ashley
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Post by ashley on Aug 2, 2020 16:49:10 GMT
One of my friends is telling me not to panic over this quite yet. She says it shows a high RNA load but not infective SARS CoV 2. Essentially it says there are large amounts of RNA in young children’s noses, but not necessarily that they transmit. She is a public health engineer currently sitting on committees making international COVID 19 policy. We have been discussing spread among children for a while. She says that the spread in children below ten years of age is slow. However, she does say that infected children do pass it on easily to people with risk factors. So though they are less likely to cause large outbreaks, they still pose a risk to older adults and those with underlying health issues. I don't understand how the camp ended up with 76% of those tested testing positive if kids didn't spread it to each other. It seems unlikely to me that all of the kids who tested positive were exposed by staff people, especially since the staff wore masks and children didn't. Sadly, we will soon have a lot of data about what happens to the family members of those kids. I'm sure high-risk parents are still going to have contact with their children. Is this the camp in Georgia with 260 infected members, and not even all were tested? I think 55% of the staff were infected — so obv not wearing masks properly, although I’ve heard masks don’t protect fully against getting it |
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Post by pudgygroundhog on Aug 2, 2020 23:56:41 GMT
Even if young kids don't spread it, you know what young kids spread? Everything else. Can you imagine what school is going to look like in the late fall/winter (if schools even make it that far) with the flu/other sicknesses on top of Covid?
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Post by hop2 on Aug 3, 2020 0:10:09 GMT
I hope they are ready to start a study here. Forcing us to go f2f with only masks for 10+ could be disastrous. How many will we sacrifice before they realize it was a bad idea. 😢😡😢😡😢😡😢😡 this is when they’ll realize: Oh, well, it’s “only” teachers. They’ve been slacking since March it’s about time they get back to work. If “everyone else” can go to work why can’t teachers? Give me my tax dollars back. Online educating is less work they should get a pay cut. If they can go to the grocery store they can go to work. Etc etc etc. *They* will never admit it is/will be a mistake because they DO NOT value teachers at all. I have read A LOT of comments on FB & other sites lately and it is truly saddening. It’s disgusting to read this stuff. ( and I’m not a teacher ) I can’t imagine how all the teachers feel, not only getting thrown under the bus but the villagers are all ranting with torches and pitchforks while throwing the teachers under the bus. |
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Post by Dixie Lou on Aug 3, 2020 0:12:55 GMT
Of course small children can spread COVID. A virus isn't age specific as far as I know.
I'm feeling frustrated and worried about school this year. I am especially worried about bringing the virus home to my 82 year old dad.
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Post by darkchami on Aug 3, 2020 2:18:34 GMT
One of my friends is telling me not to panic over this quite yet. She says it shows a high RNA load but not infective SARS CoV 2. Essentially it says there are large amounts of RNA in young children’s noses, but not necessarily that they transmit. She is a public health engineer currently sitting on committees making international COVID 19 policy. We have been discussing spread among children for a while. She says that the spread in children below ten years of age is slow. However, she does say that infected children do pass it on easily to people with risk factors. So though they are less likely to cause large outbreaks, they still pose a risk to older adults and those with underlying health issues. I don't understand how the camp ended up with 76% of those tested testing positive if kids didn't spread it to each other. It seems unlikely to me that all of the kids who tested positive were exposed by staff people, especially since the staff wore masks and children didn't. Sadly, we will soon have a lot of data about what happens to the family members of those kids. I'm sure high-risk parents are still going to have contact with their children. She would say that if you don’t take precautions and do everything wrong, it’s going to spread. If you don’t practice social distancing and don’t wear masks, it’s going to spread. Personally, I don’t think we are anywhere near being able to open up schools. With our current rate of community spread, it’s almost a guarantee that someone would be walking into the building infected on day 1. She has an interesting plan for opening schools. However, it is based upon low community spread. Most of the country doesn’t qualify. |
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Post by darkchami on Aug 3, 2020 5:05:45 GMT
One of my friends is telling me not to panic over this quite yet. She says it shows a high RNA load but not infective SARS CoV 2. Essentially it says there are large amounts of RNA in young children’s noses, but not necessarily that they transmit. She is a public health engineer currently sitting on committees making international COVID 19 policy. We have been discussing spread among children for a while. She says that the spread in children below ten years of age is slow. However, she does say that infected children do pass it on easily to people with risk factors. So though they are less likely to cause large outbreaks, they still pose a risk to older adults and those with underlying health issues. But how many kids are actually getting tested? How many are asymptomatic and not getting tested to actually KNOW how many potentially could have it? She’s going through something like 105,000 manuscripts and scientific articles right now. (She has a team doing it.) Other countries did a better job of testing, tracing, and documenting than we have. I have the same reservations you have. It’s just hard to dispute the global evidence she is seeing. I tend to err on the side of caution. I know that what the science tells us now may be different in a month or two. |
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Post by *KAS* on Aug 3, 2020 19:49:17 GMT
Kids around here have been in camps, and playing in baseball tournaments for the last couple of months. They go back to class in my county in 2 days. (I think they said 25% opted for online). I don’t have kids so I’m just an observer. My boss’s kid is in elementary in my county so I learn a lot of it from her and local news. Are you in Georgia? The peach makes me think so... This news was making the rounds in my teacher groups yesterday: A sleep away camp in Georgia has had a pretty significant outbreak— 260 positive cases among both kids and adults. The actual number could be higher—not everyone was tested. 76% of those tested were positive. The staff was wearing masks, the kids were not. And they did not open any windows for ventilation. That does not make me feel better—my kids will not be wearing masks and my (one) window does not open. www.cnn.com/2020/07/31/health/georgia-camp-coronavirus-outbreak-cdc-trnd/index.htmlInterestingly, a higher percentage of the youngest children tested positive: 51% among those age 6-10 years, 44% among those age 11-17 years, and 33% among those aged 18-21 years tested positive. "This investigation adds to the body of evidence demonstrating that children of all ages are susceptible to SARS-CoV-2 infection and, contrary to early reports, might play an important role in transmission," the study authors wrote. CDC Report: www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6931e1.htmYes, in Georgia. And yes, that was a camp here in North Georgia back in June I believe. |
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Post by *KAS* on Aug 3, 2020 19:50:49 GMT
Kids around here have been in camps, and playing in baseball tournaments for the last couple of months. They go back to class in my county in 2 days. (I think they said 25% opted for online). I don’t have kids so I’m just an observer. My boss’s kid is in elementary in my county so I learn a lot of it from her and local news. How are the numbers in your area? Kids around here have been playing, church groups, county fairs etc. I am surprised nothing has happened so far, which is great!!Our numbers aren't horrible although we gained about 110 in July up from just about 35 from March- June. The states that kept their numbers low at first seem to have gained. I wonder if cities will see the same. It's changing here. I'm in Georgia, and cases are pretty bad here. My particular county is one of the 'best' for lowest cases, but our state overall is not good. But kids absolutely went back to school today. I know it was a tough decision for a lot of parents to do what was best for their families. A decision I don't envy. |
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