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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2020 16:16:13 GMT
I took note of this heritage crap about 5 years ago. When it was being floated around that Christians are being discriminated against and attempted to be eliminated, I was floored. Same with white people. PLEASEEEEEEEEE.
Not to make it political, but DJT has stirred the pot on this one. Unbelievable since he never went to a Catholic church regularly (or ever!!), his pro-abortion stance is still out there on the internet, and everything said post 2015 is a lie. The only truth is that he has been racist his entire life.
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Post by freecharlie on Aug 3, 2020 16:21:59 GMT
But I’m still thinking they are thinking like prayer back in schools, morals, value sort of thing. And what morals do those GOP in DC and elsewhere have....... Bible belt highest teen pregnancy, no regard for other races... Their prayer isn't teaching them much.... Watch them misquote to Bible frequently........ they are looking at their "ideal" Prayer in school People going to church Helping neighbors (just not through taxes) Living in their bubble where only things they agree with and understand exist Hard work- often manual labor, but the right kind in their minds (oil and gas, electrical, plumber, farmer, mechanic...) Staying quiet and keeping the status quo they want. |
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Aug 3, 2020 16:45:02 GMT
Nah, you’re all wrong.
They’re art aficionados. They want to preserve our cultural heritage.
They have a keen appreciation for early 20th century statues.
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Post by cindyupnorth on Aug 3, 2020 16:46:57 GMT
I don't think racist when I hear the word "heritage". I think of history, tradition, beliefs, values. I would assume the sign meant "help us preserve those values of love of country, patriotism, respect, etc. that helped make this country." But I'm not in the South, if that's where the sign was posted. I totally agree with this. Esp with the area in MN it's at. |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Aug 3, 2020 17:09:52 GMT
Very true. I agree with you. But I’m still thinking they are thinking like prayer back in schools, morals, value sort of thing. It would also help to know the age of the people with the sign. I could very well be wrong. The signs were pretty prevalent there. About 9 out of 10 times that I saw the other signs for republican candidates the people also had this one. IMO, the people are idiots. Either because they don’t see that this could be taken as racist (especially in an area with a new, diverse population) or because they truly did mean what it sounds like—a dog whistle for all of the issues that were listed earlier. Even if they said “protect our values” instead of “heritage” I would have rolled my eyes but wouldn’t have had the same visceral reaction that I did when I saw those. |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Aug 3, 2020 17:11:08 GMT
I don't think racist when I hear the word "heritage". I think of history, tradition, beliefs, values. I would assume the sign meant "help us preserve those values of love of country, patriotism, respect, etc. that helped make this country." But I'm not in the South, if that's where the sign was posted. This is in MN. But there are racist people here, too. Especially in small towns where they feel that they are being overtaken by minorities coming there to work. |
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Post by ~summer~ on Aug 3, 2020 17:13:59 GMT
What “values” would this refer to?
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Post by maryland on Aug 3, 2020 17:23:58 GMT
I am a Republican, but more like Pres. Bush Republican, not current Republicans. The signs sound very racist to me. I hate so many of the signs and bumper stickers I see now that are so racist and anti women.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Aug 3, 2020 17:29:33 GMT
I have a coworker who lives in that area and I asked her about the signs. She said that there is a large group of confederate flag, gun loving people in that area and they are clinging to their “first amendment rights”. But there are more people speaking up and having conversations so hopefully people are listening and engaging.
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Post by cindyupnorth on Aug 3, 2020 17:30:55 GMT
The signs were pretty prevalent there. About 9 out of 10 times that I saw the other signs for republican candidates the people also had this one. IMO, the people are idiots. Either because they don’t see that this could be taken as racist (especially in an area with a new, diverse population) or because they truly did mean what it sounds like—a dog whistle for all of the issues that were listed earlier. Even if they said “protect our values” instead of “heritage” I would have rolled my eyes but wouldn’t have had the same visceral reaction that I did when I saw those. I havn't seen any of them up here. It's probably only a matter of time. Just Trump 2020 ones. |
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Post by cindyupnorth on Aug 3, 2020 17:32:27 GMT
I have a coworker who lives in that area and I asked her about the signs. She said that there is a large group of confederate flag, gun loving people in that area and they are clinging to their “first amendment rights”. But there are more people speaking up and having conversations so hopefully people are listening and engaging. awww. that makes sense to. The big family deer hunting camps, where generations go, handed down over generation to generation. |
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Post by sabrinae on Aug 3, 2020 17:47:57 GMT
I don't think racist when I hear the word "heritage". I think of history, tradition, beliefs, values. I would assume the sign meant "help us preserve those values of love of country, patriotism, respect, etc. that helped make this country." But I'm not in the South, if that's where the sign was posted. I totally agree with this. Esp with the area in MN it's at. But what history, tradition and values. Normally that’s referring to white, patriarchal, LGBTQ need to go back into the closet and POC need to shut up culture and values is what they’re referring to. They want to go back to when the only voices heard were male, white, and conservative. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2020 17:51:35 GMT
It's up there with the sign I pass regularly that says "vote biblically." Yeah, no. The Bible has no place in our laws.
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Post by freecharlie on Aug 3, 2020 17:57:38 GMT
I totally agree with this. Esp with the area in MN it's at. But what history, tradition and values. Normally that’s referring to white, patriarchal, LGBTQ need to go back into the closet and POC need to shut up culture and values is what they’re referring to. They want to go back to when the only voices heard were male, white, and conservative. The history, tradition, and values that they grew up with. The things they feel are threatened. Religion- they want God back in schools and back in daily life. They view religion as good and wholesome and the glue that holds their worlds together. they think of the church and town potlucks. Owning and shooting guns both at the range, in the wilderness, and while hunting. Back when "Afternoon Delight" and "Wake Up Little Suzy" were considered risque and "Baby It's Cold Outside" wasn't questioned with today's climate but looked at as a fun song. The teachings of the nursery rhymes and bible stories, and a cultural literacy that connects people. Pancake breakfasts with the town and town fairs and dances. Barn raising and helping with other's animals. Sometimes it is less about what people think it is and more about looking at the past they are missing as they grow older. |
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Post by cindyupnorth on Aug 3, 2020 18:13:46 GMT
But what history, tradition and values. Normally that’s referring to white, patriarchal, LGBTQ need to go back into the closet and POC need to shut up culture and values is what they’re referring to. They want to go back to when the only voices heard were male, white, and conservative. exactly what freecharlie said. plus no social media, kids on phones all the time, deer hunting camps, etc. |
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Post by sabrinae on Aug 3, 2020 18:29:10 GMT
But what history, tradition and values. Normally that’s referring to white, patriarchal, LGBTQ need to go back into the closet and POC need to shut up culture and values is what they’re referring to. They want to go back to when the only voices heard were male, white, and conservative. The history, tradition, and values that they grew up with. The things they feel are threatened. Religion- they want God back in schools and back in daily life. They view religion as good and wholesome and the glue that holds their worlds together. they think of the church and town potlucks. Owning and shooting guns both at the range, in the wilderness, and while hunting. Back when "Afternoon Delight" and "Wake Up Little Suzy" were considered risque and "Baby It's Cold Outside" wasn't questioned with today's climate but looked at as a fun song. The teachings of the nursery rhymes and bible stories, and a cultural literacy that connects people. Pancake breakfasts with the town and town fairs and dances. Barn raising and helping with other's animals. Sometimes it is less about what people think it is and more about looking at the past they are missing as they grow older. I get it. I grew up in and still live in Appalachia. But underlying all of that is racism, patriarchy, and “people need to stay in their places.” I was on the receiving end of a lot of that “culture” when I went to law school and again when I returned to practice law where I grew up. I got a whole lot of what are you doing, you should be having babies; why are you wasting time and money going to law school. I was all of 21 years old at the time. |
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Post by hop2 on Aug 3, 2020 18:31:17 GMT
Nah, you’re all wrong. They’re art aficionados. They want to preserve our cultural heritage. They have a keen appreciation for early 20th century statues. oh, so you think they are aficionados of Augusta Savage’s & Edmonia Lewis’ work?  . You really think? Then they should particularly love Edmonia Lewis’ sculpture of the bust of Col. Robert Gould Shaw civil war union soldier. I actually really like her bust of Lincoln. |
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Post by ginacivey on Aug 3, 2020 18:38:04 GMT
While I definitely think racist, in my area it is less about race and more about what they consider to be conservative values. God, oil and gas, anti-democrat/liberal anti Califonia There are so few minorities in my rural area that the racist aspect, while there would be low on the list I agree with all of this. I could see this reasoning in my area. my area as well |
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Aug 3, 2020 18:43:27 GMT
But what history, tradition and values. Normally that’s referring to white, patriarchal, LGBTQ need to go back into the closet and POC need to shut up culture and values is what they’re referring to. They want to go back to when the only voices heard were male, white, and conservative. The history, tradition, and values that they grew up with. The things they feel are threatened. Religion- they want God back in schools and back in daily life. They view religion as good and wholesome and the glue that holds their worlds together. they think of the church and town potlucks. Owning and shooting guns both at the range, in the wilderness, and while hunting. Back when "Afternoon Delight" and "Wake Up Little Suzy" were considered risque and "Baby It's Cold Outside" wasn't questioned with today's climate but looked at as a fun song. The teachings of the nursery rhymes and bible stories, and a cultural literacy that connects people. Pancake breakfasts with the town and town fairs and dances. Barn raising and helping with other's animals. Sometimes it is less about what people think it is and more about looking at the past they are missing as they grow older. sometimes (MOST of the time, IMO) this 'nostalgia for the past' is for the 1950s television past, that wasn't actually reality. Hell- the 1950s shows we all look 'fondly' on (or laugh at) now like Leave it to Beaver, Donna Reed, etc. were made to 'push' the idea that 'mom belonged in the home raising the kids' to get her out of the workplace, so the returning servicemen could get their jobs back. Alongside the pancake breakfasts and barn raisings were also 'women were paid less than men' (IF they were allowed to work, that is); Christian values everywhere (but God help you if you were gay, a closet athiest, or a -gasp- Muslim or something else that most people wouldn't give the time of day, let alone try to understand)... "history" that ignored LOTS of the 'bad' stuff that put us in a bad light even though slavery and colonialism was essential to the founding and success of this country; history that really was "HIS" story, ignoring the contributions of most everyone non-white and non-penis owning, etc. etc. etc. People can STILL have church or town potlucks. People can still have cultural literacy and connections. We just want to have them while acknowledging the fact that our history is messy, 50,000 shades of gray, and written by the 'winners' instead of being black and white (pun intended) like people remember it- or DON'T actually remember it, but wish that's what it was like. I see that 'heritage' stuff as being racist and patriarchal. If the person who posted the sign doesn't consciously see it, it's still there unconsciously. |
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Post by scrappintoee on Aug 3, 2020 18:56:07 GMT
I vote racist. You do not have to live with/near people different from yourself to be racist. Some of the biggest racists I have ever met also have never worked or lived by POC. I worked with a woman who voted for Trump solely due to his racism toward Hispanics. I can still remember her telling me, "I've never met one and I will do whatever it takes to make sure I never do."Wowww.....I'm white, and my DH is of Mexican *AMERICAN* descent, and that makes me SO sad!  She'll do WHATEVER IT TAKES, and even if it was just to MEET "one", huh? It's not as though they'd have to be friends, but she couldn't handle just MEETING "one" (I love how she refers to a human being as "ONE"---ugh!  ) I hope she never meets my DH with his 2 Bachelor's Degrees, 2 Master's Degrees, a very prestigious career, and is a very kind and good human being. I hope she wouldn't be too disgusted or afraid of him! What did Trump say about Mexicans again? |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Aug 3, 2020 19:04:16 GMT
But what history, tradition and values. Normally that’s referring to white, patriarchal, LGBTQ need to go back into the closet and POC need to shut up culture and values is what they’re referring to. They want to go back to when the only voices heard were male, white, and conservative. The history, tradition, and values that they grew up with. The things they feel are threatened. Religion- they want God back in schools and back in daily life. They view religion as good and wholesome and the glue that holds their worlds together. they think of the church and town potlucks. Owning and shooting guns both at the range, in the wilderness, and while hunting. Back when "Afternoon Delight" and "Wake Up Little Suzy" were considered risque and "Baby It's Cold Outside" wasn't questioned with today's climate but looked at as a fun song. The teachings of the nursery rhymes and bible stories, and a cultural literacy that connects people. Pancake breakfasts with the town and town fairs and dances. Barn raising and helping with other's animals. Sometimes it is less about what people think it is and more about looking at the past they are missing as they grow older. But what history, tradition and values. Normally that’s referring to white, patriarchal, LGBTQ need to go back into the closet and POC need to shut up culture and values is what they’re referring to. They want to go back to when the only voices heard were male, white, and conservative. The history, tradition, and values that they grew up with. The things they feel are threatened. Religion- they want God back in schools and back in daily life. They view religion as good and wholesome and the glue that holds their worlds together. they think of the church and town potlucks. Owning and shooting guns both at the range, in the wilderness, and while hunting. Back when "Afternoon Delight" and "Wake Up Little Suzy" were considered risque and "Baby It's Cold Outside" wasn't questioned with today's climate but looked at as a fun song. The teachings of the nursery rhymes and bible stories, and a cultural literacy that connects people. Pancake breakfasts with the town and town fairs and dances. Barn raising and helping with other's animals. Sometimes it is less about what people think it is and more about looking at the past they are missing as they grow older. That sounds quaint and idealistic but at the heart of it is still racism and keeping any change out. Change being immigration, rights for women, minorities and people who varying gender and sexual identities. I would ask what republicans are going to do to preserve that heritage? Then you get your answer as to their real intent. Republicans will vote to keep immigrants out, vote against human rights for all, etc. |
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Post by MaryMary on Aug 3, 2020 19:09:49 GMT
“Protecting our heritage” talk is super cringe-worthy to me. I view it as code for “I liked it better when we could own people.”.
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Post by cindyupnorth on Aug 3, 2020 19:17:51 GMT
“Protecting our heritage” talk is super cringe-worthy to me. I view it as code for “I liked it better when we could own people.”. I really don't think that was the intent,,the owning part. It's MN. It's not the south. It certainly has threads of racism of course, and against women's rights, and all the stuff in the past. Of course people look at the past with rose colored glasses, a simplier time. Even though for many it wasn't. but again, think country farm life in MN. |
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Post by smcast on Aug 3, 2020 20:51:36 GMT
These signs are apparently in my town and people were asking what they mean on a town fb page. Who knows? Bad choice of word and many interpretations. I don't have an answer. My town has a large Native American population and some have this sign in their yard.
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Post by elaine on Aug 3, 2020 21:26:07 GMT
“Protecting our heritage” talk is super cringe-worthy to me. I view it as code for “I liked it better when we could own people.”. I really don't think that was the intent,,the owning part. It's MN. It's not the south. It certainly has threads of racism of course, and against women's rights, and all the stuff in the past. Of course people look at the past with rose colored glasses, a simplier time. Even though for many it wasn't. but again, think country farm life in MN. Okay. But then explain to me how voting Republican is going to bring some idealized version of farm life back that voting for Democrats won’t? Just because people declare something isn’t racist/misogynistic/homophobic doesn’t make it so. It reminds of how when even people on 2Peas used to talk about “jewing people down” at yard sales, and were gobsmacked when told that it was an anti-Semitic phrase. To them, it was a synonym for bargaining. Just because they weren’t aware of the utter offensiveness of the phrase didn’t/doesn’t make it any less so. Just because people claim innocence regarding of the dog whistle nature of the wording of that sign, doesn’t make it any less so. No one is stopping the sign posters from attending church, hunting, ice fishing, barn raising, being patriotic or any of the other activities that sign idealistically represents. But there is something sinister in implying that voting a certain way will impose these values (and the true underlying “values” the people who printed and distributed these signs intended) on everyone else. |
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Post by freecharlie on Aug 3, 2020 21:35:49 GMT
I really don't think that was the intent,,the owning part. It's MN. It's not the south. It certainly has threads of racism of course, and against women's rights, and all the stuff in the past. Of course people look at the past with rose colored glasses, a simplier time. Even though for many it wasn't. but again, think country farm life in MN. Okay. But then explain to me how voting Republican is going to bring some idealized version of farm life back that voting for Democrats won’t? Just because people declare something isn’t racist/misogynistic/homophobic doesn’t make it so. It reminds of how when even people on 2Peas used to talk about “jewing people down” at yard sales, and were gobsmacked when told that it was an anti-Semitic phrase. To them, it was a synonym for bargaining. Just because they weren’t aware of the utter offensiveness of the phrase didn’t/doesn’t make it any less so. Just because people claim innocence regarding of the dog whistle nature of the wording of that sign, doesn’t make it any less so. No one is stopping the sign posters from attending church, hunting, ice fishing, barn raising, being patriotic or any of the other activities that sign idealistically represents. But there is something sinister in implying that voting a certain way will impose these values (and the true underlying “values” the people who printed and distributed these signs intended) on everyone else. because just because it is code for something for one person, doesn't make it widespread. I'm not saying that the Republicans around here aren't racist. I'm also not willing to say they all are. Here, the people voting republican care about the following things more than most and many are one or two issue voters: The highest issues around me are Support of the 2nd amendment Support of oil and gas, farms, and other local businesses Are pro-life Very much claim to be Christian, go to church, and pray In addition, they don't want to be told what to do Voting for a democrat means: Taking of your guns Regulations that would choke the economy Allowing babies to be killed up until birth Allowing Muslims to take over and lead us toward Sharia law Indoctrination the children Believing science rather than God And so much more |
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Post by cindyupnorth on Aug 3, 2020 21:40:45 GMT
Okay. But then explain to me how voting Republican is going to bring some idealized version of farm life back that voting for Democrats won’t? Just because people declare something isn’t racist/misogynistic/homophobic doesn’t make it so. It reminds of how when even people on 2Peas used to talk about “jewing people down” at yard sales, and were gobsmacked when told that it was an anti-Semitic phrase. To them, it was a synonym for bargaining. Just because they weren’t aware of the utter offensiveness of the phrase didn’t/doesn’t make it any less so. Just because people claim innocence regarding of the dog whistle nature of the wording of that sign, doesn’t make it any less so. No one is stopping the sign posters from attending church, hunting, ice fishing, barn raising, being patriotic or any of the other activities that sign idealistically represents. But there is something sinister in implying that voting a certain way will impose these values (and the true underlying “values” the people who printed and distributed these signs intended) on everyone else. What freecharlie said above. Also you could say that of anything political. I'm just saying what I believe that area of MN believes in. Like Free said. Could some other area of the USA interpret it differently? sure! could maybe one of those people putting that sign up be racist? Oooh, for sure. We could read in to almost anything. |
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Post by elaine on Aug 3, 2020 21:41:31 GMT
Okay. But then explain to me how voting Republican is going to bring some idealized version of farm life back that voting for Democrats won’t? Just because people declare something isn’t racist/misogynistic/homophobic doesn’t make it so. It reminds of how when even people on 2Peas used to talk about “jewing people down” at yard sales, and were gobsmacked when told that it was an anti-Semitic phrase. To them, it was a synonym for bargaining. Just because they weren’t aware of the utter offensiveness of the phrase didn’t/doesn’t make it any less so. Just because people claim innocence regarding of the dog whistle nature of the wording of that sign, doesn’t make it any less so. No one is stopping the sign posters from attending church, hunting, ice fishing, barn raising, being patriotic or any of the other activities that sign idealistically represents. But there is something sinister in implying that voting a certain way will impose these values (and the true underlying “values” the people who printed and distributed these signs intended) on everyone else. because just because it is code for something for one person, doesn't make it widespread. I'm not saying that the Republicans around here aren't racist. I'm also not willing to say they all are. Here, the people voting republican care about the following things more than most and many are one or two issue voters: The highest issues around me are Support of the 2nd amendment Support of oil and gas, farms, and other local businesses Are pro-life Very much claim to be Christian, go to church, and pray In addition, they don't want to be told what to do Voting for a democrat means: Taking of your guns Regulations that would choke the economy Allowing babies to be killed up until birth Allowing Muslims to take over and lead us toward Sharia law Indoctrination the children Believing science rather than God And so much more Yeah, and ALL of that is offensive. And if they really believe all that about Democrats, then it blows to shit the whole notion that the original sign is some innocent “let’s all have potlucks” bull. What you just said that they all believe about Democrats and why they put those signs in their yards means they are very well aware of and support the dog whistles in the signs. |
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Post by lucyg on Aug 3, 2020 22:20:24 GMT
“Protect our heritage” means exactly one thing these days ... continue to allow us to display the Confederate flag and maintain Confederate statues in public places.
If that’s not what these people mean, at the very least, they couldn’t care less about being associated with those Confederate humpers.
And if they “don’t know” about the Confederate/“heritage” issues going on right now, it’s because they’ve chosen not to know.
I am not impressed.
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Post by cindyupnorth on Aug 3, 2020 23:09:32 GMT
“Protect our heritage” means exactly one thing these days ... continue to allow us to display the Confederate flag and maintain Confederate statues in public places. If that’s not what these people mean, at the very least, they couldn’t care less about being associated with those Confederate humpers. And if they “don’t know” about the Confederate/“heritage” issues going on right now, it’s because they’ve chosen not to know. I am not impressed. If this sign was up in the south I would agree with you, but the confederate flag isn't a part of MN heritage. |
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She'll do WHATEVER IT TAKES, and even if it was just to MEET "one", huh? It's not as though they'd have to be friends, but she couldn't handle just MEETING "one" (I love how she refers to a human being as "ONE"---ugh! 
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