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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2020 22:45:59 GMT
Three months from today is the election.  trump is vehemently opposed to mail-in voting. I don’t know if he said this in news briefing today, or somewhere else. But if he did say it... Jeff Mason - Reuters. ”Trump says he has a right to do an executive order with regard to mail-in voting but hasn’t gotten to that yet” Can you imagine what would happen if he did sign an EO banning all mail-in voting? All hell would break lose. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2020 22:48:43 GMT
If there was mass mail in voting and Trump won would you believe that it was fair?
Edited to add: I can't get my regular mail delivered correctly on a daily basis and there is at least one thread here that everyone is advising that there are massive delays in US mail delivery because of COVID and other problems with the post office. I'm not afraid of mail in voting but the USPS is incompetent and ineffective and there is no way I trust them to do the job.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2020 22:49:43 GMT
Apparently he did say it.
Reuters...
”WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump said on Monday that he has the right to issue an executive order on mail-in voting but hasn’t gotten to it yet, and he vowed to sue Nevada over a new law that would send mail-in ballots to every voter ahead of the November presidential election.
The remarks come as Trump has sought to stoke fears of voter fraud stemming from mail-in balloting, an option that some states see as a useful way to allow citizens to vote amid the surging coronavirus pandemic.”
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Post by myshelly on Aug 3, 2020 22:52:17 GMT
If there was mass mail in voting and Trump won would you believe that it was fair? Edited to add: I can't get my regular mail delivered correctly on a daily basis and there is at least one thread here that everyone is advising that there are massive delays in US mail delivery because of COVID and other problems with the post office. I'm not afraid of mail in voting but the USPS is incompetent and ineffective and there is no way I trust them to do the job. I’m not at all pro Trump and I agree with this. I don’t trust USPS with my mail, why would I trust them with my vote? I’ve never had reliable mail service at my current address (lived here for 15 years). |
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Post by jlynnbarth on Aug 3, 2020 23:07:55 GMT
I understand if your state hasn't been doing mail in ballots and they are scattering to make it happen this time, that it would be sketchy the first go round, but I'm in Washington State where it's all mail in voting and I think it's fine. There is a web site that you can track your ballot. We have an election tomorrow for Governor and other positions in the state and locally. I just checked my ballot and they mailed it to me on 7-15 They received it back on 7-31 and it has been accepted (they check the signature on the outside envelope). One year my dd and I were doing our ballots and they didn't accept ours because one of us accidentally picked up the others envelopes and used them. They didn't accept them because the signatures didn't match what was on file. We went to the voters place near us, told them what happened and we were allowed to re-vote and those were accepted. I just think it's not as scary as everyone is making it out to be.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Aug 3, 2020 23:11:41 GMT
If there was mass mail in voting and Trump won would you believe that it was fair? Edited to add: I can't get my regular mail delivered correctly on a daily basis and there is at least one thread here that everyone is advising that there are massive delays in US mail delivery because of COVID and other problems with the post office. I'm not afraid of mail in voting but the USPS is incompetent and ineffective and there is no way I trust them to do the job. I’m not at all pro Trump and I agree with this. I don’t trust USPS with my mail, why would I trust them with my vote? I’ve never had reliable mail service at my current address (lived here for 15 years). I've done mail-in early balloting for YEARS, and I think a LOT of people like me in ALL the states that have allowed it for YEARS would raise HOLY HELL if DT tries to say NOW that it's not good. It's not all about you... your mail service is bad? then FIX IT! don't punish the rest of us who HAVE good mail service, and have been using these things (mail-in ballots) for YEARS ALREADY. eta: how exactly do you know your mail service isn't reliable, anyway? what proof do you have that your issues (whatever they are) are caused by the USPS? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2020 23:11:59 GMT
I understand if your state hasn't been doing mail in ballots and they are scattering to make it happen this time, that it would be sketchy the first go round, but I'm in Washington State where it's all mail in voting and I think it's fine. There is a web site that you can track your ballot. We have an election tomorrow for Governor and other positions in the state and locally. I just checked my ballot and they mailed it to me on 7-15 They received it back on 7-31 and it has been accepted (they check the signature on the outside envelope). One year my dd and I were doing our ballots and they didn't accept ours because one of us accidentally picked up the others envelopes and used them. They didn't accept them because the signatures didn't match what was on file. We went to the voters place near us, told them what happened and we were allowed to re-vote and those were accepted. I just think it's not as scary as everyone is making it out to be. So how does this happen througout the country within less than 90 days? Some early voting starts next month. I'm not against alternate types of votings. But with all the chaos going on right now and the short time frame, there is no way that this can realistically happen by November. |
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Post by gizzy on Aug 3, 2020 23:14:00 GMT
He's been working on this strategy for awhile now. His friend, Louis Dejoy, was named the new postmaster general in May.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2020 23:17:44 GMT
Ari Berman....
”FACTS about voting:
1. Trump can't ban mail voting through executive order. States run elections
2. "Absentee" & "mail-in" voting are same thing
3. Only 143 criminal convictions for mail ballot fraud over 20 years (.00006% total votes)
4. 16 top Trump officials voted by mail”
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2020 23:18:51 GMT
Ari Berman.... ”FACTS about voting: 1. Trump can't ban mail voting through executive order. States run elections 2. "Absentee" & "mail-in" voting are same thing 3. Only 143 criminal convictions for mail ballot fraud over 20 years (.00006% total votes) 4. 16 top Trump officials voted by mail” Absentee and mail in are not the same thing. States that do not have mail in still offer absentee. |
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Aug 3, 2020 23:19:24 GMT
Ari Berman.... ”FACTS about voting: 1. Trump can't ban mail voting through executive order. States run elections 2. "Absentee" & "mail-in" voting are same thing 3. Only 143 criminal convictions for mail ballot fraud over 20 years (.00006% total votes) 4. 16 top Trump officials voted by mail” thank you for posting this. DT can go jump in a lake (perhaps the water will make him melt, a la Wizard of Oz) |
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Post by jlynnbarth on Aug 3, 2020 23:25:23 GMT
I understand if your state hasn't been doing mail in ballots and they are scattering to make it happen this time, that it would be sketchy the first go round, but I'm in Washington State where it's all mail in voting and I think it's fine. There is a web site that you can track your ballot. We have an election tomorrow for Governor and other positions in the state and locally. I just checked my ballot and they mailed it to me on 7-15 They received it back on 7-31 and it has been accepted (they check the signature on the outside envelope). One year my dd and I were doing our ballots and they didn't accept ours because one of us accidentally picked up the others envelopes and used them. They didn't accept them because the signatures didn't match what was on file. We went to the voters place near us, told them what happened and we were allowed to re-vote and those were accepted. I just think it's not as scary as everyone is making it out to be. So how does this happen througout the country within less than 90 days? Some early voting starts next month. I'm not against alternate types of votings. But with all the chaos going on right now and the short time frame, there is no way that this can realistically happen by November. I don't know, that's why the very first thing I said was "I understand if your state hasn't been doing mail in ballots and they are scattering to make it happen this time that it would be sketchy". I get it! I'd be flipping out too. What I don't understand is the people that are completely against it EVER. I don't understand the fear. Ballots can be messed with in any situation. I lived in Ca. for years before moving here and there was just as great a chance of a ballot box worker throwing my ballot out (or whatever the fraud) as there is mailing it in. We also don't have to mail them in. We can take them to drop boxes or to the voter registration location and hand it in. I just don't understand the fear. |
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Post by freecharlie on Aug 3, 2020 23:26:05 GMT
I understand if your state hasn't been doing mail in ballots and they are scattering to make it happen this time, that it would be sketchy the first go round, but I'm in Washington State where it's all mail in voting and I think it's fine. There is a web site that you can track your ballot. We have an election tomorrow for Governor and other positions in the state and locally. I just checked my ballot and they mailed it to me on 7-15 They received it back on 7-31 and it has been accepted (they check the signature on the outside envelope). One year my dd and I were doing our ballots and they didn't accept ours because one of us accidentally picked up the others envelopes and used them. They didn't accept them because the signatures didn't match what was on file. We went to the voters place near us, told them what happened and we were allowed to re-vote and those were accepted. I just think it's not as scary as everyone is making it out to be. So how does this happen througout the country within less than 90 days? Some early voting starts next month. I'm not against alternate types of votings. But with all the chaos going on right now and the short time frame, there is no way that this can realistically happen by November. where the hell does early voting start in September??? |
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Post by tracylynn on Aug 3, 2020 23:27:35 GMT
Ari Berman.... ”FACTS about voting: 1. Trump can't ban mail voting through executive order. States run elections 2. "Absentee" & "mail-in" voting are same thing 3. Only 143 criminal convictions for mail ballot fraud over 20 years (.00006% total votes) 4. 16 top Trump officials voted by mail” Absentee and mail in are not the same thing. States that do not have mail in still offer absentee. I think what she means is the intent is the same. You MAIL IN your absentee ballot. Same thing. It essentially is the same thing. |
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Post by sabrinae on Aug 3, 2020 23:28:58 GMT
If there was mass mail in voting and Trump won would you believe that it was fair? Edited to add: I can't get my regular mail delivered correctly on a daily basis and there is at least one thread here that everyone is advising that there are massive delays in US mail delivery because of COVID and other problems with the post office. I'm not afraid of mail in voting but the USPS is incompetent and ineffective and there is no way I trust them to do the job. Many of the current delays can be traced to Trumps administration. He put one of his donor buddies in as Postmaster General. He has purposefully slowed down the delivery of mail. The post office has had problems — Trump is intentionally making them worse. Several states have successfully done mail in ballots. It’s not impossible and is as safe as in person voting — unless Trump and his administration purposefully sabotage it. |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Aug 3, 2020 23:29:09 GMT
I trusted the PO until last week when I read more here about the guy running the Post Office now, including his connection to Trump and his interests in PO competitors. That, along with Trump going on and on about how he doesn't want mail in voting and saying it will lead to a mess, makes me suspicious. I wouldn't put it past Trump to purposely do something to create said chaos. So, I guess I would say that if Trump won a largely mail in vote, no, I wouldn't trust it. I am actually surprised that Trump isn't allowing the mail in vote while talking poorly about the process so that if he loses he can blame that and use it as a way to drag things out.
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Post by freecharlie on Aug 3, 2020 23:31:20 GMT
I understand if your state hasn't been doing mail in ballots and they are scattering to make it happen this time, that it would be sketchy the first go round, but I'm in Washington State where it's all mail in voting and I think it's fine. There is a web site that you can track your ballot. We have an election tomorrow for Governor and other positions in the state and locally. I just checked my ballot and they mailed it to me on 7-15 They received it back on 7-31 and it has been accepted (they check the signature on the outside envelope). One year my dd and I were doing our ballots and they didn't accept ours because one of us accidentally picked up the others envelopes and used them. They didn't accept them because the signatures didn't match what was on file. We went to the voters place near us, told them what happened and we were allowed to re-vote and those were accepted. I just think it's not as scary as everyone is making it out to be. So how does this happen througout the country within less than 90 days? Some early voting starts next month. I'm not against alternate types of votings. But with all the chaos going on right now and the short time frame, there is no way that this can realistically happen by November. then allow ballot boxes and people to be able to drop off their ballots or have friends take them. I'm sorry, but it isn't like they are inventing or even reinventing the wheel. ALL states have absentee voting so they have something in place. Mail out ballots to all registered voters. Use existing tracking software to allow people to check to make sure their vote is logged Use signatures to cross check ballots |
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Post by tentoes on Aug 3, 2020 23:51:12 GMT
If there was mass mail in voting and Trump won would you believe that it was fair? Edited to add: I can't get my regular mail delivered correctly on a daily basis and there is at least one thread here that everyone is advising that there are massive delays in US mail delivery because of COVID and other problems with the post office. I'm not afraid of mail in voting but the USPS is incompetent and ineffective and there is no way I trust them to do the job. The mail delivery at my house is atrocious. I belong to the USPS informed delivery service, and at least 4 times a week things are posted in that email that I don't receive. Two things that didn't get here were checks that totaled over 3,000. I had to contact the source, stop payment on the checks, have them reissued, and then one of them didn't get here again. So no, I don't have much faith in mail in votes. (this all happened this past month. |
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Post by myshelly on Aug 3, 2020 23:52:41 GMT
I’m not at all pro Trump and I agree with this. I don’t trust USPS with my mail, why would I trust them with my vote? I’ve never had reliable mail service at my current address (lived here for 15 years). I've done mail-in early balloting for YEARS, and I think a LOT of people like me in ALL the states that have allowed it for YEARS would raise HOLY HELL if DT tries to say NOW that it's not good. It's not all about you... your mail service is bad? then FIX IT! don't punish the rest of us who HAVE good mail service, and have been using these things (mail-in ballots) for YEARS ALREADY. eta: how exactly do you know your mail service isn't reliable, anyway? what proof do you have that your issues (whatever they are) are caused by the USPS? The proof I have is that more than 50% of the mail that gets put in my mailbox doesn’t belong to me. Is that enough? The proof I have is our lazy ass mail woman refusing to deliver packages to my house because she doesn’t want to get out of her truck when anyone orders a package. She flat out tells people “I will fall on your property and sue you if you complain that I won’t deliver your packages.” I can’t shop with any online retailers that use USPS anymore. Those of us who live in states that don’t allow mail in voting are suspicious of mail in voting 🤷🏻♀️ |
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Aug 3, 2020 23:55:57 GMT
The proof I have is our lazy ass mail woman refusing to deliver packages to my house because she doesn’t want to get out of her truck when anyone orders a package. She flat out tells people “I will fall on your property and sue you if you complain that I won’t deliver your packages.” is she a USPS employee, or is she some sort of contractor they use? What does she do with packages that you order, then? Can you switch to a PO box?? For all of these issues, I would be complaining about your service to the USPS, not complaining to us here. (And the fact that you get someone else's mail is *technically* a problem for THEM, not for YOU. For all you know from what you've said, you DO get every piece of your mail.) I see no point in not trying to get someone to fix the ROOT CAUSE of YOUR problem, not make a different problem by not allowing mail-in voting. (I guess I've worked in Quality too long, and see everything thru a corrective / preventive action lens.) You can go stand in line and vote if you want, and if YOU distrust mail-in voting-- that's fine; have at it. But why would you not want someone ELSE in your state to use that service if they want to, and they believe that FOR THEM, it WILL work?!? |
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Post by myshelly on Aug 3, 2020 23:59:59 GMT
The proof I have is our lazy ass mail woman refusing to deliver packages to my house because she doesn’t want to get out of her truck when anyone orders a package. She flat out tells people “I will fall on your property and sue you if you complain that I won’t deliver your packages.” is she a USPS employee, or is she some sort of contractor they use? What does she do with packages that you order, then? Can you switch to a PO box?? For all of these issues, I would be complaining about your service to the USPS, not complaining to us here. (And the fact that you get someone else's mail is *technically* a problem for THEM, not for YOU. For all you know, you get every piece of your mail.) She is a uniformed, official USPS mail truck driving USPS employee. I have complained. My neighbors have complained. We organized a complaint campaign by the entire block. It did nothing. She puts slips in everyone’s mailboxes saying she attempted delivery and they have to go pick up their packages at the post office. Why would I or should I get a PO Box? Why would I give them any money or support them when they already don’t do the job they’re supposed to do? Frankly, I intensely hope the republicans succeed in putting them out of business. I don’t get all of my mail - I get no packages. If the USPS can’t deliver mail to the correct address, regardless of whose problem that is, why would I trust them with votes? It’s not about whose problem it is, it’s about whether I trust them. I don’t. Therefore I don’t trust mail in voting. |
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Post by lindas on Aug 4, 2020 0:05:19 GMT
So how does this happen througout the country within less than 90 days? Some early voting starts next month. I'm not against alternate types of votings. But with all the chaos going on right now and the short time frame, there is no way that this can realistically happen by November. where the hell does early voting start in September??? Michigan 45 days before Minnesota 46 Illinois 40 New Jersey 45 South Dakota 46 Vermont, Virginia and Wyoming 45 Some counties in Pennsylvania mail in ballots are provided up to 50 days ahead |
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Post by pinklady on Aug 4, 2020 0:15:28 GMT
I’m not at all pro Trump and I agree with this. I don’t trust USPS with my mail, why would I trust them with my vote? I’ve never had reliable mail service at my current address (lived here for 15 years). I've done mail-in early balloting for YEARS, and I think a LOT of people like me in ALL the states that have allowed it for YEARS would raise HOLY HELL if DT tries to say NOW that it's not good. It's not all about you... your mail service is bad? then FIX IT! don't punish the rest of us who HAVE good mail service, and have been using these things (mail-in ballots) for YEARS ALREADY. eta: how exactly do you know your mail service isn't reliable, anyway? what proof do you have that your issues (whatever they are) are caused by the USPS? Here’s how I know the post office/it’s workers suck: -When you get the utility red shut off notice but you never got the original bill. -the US Weekly magazine you get each week is 6 weeks old EVERY week -the person who lives on another street kindly delivers your package -the person Who lives down your block delivers your OPENED cable bill Those are just a couple of examples out of a book I could write in my postal workers are morons book. |
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Post by pinklady on Aug 4, 2020 0:19:53 GMT
The proof I have is our lazy ass mail woman refusing to deliver packages to my house because she doesn’t want to get out of her truck when anyone orders a package. She flat out tells people “I will fall on your property and sue you if you complain that I won’t deliver your packages.” is she a USPS employee, or is she some sort of contractor they use? What does she do with packages that you order, then? Can you switch to a PO box?? For all of these issues, I would be complaining about your service to the USPS, not complaining to us here. (And the fact that you get someone else's mail is *technically* a problem for THEM, not for YOU. For all you know from what you've said, you DO get every piece of your mail.) I see no point in not trying to get someone to fix the ROOT CAUSE of YOUR problem, not make a different problem by not allowing mail-in voting. (I guess I've worked in Quality too long, and see everything thru a corrective / preventive action lens.) You can go stand in line and vote if you want, and if YOU distrust mail-in voting-- that's fine; have at it. But why would you not want someone ELSE in your state to use that service if they want to, and they believe that FOR THEM, it WILL work?!? There is ZERO recourse in solving mail delivery issues. NONE. They are government morons who can do what they want, when they want, how they want. There is also ZERO recourse if your car is hit by a mail truck. NONE. ETA: You’ve clearly never had mail trouble. You’re lucky. |
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Post by ntsf on Aug 4, 2020 0:23:56 GMT
I live in the city.. where several blocks are one block streets.. so sometimes I get the mail from a person that lives the next block over with the same number...different street. but mostly cause we were between a steady delivery person...
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Post by PrettyInPeank on Aug 4, 2020 0:24:33 GMT
If there was mass mail in voting and Trump won would you believe that it was fair? Edited to add: I can't get my regular mail delivered correctly on a daily basis and there is at least one thread here that everyone is advising that there are massive delays in US mail delivery because of COVID and other problems with the post office. I'm not afraid of mail in voting but the USPS is incompetent and ineffective and there is no way I trust them to do the job. The mail delivery at my house is atrocious. I belong to the USPS informed delivery service, and at least 4 times a week things are posted in that email that I don't receive. Two things that didn't get here were checks that totaled over 3,000. I had to contact the source, stop payment on the checks, have them reissued, and then one of them didn't get here again. So no, I don't have much faith in mail in votes. (this all happened this past month. This is by design, do you realize he’s doing this intentionally? Trump and the new Post Office General are sabotaging the USPS. |
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Post by myshelly on Aug 4, 2020 0:29:00 GMT
The proof I have is our lazy ass mail woman refusing to deliver packages to my house because she doesn’t want to get out of her truck when anyone orders a package. She flat out tells people “I will fall on your property and sue you if you complain that I won’t deliver your packages.” is she a USPS employee, or is she some sort of contractor they use? What does she do with packages that you order, then? Can you switch to a PO box?? For all of these issues, I would be complaining about your service to the USPS, not complaining to us here. (And the fact that you get someone else's mail is *technically* a problem for THEM, not for YOU. For all you know from what you've said, you DO get every piece of your mail.) I see no point in not trying to get someone to fix the ROOT CAUSE of YOUR problem, not make a different problem by not allowing mail-in voting. (I guess I've worked in Quality too long, and see everything thru a corrective / preventive action lens.) You can go stand in line and vote if you want, and if YOU distrust mail-in voting-- that's fine; have at it. But why would you not want someone ELSE in your state to use that service if they want to, and they believe that FOR THEM, it WILL work?!? I don’t trust the post office. Therefore I do not trust the results of an election if the post office is involved in the election. The post office does not accurately deliver mail, therefore I believe they do not accurately deliver votes. Maybe you didn’t read my other post, but I HAVE tried multiple times in multiple ways over multiple years to fix my issue. They fact that they won’t correct it makes me trust them even less and therefore believe they should have even less involvement in anything important, like elections. I believe they will go out of business eventually (hopefully). To me, that is the way to fix my issue now. |
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Post by cmpeter on Aug 4, 2020 0:33:10 GMT
I personally haven’t had USPS issues. Our mail guy is fantastic...same guy for the past 15 years. We have 100% mail in voting here in WA and have for a number of years.
That being said...I know there are USPS issues and we dropped off our mail in ballot at a ballot box location. Looks like a traditional blue USPS box, but it’s just for ballots.
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Post by basketdiva on Aug 4, 2020 0:41:57 GMT
I personally haven’t had USPS issues. Our mail guy is fantastic...same guy for the past 15 years. We have 100% mail in voting here in WA and have for a number of years. That being said...I know there are USPS issues and we dropped off our mail in ballot at a ballot box location. Looks like a traditional blue USPS box, but it’s just for ballots. I live in WA too and always put my ballot in a drop box rather than mail box. |
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Post by papersilly on Aug 4, 2020 0:49:32 GMT
It just exemplifies what a cheat he is. if anything gets people to do something, it's to tell them they can't. Suppress the vote and people will come out in droves. You make people feel like you are taking away a right and they'll exercise it. His petty stunt may actually backfire on him.
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