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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2020 5:40:01 GMT
"This past spring — during the the height of hysteria over covid19, The Villages, a sprawling retirement community just northeast of Tampa with a population much like Longboat Key, seemed to be a world apart from the chaos and mayhem besieging the rest of the country. Record-breaking unemployment, an economic freefall, rising crime rates and exploding health costs were but a distant thunder from the outside. The Black Lives Matter movement, a light sprinkle in The Villages residents’ social news feeds. It is a Shangri La for the nation’s seniors. The ultimate Florida lifestyle, an “endless vacation” for the affluent and active. All Spring, there was live music and daily dancing, in the three town squares. 55 golf courses. Softball leagues. Movie theatres. No wonder 4,000 new residents move in every year. A warm weather Elysian Fields where you never have to be alone. The Villages — with 128,000 residents, mostly 55 and older — had it all.... According to a recent federal report, the fatality rate among those aged 65 to 84 is up to 11 percent. For people younger than 54, it is below 1 percent. The Village’s infection rate from Covid-19 jumped from one tenth of one percent to 9 percent. Last week, overall cases rose to 7,936 in the tri-county area, where The Villages are located – an increase of 300 from Thursday to Friday. There have been 105 deaths and 623 people hospitalized. Based on the infection rate of past pandemics, like the swine flu pandemic of 2009, Harvard University epidemiologists conservatively estimate that 20 percent of the population will be infected over the next 18 months. The Villages continue to ignore this dark reality, even changing mask policy from “required” to “recommended”, dumbfounding many residents according to the Village-News.com. “You just can’t fix stupid,” says Jim Smith of the Village of Silver Lake, “Florida continues to appear on the map of fourteen states where the number of cases continues to rise! Just incomprehensible.”" www.lbknews.com/2020/08/04/the-villages-they-thought-they-were-impregnable/You can't gaslight a pandemic. |
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Post by smginaz Suzy on Aug 5, 2020 7:11:52 GMT
Well, we already know at least one dumbass that lives there.
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Post by christine58 on Aug 5, 2020 10:22:10 GMT
Well, we already know at least one dumbass that lives there. Who? |
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Post by Dallie on Aug 5, 2020 10:50:25 GMT
If only that outcome could have been predicted.  Guess circling the golf carts singing incantations to the almighty Trump while yelling at black people didn't work? Who knew? |
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Post by gar on Aug 5, 2020 11:04:39 GMT
Well, we already know at least one dumbass that lives there. Who? Leone lives there. |
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Post by christine58 on Aug 5, 2020 11:20:59 GMT
Really?? didn't know that. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2020 11:25:03 GMT
Well, we already know at least one dumbass that lives there. Is that necessary? |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Aug 5, 2020 11:57:43 GMT
I mentioned this on another post, but my sister works at a senior mobile home community and the seniors there do not wear masks and they are not social distancing. This is in Hidalgo county which is a hotspot. Only difference is these seniors are mostly Hispanic and lower income. Sister is annoyed that so many come into her workspace and laugh at the fact that they forgot to wear their mask. She is about to put in her resignation. My parents live in a different community, also in Hidalgo county and they are not social distancing either. Oh well, nothing I can do about it. Why do seniors think they are invincible? It’s not just seniors. I was at a baseball game last night and there was a group of teens sitting really close to each other, taking loudly, and eating from the same ice cream container. Nobody else around seemed to be that concerned about it. |
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Post by ashley on Aug 5, 2020 12:01:09 GMT
My heart breaks for victims of covid, especially the ones who have acquired it due to lack of choice — like forced to return to crowded work places, or because someone else didn’t take proper precautions and wear a mask properly or at all. I can’t feel much for this particular community who’s demonstrated their abundance of hatred and lack of regard for human lives other than their own, and have rejected medical science in favour of their own putrid ignorance.
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Post by gar on Aug 5, 2020 12:32:59 GMT
Why do seniors think they are invincible? Maybe they've just reached the point of having lived through wars, had long lives, they feel they've survived just fine so far so they're willing to take their chances? I don't know. |
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Post by workingclassdog on Aug 5, 2020 13:20:02 GMT
I figured they would get hit hard.. that place is a cesspool of disease to begin with. ICK. My aunt/uncle live there (my dad did as well)...
I wonder what my aunt/uncle are doing to prevent COVID or are they like the rest of them? I am picturing they are non-wearing maskers and be damn if they have too.
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Post by sassyangel on Aug 5, 2020 13:44:50 GMT
I mentioned this on another post, but my sister works at a senior mobile home community and the seniors there do not wear masks and they are not social distancing. This is in Hidalgo county which is a hotspot. Only difference is these seniors are mostly Hispanic and lower income. Sister is annoyed that so many come into her workspace and laugh at the fact that they forgot to wear their mask. She is about to put in her resignation. My parents live in a different community, also in Hidalgo county and they are not social distancing either. Oh well, nothing I can do about it. Why do seniors think they are invincible? Not all of them do. My parents are seniors, and they very much both still want to live. And they’re being responsible. |
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Post by pierkiss on Aug 5, 2020 13:48:36 GMT
🤷♀️ Viruses gonna virus. Stupids gonna stupid.
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Post by scrappintoee on Aug 5, 2020 14:05:09 GMT
I figured they would get hit hard.. that place is a cesspool of disease to begin with. ICK. My aunt/uncle live there (my dad did as well)... I'm so curious---why is it a "cesspool?" Do the "Villagers" have a lot of contagious diseases? (I'm NOT referring to Covid, but OTHER diseases). That one pea who lives there makes it sound like heaven on earth! Oh, and then she raves about those golf cart parades to celebrate Trump! It's none of my business, but IF you want to answer---do your aunt and uncle (and formerly, your Dad) enjoy the pro-Trump atmosphere? I'm so curious if any democrats live there. And since you called it a "cesspool"--aside from Covid ---- are your aunt and uncle fearful of disease? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2020 14:06:33 GMT
They have a great news source for their community and it's done a good job at reporting the latest in covid restrictions (or not) and cases/hospitalizations/deaths. "The tri-county area reported 11,136 cases on Monday. That showed an overnight increase of 171 cases. Overall, those cases were divided among 4,675 men, 6,307 women, 53 non-residents and 101 people listed as unknown. There have been 150 deaths and 810 people have been hospitalized. A breakdown of the tri-county area and the counties that form a ring around it, along with the number of cases, death and hospitalizations, includes: Sumter County (1,142 cases, 35 deaths and 159 people hospitalized); Lake County (4,708 cases, 51 deaths and 239 people hospitalized); Marion County (5,286 cases, 64 deaths and 412 people hospitalized); Alachua County (3,749 cases, 23 deaths and 159 hospitalized); Putnam County (1,379 cases, 19 deaths and 151 hospitalized); Volusia County (7,149 cases, 116 deaths and 533 people hospitalized); Seminole County (6,687 cases, 88 deaths and 413 people hospitalized); Orange County (29,927 cases, 239 deaths and 897 people hospitalized); Osceola County (8,894 cases, 81 deaths and 368 people hospitalized); Polk County (13,137 cases, 271 deaths and 1,143 people hospitalized); Pasco County (6,548 cases, 99 deaths and 494 people hospitalized); Hernando County (1,766 cases, 33 deaths and 226 people hospitalized); Citrus County (1,299 cases, 30 deaths and 121 people hospitalized); and Levy County (618 cases, 3 deaths and 33 people hospitalized)." www.villages-news.com/2020/08/04/92000-plus-covid-19-cases-reported-in-and-around-tri-county-area/ |
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Post by myshelly on Aug 5, 2020 14:18:15 GMT
I mentioned this on another post, but my sister works at a senior mobile home community and the seniors there do not wear masks and they are not social distancing. This is in Hidalgo county which is a hotspot. Only difference is these seniors are mostly Hispanic and lower income. Sister is annoyed that so many come into her workspace and laugh at the fact that they forgot to wear their mask. She is about to put in her resignation. My parents live in a different community, also in Hidalgo county and they are not social distancing either. Oh well, nothing I can do about it. Why do seniors think they are invincible? Why do people think seniors need to live forever? Americans have this weird attitude that values quantity of life over quality of life. They’re old. They want to spend whatever time they have left with their family and friends and if they die, then they die. That seems perfectly reasonable to me. Not seeing old people, isolating them, the rules surrounding nursing homes, don’t seem reasonable to me at all. Being warehoused isn’t living. |
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Post by pinklady on Aug 5, 2020 14:25:30 GMT
I mentioned this on another post, but my sister works at a senior mobile home community and the seniors there do not wear masks and they are not social distancing. This is in Hidalgo county which is a hotspot. Only difference is these seniors are mostly Hispanic and lower income. Sister is annoyed that so many come into her workspace and laugh at the fact that they forgot to wear their mask. She is about to put in her resignation. My parents live in a different community, also in Hidalgo county and they are not social distancing either. Oh well, nothing I can do about it. Why do seniors think they are invincible? Why do people think seniors need to live forever? Americans have this weird attitude that values quantity of life over quality of life. They’re old. They want to spend whatever time they have left with their family and friends and if they die, then they die. That seems perfectly reasonable to me. Not seeing old people, isolating them, the rules surrounding nursing homes, don’t seem reasonable to me at all. Being warehoused isn’t living. The entitled selfish American has spoken. we are fucking doomed. |
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Post by myshelly on Aug 5, 2020 14:29:03 GMT
Why do people think seniors need to live forever? Americans have this weird attitude that values quantity of life over quality of life. They’re old. They want to spend whatever time they have left with their family and friends and if they die, then they die. That seems perfectly reasonable to me. Not seeing old people, isolating them, the rules surrounding nursing homes, don’t seem reasonable to me at all. Being warehoused isn’t living. The entitled selfish American has spoken. we are fucking doomed. I truly don’t get how thinking someone should have a good life is entitled or selfish. All the seniors I know in real life say that they would rather die than stop seeing their families. Why is it selfish or entitled to let them make that choice? I truly cannot understand the point of prolonging the lives of seniors in nursing homes. |
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Post by pierkiss on Aug 5, 2020 14:29:15 GMT
I figured they would get hit hard.. that place is a cesspool of disease to begin with. ICK. My aunt/uncle live there (my dad did as well)... I'm so curious---why is it a "cesspool?" Do the "Villagers" have a lot of contagious diseases? (I'm NOT referring to Covid, but OTHER diseases). That one pea who lives there makes it sound like heaven on earth! Oh, and then she raves about those golf cart parades to celebrate Trump! It's none of my business, but IF you want to answer---do your aunt and uncle (and formerly, your Dad) enjoy the pro-Trump atmosphere? I'm so curious if any democrats live there. And since you called it a "cesspool"--aside from Covid ---- are your aunt and uncle fearful of disease? They have a slight problem with STDs down there. ETA: Upon googling looking for a source, it seems that the claims about high rates of STDs in The Villages MAY have been exaggerated. Apparently it is not any higher than other communities of a similar nature (age wise). 🤷♀️ |
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Post by pjaye on Aug 5, 2020 14:33:34 GMT
They’re old. They want to spend whatever time they have left with their family and friends and if they die, then they die. That seems perfectly reasonable to me. That's all well and good if they then just stay in their homes and die - but of course that isn't what happens. See the post above yours, look at the numbers in hospital, they are using up resources, taking up beds and ventilators of people who are younger and very much want to live. They are also expecting healthcare workers to risk their own lives by caring for them. They are also out in the community making others sick - people who probably also want very much to stay alive. So that theory falls down right there when you look at all the people in hospital, they aren't "ready to die" they are allowing themselves to be taken to hospital and allowing other people to fight for their lives. You don't want to wear a mask? don't care if you catch the virus and die? - that's fine by me, then stay home and don't let anyone take you to a hospital. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2020 14:36:22 GMT
The entitled selfish American has spoken. we are fucking doomed. I truly don’t get how thinking someone should have a good life is entitled or selfish. All the seniors I know in real life say that they would rather die than stop seeing their families. Why is it selfish or entitled to let them make that choice? I truly cannot understand the point of prolonging the lives of seniors in nursing homes. Once more for the seats at the back of the house: It's not just about them!!!! They can infect others and cause them to get sick OR DIE!!!!!!!!! |
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Post by myshelly on Aug 5, 2020 14:36:23 GMT
They’re old. They want to spend whatever time they have left with their family and friends and if they die, then they die. That seems perfectly reasonable to me. That's all well and good if they then just stay in their homes and die - but of course that isn't what happens. See the post above yours, look at the numbers in hospital, they are using up resources, taking up beds and ventilators of people who are younger and very much want to live. They are also expecting healthcare workers to risk their own lives by caring for them. They are also out in the community making others sick - people who probably also want very much to stay alive. So that theory falls down right there when you look at all the people in hospital, they aren't "ready to die" they are allowing themselves to be taken to hospital and allowing other people to fight for their lives. You don't want to wear a mask? don't care if you catch the virus and die? - that's fine by me, then stay home and don't let anyone take you to a hospital. I think the issue is that American medicine wouldn’t let them refuse the treatment even if they are willing to go. There should be a pain free way to go out once you need treatment so that you truly have a choice. |
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Post by LeaP on Aug 5, 2020 14:44:22 GMT
I figured they would get hit hard.. that place is a cesspool of disease to begin with. ICK. My aunt/uncle live there (my dad did as well)... I'm so curious---why is it a "cesspool?" Do the "Villagers" have a lot of contagious diseases? (I'm NOT referring to Covid, but OTHER diseases). That one pea who lives there makes it sound like heaven on earth! Oh, and then she raves about those golf cart parades to celebrate Trump! It's none of my business, but IF you want to answer---do your aunt and uncle (and formerly, your Dad) enjoy the pro-Trump atmosphere? I'm so curious if any democrats live there. And since you called it a "cesspool"--aside from Covid ---- are your aunt and uncle fearful of disease? From the NY Post: Romance and STD’s: Inside Florida’s wild retirees getaway |
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Post by pjaye on Aug 5, 2020 14:47:25 GMT
There should be a pain free way to go out once you need treatment No there shouldn't be. You make a choice to get sick, then you suffer the consequences of that decision. Making it painless is bullshit - that "choice" still requires other people to help you out, I don't know of any medical professionals who would be willing to do that...that's NOT what we sign up for, we sign up to help people, and that help does definitely not include helping people die of their own stupid choices in the nicest way possible. You want to make that decision? - fine, you make it and leave everyone else, including and healthcare staff and any hospitals right out of it. ...or maybe some of the people or their relatives who got sick or died because of you, might want to come over and help you out with the dying part |
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Post by pierkiss on Aug 5, 2020 14:49:19 GMT
That's all well and good if they then just stay in their homes and die - but of course that isn't what happens. See the post above yours, look at the numbers in hospital, they are using up resources, taking up beds and ventilators of people who are younger and very much want to live. They are also expecting healthcare workers to risk their own lives by caring for them. They are also out in the community making others sick - people who probably also want very much to stay alive. So that theory falls down right there when you look at all the people in hospital, they aren't "ready to die" they are allowing themselves to be taken to hospital and allowing other people to fight for their lives. You don't want to wear a mask? don't care if you catch the virus and die? - that's fine by me, then stay home and don't let anyone take you to a hospital. I think the issue is that American medicine wouldn’t let them refuse the treatment even if they are willing to go. There should be a pain free way to go out once you need treatment so that you truly have a choice. . You can refuse treatment at any point. DNRs exist for this reason. Wills exist for this reason. Verbally telling your doctor not to take extraordinary measures before shit goes sideways exists for a reason. |
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Post by oh yvonne on Aug 5, 2020 14:51:32 GMT
Why do seniors think they are invincible? Maybe they've just reached the point of having lived through wars, had long lives, they feel they've survived just fine so far so they're willing to take their chances? I don't know. This. That's my dad. He's not laughing at it and he wears his mask as he's supposed to but dammit, he's in his 80's now and he's going to golf and get his Starbucks and live his life until the end. I can't be upset with him anymore for not staying inside like my mom is doing, she's not willing to leave the house much, so I'm taking her on drives up the coast and to Ojai etc just to get the wind in her face. |
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Post by pjaye on Aug 5, 2020 14:51:34 GMT
I think the issue is that American medicine wouldn’t let them refuse the treatment even if they are willing to go. You think in those roughly 6000 people listed as being in hospital, that ambulances went door to door looking for unwell people and dragging them off to hospital against their will? |
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Post by myshelly on Aug 5, 2020 14:53:02 GMT
I think the issue is that American medicine wouldn’t let them refuse the treatment even if they are willing to go. There should be a pain free way to go out once you need treatment so that you truly have a choice. . You can refuse treatment at any point. DNRs exist for this reason. Wills exist for this reason. Verbally telling your doctor not to take extraordinary measures before shit goes sideways exists for a reason. I have personally witnessed too many situations where a person did not want medical treatment, but received it anyway because their family wanted it to believe any of that would work. I mean, look at people who try to commit suicide and are treated. They didn’t want treatment. I believe that true medical choice equals freely available pain free suicide. I believe the way we treat old people in this country shows that we value quantity of life over quality of life and the way we’re treating old people in this pandemic is a perfect example of that. |
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Post by pierkiss on Aug 5, 2020 14:54:00 GMT
The entitled selfish American has spoken. we are fucking doomed. I truly don’t get how thinking someone should have a good life is entitled or selfish. All the seniors I know in real life say that they would rather die than stop seeing their families. Why is it selfish or entitled to let them make that choice? I truly cannot understand the point of prolonging the lives of seniors in nursing homes. Your stance on living life in the time of Covid blows my mind. It really does. Are you seriously ok with knowing that if you catch Covid and happen to be unlucky enough to have severe complications from it and wind up dead, that you’ll be leaving your children motherless? Your spouse alone? Is being able to go to Disney or a play or throw a party really worth dying over to you? |
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Post by freecharlie on Aug 5, 2020 14:54:04 GMT
I think the issue is that American medicine wouldn’t let them refuse the treatment even if they are willing to go. There should be a pain free way to go out once you need treatment so that you truly have a choice. That is ridiculous. Of course they can choose not to get medical treatment. Everyone can. You stay at home and shut up. No one is coming and demanding that they be allowed treat you. Now the ability to do it painfree, is an entirely different situation. But it does involve being willing to compromise others health to be sure your wealth buys you a pain free exit experience. unless someone calls 911, especially if you are unconscious and then once in the hospitals there are protocols they have to follow |
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