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Post by myshelly on Aug 5, 2020 16:12:33 GMT
Then get off your fucking computer and go spend time with them. There are other ways to give them a fun childhood that doesn't require tickets to Disney, you know. and what happens if Disneyland BURNS DOWN?!? Or there's a huge earthquake and part of California just disappears into the ocean? what then? Disneyland, NASCAR tracks, etc. NONE of those places are PERMANENT. What if they were *poof* just gone, for some reason? would your life *really* have no meaning if that were to happen? If so, it's a pretty pathetic life (and outlook on life) you're giving your kids. Oh, we hate DisneyLand. It’s WDW we care about. |
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Aug 5, 2020 16:17:54 GMT
Oh, we hate DisneyLand. It’s WDW we care about. seriously?!? that is all you got out of our posts? Okay, then- what if *Walt Disney World* got flattened by a huge, horrific hurricane? what would you do with your lives, then? (posts like this from you are what make me think you really ARE just trolling us. Or if you're not, then you're really sooo much more shallow and vapid than I ever imagined.) |
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Post by pjaye on Aug 5, 2020 16:23:38 GMT
And your anecdotal evidence doesn’t trump my anecdotal evidence. Where are your anecdotes from? How many nursing homes have you been in? How many elderly people have you spoken to? How many hospitals & ICUs have you worked in? How many corona virus patients have you spoken to? You claim all old people are sick of living and would rather die drowning in their own lung secretions and are being dragged off to hospital against their will...and you're simply making it all up. "Anecdotes" are actual stories that real people you've meet have told you. When you have LOTS of people all telling LOTS of other people the same thing, then it can be termed "anecdotal evidence" Not actually meeting any of these people yourself, not working in or visiting nursing homes or hospitals regularly...those are not anecdotes, those as just called thoughts in your head. I've met AND looked after thousands of old people in hospitals and only a TINY minority of them want to die. The majority want treatment for whatever they have, they fight hard and want to live. FACT: not all old people want to die, their lives are not valueless nor are they wasted. Also fact: no-one is going into homes and looking for people to drag off to ICU. Fact: SOME people decide they don't care if they get sick and die, so they don't follow precautions, then they do get sick and they front up to hospital (or call an ambulance) and all of a sudden they desperately want everyone to do everything to save them...and expect those others to put their own lives at risk. |
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Post by msliz on Aug 5, 2020 16:32:57 GMT
While I agree that physician assisted suicide should be a choice in some cases, it's being taken to a whole new disturbing level here.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2020 16:33:31 GMT
and what happens if Disneyland BURNS DOWN?!? Or there's a huge earthquake and part of California just disappears into the ocean? what then? Disneyland, NASCAR tracks, etc. NONE of those places are PERMANENT. What if they were *poof* just gone, for some reason? would your life *really* have no meaning if that were to happen? If so, it's a pretty pathetic life (and outlook on life) you're giving your kids. Oh, we hate DisneyLand. It’s WDW we care about.   She must be trolling us. Also not related to this post but how the heck does her family manage to do all these great trips, fun events, coordinated wardrobes, etc on a teacher's salary? Have I missed something? |
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Post by hop2 on Aug 5, 2020 16:34:41 GMT
Are you seriously ok with knowing that if you catch Covid and happen to be unlucky enough to have severe complications from it and wind up dead, that you’ll be leaving your children motherless? Your spouse alone? Is being able to go to Disney or a play or throw a party really worth dying over to you? This. And really I guess I'm having a really hard time with idea that *events* are *life*. I feel like it is a veiled insult to those of us who are happily and gratefully taking this virus seriously and isolating for the greater good and the good of those we love. And I wrote and rewrote this several times because I didn't want to seem like I am picking on someone who may be suicidal over this. I tried to choose my words carefully. But, I'm totally having a WTF moment. A few things. I do not see ‘events’ or ‘places’ or some activities as living my life. I can go many years without a trip to an amusement park, movie theater or where ever. No problem. I DO see people and interacting with people I love and care about as living my life. And that is at times hard to do with this pandemic because of the high rate of symptomless carriers. I terrified of harming someone without my knowledge by passing this when I didn’t know I had it. It will be difficult for about the next year. Each time I see family I will have to do a risk analysis in my head over if the risk is low enough for me to NOT HARM ANY ONE ELSE. I’m not too worried for myself exactly. I mean I’m worried but I can accept the results if my actions for myself. I can’t accept harming someone else. I also think that a person who needs so badly to do a few unnecessary entertainment items or they will ‘kill themselves‘ has a deeper mental issue that should be addressed promptly with professional medical treatment. That is all I have to say on that. And as to forced medical treatment, yes I have had to sign a legal form for a hospital that I recognize my parents dnr form and will not sue the hospital for adhering to my parents wishes I had to sign this both in NJ & in PA. Not sure what would have happened if I did not sign because I am respectful of my parents wishes and I had been present when they had signed it. In my experience, it is not ‘forced’ treatment by any hospital or medical professional, but by the persons RELATIVES for refusing to respect their relatives wishes. I have never seen a nursing home force a patient out from the home into a hospital because they get less money when this happens. |
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Aug 5, 2020 16:38:01 GMT
not related to this post but how the heck does her family manage to do all these great trips, fun events, coordinated wardrobes, etc on a teacher's salary? Have I missed something? you haven't missed anything the rest of us haven't wondered about ourselves... thus, the *trolling* question. |
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Post by myshelly on Aug 5, 2020 16:40:58 GMT
Oh, we hate DisneyLand. It’s WDW we care about. She must be trolling us. Also not related to this post but how the heck does her family manage to do all these great trips, fun events, coordinated wardrobes, etc on a teacher's salary? Have I missed something? We have almost no bills. About 95% of our income is disposable income. |
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Post by hop2 on Aug 5, 2020 16:41:59 GMT
Like I said, DNRs and advanced directives exist for a reason. If a person got to a certain age, hell any age, and they felt strongly about not receiving care, they NEED to put it in writing. It needs to be in their chart. As most facilities are digital now, it should be easy to find it they know your name when you come in. They need to make their next of kin aware of their wishes. Maybe consider putting it on a bracelet (like the medical alert bracelets) and wearing it at all times. Suicides are different than accidents or long term (or short term) illnesses. Some people genuinely don’t want to be saved and are super upset (rightfully so) when their attempt gets foiled. Again, DNR and advanced directive would be handy in this situation. Other people regret their decision and don’t actually want to die, and are grateful when they are saved. That is as far into that discussion as I’m going to wade. If it is not in writing anywhere, and someone calls an ambulance and gets you and takes you to the hospital, the drs and nurses are going to treat you. That is their job, and they have to do it. Euthanasia is a whole different ball of wax. For what it’s worth I am not against assisted suicide, esp in terminal cases. But I think there needs to be some serious psychological evaluation taking place to make sure the person really understands and knows what they’re choosing to do. That they are mentally competent enough to make that choice. I don’t think it would be appropriate to get sick with something like Covid and then say “oops, I’ve got it. I’ve had a good life and I think I’ll take my exit now. Give me the pills doc.” I do think it would be appropriate to write out a DNR upon getting diagnosed and making sure everyone knew about it. DNRs only do good if the hospital sees them or knows about them. I have personally witnessed two people with DNRs be revived and treated in ways they didn’t want because the hospital just asks the family what they want. If an ambulance gets called by someone else, the paramedics just automatically start working on you and take you to the hospital. They don’t stop and look around for a DNR. That is the FAMILYs forcing the treatment not the hospital. |
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Post by myshelly on Aug 5, 2020 16:43:47 GMT
Oh, we hate DisneyLand. It’s WDW we care about. seriously?!? that is all you got out of our posts? Okay, then- what if *Walt Disney World* got flattened by a huge, horrific hurricane? what would you do with your lives, then? (posts like this from you are what make me think you really ARE just trolling us. Or if you're not, then you're really sooo much more shallow and vapid than I ever imagined.) It was a facetious response to a ridiculous question. I’m not a survivalist. If states start falling into the ocean, I have no desire to live through the apocalypse. I’ve always said I’m a first waver (as in, when the end of the world comes, I’m good with going out in the first wave). |
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Post by elaine on Aug 5, 2020 16:45:11 GMT
Walt Disney World has been around for only 50 years. Somehow billions of people around the world have had fulfilling childhoods and lives for thousands of years without going to WDW. Same with NASCAR. Except it probably has been around longer than 50 years, I don’t care enough to look it up. The theater has been around in some form for thousands of years, but only a small minority of people could afford to go, or lived where they had access to a theatrical venue, and still the overwhelming majority of people had fulfilling childhoods and lives. myshelly, if you believe that you and your children are losing out on things to the degree that it makes you suicidal, you need professional help. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, you are causing more damage to your children’s well-being than the pandemic is if this is truly your mindset and not trolling on a message board. Finally, people who are suicidal and don’t want help are overwhelmingly successful. The majority of those who make it to the hospital are expressing how awful their lives feel and desperately want help. You are intelligent enough to know this, so am not sure what your end game is with making obviously untrue statements about suicide and mental health. You clearly want help more than truly wanting to end your life, because you keep talking about it rather than choosing a fool-proof method and doing it, which is reassuring to me. Apply that to everyone else. And please get professional help. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2020 16:45:34 GMT
Like I said, DNRs and advanced directives exist for a reason. If a person got to a certain age, hell any age, and they felt strongly about not receiving care, they NEED to put it in writing. It needs to be in their chart. As most facilities are digital now, it should be easy to find it they know your name when you come in. They need to make their next of kin aware of their wishes. Maybe consider putting it on a bracelet (like the medical alert bracelets) and wearing it at all times. Suicides are different than accidents or long term (or short term) illnesses. Some people genuinely don’t want to be saved and are super upset (rightfully so) when their attempt gets foiled. Again, DNR and advanced directive would be handy in this situation. Other people regret their decision and don’t actually want to die, and are grateful when they are saved. That is as far into that discussion as I’m going to wade. If it is not in writing anywhere, and someone calls an ambulance and gets you and takes you to the hospital, the drs and nurses are going to treat you. That is their job, and they have to do it. Euthanasia is a whole different ball of wax. For what it’s worth I am not against assisted suicide, esp in terminal cases. But I think there needs to be some serious psychological evaluation taking place to make sure the person really understands and knows what they’re choosing to do. That they are mentally competent enough to make that choice. I don’t think it would be appropriate to get sick with something like Covid and then say “oops, I’ve got it. I’ve had a good life and I think I’ll take my exit now. Give me the pills doc.” I do think it would be appropriate to write out a DNR upon getting diagnosed and making sure everyone knew about it. DNRs only do good if the hospital sees them or knows about them. I have personally witnessed two people with DNRs be revived and treated in ways they didn’t want because the hospital just asks the family what they want. If an ambulance gets called by someone else, the paramedics just automatically start working on you and take you to the hospital. They don’t stop and look around for a DNR. Actually they do. I have a friend who is an EMT and they look on the refrigerator at the very least. |
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Post by pjaye on Aug 5, 2020 16:47:54 GMT
We have almost no bills. About 95% of our income is disposable income. Which cult is this again? No bills & regular trips to Disney land...I might sign up myself - but I'll be bringing my own drinks. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2020 16:53:52 GMT
She must be trolling us. Also not related to this post but how the heck does her family manage to do all these great trips, fun events, coordinated wardrobes, etc on a teacher's salary? Have I missed something? We have almost no bills. About 95% of our income is disposable income. So you must have other income besides your husband's teacher salary? Because I suck at math but even I can figure out that 5% of the average teacher's salary is barely going to cover groceries for a family, let alone trips to WDW, Nascar etc. Unless that 95% is you being facetious again. |
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Post by workingclassdog on Aug 5, 2020 16:55:12 GMT
No, as usual, she's telling other people what to do and she's the last person who should be lecturing people on how to behave on a message board. You know what? I barely engage with you if I can help it. I have been on this board amost 20 years now. There were a few years early on when I acted a brat, I said a couple of things that pissed people off but I *apologized* for those things years ago. You harbor a grudge like no one I have ever seen on this board, and that says a lot. I've never done a thing to you other than offend you about a comment I made about this being an American board. Like back during the Bush days and the war. You never ever let me or anyone else here forget it. I'm sick of it. I have a lot of fun here and share as many kind things as I can here. I honestly don't know wtf is your obsession with me. I swear Jesus you remind me of Dorinda from HW. That's how I picture you, a mean, hateful spitelful bitter thing. Back on ignore you go, but I'm in no mood today. FFS man, you are ridiculous lady, you embarrass yourself.    love love love xoxoxo. Well done. You are probably in the top three of being one of the nicest peas on the board. (in my book, #1)... the hate towards you from her is crazy. But I get it since I am in that hate group as well. So stupid. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2020 16:56:55 GMT
We have almost no bills. About 95% of our income is disposable income. So you must have other income besides your husband's teacher salary? Because I suck at math but even I can figure out that 5% of the average teacher's salary is barely going to cover groceries for a family, let alone trips to WDW, Nascar etc. Unless that 95% is you being facetious again. Not just groceries, utilities, phone, insurance, gas, retirement money, etc. Bare essentials to most people. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2020 17:01:34 GMT
I think that part of the issue is that, even if I can accept it’s temporary, I’m losing this time. I don’t want future time, I want this time, when my kids are these ages. I’m losing this part of their childhood. I don’t care if I get time in the future, that’s not the time I want. I’ll happily give away or lose out on that time because it has no value to me. So, it doesn’t matter to me if I don’t have the time in the future. I don’t particularly care if I come out on the other side if the other side is years away. And I think that’s a valid choice. I am having a hard time understanding why you are losing time with your kids. We were on lockdown for three and a half months...severe lockdown. I have made MORE memories with my kids because we have had so much time together. You are treating your childrens' childhood as your possession. I really am having a hard time understanding this. So much of what you have said in this thread has left me speechless. |
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Post by Skellinton on Aug 5, 2020 17:01:55 GMT
So you must have other income besides your husband's teacher salary? Because I suck at math but even I can figure out that 5% of the average teacher's salary is barely going to cover groceries for a family, let alone trips to WDW, Nascar etc. Unless that 95% is you being facetious again. Not just groceries, utilities, phone, insurance, gas, retirement money, etc. Bare essentials to most people. And she considers NASCAR, WDW, theater, etc necessities. So, her husband must have one hell of a paycheck if she only uses 5% of it to pay for all that stuff. For anyone that buys what she is selling, I have that proverbial bridge for sale at bargain bin prices. |
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Post by katlady on Aug 5, 2020 17:02:09 GMT
I really do hope Myshelly is just trolling us. It is sad to think that someone could think life is not worth living without Disney World and other outside events. Children just want to be loved, they don't need DW to get that.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Aug 5, 2020 17:02:40 GMT
Actually they do. I have a friend who is an EMT and they look on the refrigerator at the very least. come, now-- that's just 'anecdotal' evidence. That doesn't count. (for you, anyway; it would count if it was her anecdote.)  |
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Post by hop2 on Aug 5, 2020 17:10:52 GMT
Actually they do. I have a friend who is an EMT and they look on the refrigerator at the very least. come, now-- that's just 'anecdotal' evidence. That doesn't count. (for you, anyway; it would count if it was her anecdote.) ok now I know where to put my medical poa & my living will. |
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Post by sam9 on Aug 5, 2020 17:27:37 GMT
Personally, even though I don't agree with a lot that she says or thinks, I would much rather spend time IRL with myshelly than most of the other people who have commented on this thread. She expresses her opinions, doesn't try to force them on others, and isn't blatantly cruel to other posters. This place is so harsh and judgemental. Who cares if someone online doesn't agree with you? How does that affect your life? Do you really need to be so nasty to people you don't even know? It doesn't sound to me like she's going around mindlessly spreading covid to others; in fact she sounds concerned. It appears that she's in a big bubble made up of friends and family and they've all accepted to be in it together. I feel sorry for her that she isn't happy, not gleeful. |
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Post by myshelly on Aug 5, 2020 17:28:59 GMT
I really do hope Myshelly is just trolling us. It is sad to think that someone could think life is not worth living without Disney World and other outside events. Children just want to be loved, they don't need DW to get that. Not trolling. Just don’t get the point of never leaving your house. |
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Post by sassyangel on Aug 5, 2020 17:29:11 GMT
Personally, even I don't agree with a lot that she says or thinks, I would much rather spend time IRL with myshelly than most of the other people who have commented on this thread. She expresses her opinions, doesn't try to force them on others, and isn't blatantly cruel to other posters. This place is so harsh and judgemental. Who cares if someone online doesn't agree with you? How does that affect your life? Do you really need to be so nasty to people you don't even know? It doesn't sound to me like she's going around mindlessly spreading covid to others; in fact she sounds concerned. It appears that she's in a big bubble made up of friends and family and they've all accepted to be in it together. I feel sorry for her that she isn't happy, not gleeful. Huh? She’s often cruel and cutting to others. 😐 |
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Post by gar on Aug 5, 2020 17:29:36 GMT
We have almost no bills. About 95% of our income is disposable income. So you must have other income besides your husband's teacher salary? Because I suck at math but even I can figure out that 5% of the average teacher's salary is barely going to cover groceries for a family, let alone trips to WDW, Nascar etc. Unless that 95% is you being facetious again. For all we know she could have had an inheritance or something or have wealthy family or whatever. Who knows. |
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Post by myshelly on Aug 5, 2020 17:30:00 GMT
So you must have other income besides your husband's teacher salary? Because I suck at math but even I can figure out that 5% of the average teacher's salary is barely going to cover groceries for a family, let alone trips to WDW, Nascar etc. Unless that 95% is you being facetious again. Not just groceries, utilities, phone, insurance, gas, retirement money, etc. Bare essentials to most people. As I said, we have almost no bills. We have some, but not all of the bills you listed. |
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Post by MichyM on Aug 5, 2020 17:38:38 GMT
come, now-- that's just 'anecdotal' evidence. That doesn't count. (for you, anyway; it would count if it was her anecdote.) ok now I know where to put my medical poa & my living will. Actually all you need on the fridge is your DNR. Make sure it’s on a neon colored paper. Both my sister and my mother had them. In my experience, as someone else said, the EMTs do look for them. Particularly if they’re there treating someone with a serious chronic health condition. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2020 17:42:49 GMT
I really do hope Myshelly is just trolling us. It is sad to think that someone could think life is not worth living without Disney World and other outside events. Children just want to be loved, they don't need DW to get that. Not trolling. Just don’t get the point of never leaving your house. The point of never rarely leaving your house is to act like a decent human being during a PANDEMIC!!!!! How many times/ways can this be explained so you will care for someone beyond your own circle? |
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Post by inkedup on Aug 5, 2020 17:42:55 GMT
You're an adult. Old enough to realize the difference between a temporary difficulty and a permanent situation. This is temporary. I know it doesn't feel like it, five months in, but it's temporary. I hope no one would be wiling to end their life over a temporary situation. I think that part of the issue is that, even if I can accept it’s temporary, I’m losing this time. I don’t want future time, I want this time, when my kids are these ages. I’m losing this part of their childhood. I don’t care if I get time in the future, that’s not the time I want. I’ll happily give away or lose out on that time because it has no value to me. So, it doesn’t matter to me if I don’t have the time in the future. I don’t particularly care if I come out on the other side if the other side is years away. And I think that’s a valid choice. Watching my children grow into cool humans is definitely worth less than watching a NASCAR race. For sure. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2020 17:47:46 GMT
So you must have other income besides your husband's teacher salary? Because I suck at math but even I can figure out that 5% of the average teacher's salary is barely going to cover groceries for a family, let alone trips to WDW, Nascar etc. Unless that 95% is you being facetious again. For all we know she could have had an inheritance or something or have wealthy family or whatever. Who knows. True, that sounds most likely if she really is living the life she has described here. |
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