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Post by basketdiva on Aug 7, 2020 22:47:41 GMT
I had a couple of thoughts when I read this the other day:
A) the woman who assaulted the older woman seems to have anger issues and was totally wrong throwing the woman to the ground. B) what was the woman doing out in public so soon after a liver transplant during the pandemic ( I know maybe she had personal papers to copy/fax and didn’t trust that to anyone else). C) why did she not turn away from the woman instead of schooling her on how to wear the mask.
People need to just walk away from people not wearing a mask instead of deciding it’s their right to tell others what to do.
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Post by Country Ham on Aug 7, 2020 22:57:54 GMT
I was very surprised yesterday. I worked the poll for the primaries and every person who came in to vote wore a mask and I live in the south, very republican, very much Rah rah Trump.
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Post by Merge on Aug 7, 2020 23:28:46 GMT
I was very surprised yesterday. I worked the poll for the primaries and every person who came in to vote wore a mask and I live in the south, very republican, very much Rah rah Trump. Maybe that means the hardcore Trumpers aren't showing up to vote.
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Post by Olan on Aug 7, 2020 23:42:26 GMT
I can’t imagine being angry enough at someone that I physically harm them and I’ve been seething with anger every damn day since early March. Daniel Tiger mantra for the win💪🏿
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Post by tincin on Aug 8, 2020 0:39:13 GMT
I had a couple of thoughts when I read this the other day: A) the woman who assaulted the older woman seems to have anger issues and was totally wrong throwing the woman to the ground. B) what was the woman doing out in public so soon after a liver transplant during the pandemic ( I know maybe she had personal papers to copy/fax and didn’t trust that to anyone else). C) why did she not turn away from the woman instead of schooling her on how to wear the mask. People need to just walk away from people not wearing a mask instead of deciding it’s their right to tell others what to do. Perhaps she didn’t have anyone to do it for her. Also, maybe she was right inthe middle of faxing or coping and couldn’t walk away. I hope they identify the bitch was assaulted her and the woman sues her for every penny she has.
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Post by spitfiregirl on Aug 8, 2020 0:41:35 GMT
I had a couple of thoughts when I read this the other day: A) the woman who assaulted the older woman seems to have anger issues and was totally wrong throwing the woman to the ground. B) what was the woman doing out in public so soon after a liver transplant during the pandemic ( I know maybe she had personal papers to copy/fax and didn’t trust that to anyone else). C) why did she not turn away from the woman instead of schooling her on how to wear the mask. People need to just walk away from people not wearing a mask instead of deciding it’s their right to tell others what to do. Perhaps she didn’t have anyone to do it for her. Also, maybe she was right inthe middle of faxing or coping and couldn’t walk away. I hope they identify the bitch was assaulted her and the woman sues her for every penny she has. they found her and charged her with assault
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Post by tincin on Aug 8, 2020 0:47:17 GMT
spitfiregirl Thanks, I didn’t read the article because I saw it the other day. She hadn’t been identified yet but I’m thrilled she is now. How difficult is it to say no or walk away if you are stupid enough to get up in someone’s space without a mask on?
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Post by phoenixcov on Aug 8, 2020 9:49:32 GMT
Is this what society is really coming to? Making excuses for people throwing each other around? I don`t care what the older woman said there is no reason or excuse for what the younger women did.
just for the record I managed to type this out and edit the multiple swear words and insults before posting. I am sure you will insert your own.
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Post by mollycoddle on Aug 8, 2020 10:24:12 GMT
I’m glad that she was arrested, just like I’m glad that that clown who slapped a woman so hard that she fell( over a mask) was arrested. People are angry and frustrated, but that doesn’t mean that you get to assault others. People who don’t believe in this pandemic are incredibly angry about it. Me, I give them a wide berth.
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Post by tara on Aug 8, 2020 12:57:08 GMT
I just don’t get people. I haven’t gone out a lot since this all had started so I’m not used to wearing a mask. The other day we were eating at a restaurant. Our masks were sitting on the table next to us while we ate. My husband was waiting for the waiter to bring him his change so I got up and went to the boutique next door. I totally forgot my mask. The sales lady told me I had to have a mask to shop so I apologized and ran back to the restaurant to get it. It was frustrating but I wasn’t mad at her, I was mad at myself for forgetting. All of this is frustrating but you don’t get to take it out on other people.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2020 13:20:23 GMT
I went into O'Reilly's Auto Parts store yesterday as DH was doing an oil change on the car and needed more oil. No one was wearing a mask and I told the cashier (who was not wearing a mask) that I could not shop there and he said, "Oh well." I honestly think stores need to station someone at the door. In MN, it is mandated, and the store is responsible for compliance.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Aug 8, 2020 13:39:17 GMT
I went into O'Reilly's Auto Parts store yesterday as DH was doing an oil change on the car and needed more oil. No one was wearing a mask and I told the cashier (who was not wearing a mask) that I could not shop there and he said, "Oh well." I honestly think stores need to station someone at the door. In MN, it is mandated, and the store is responsible for compliance. I’m in MN, too. The first week masks were mandated in the city I live by, I walked into tjmaxx and an employee was talking to a woman with five kids, none of whom were wearing masks. I don’t know wha the woman’s excuse was but she said, “I guess I need to have my shirt printed now.” I did see them later on in the store and all but the youngest girl were wearing masks. Other than that, All stores have signs on the door but I haven’t seen other stores talking to people as they come in. Most of the time I see compliance, though. But last week I was in a gas station in a small rural town. The employees wore masks but of the other four customers that came in, I was the only one wearing one. Nobody said anything. I’ve had people say they were going to wear masks and acting indignant about it. I just said that people who wanted stores to be open and no masks had no problem telling others to stay home, so I guess now it is the non-mask wearers turn to stay home if they want. Somehow their attitude is not the same when they are being told they can stay home.
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Post by spitfiregirl on Aug 8, 2020 13:56:31 GMT
its not worth confronting people if they dont have a mask. Just sneer at them and move away as fast as possible. At the grocery store they funnel you through one line so people aren't congregating at registers... The line monitor sent me to a line where the checker wasn't wearing a mask. I refused too go in her line. Then the monitor said go in this line.... and I again refused because the checkers nose wasn't covered. I told the guy " I am choosing my own line" And I went to a lined with a protected cashier. This was at winco. People are really volatile right now. Our country is so divided. Just sneer and walk away when you see someone not complying. Id like to stand next to them and cough, but I know thats bad so I won't.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2020 13:58:05 GMT
I’ve had people say they were going to wear masks and acting indignant about it. I just said that people who wanted stores to be open and no masks had no problem telling others to stay home, Yep. The free-dumb warriors want to have everything open AND no masks. They want "compromised people" to just stay home. Because free-dumb warriors rights to be out and about WITHOUT a mask TRUMPS immuno-compromised and at-risk people's right to be ANYWHERE AT ALL except home.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2020 14:02:28 GMT
Utterly unfit for life in society. Hope she gets put away for assault to learn how to live in society better.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2020 17:18:45 GMT
I had a couple of thoughts when I read this the other day: A) the woman who assaulted the older woman seems to have anger issues and was totally wrong throwing the woman to the ground. B) what was the woman doing out in public so soon after a liver transplant during the pandemic ( I know maybe she had personal papers to copy/fax and didn’t trust that to anyone else). C) why did she not turn away from the woman instead of schooling her on how to wear the mask. People need to just walk away from people not wearing a mask instead of deciding it’s their right to tell others what to do. How are your points 2 and 3 not victim blaming? Who cares why she was out? She has the right to safely do so. The assailant clearly and intentionally violated the victim’s personal space. She had every right to ask her to put her mask on and back up and there was no reasonable expectation that she’d be assaulted as a result.
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Post by Country Ham on Aug 8, 2020 17:41:36 GMT
I was very surprised yesterday. I worked the poll for the primaries and every person who came in to vote wore a mask and I live in the south, very republican, very much Rah rah Trump. Maybe that means the hardcore Trumpers aren't showing up to vote. At my poll the democratic primary ticket received 2 votes, everyone else asked for republican. ! said general election only.
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Post by 16joy on Aug 8, 2020 17:46:46 GMT
How do you know if a person has a medical reason for not wearing one? That keeps me from judging That was an over the top reaction. I think the lack of socialization and complete change of life is making people crazy. If you're an extrovert, it's got to be really trying.
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Post by Country Ham on Aug 8, 2020 17:51:02 GMT
She had every right to ask her to put her mask on No one has the "right" to ask me to put a mask on, or take my mask off, unless they are the store managers. My mother had a saying "you may be right, but you may be dead right". I think it was when I was going through a 4 way stop as a new driver and it was 100% my turn to go, someone started in at the same time and she made me hit my brakes. I was a little indigent as teens usually are and she quoted that to me. Sometimes we are 100% in the right, but sometimes we need to use discretion about our "rightness". If i had a concern about mask wearing i would "tattle" to the sales person and let them deal I would stay 12 feet away and do my thing. That's not victim blaming either, that's common sense. Sometimes an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2020 7:22:17 GMT
She had every right to ask her to put her mask on No one has the "right" to ask me to put a mask on, or take my mask off, unless they are the store managers. My mother had a saying "you may be right, but you may be dead right". I think it was when I was going through a 4 way stop as a new driver and it was 100% my turn to go, someone started in at the same time and she made me hit my brakes. I was a little indigent as teens usually are and she quoted that to me. Sometimes we are 100% in the right, but sometimes we need to use discretion about our "rightness". If i had a concern about mask wearing i would "tattle" to the sales person and let them deal I would stay 12 feet away and do my thing. That's not victim blaming either, that's common sense. Sometimes an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. People absolutely have the right to request that you wear a mask in their presence. And they absolutely have a right to defend themselves. I’m not talking about policing. I’m talking specifically about the occasion where the assailant invaded her personal space. If she insisted on violating her space that way, the victim had every right to protect and defend herself by asking her to put a mask on while breathing that closely to her. In that instance with the woman so close, it wasn’t practical for her to seek assistance but to protect herself immediately.
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Post by Dallie on Aug 9, 2020 12:20:45 GMT
As a retail worker and manager, I would not ask a customer to wear a mask. Nope.
On any regular day, you can get stuff thrown at you, spit at, have poopy diapers smeared on your counter, have a guy pound his fists on the register because you said, "Happy Holidays" instead of " Merry Christmas ", or have a guy twice your size threaten to "take you out" because you politely said his kid needs to wear shoes in the store...
On a regular day, a % of the gen pop have serious anger issues they will unload on you. In these times, there is no way I would ask a customer to put on a mask or tell my staff to ask a customer to do so. No freaking way.
So I would never ask a store employee to put themselves at great personal risk. I would avoid that person or leave.
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Post by smasonnc on Aug 9, 2020 12:39:39 GMT
I went into O'Reilly's Auto Parts store yesterday as DH was doing an oil change on the car and needed more oil. No one was wearing a mask and I told the cashier (who was not wearing a mask) that I could not shop there and he said, "Oh well." I honestly think stores need to station someone at the door. In MN, it is mandated, and the store is responsible for compliance. We had the same experience in a kitchen and bath store. I wrote a Facebook message to the owner but haven’t heard anything. Not getting my bath remodeled there. Big mistake...big...huge! I can’t believe we’re blaming the victim for getting herself brutally assaulted. What kind of animal throws an old lady with a cane to the ground? Not sure what the woman was doing in public after a liver transplant, but the penalty should not be getting injured by a nut job.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2020 13:25:35 GMT
Oh, to be this quick-witted and nimble...
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Aug 10, 2020 15:51:06 GMT
I’ve had people say they were going to wear masks and acting indignant about it. I just said that people who wanted stores to be open and no masks had no problem telling others to stay home, so I guess now it is the non-mask wearers turn to stay home if they want. Somehow their attitude is not the same when they are being told they can stay home.^^^ THIS is what I don't understand. Those people can't have it both ways. What they *really* want is for things to go back the way they used to be, which isn't possible. So suck it up and wear a mask.
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Post by tincin on Aug 12, 2020 3:38:38 GMT
How do you know if a person has a medical reason for not wearing one? That keeps me from judging That was an over the top reaction. I think the lack of socialization and complete change of life is making people crazy. If you're an extrovert, it's got to be really trying. If you have a medical reason for not wearing one you should still be wearing a face shield.
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Post by tincin on Aug 12, 2020 3:42:16 GMT
No one has the "right" to ask me to put a mask on, or take my mask off, unless they are the store managers. My mother had a saying "you may be right, but you may be dead right". I think it was when I was going through a 4 way stop as a new driver and it was 100% my turn to go, someone started in at the same time and she made me hit my brakes. I was a little indigent as teens usually are and she quoted that to me. Sometimes we are 100% in the right, but sometimes we need to use discretion about our "rightness". If i had a concern about mask wearing i would "tattle" to the sales person and let them deal I would stay 12 feet away and do my thing. That's not victim blaming either, that's common sense. Sometimes an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. People absolutely have the right to request that you wear a mask in their presence. And they absolutely have a right to defend themselves. I’m not talking about policing. I’m talking specifically about the occasion where the assailant invaded her personal space. If she insisted on violating her space that way, the victim had every right to protect and defend herself by asking her to put a mask on while breathing that closely to her. In that instance with the woman so close, it wasn’t practical for her to seek assistance but to protect herself immediately. I agree, if you don’t want to wear a mask, have at it but stay the hell out of my 6’ radius. Otherwise I will ask you to back off politely the first time and not so nicely the next time.
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Post by freecharlie on Aug 12, 2020 3:49:25 GMT
I'm being an asshole and telling coworkers if they dont want to wear a mask while they talk to me, they can call me instead.
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Post by shevy on Aug 18, 2020 15:50:31 GMT
As a retail worker and manager, I would not ask a customer to wear a mask. Nope. On any regular day, you can get stuff thrown at you, spit at, have poopy diapers smeared on your counter, have a guy pound his fists on the register because you said, "Happy Holidays" instead of " Merry Christmas ", or have a guy twice your size threaten to "take you out" because you politely said his kid needs to wear shoes in the store... On a regular day, a % of the gen pop have serious anger issues they will unload on you. In these times, there is no way I would ask a customer to put on a mask or tell my staff to ask a customer to do so. No freaking way. So I would never ask a store employee to put themselves at great personal risk. I would avoid that person or leave. In MN, masks are required and it is the store who has to mandate compliance. If not, they can and will end up being reported to the state. The state also has compliance checks in various places and if masks aren't required, then the store can be fined and/or shut down. The same with compliance checks on restaurants/bars and masks.
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Post by zella on Aug 18, 2020 18:12:57 GMT
IMO attacks over not wearing face masks, or wearing them improperly, need to be felonies everywhere. This is ridiculous.
It's easy for many to say "just walk away" but please understand that all of these people really are endangering others. Not me, because I don't go anywhere. But possibly my husband, who is our only source of support, both financially and in terms of getting needed items. And this story is repeated millions of times in this country: high risk people at home depending on one or more family members to stay healthy so everyone can survive. It's not as simple as "just walk away." And because so many people have been attacked, it's emboldening those who think they have no responsibility to society at large.
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