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Post by Merge on Aug 11, 2020 12:07:05 GMT
My nephew is in marching band. They got rid of sports/band one day and then two days later changed their mind. I know marching band is still practicing but I don't know about football. At least with marching band they are experts at social distancing. Hah. I saw a meme a while back that said that if they want kids to social distance at school, they need to put the marching band teachers in charge. Oddly enough, I also read yesterday that a district in Texas south of Corpus Christi (an area that has become a major hotspot) has canceled its football season for this year. In Texas!
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Aug 11, 2020 12:43:15 GMT
In high schools..I think parents push for having football because of
1) tradition, 2) pride, and 3) that for some, especially seniors they run the risk of losing out on college scholarships and being recruited. There are no do overs for the school year.
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Post by dawnnikol on Aug 11, 2020 12:52:33 GMT
In high schools..I think parents push for having football because of 1) tradition, 2) pride, and 3) that for some, especially seniors they run the risk of losing out on college scholarships and being recruited. There are no do overs for the school year. I was also very flabbergasted as to why people were pushing SO HARD for high school football. I was talking with a retired HS coach and he said that for some of the kids, this is their only way out. If they don't have a sport, they have no shot at all at college, etc. It doesn't make it right, but it made more sense for some people to want sports back. The school board in our district was trying to make the argument to have schools play football this fall so kids who play spring and fall sports would have the chance. One of the members also made the argument that the schools are being very safe about it, but if we don't let the kids play with the schools, they'll go find a club. Those clubs aren't going to be as safe and won't have the limitations for who they play against, whereas the schools are limiting where/who they play. His words, not mine.
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Post by huskermom98 on Aug 11, 2020 13:02:51 GMT
In high schools..I think parents push for having football because of 1) tradition, 2) pride, and 3) that for some, especially seniors they run the risk of losing out on college scholarships and being recruited. There are no do overs for the school year. I was also very flabbergasted as to why people were pushing SO HARD for high school football. I was talking with a retired HS coach and he said that for some of the kids, this is their only way out. If they don't have a sport, they have no shot at all at college, etc. It doesn't make it right, but it made more sense for some people to want sports back. The school board in our district was trying to make the argument to have schools play football this fall so kids who play spring and fall sports would have the chance. One of the members also made the argument that the schools are being very safe about it, but if we don't let the kids play with the schools, they'll go find a club. Those clubs aren't going to be as safe and won't have the limitations for who they play against, whereas the schools are limiting where/who they play. His words, not mine. Forget college, part of my pushing for fall sports is to keep some of the kids in high school. Even if it's a hybrid plan, some kids need the incentive & support that sports teams provide to have a successful school year and stay on track to simply graduate from high school.
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Post by Merge on Aug 11, 2020 13:05:08 GMT
In high schools..I think parents push for having football because of 1) tradition, 2) pride, and 3) that for some, especially seniors they run the risk of losing out on college scholarships and being recruited. There are no do overs for the school year. This is true for lots of seniors (I am the parent of a senior this year). I don’t see anyone freaking out about the orchestra kids losing out on their senior year chances for region, all state and other things that put you on the radar of big college faculty. My guess is that colleges will have to change how they recruit and look more at junior year accomplishments. I don’t see this as a reason to endanger everyone.
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Post by Sarah*H on Aug 11, 2020 13:20:19 GMT
Our governor wants schools to postpone sports until at least January and people I consider my friends are reacting like spoiled toddlers. He's a tyrant, he's a Nazi, the science doesn't support this, this is fake, kids don't get Corona, etc. etc. etc. I am pretty much done with people.
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Post by blue tulip on Aug 11, 2020 13:23:29 GMT
Our local schools have moved it to Spring. that's an option i haven't heard mentioned here yet! i hope if they have to cancel it for fall, this is an option for us.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Aug 11, 2020 13:24:20 GMT
In high schools..I think parents push for having football because of 1) tradition, 2) pride, and 3) that for some, especially seniors they run the risk of losing out on college scholarships and being recruited. There are no do overs for the school year. This is true for lots of seniors (I am the parent of a senior this year). I don’t see anyone freaking out about the orchestra kids losing out on their senior year chances for region, all state and other things that put you on the radar of big college faculty. My guess is that colleges will have to change how they recruit and look more at junior year accomplishments. I don’t see this as a reason to endanger everyone. I would venture to say that is most likely because the community is not involved in orchestra the way they are with sports. It’s not that people don’t care, they just aren’t as aware of those activities. Also, it seems that there would be some creative ways for people to be noticed even if in small groups. My son will be a senior. He is hoping to play college baseball. They didn’t have a school season this year. He is doing some other showcases and trying to be creative in how he proceeds since most things were canceled this year. He also plays football (as does my soon to be 10th grader). They just moved football season to march15-May 15. Baseball will start right after that (which is later than normal). I’m skeptical of the football season anyway—partly because I doubt the virus will be in control then and party because of the weather. At this point he is not sure if he will play. Playing football in Minnesota in March doesn’t sound that appealing. Frozen ground and cold temps mean more injuries that could potentially affect baseball. We will see what happens. It is weird, though, that last year during senior night for football I just had a feeling that DS wouldn’t be having one. He won’t be playing college football but this would be his senior year and playing varsity. It’s not like Disneyland, which will be there when you are able to go again. In the scheme of life the activities we do in high school aren’t necessarily life changing. But it is still hard for kids to miss out on those things, even if cancelling is what we need to do. Seems that everyone having compassion and empathy for all of the experiences people are missing would be a good thing. Even if those things don’t mean much to you (general you).
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Post by Merge on Aug 11, 2020 13:31:27 GMT
This is true for lots of seniors (I am the parent of a senior this year). I don’t see anyone freaking out about the orchestra kids losing out on their senior year chances for region, all state and other things that put you on the radar of big college faculty. My guess is that colleges will have to change how they recruit and look more at junior year accomplishments. I don’t see this as a reason to endanger everyone. I would venture to say that is most likely because the community is not involved in orchestra the way they are with sports. It’s not that people don’t care, they just aren’t as aware of those activities. Also, it seems that there would be some creative ways for people to be noticed even if in small groups. My son will be a senior. He is hoping to play college baseball. They didn’t have a school season this year. He is doing some other showcases and trying to be creative in how he proceeds since most things were canceled this year. He also plays football (as does my soon to be 10th grader). They just moved football season to march15-May 15. Baseball will start right after that (which is later than normal). I’m skeptical of the football season anyway—partly because I doubt the virus will be in control then and party because of the weather. At this point he is not sure if he will play. Playing football in Minnesota in March doesn’t sound that appealing. Frozen ground and cold temps mean more injuries that could potentially affect baseball. We will see what happens. It is weird, though, that last year during senior night for football I just had a feeling that DS wouldn’t be having one. He won’t be playing college football but this would be his senior year and playing varsity. It’s not like Disneyland, which will be there when you are able to go again. In the scheme of life the activities we do in high school aren’t necessarily life changing. But it is still hard for kids to miss out on those things, even if cancelling is what we need to do. Seems that everyone having compassion and empathy for all of the experiences people are missing would be a good thing. Even if those things don’t mean much to you (general you). Oh I’m absolutely sympathetic. It’s a major loss for my kid, too - she attends a special high school specifically for the music opportunities. I just don’t buy the idea that a minority of kids needing to show off for colleges should drive a major risk for everyone else.
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Post by Country Ham on Aug 11, 2020 13:38:54 GMT
Our local schools have moved it to Spring. that's an option i haven't heard mentioned here yet! i hope if they have to cancel it for fall, this is an option for us. Our school is small. If they do that and our athletes have to chose between football and baseball, it's baseball that will suffer. And not just for players, but resources. I can guarantee the bus will transport the football team before the baseball team. They will fight for "rights" to the concession stand on Friday nights when both teams have a home game. We have some great baseball players but will struggle to have players on the bench if that happens.
I am resigned to be positive in whatever happens. Like I said on a another thread our cross country team is already home quarantined after the very first team meeting. The first meet falls wihin that time. So who knows. My son figures at this rate we will be lucky to have a season and cross country is a green light sport fall sport in our state (the positive student also is a cheerleader, golf team too)
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Post by Tamhugh on Aug 11, 2020 14:58:06 GMT
Our governor wants schools to postpone sports until at least January and people I consider my friends are reacting like spoiled toddlers. He's a tyrant, he's a Nazi, the science doesn't support this, this is fake, kids don't get Corona, etc. etc. etc. I am pretty much done with people. He only gave a recommendation and clearly stated in the written statement that it was up to the schools/conferences. My friends are still freaking out that he is a dictator. In my personal opinion, the PIAA wanted him to shut it down so they would have a scapegoat. I have snoozed so many people on FB that I have a much nicer feed now.
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Post by ~summer~ on Aug 11, 2020 15:13:38 GMT
Our football is cancelled until spring.
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Post by auntkelly on Aug 11, 2020 15:36:39 GMT
I thought the Clemson quarterback, Trevor Lawrence, made a really good point when he tweeted yesterday something to the effect that college football was a big motivator for the athletes to play it safe (wearing masks, social distancing, not going to parties, etc.). Everyone is motivated to play it safe and encourage others to do the same because you don't want the season to be shut down due to covid.
I think the same could be said for high school sports, band or just about any other activity. If the sport or activity depends on everyone staying covid free, the students will probably make better choices and encourage their friends to make better choices. The activities could be scaled back to make them as safe as possible, of course. I think it would even encourage some of the adults to make better choices ("we can't come to that big family wedding next week because the band director won't let Johnny go to the band competition if he finds out").
I'm afraid that if the schools cancel all activities, the kids will find a way to fill that time, and many of the kids will make unsafe choices.
I have to admit, though, I'm glad I'm not the one making those difficult decisions.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Aug 11, 2020 15:37:50 GMT
that's an option i haven't heard mentioned here yet! i hope if they have to cancel it for fall, this is an option for us. Our school is small. If they do that and our athletes have to chose between football and baseball, it's baseball that will suffer. And not just for players, but resources. I can guarantee the bus will transport the football team before the baseball team. They will fight for "rights" to the concession stand on Friday nights when both teams have a home game. We have some great baseball players but will struggle to have players on the bench if that happens.
I am resigned to be positive in whatever happens. Like I said on a another thread our cross country team is already home quarantined after the very first team meeting. The first meet falls wihin that time. So who knows. My son figures at this rate we will be lucky to have a season and cross country is a green light sport fall sport in our state (the positive student also is a cheerleader, golf team too)
In our state, they have created a “4th season” so the sports won’t overlap. Who knows what will happen with winter sports like basketball at this point, but they must be planning on a shortened season at best so that the fall sports like football can start on March 15 and end before spring sports start May 15. But, like I said in a previous post, some student athletes like my son are worried about how that would work and wondering if they will have to make a choice of practices start earlier than May 15 or there are concerns about getting hurt because the ground is still frozen, etc.
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Post by Merge on Aug 12, 2020 17:20:06 GMT
I thought the Clemson quarterback, Trevor Lawrence, made a really good point when he tweeted yesterday something to the effect that college football was a big motivator for the athletes to play it safe (wearing masks, social distancing, not going to parties, etc.). Everyone is motivated to play it safe and encourage others to do the same because you don't want the season to be shut down due to covid. I think the same could be said for high school sports, band or just about any other activity. If the sport or activity depends on everyone staying covid free, the students will probably make better choices and encourage their friends to make better choices. The activities could be scaled back to make them as safe as possible, of course. I think it would even encourage some of the adults to make better choices ("we can't come to that big family wedding next week because the band director won't let Johnny go to the band competition if he finds out"). I'm afraid that if the schools cancel all activities, the kids will find a way to fill that time, and many of the kids will make unsafe choices. I have to admit, though, I'm glad I'm not the one making those difficult decisions. The problem here is that you've still got a fair number of folks who think this is all a hoax, and refuse to wear masks or practice any kind of distancing. And they send their kids to school with the same attitude. Or they say they think COVID is real, but they're "not going to live in fear" and go on doing things that are known to be very risky. And then the onus is on the coach or director to decide which activities were risky enough that the kid must be excluded? Lawsuits aplenty.
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Post by auntkelly on Aug 12, 2020 21:08:22 GMT
I thought the Clemson quarterback, Trevor Lawrence, made a really good point when he tweeted yesterday something to the effect that college football was a big motivator for the athletes to play it safe (wearing masks, social distancing, not going to parties, etc.). Everyone is motivated to play it safe and encourage others to do the same because you don't want the season to be shut down due to covid. I think the same could be said for high school sports, band or just about any other activity. If the sport or activity depends on everyone staying covid free, the students will probably make better choices and encourage their friends to make better choices. The activities could be scaled back to make them as safe as possible, of course. I think it would even encourage some of the adults to make better choices ("we can't come to that big family wedding next week because the band director won't let Johnny go to the band competition if he finds out"). I'm afraid that if the schools cancel all activities, the kids will find a way to fill that time, and many of the kids will make unsafe choices. I have to admit, though, I'm glad I'm not the one making those difficult decisions. The problem here is that you've still got a fair number of folks who think this is all a hoax, and refuse to wear masks or practice any kind of distancing. And they send their kids to school with the same attitude. Or they say they think COVID is real, but they're "not going to live in fear" and go on doing things that are known to be very risky. And then the onus is on the coach or director to decide which activities were risky enough that the kid must be excluded? Lawsuits aplenty. I honestly don't think lawsuits are going to be a huge issue. It's very costly to pursue a lawsuit, especially when you are suing a public school. You generally have to jump through many hoops when you sue a school before you even get to take your case to court. Assuming your lawsuit makes it to court, what are the potential damages? In most cases, the damages would be nominal even if the jury rules in the plaintiff's favor. As to kids whose parents think it's a hoax, some of those kids might say "it's not worth wearing a mask just to get to go to a band competition," but a few might say "so what if it's a hoax, if I get to go to the band competition, I'll wear a mask." No doubt it will be a challenge to offer any extracurricular activities, but I hope schools and other organizations figure out ways for kids to enjoy some of the activities they love, even if they have to get really creative to find ways to do it safely. I know teachers and administrators more than have their hands full right now worrying about how they can make the teaching environment safe. I'm just hoping the schools can eventually offer some extracurricular activities because I do think that is such an important part of the educational experience for a lot of kids.
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