johnnysmom
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Jun 25, 2014 21:16:33 GMT
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Post by johnnysmom on Aug 23, 2020 1:20:03 GMT
I think I'm gonna send our board and admin a thank you card. While the pay is absolute crap (literally the paras/aides/office people, make $10/hr) we never run out of paper towels/soap/etc. If by some chance something is empty we just call the custodian and she's on it; if something is broken we call the maintenance person and it's usually fixed in a day or two. I don't know where they found the money (I thought it was part of the CARES money, but sounds like maybe not) but the school spent thousands of dollars on wipes, sanitizer, sanitizer dispensers, cloth masks (2 for every student and staff), backup disposable masks, some fancy mister/cleaning machine, etc. That doesn't even count all the endless hours the administration and teachers have put in this summer to make sure that kids are as safe as they can possibly be. And the PTO has really stepped up too (they always do, but this year they went beyond the norm).
I'll be honest, we've been thinking of moving since ods is graduated and we didn't feel the schools have enough to offer yds (there's no gifted program, AP classes are virtually non-existent, etc) but if this is what schools outside of here are like perhaps we should stay put. FWIW we're a title 1 district too.
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AmeliaBloomer
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Location: USA
Jun 26, 2014 5:01:45 GMT
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Aug 23, 2020 1:36:55 GMT
I think I'm gonna send our board and admin a thank you card. While the pay is absolute crap (literally the paras/aides/office people, make $10/hr) we never run out of paper towels/soap/etc. If by some chance something is empty we just call the custodian and she's on it; if something is broken we call the maintenance person and it's usually fixed in a day or two. I don't know where they found the money (I thought it was part of the CARES money, but sounds like maybe not) but the school spent thousands of dollars on wipes, sanitizer, sanitizer dispensers, cloth masks (2 for every student and staff), backup disposable masks, some fancy mister/cleaning machine, etc. That doesn't even count all the endless hours the administration and teachers have put in this summer to make sure that kids are as safe as they can possibly be. And the PTO has really stepped up too (they always do, but this year they went beyond the norm). I'll be honest, we've been thinking of moving since ods is graduated and we didn't feel the schools have enough to offer yds (there's no gifted program, AP classes are virtually non-existent, etc) but if this is what schools outside of here are like perhaps we should stay put. FWIW we're a title 1 district too. I’ve worked in more than 50 schools. Seriously. District income level and property tax levels CAN be a good predictor of school condition, but not always. Some of my poorest schools always had soap and paper towels and toilet paper and some of the wealthiest schools couldn’t keep up. Or copy machine paper. Don’t get me started on copy machine paper. I carried some in my car. Somebody in your district is a good planner. Yeah, send a card. Make her day.
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Post by SockMonkey on Aug 23, 2020 1:37:51 GMT
Oooh! Also, my husband was told to quarantine for 2 weeks due to possible exposure at work. I was supposed to have my annual gyne appointment; they called the day before to confirm (same day my DH was sent home) and I told them about the quarantine. They asked me to reschedule. A doctors' office did not want me to come in because someone I live with was potentially exposed. So. I will NOT be made to feel crazy for thinking schools aren't safe to open yet. Them not seeing you because your spouse was "potentially exposed" is absolutely ridiculous. Everyone who ever leaves their house is potentially exposed. Well, I can only go by what the nurse I spoke with said. The office person called, I gave them the info, she had me speak with a nurse who told me to reschedule. Not sure what to tell you, but these are medical professionals, just like you. 🤷🏼♀️
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Post by Zee on Aug 23, 2020 1:43:32 GMT
And please let me make this clear: You all are SUPERSTARS at what you do, having to do online teaching AND in person is not what any of you signed up for. It's ridiculous to ask you to do both and risk your personal safety. I get that and I fully support you all in that.
I could never teach kids, it's not what I was designed to do. My apologies if anyone thought I was making it a contest, because I'm not. I do think some people enjoy spreading fear and negativity more than anyone should in this short time we have on earth and I'm tired of it, but this is new for you and you are absolutely right to be concerned.
I'm totally over "potential exposure" at this point because I've been exposed countless times without full PPE but that doesn't mean I get to sit in judgement, my apologies for that sort of jaded response.
I think teachers are miracle workers to be honest! If I had had to be responsible for educating my children, they'd know a little about many things and not nearly as much as they'd need to. And the poor things wouldn't have any idea how to solve a story problem.
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Post by aj2hall on Aug 23, 2020 2:04:07 GMT
I understand what you’re saying about fear and panic. However, as others have said, schools and hospitals are not the same. I work as a para at an elementary school, we’re going back in person 5 days a week, all of the kids. For many reasons, I would prefer to be in person. But, I’m concerned right now that it’s not safe. I’m more concerned about my co workers and teachers who are high risk or live with someone who is at risk. Hospitals are so much better prepared to deal with the virus from ventilation to sanitizing to PPE to restricting access to testing patients before they’re admitted (labor & delivery & elective surgeries). My family is in a similar situation to freecharlie, my dh is a nurse practitioner in family practice, we’re more worried that I will bring the virus home from school.
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Post by freecharlie on Aug 23, 2020 2:15:58 GMT
And please let me make this clear: You all are SUPERSTARS at what you do, having to do online teaching AND in person is not what any of you signed up for. It's ridiculous to ask you to do both and risk your personal safety. I get that and I fully support you all in that. I could never teach kids, it's not what I was designed to do. My apologies if anyone thought I was making it a contest, because I'm not. I do think some people enjoy spreading fear and negativity more than anyone should in this short time we have on earth and I'm tired of it, but this is new for you and you are absolutely right to be concerned. I'm totally over "potential exposure" at this point because I've been exposed countless times without full PPE but that doesn't mean I get to sit in judgement, my apologies for that sort of jaded response. I think teachers are miracle workers to be honest! If I had had to be responsible for educating my children, they'd know a little about many things and not nearly as much as they'd need to. And the poor things wouldn't have any idea how to solve a story problem. i get it. Dh is more irritated that some in the hospital seem to be relaxing rather than staying vigilant I'm not a "never leave the house" person but I still want people to take precautions
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Post by iteach3rdgrade on Aug 23, 2020 2:28:23 GMT
Until people start dying, they won't care. People ARE dying, they still don't care. Districts. We haven't had an employee die yet. Maybe it won't matter.
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Post by myshelly on Aug 23, 2020 2:33:04 GMT
People ARE dying, they still don't care. Districts. We haven't had an employee die yet. Maybe it won't matter. Our district has had employees die. Multiple people who worked together and obviously spread it to each other. The district does not care. The district has made it clear that if employees test positive they are expected back at work 3 days later.
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Post by iteach3rdgrade on Aug 23, 2020 2:37:12 GMT
After 3 days in and a super small class, I've identified areas that I need to watch because of how much I move around, change seats, grab a pen, reading glasses, get a drink of water, touch papers so I need to clean my desk. It'd be safest for me to just stay behind my desk and collect nothing. I can't imagine having 20 kids in a room barely spaced out. My class is the size of an A group if we went A/B. If I had more kids, I'd be so busy with crowd control that remember to wipe my pens or desk down could likely be forgotten. There's a large chance of exposure. One teacher could potentially take out a few staff members. We've had a janitor with it, so I suppose they were comfortable around others in the summer and didn't worry much. I've noticed some staff doing similar things in classrooms.
Kids need to sanitize on the playground before putting their masks back on. Not sure anyone has thought of that yet. Thankfully the bus drivers sanitize since the kids walk down the stairs and some touch the rails. Ew!
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Post by peanutterbutter on Aug 23, 2020 6:31:44 GMT
I think some of it to is not just fear of exposure or fear of dying, but on a very practical level just how many teachers and students can be sick at one time for the school to still run successfully? If a substantial number of staff and students to get the virus, let's face it, a number of them are going to feel very ill and definitely have to stay home. If there is a scarcity of substitutes, and the regular teachers can't come in because they are just flat out sick, never mind quarantining and exposing others,the schools still have a big problem.
Never mind the reality that the more people who catch it, the more people will indeed die.
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Post by lucyg on Aug 23, 2020 7:08:01 GMT
These are NOT analogous situations. You can't "hospital" remotely. You CAN teach/learn remotely. Which is why I said you can keep your kids home. But it's not realistic to think that everyone you ever meet hasn't been exposed. And the terror I keep reading about gets a little old. I’m not sure why you (a health care worker!) can’t seem to tell the difference between “wanting to avoid exposure to an illness that can potentially kill me, my parents, or cause permanent heart/lung damage in my kids” and “terror.” I’m not terrorized, but I’m also not an idiot. You sound like the Trump Humpers on my NextDoor who don’t want to wear masks in public because it makes them feel like pussies. They routinely accuse the rest of us of being “terrorized.” I guess it’s the ultimate right-wing insult or something. I’m sorry you have to be exposed to this virus at work. That’s why the rest of us are always calling health care workers and first responders heroes. It doesn’t mean we need to deliberately expose our children, our teachers, and by extension, their families, their children, too. Our schools are virtual for now, and I’m glad they are.
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Post by chances on Aug 23, 2020 7:08:31 GMT
Y’all what is PPE? I’ve been trying to figure it from context clues in these threads but can’t manage to. PPE is personal protection equipment... masks, shields, goggles, gloves, etc. Thank you! I can see how that would be of great concern for teachers.
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Post by SockMonkey on Aug 23, 2020 10:57:45 GMT
And please let me make this clear: You all are SUPERSTARS at what you do, having to do online teaching AND in person is not what any of you signed up for. It's ridiculous to ask you to do both and risk your personal safety. I get that and I fully support you all in that. I could never teach kids, it's not what I was designed to do. My apologies if anyone thought I was making it a contest, because I'm not. I do think some people enjoy spreading fear and negativity more than anyone should in this short time we have on earth and I'm tired of it, but this is new for you and you are absolutely right to be concerned. I'm totally over "potential exposure" at this point because I've been exposed countless times without full PPE but that doesn't mean I get to sit in judgement, my apologies for that sort of jaded response. I think teachers are miracle workers to be honest! If I had had to be responsible for educating my children, they'd know a little about many things and not nearly as much as they'd need to. And the poor things wouldn't have any idea how to solve a story problem. Thank you for clarifying, and I appreciate that. Teachers are NOT about spreading fear and negativity. We want nothing more than to be back in school, because teaching virtually is like being first year teachers all over again. Every lesson requires redesign. Teachers are spending hours upon hours to make this work (while being told at the same time that taxpayers should get refunds since parents are “doing all the teaching.”) We are just 100% used to being completely fucked over, told to deal, told to make do with what we get, told to figure it out. And we can manage that, even if we shouldn’t, when it’s not something that could kill us or our families. And now we’re being told, once again, by our president and by many people (even here) to suck it up and deal with it. Again. Teach hybrid AND online. Oh, no same pay. With some hand sanitizer and maybe one cloth mask. Maybe. We’re required to conduct contact tracing for potential exposure because it’s literally the only thing we have. There is NO testing. None. No required testing. Just... hey, maybe you have it? Honestly, I am SO tired of being called superheroes. You know what happens to superheroes in every story? The same thing that’s happening to teachers. The people need us when they need us, forget about us when they don’t, and when things aren’t perfect, they turn on us and make us the villains. We’re done being superheroes. Please treat us like humans deserving of the respect that comes with helping to raise this country’s children.
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Post by SockMonkey on Aug 23, 2020 11:27:30 GMT
I think some of it to is not just fear of exposure or fear of dying, but on a very practical level just how many teachers and students can be sick at one time for the school to still run successfully? If a substantial number of staff and students to get the virus, let's face it, a number of them are going to feel very ill and definitely have to stay home. If there is a scarcity of substitutes, and the regular teachers can't come in because they are just flat out sick, never mind quarantining and exposing others,the schools still have a big problem. Never mind the reality that the more people who catch it, the more people will indeed die. Exactly. When there aren’t any teachers left to teach, then what? We had a sub shortage as it was, and we pay very well. Most of our subs were retired teachers/older folks doing part time work. In our proposed hybrid model (to begin after Labor Day), a sub would need to come into the building (exposure), be able to run a Google Meet or Zoom (need to understand technology), and manage both in-person and online instruction, possibly for extended periods of time (length of illness could be 14-xxx days). How’s that going to work? And it’s not just teachers getting sick from COVID; what if their children just have a cold or other illness? What if they have a family member who is ill they need to attend to? Or a death in the family? A doctor’s appointment that can’t be scheduled at another time? I’m sure many of the community members who feel like teachers aren’t doing enough are getting their sub certificates and are ready to jump in, though, right? Riiiiight. If it seems like I’m angry, I am. It did not need to be like this, but our country’s response to the virus is so mismanaged and people’s attitudes and behavior are so counter to what they claim they want (school in person), I am just done.
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Post by Merge on Aug 23, 2020 13:32:52 GMT
I think some of it to is not just fear of exposure or fear of dying, but on a very practical level just how many teachers and students can be sick at one time for the school to still run successfully? If a substantial number of staff and students to get the virus, let's face it, a number of them are going to feel very ill and definitely have to stay home. If there is a scarcity of substitutes, and the regular teachers can't come in because they are just flat out sick, never mind quarantining and exposing others,the schools still have a big problem. Never mind the reality that the more people who catch it, the more people will indeed die. Exactly. When there aren’t any teachers left to teach, then what? We had a sub shortage as it was, and we pay very well. Most of our subs were retired teachers/older folks doing part time work. In our proposed hybrid model (to begin after Labor Day), a sub would need to come into the building (exposure), be able to run a Google Meet or Zoom (need to understand technology), and manage both in-person and online instruction, possibly for extended periods of time (length of illness could be 14-xxx days). How’s that going to work? And it’s not just teachers getting sick from COVID; what if their children just have a cold or other illness? What if they have a family member who is ill they need to attend to? Or a death in the family? A doctor’s appointment that can’t be scheduled at another time? I’m sure many of the community members who feel like teachers aren’t doing enough are getting their sub certificates and are ready to jump in, though, right? Riiiiight. If it seems like I’m angry, I am. It did not need to be like this, but our country’s response to the virus is so mismanaged and people’s attitudes and behavior are so counter to what they claim they want (school in person), I am just done. Sing it. I am right there with you today. Anger doesn't even begin to cover it. This all could have been avoided if our country had taken this seriously back in March.
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AnotherPea
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Post by AnotherPea on Aug 23, 2020 15:03:43 GMT
Keep this in mind...as a parent you are probably NOT going to hear about exposures via teacher or another student. Unless kids start dying (or teachers...maybe) these districts are going to keep it under wraps so as not to cause panic or anything. So if you think your kid will be fine because the schools are going to be watching out for exposure...think again. Some school districts have forbidden teachers from telling anyone they are awaiting test results or even that they’re positive. As in , you can’t tell your teacher bestie across the hall. Or friends that happen to have kids in the same school where you teach.
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