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Post by MichyM on Sept 28, 2020 5:00:19 GMT
This (I think) is my first “political” post, and I am hopeful it can just be a yes/no thing and a civilized thread, but who knows....
Anyhow, I am genuinely curious if you think the debate will actually happen on Tuesday. Especially considering today’s news (if it makes any difference to you).
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Post by mom on Sept 28, 2020 5:02:02 GMT
Yes, I do.
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Post by Gennifer on Sept 28, 2020 5:14:14 GMT
I do, as well.
Trump is a chickenshit, but he doesn’t even realize what an imbecile he is. His ego won’t allow him to cancel.
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Post by lucyg on Sept 28, 2020 5:27:33 GMT
I didn’t vote, because I really have no idea. I could see it going either way.
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Post by Really Red on Sept 28, 2020 5:28:41 GMT
Isn't it so sad that I don't know which news you're talking about? The news that Trump says Biden needs to take a drug test? The horrific choice for SCJ? The NYT article about Trump's taxes? Was there something else?
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Post by crazy4scraps on Sept 28, 2020 5:30:45 GMT
I think it would happen even if Biden was standing up there all by himself. And he might as well be, because Trump never makes any sense when he talks anyway!
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Post by MichyM on Sept 28, 2020 5:32:27 GMT
Isn't it so sad that I don't know which news you're talking about? The news that Trump says Biden needs to take a drug test? The horrific choice for SCJ? The NYT article about Trump's taxes? Was there something else? That’s why I was deliberately vague. Any and/or all of the above.
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Post by ComplicatedLady on Sept 28, 2020 5:32:31 GMT
I think the first one will happen but I have no idea what to expect. It could end abruptly, but isn’t a Fox News host moderating this first one? Chris Wallace? He may be gentler on Trump than others may be. I think it’ll start but I have no idea how or when it’ll end.
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Post by AussieMeg on Sept 28, 2020 5:43:00 GMT
I voted No, because I'm sure dimwit donny will find a way to get out of it.
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Post by gramma on Sept 28, 2020 6:17:10 GMT
Biden's camp will refuse a drug test - Trump will get his panties in a twist and say that he won't debate a suspected druggie.
GHU (God Help Us)
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Post by katlady on Sept 28, 2020 6:27:43 GMT
I think the first one will happen but I have no idea what to expect. It could end abruptly, but isn’t a Fox News host moderating this first one? Chris Wallace? He may be gentler on Trump than others may be. I think it’ll start but I have no idea how or when it’ll end. Chris Wallace is not part of the Trump cult at Fox, at least I don’t think so. He had an interview with Trump not too long ago and he didn’t let Trump get away with BSing.
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Post by katlady on Sept 28, 2020 6:29:59 GMT
Is it considered a debate or an interview if only one candidate shows up and Wallace still gives him the questions? Lol! But I am still betting that both show up.
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Post by *Marjorie* on Sept 28, 2020 7:37:48 GMT
Do you think he's asking for drug test so he has an excuse not to debate if Biden refuses? I wouldn't put it beyond him to do something like that.
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Post by silverlining on Sept 28, 2020 7:48:57 GMT
I think it will happen because Trump is not one to give up free airtime. He probably will answer every question with some variation of how awful the press is, how badly the IRS treats him, and how bad people are going to move into your neighborhood if you vote for Biden. It's been a long time since he's had to share a stage with anyone. I hope Chris Wallace is able to get him to actually answer the questions, and to stop talking when his time's up. And I hope Biden can stick to his talking points and act presidential like usual, and just let Trump show people who he is.
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Post by gar on Sept 28, 2020 7:57:46 GMT
Do you think he's asking for drug test so he has an excuse not to debate if Biden refuses? That was I thought.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Sept 28, 2020 9:46:34 GMT
I hope it goes on...I bought extra popcorn 🍿 and booze🍸 to watch the shit show!
I wouldn’t be surprised if trump doesn’t show, but I agree that his ego is too big to let him not appear. He’s the king of walking off the podium if he doesn’t like the questions. .
I also think trump is going to be looking for reasons not to have it—they’ll invent that it’s rigged, not fair, that the recent tax news was a political hit job by Biden....blah blah blah.
I think he will ramble on and on like usual, the lies, gaslighting, his mumbling vomit crap talk. It will likely becomes about hunter too—after all this news about Trumpster taxes, the trump surrogates are pounding Twitter with Hunter Biden and the money he’s made, throwing shade on information that has been disproven of any wrong doing.
I think it that trump demanding a drug test on Biden is and is reverse psych—trump really wants (and needs) Biden to refuse it, so trump can go on and claim Biden’s hiding something or on drugs. Trump knows that if Biden agrees and demands the same as trump, trump would never agree or put ridiculous conditions on having one—only to say it was rigged!
I’ve said this before—trump is king of disinformation and lies—he lives it every day. It’s how he’s gotten anything he’s ever had or done. He’s not going to stop now.
I said at the start of his run in 2015, that he was only doing the presidency thing to build up his company, deregulate so laws favor his business, gain secrets of our government so that when he was gone in 4, he’d be selling them to the highest bidder—and now my thinking has legs and a reason!
I think most everyone knows exactly how this debate will go, there won’t be anything but trumps MO of lies and more lies.
Chris Wallace does and has called trump out in interviews when he lies. But it doesn’t always go far enough. And Wallace might not push as hard because as this is not an interview, and Wallace needs to appear partisan.
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Post by peppermintpatty on Sept 28, 2020 12:36:57 GMT
I think the first one will happen but I have no idea what to expect. It could end abruptly, but isn’t a Fox News host moderating this first one? Chris Wallace? He may be gentler on Trump than others may be. I think it’ll start but I have no idea how or when it’ll end. Chris Wallace hates Trump. He is the only Fox News reporter who consistently is hard on him.
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Post by salem on Sept 28, 2020 12:42:43 GMT
I voted NO. I totally expect Trump to come up with some far fetched “emergency” that does not allow him to debate. He’s about to get blasted from every angle and that dipshit knows he’s sinking.
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Post by janeliz on Sept 28, 2020 12:45:39 GMT
I do, yes. He’s spiraling right now, but typically these spirals last only a few days and then his merry band of sycophants lift him back out of his funk.
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Post by Mel on Sept 28, 2020 13:29:38 GMT
I think it will happen and just have others have said, it will be poor little Trump-y all butthurt about the tax stuff, etc. He will spin it like he is the victim just like he always does. I want SO badly to watch it but I just don't know if I will be able to handle his voice much less actually watch his gasping, hand flailing, orange self... I HOPE that Joe stays professional and on topic so as not to give anyone a reason to say "see he IS losing it". I have a feeling that at least Wallace will watch out for Trump's bullying Biden for the reaction. Of course, no matter what happens, if he doesn't "win" this debate, his followers will be screaming from the rooftops that it was rigged, they were not fair to Trump, the questions were made to make him look bad... blah, blah, blah, blah As for the drug testing, if that actually happens... Joe has already said he has nothing to hide no reason he wouldn't "pass" one, but Trump needs to do it too.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Sept 28, 2020 13:39:47 GMT
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Post by Skellinton on Sept 28, 2020 14:01:52 GMT
I would be shocked if it didn’t. Trump doesn’t think he has done anything wrong, why would he not show up? He will spin any of the bad news to show how smart or savvy or persecuted he is depending on the topic.
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Post by sleepingbooty on Sept 28, 2020 14:10:18 GMT
As if Trump doesn't feel like he's the smarter, better candidate/American because unlike [insert Trump insult du jour] Joe, he didn't pay multiple millions in taxes. He'll be there and rambling in delusionese as usual.
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Post by casii on Sept 28, 2020 14:17:55 GMT
He'll just yell "Fake News" "Democratic Hoax" "Lock Her Up" "Witch Hunt" with irises that can be seen from space because he's so hopped up on drugs.
Too much? Welcome to Trump world.
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Post by Belle on Sept 28, 2020 14:51:52 GMT
I would be shocked if it didn’t. Trump doesn’t think he has done anything wrong, why would he not show up? He will spin any of the bad news to show how smart or savvy or persecuted he is depending on the topic. Agree 100%
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Post by scrapngranny on Sept 28, 2020 15:02:07 GMT
Im with Lucyg, I have no idea. I have given up trying to guess what the Toddler-in-Chief will do. It wouldn’t surprise me if he trumped up (pun an excuse to drop out of the debate, but he is arrogant enough to think he can gas light the masses.
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Post by maryannscraps on Sept 28, 2020 15:10:50 GMT
I saw this opinion piece in the Boston Globe the other day, and thought it was great.
Advice to presidential debate moderators: Lay down the law By Jon Keller
Will the upcoming presidential debates between President Trump and Democratic nominee Joe Biden inform the electorate about the candidates’ stamina, grasp of policy, and ability to think on their feet? Or will they be ghastly, incoherent shouting matches, generating heat but no light?
The answer may depend on the moderators, Chris Wallace of Fox News, who hosts the first debate on Tuesday, Sept. 29; Steve Scully of C-Span; and Kristen Welker of NBC News. Only Wallace has moderated a presidential debate before, in 2016.
As the moderator of numerous live TV debates for federal, state, and municipal offices over the past two decades — many of them high-stakes and contentious, such as the pivotal first Scott Brown/Elizabeth Warren showdown in 2012 and the raucous “tell your father” dust-up between Joe Kennedy and Ed Markey — here are some observations that may be useful.
Lay down the law. If you’ve ever raised a child or trained a dog, you understand that clear boundaries of behavior must be established, with consequences for violating them. Just before airtime, I always remind candidates of our rules, and explain that if they break them or otherwise ignore my directions, they risk entering my “cocoon of horror.”
No one has ever tried it, including faltering and fringe candidates for whom the debate is a last, best chance to shake up the race. If one ever does, they can expect a sharp, embarrassing rebuke and a pointed bonus question: How can you pretend to be a decent senator/governor/mayor if you can’t follow simple debate rules?
Be ready to take the heat. In this era of intense media mistrust, a confrontation between moderator and candidate will send social media into orbit. During a 2006 Massachusetts gubernatorial debate, Grace Ross of the Green Party complained that my decision to allow the two major-party candidates to engage in direct back-and-forth for extended periods was unfair. Angry Green e-mails poured in afterward, so we reviewed each candidate’s total talk time. Ross had the second-most, trailing then-Lieutenant Governor Kerry Healey by less than a minute.
In sports, the best referees are the ones no one notices, and no moderator wants to become a headline. But it seems unlikely that this year’s moderators won’t have to step in.
In the first 2016 debate, where Trump almost immediately began interjecting snide comments during Hillary Clinton’s speaking time, moderator Lester Holt did nothing, and the behavior accelerated. Wallace, Scully, and Welker should avoid repeating that mistake, even if it blows up their Twitter mentions.
Don’t make the test too easy. When moderators ask totally predictable questions that have been staples of the campaign, they encourage candidates to merely regurgitate their well-rehearsed stump speeches. Slick politicians can and will quickly pivot away from a question that surprises them, but viewers can factor that evasion into their evaluation.
Good questions needn’t be complicated. In a 2002 gubernatorial debate, I asked the candidates how much they had given to charity in the previous year. Republican nominee Mitt Romney described how he tithed 10 percent of his income to the Mormon Church and detailed other generous donations. Democratic nominee Shannon O’Brien could cite only a donation to a charity auction — lunch with herself. Edge: Romney.
How Biden and Trump react to unexpected questions this fall can offer voters valuable information, especially given the accusations of diminished capacity against both men.
Let them actually debate. Too many debates are side-by-side joint interviews, where moderators step on evolving engagement, enforce time limits too strictly, and insist on moving on to new topics just when things are getting interesting. For instance, the first and third presidential debate formats call for six 15-minute segments, presumably focusing on six different topics. But is 15 minutes enough time for a fully-realized debate about the nation’s coronavirus pandemic response, economic recovery, or climate change?
In the 2018 WBZ US Senate debate between Senator Elizabeth Warren and GOP nominee Geoff Diehl, we opened with a question about character. After a brief exchange of sharp elbows, the candidates spent close to half an hour debating health care, tax policy, social security, economic development, and trade, moving organically between topics with minimal moderator intervention.
We didn’t get in all our questions that night, but so what? If the discussion is lively and informative, why not let it breathe?
Don’t try to fact-check. Trump’s indifference to truth may make this especially frustrating, but the job of calling out candidate lies or blunders should fall to their opponent in real time and the news media afterward. Academic research shows post-debate media coverage shapes voter perceptions more than the event itself. And as presidential debate historian Alan Schroeder of Northeastern University said in an interview, “If the moderator tries to fact-check every statement that is made in the debate, then that’s all the debate becomes, a series of allegations and counterfactual evidence, and that doesn’t serve anyone.”
These are going to be long nights for the three presidential debate moderators. You might say they’re about to enter their very own cocoon of horror.
Jon Keller is the political analyst for WBZ-TV and CBSN Boston, and a columnist for MASSterList.
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Post by epeanymous on Sept 28, 2020 15:15:36 GMT
I do think it will happen. I can’t watch, however, even with a cocktail.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2020 15:29:16 GMT
I don't know, so I didn't answer. I am leaning towards no and the reason being Trump.
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Post by lizacreates on Sept 28, 2020 15:31:37 GMT
I really don’t know. I only know this - Trump cannot possibly back out of all three debates without looking like a wuss.
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