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Post by iamkristinl16 on Sept 29, 2020 22:34:35 GMT
My 6th grader is really struggling academically right now. His school is on a hybrid system and he is in school two days a week. Last spring, he struggled a little bit as well but it seemed like he didn't know what he was supposed to be doing or wasn't clear on instructions and where to find learning materials. He and his friends seemed to be rushing through their work so they could meet up online. This year they are on a zoom call for each class. I thought this year would be better because the school supposedly went through the distance learning info the first week, and since he is in school in person two days, that he would feel more comfortable asking for help if needed. But, last week I looked at his grades (they started the week after Labor Day but he only had one day that week) he had a bad grade on a math assignment. The other grades were alright, but could be better. I told him that if he needed help he should ask one of us or his teacher. That night, he asked for help on a math assignment. I asked if there was a book or something to look at and he said there was a video. We worked through the problems and he seemed to be able to understand it.
I just checked his grades again and they are horrible. I haven't talked to him or DH about this yet but my thoughts are to take away phone and video games during the school day. I am not sure if he is having a hard time paying attention during the calls or what.
At this point, I am looking for any suggestions on what others have done to help with distance learning and study skills. Also, what steps should we/he take with the teachers to see if any of the work can be re-done to get a better grade and also hopefully understand the work more clearly?
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Post by sam9 on Sept 29, 2020 23:06:24 GMT
Sorry I can't help you, but I wanted to let you know that you should count your blessings. My kids have been in face-to-face school for over a month now, no other options available, and it's turning into a nightmare. Every day at least five or six kids, per class, are missing because of a sniffle or something similar. All courses are being taught in "intensive" mode in the hope that if schools are forced to close that at least kids will have some base to fall back on. The problem with that is that if a kid misses one or two days, it's almost impossible to catch up. My kids haven't missed a day yet, but their schools are a huge mess and my older son's (14, grade 9) school has a group out self-quarantining pending test results.
Yesterday, my stupid province (the most stupid province in Canada) announced that we are on red alert because of increasing cases. As a result, all restaurants and bars are closed (except for takeout) and no one who doesn't live in our homes is allowed to visit, either indoors or out, for a month. However, and here's the kick, schools will remain open no matter what.
We are not a rich province and I think the big problem is accessibility to technology, hence the butthead stance on in person school. I understand that all children are entitled to an equal education experience and at this point I'm good with just cancelling the entire school year. I am so discouraged.
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Post by iteach3rdgrade on Sept 29, 2020 23:21:41 GMT
When you find the answer, let me know. We've chosen Virtual Learning with a program through the school. Going to be a long year. My son is doing ok but everything is graded and that's tough since we don't do that in school. I can only help at night. I need to start printing passages if I can because dislikes looking things up on e-books. His sleep schedule is awful.
I'd ask to redo work. Online, my son will get work sent back to correct. It helps. He rushes through to get game time and unfortunately he isn't sitting next to an adult all day. Some subjects require more interaction with and adult than what a video allows.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Sept 29, 2020 23:23:01 GMT
sam9 that stinks. Our school is currently in person for grades K-5 so my youngest is in school full-time. My older three are hybrid (6, 10 and 12 grades). The older two have always done well in school and did not require us to do much in regards to keeping up with schoolwork or helping with homework. The younger two are going to be a different story, I Think. Although the 6th grader was doing well before distance learning last year. I think those two both have a hard time focusing as it is, then add in zoom classes and it is not good. I am home at times but do work as well so can't be on top of DS for his classes all day.
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Post by sam9 on Sept 29, 2020 23:38:54 GMT
iamkristinl16 I have a niece and nephew that are both virtual - one in college and one in university (brother and sister). My niece is really doing well online and loves it. My nephew, who is in architecture, super passionate, is struggling. He hates online. He lives for the occasional in person lab. So much is dependent on personality and learning style. I feel like crying every day. I can handle every single restriction personally, it's the kids who are having the hardest time.
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Post by johnnysmom on Sept 30, 2020 0:02:40 GMT
I have no advice but I sympathize with you. I'm so, so glad my 4th grader is back in school full time, he's smart and above grade level in most areas but I swear he'd fail if he had to do it all online, especially if he didn't have someone who could sit next to him and keep him on track all day. I don't know how parents and teachers do it. I do think it's ok to reach out to his teacher for advice or to ask if he could redo some work, especially since it's early in the year. Also, you say he had one bad grade then his grades went to horrible....I'm not sure what that means but do make sure you're giving him some grace, just because he could easily get an A in traditional school a C might not be all that bad while he's adjusting to this new normal.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Sept 30, 2020 0:14:03 GMT
I have no advice but I sympathize with you. I'm so, so glad my 4th grader is back in school full time, he's smart and above grade level in most areas but I swear he'd fail if he had to do it all online, especially if he didn't have someone who could sit next to him and keep him on track all day. I don't know how parents and teachers do it. I do think it's ok to reach out to his teacher for advice or to ask if he could redo some work, especially since it's early in the year. Also, you say he had one bad grade then his grades went to horrible....I'm not sure what that means but do make sure you're giving him some grace, just because he could easily get an A in traditional school a C might not be all that bad while he's adjusting to this new normal. He had a D- on an assignment in math early last week. The day I told him to ask for help if he needed it, he did ask for help and got an A on that assignment. Every assignment since then has been an F. Some he either didn't get any questions right or they were incomplete (but not on a missing assignment list). He also has an F in social studies and C's in Science and LA. There are no grades posted for theatre. I personally know his math teacher so I did email her and asked if she could call me tomorrow to talk. I'm going to talk to DS more in depth tonight and try to figure out what will help him.
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Post by breetheflea on Sept 30, 2020 0:26:35 GMT
If you figure it out, let me know. We are 100% virtual and DS is in 6th grade and had two parents at home (ok one is working from home) and we can't keep up and that is with an adult listening in on every class...
Some of it is ADHD, some of it is hearing "he's just R----" all through elementary school, part is he's 11 and I should have waited a year before he started kindergarten... we're a mess.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Sept 30, 2020 0:38:11 GMT
I just talked with ds about his grades and he started crying, saying “I can’t do anything online.” When asked to specify, he said it is too hard to lay attention.
I’m not only worried that he isn’t learning the material that he needs to learn, but that this will negatively affect his self-esteem and attitude towards school.
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Post by Merge on Sept 30, 2020 0:49:36 GMT
Have you tried asking his teachers what their take is? They can probably give you a good idea how engaged he is during class.
Also, it’s very possible he and his friends are using private chat in Zoom to play around instead of paying attention. We use Teams, so I’m not sure what Zoom’s capabilities are, but it was so bad for us that the district shut all Teams chat down.
And of course, he can also be texting with them or using social media on his phone. I’d definitely take that away during school hours. My teacher/mom ears hear his statement that he can’t pay attention online as a backwards way of telling you that his friends are blowing up the chat and he doesn’t want to miss out.
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Post by johnnysmom on Sept 30, 2020 1:04:45 GMT
I just talked with ds about his grades and he started crying, saying “I can’t do anything online.” When asked to specify, he said it is too hard to lay attention. I’m not only worried that he isn’t learning the material that he needs to learn, but that this will negatively affect his self-esteem and attitude towards school. Poor guy ☹️ Given his grades he definitely needs something to change, hopefully the teachers will have some ideas. Where does he do his work? I’m thinking if he’s on the couch or in bed or in the same room as his brothers perhaps he’s getting too relaxed or distracted. Do you have a spot where he can have a small desk or table yet not be totally isolated in his room where there are other distractions.
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Post by Linda on Sept 30, 2020 1:05:33 GMT
((((Hugs))) and prayers - virtual is HARD. Mine (8th grade) was doing okay academically but was on the computer from 815-530/630 every day (school day is 900-330) and was just exhausted. We switched to homeschooling right as progress reports were coming out (so half-way into first quarter)
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Post by CeeScraps on Sept 30, 2020 1:23:55 GMT
I have a suggestion, but I’ll tell you up front I haven’t used it. My brother who teaches and my nephew that teaches recommends to the kids that are struggling in Math to look at Kahn Academy. It’s supposed to be a really good resource.
Maybe play around in there and become familiar with it before you have your son look at it. That way you could guide him a bit. It would help more if you can tell what issue he is struggling with. That would also narrow it down within Kahn.
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Post by malibou on Sept 30, 2020 1:34:12 GMT
Wow, tough call. It's hard because some can do online learning fine and others don't and there is just no guessing which kid you have.
I would definitely keep his phone during class time. I know you work, but would it be possible to just sit with him thru each of his classes over a weeks time to see what is going on? Do you think he is not understanding the material or is it a focus problem? If he is not understanding, is it possible to get workbooks that could help him? What about one of the two older boys helping him?
Is 6th grade middle school for him? I fucking hated middle school when Ds was there. I never was able to figure out what the problem was, but it was miserable across the board. Prior to that he had been a really good student. As he started highschool, he wound up in the classes that were all below college prep. Fortunately his math teacher (pre allgebra) caught on immediately that something was off and that Ds was in the wrong class. She tried to get him switched, but they insisted my kid was properly placed. She called me and asked about what happened. I explained and she asked to teach him geometry on the side. Most of his other teachers also came to realize he was not placed properly. In 10th grade, all of his previous teachers stepped up with recommendations for classes and his counselor agreed. In 10th grade Ds had all honours classes and got straight As. From there he took loads of AP and IB classes. He graduated with a 3.75. Middle school sucked.
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Post by Lori McMud on Sept 30, 2020 1:42:34 GMT
I just talked with ds about his grades and he started crying, saying “I can’t do anything online.” When asked to specify, he said it is too hard to lay attention. I’m not only worried that he isn’t learning the material that he needs to learn, but that this will negatively affect his self-esteem and attitude towards school. I am in MN too. My kid is in 11th grade and is failing miserably. I think your son hit the nail on the head. Sitting at home there are too many distractions. Run to the kitchen for a snack. Wander to the bathroom etc. My son has add and doesn’t like school in the best of times and not being in school everyday has been a disaster. My husband and I both work full time and can’t stay home with him.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Sept 30, 2020 2:49:33 GMT
@merge that is a good point about the chats. I will have to ask about that. I just sat with him and walked him through two social studies assignments. They were about government, so that was actually interesting given the debate was starting. I turned it off, though. Too distracting and annoying. My older two say that they have a harder time concentrating online as well (and I do when I am in zoom meetings, too) but they are doing well in classes so far. Hopefully it stays that way. My youngest is having a hard time with comprehension this year as well (not fully reading and following the instructions on worksheets, etc) and I really, really hope they don't have to go to hybrid or distance learning. He definitely does not work independently.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2020 3:50:18 GMT
Just here to say you are not alone. We had a virtual back to school tonight and parents are really struggling. All so many different concerns! My daughter is perfectionist and so stressed we have about 3 mental breakdowns a week. I emailed the social worker to find out the policy on switching to easier classes. She asked for an extension on one paper but it is just day after day and no relief in sight. The teachers want the students to ask them directly if having problems but few kids are mini-adults. I feel like she is in college in terms of responsibilty but 8 hours 5 days a week of class.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Sept 30, 2020 4:35:56 GMT
We’ve had a few bumps, but overall it has gone fairly well for us. My kid wanted to do 100% online though and we sort of had a come to Jesus meeting before school started too where I told her she wasn’t allowed to play any games or use her iPad for videos or FaceTime until her schoolwork was done each day and that has worked out so far.
They have Zoom meetings in the morning, for LA and for math daily with her main teacher, plus she has a separate breakout Zoom for band once a week. The other classes mostly just have assignments via Seesaw where they have a video to watch, some stuff to do, etc.
Her teacher has been fabulous with keeping the kids on track and making sure they are engaged and paying attention. There have been a few times where DD has needed more help, and I have encouraged her to contact the teacher by phone or email to ask for help or more clarification. At first she hesitated but I explained that it’s her teacher’s JOB to make sure she and her classmates understand what it is they need to do. The times DD has reached out, the teacher has been really great about it and now she will ask right away instead of waiting or trying to figure things out on her own.
Yesterday was a bit of a ride on the struggle bus because DD didn’t want to read from the online book selections provided earlier in the day and chose to read her own book at home instead, but that meant that later in the day she still had to read from the provided online content on top of doing a slew of math problems and she was feeling a little overwhelmed. But today it went much better. We talked about it some and she did her required reading when she was supposed to, so there was less on her plate at the end of the day and therefore less stress.
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Post by paigepea on Sept 30, 2020 12:23:37 GMT
I think that your ds has shown you he can do the work if he has someone working through it with him. I also think he’s shown you that he isn’t someone who will easily ask for help from his teachers. Perhaps it’s because of the on line situation or perhaps this is the type of student he’s becoming based on the on line situation - our gov’f has cited studies showing that during pandemics in the past, with schools shut down, kids caught up in it have regressed as far as study skills and motivation. I’d say either make the commitment to sit with him daily to check in with homework - since he isn’t getting this at school daily he may need it at home. I know you have 4 boys so this might not be possible. It might be worth it to hire a tutor to spend an hour a day with him going over assignments. Gr 6 is still young. He should be developing organization and study skills this year but perhaps hybrid school isn’t the best way for these skills to develop.
I feel for all kids. I’m lucky my girls are in full time school but other schools here (larger schools that couldn’t accommodate all of the students together) are hybrid. My girls’ friends in these situations complain bitterly that not enough learning is happening, they’re hardly with the class teacher, and that it isn’t engaging. It doesn’t sound like a ‘best practices’ situation for good learning. It sounds necessary for Covid but that’s it.
Is your school allowing any gr 6 students full time school access. Here, when things shut down in the spring, any student considered at risk could still attend full time school. I’d say failing courses is considered at risk, at least until they can get him on track.
ETA - when my dd (Gr 6 last year) was full time on line last spring, her phone connection with her friends was invaluable. I’d go to her room when she was meant to be doing school work and her FaceTime would be on. She’d have a friend doing work at the same tine and they’d be talking about it. Perhaps discuss phone use in this way and limit gaming to weekends after homework is done and has been shown to you for approval. If that doesn’t work take the phone away during the week days too.
Maybe pick a friend he works well with and have that friend on FaceTime during homework time. They don’t even have to be doing the same work at the same time. It’s almost like moral support. I think in your room all day by yourself you can feel like no one else has to sit there and do homework.
Also, I’d make your ds go through an assignment check list - check directions / did I follow directions. Check rubric / did I meet expectations for the highest goals of the rubric. What is something I can improve on before handing it in. Then have you check it against the rubric. He’ll eventually get used to doing these things before handing anything in and he won’t need you to check it.
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Post by Basket1lady on Sept 30, 2020 13:43:20 GMT
I haven’t had to deal with virtual learning directly, as my kids are in college. But I can say that DS really struggled in MS and he didn’t have the added challenge of learning from home. But I can share some of the strategies that we used.
DS is incredibly smart. Scary smart. So I knew that he could do the work. But he just didn’t apply himself and work to overcome the immature tendencies of elementary school where the teachers were directly involved with time management, turning in assignments, and such.
Our first rule was absolutely all assignments had to be completed and turned in. DS was horrible about turning in his homework. He would do it, but “forget” to turn it in. And then would say that there wasn’t a point to turning it in late because he wouldn’t get any points. I didn’t care, as the point was to learn, not get the grades (surrre...!). But I was hoping that he would decide that if he had to do the work, he may as well turn it in.
Secondly, I didn’t allow any TV shows or (console in those days) video games durning the week. Once he got better turning in assignments, I allowed 30 minutes a day and used a timer to enforce that. I also had a rule that they couldn’t do any homework for about 45 minutes after they got home from school. They had a snack and jumped on the trampoline most days. I just felt like they needed a bit of a break before starting up again.
Thirdly, I provided A LOT of support. DS did his homework at the kitchen table while I made dinner. I had him work in 30 minute increments and would set a timer. There were no snacks, bathroom breaks, getting up for water, etc during that time. He was usually done in those 30 minutes 75% of the time because he was actually really good about working during as class time given.
After DS started turning in assignments, we then worked on doing more than the bare minimum. He was just slapping projects together to get them done, but that wasn’t getting the grades that he needed. (He was in a highly academic school.)
It did get better but he would also slip up. He just didn’t have the maturity to keep it up on his own. He doesn’t have Asperger’s, so that was part of it. And he was in a new school district where the other kids had been working on their independence leading up to MS. And he really needed a lot of support from me in the following years. We looked at his work load, broke tasks down into manageable chunks, argued, nagged, threatened... but in the end, it was up to him to decide what he wanted. It was a lot of two steps forward and one step back. And his teachers encouraged us to let him fail a few times, just for us (and home) to see how he was doing.
I’m not going to lie. It was a ton of my time to keep him moving. And I was a SAHM, so I had the time to devote to him. DH was a Squadron Commander at that time, so he wasn’t home a lot. It was hard to keep DS motivated and focused without him becoming completely demoralized. But by the time DS entered HS, he was a very independent student. He graduated HS Magna cum laude and entered college 4 credits short of being a sophomore. He graduated college in 4 years and is now in grad school. But in the end, DS had to want it for himself. He has said how grateful he is for the support, so at least I have that!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2020 13:52:29 GMT
Here are some idea to throw out there to his site and teacher:
1. Is his site offering any covid support tutoring? If not ask if an additional class could be added (my kids and dh's districts both offer that)
2. Would having his screen facing away during lecture help with concentration?
3. Are the lessons on line recorded for him to watch again?
4. Does his teacher have office hours to be able to ask for clarification?
5. Can he have supervised study time with friends?
6. Is there any on site tutoring?
7. Does the screen hurt his eyes? Is there too much chatter? Maybe ask the teacher if all kids could mute
8. Ask teacher for other resources for lesson to help.
If he watches Kahn academy I get why it is hard.
Dd is 17 and her phone is in my room until school and homework is done.
Video game systems are downstairs and she can play after school/homework.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2020 14:01:20 GMT
Also if his teacher doesnt have google classroom schedule ask if that can be posted.
Dh uses slides to have the weeks agenda, lessons (with hyper links), links to his video lessons, link to period 6 support class, ect.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Sept 30, 2020 14:12:48 GMT
paigepea I am not sure if they have options for full-time school for struggling students. I assume so, but I would also assume that it is only for kids with IEP's. But, I will ask about that when I talk to his teacher this morning.
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Post by nepean on Sept 30, 2020 18:38:27 GMT
My kids have been in a hybrid school for the past 13 years (DD graduated, DS1 9th grade and DS2 7th grade). Our elementary (K-6) school is 2 days a week in school and 3 at home following the teachers lesson plan. Then our secondary (7-12) is 3 days a week at school, and 2 at home following the teachers lesson plans. The student are required to turn in work on their school days, from their home days, and test and quizzes are taken at school.....most of the time)
Grace is definitely necessary during the transition period. It is so different to "normal" school, but in our case, over the 13 years our kids have thrived. That is not to say there have not been hard days and seasons. My youngest son is struggling in math so far in 7th grade, but it will get better. Some days we all want to tear our hair out!
With that said, here is what helps us: (keep in mind, this is what I have found works for us, it may not work for everyone)
We keep the same schedule no matter the day of the week and not matter the location of schooling that day.
Each kid has their space for work at home. Don't get legalistic about this, do what works for your family. Over the years, we have used the dining table, desks in their rooms, the couch, the table outside.
This one is HUGE for my kids; turn OFF all notifications on their phone(if they have one) and their computer. A few years ago I was in my son's room helping him with some school work, and the computer kept dinging to notify of a new message in the google chats. It was so distracting! I had him turn off the notifications and it was SO much better!!
Our rule is, school work first, then playtime. Though we do takes breaks outside as needed during the day.
Sometimes it is hard when they are at school to remember what needs to be turned in. My kids use a binder, with tabs for each subject. They use the Avery two pocket big tab dividers. (These are my favorite because they are durable, and it helps keep them organized) All current work for the subject goes behind the correct tab, and any work that needs to be turned in goes in the pocket of the tab. Hopefully that makes sense.
Communication is critical in hybrid schools. As a 6th grader, they should be learning to email their teacher using positive language. When my kids were younger(5th, 6th grade), and needed to email their teacher, I had them write the email, but have me check it first, to make sure it was clear, kind and positive. I think this is a vital skill as they prepare to go to college and beyond that, into the work force. Many times my kids have emailed their teacher, to clarify something, and the teacher has always helped them as needed.
I am around on their homedays, but I don't hover over them. This is dependent on the age and needs of the student though. I am usually working, but they can call me if they have a question, or they need help understanding something.
With younger students I check over their work when they are done to make sure they did everything they were supposed to do. My youngest was in 6th grade last year, and while I didn't check his work for accuracy, I did check for completion. On home days it can be easy for students to overlook something in their rush to be done. Most days it would take me 15-30 minutes to look over the lesson plans (check list) and verify it was all done. Youngest son is in 7th grade and I still check his work on homedays for completion, he has been known to forget small things. As they get older I gradually stop this check, if they start dropping balls again, I restart checking their work, eventually they learn.
I started by say grace is needed, and I'll end with that too. We are all dealing with these uncertain time in different ways, and things I may not have let slide academically in the past, I am giving grace on now. The most important thing to me is that my child feels safe and encouraged. I say all the time, I am not be kids co-teacher, home guide, whatever title suits your situation, I am their cheerleader, encouraging them that they can do this.
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Post by RosieKat on Sept 30, 2020 18:45:37 GMT
I have a 6th grader in 100% virtual learning. (We can opt for in person, but they are keeping the kids in pods of 5 for the entire school day and the kids still only attend their classes virtually - so the only benefit to a student attending in person is babysitting. All of the risk, none of the benefits.) Anyway, he also has a super difficult time paying attention, particularly in the classes he doesn't just naturally like. I have taken to sitting in the same room with him the entire time as if I am his 1-on-1 aide. It helps. It also helps because he is a social person who simply doesn't like being alone. As far as rushing through the work to have online time or video game time, he is allowed online time or some TV during lunch but no video games as those are just too hard to quit for him. I try to make the free time as unappealing as possible while still understanding he needs a break. I don't know that any of this is the best approach, and sitting with him all day is not always doable even for me as a SAHM with chores and errands and a flexible part time job, but just sharing what we're doing. I feel you.
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