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Post by katlady on Sept 30, 2020 0:25:10 GMT
As others have already posted - increase in taxes, less deductible, higher cost of imports. Also, I am a minority. The increased activity from white supremacy groups scares me! He has encouraged them and emboldened them to act out. Trump has even banned companies that have government contracts from having diversity training.
There are so many other things that he has done or is trying to do that don’t impact me directly, but I still care about those issues and the people that it does affect.
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Post by Crack-a-lackin on Sept 30, 2020 0:30:23 GMT
I think you’re being short sighted to say this hasn’t affected you. Maybe you don’t see the changes in your bank account right now, but the repercussions will be felt for years in the environment, in education, in social programs.
Personally, my company profit has suffered with the tariffs, and our customers have to pay more as a result. Food prices have gone up.
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Post by epeanymous on Sept 30, 2020 0:36:51 GMT
The mishandling of COVID caused me to lose all of my consulting work (it was in-person work) and the lost university revenue means that my retirement benefits are being slashed. Also, having to supervise at-home learning while trying to do a full-time job is taking a major toll on both my mental and physical health (I have the worst insomnia I have had in decades).
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Post by smalltowngirlie on Sept 30, 2020 0:39:36 GMT
I think you’re being short sighted to say this hasn’t affected you. Maybe you don’t see the changes in your bank account right now, but the repercussions will be felt for years in the environment, in education, in social programs. Personally, my company profit has suffered with the tariffs, and our customers have to pay more as a result. Food prices have gone up. That is why I am asking. If I only cared about how it affected me I would not start a conversation like this. I want and need to see more. When having a serious talk with friends about politics, I don’t like talking generals and many will dismiss stats because numbers can be manipulated, you know fake news and all.
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Post by cumber1137 on Sept 30, 2020 0:39:51 GMT
Among a lot of other things you ladies have said I have experienced and increase of racism and feeling less safe due to the color of my skin.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2020 0:47:19 GMT
Other than the tax changes, I can't think of any direct affect.
However, his approach to the pandemic is affecting us and everyone in some way - unemployment, illness, death. The pandemic is causing a major slow down at DH's work. While he has a major project this week and construction is starting soon which means adjustments and site visits, there are no other major projects coming up. He's updating his resume and replying to head hunters for the first time in over 5 years. He's worried about being laid off as he's the one with the least time in his department.
I worry about the ACA. If pre-existing conditions aren't covered, we could be screwed.
As for previous presidencies, Bush Jr sent DH to war. Obama's presidency put a Justice on the SC that ruled in favor of gay marriage which allowed my aunt to finally get married at 60.
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Post by twinsmomfla99 on Sept 30, 2020 1:04:03 GMT
No Covid? But that's HUGE. Why is it an issue of its own? Because I know he handled it poorly. I also do not think one policy should have been for across the US, I think individual states should have led the way to do what was best for their states. COVID was going to have a huge impact no matter who was POTUS. I also feel for COVID there is a lot of personal responsibility people need to take and I know his example was one many followed, and it sucked, but many also took it very seriously. Individual states had no chance when it came to PPE. Trump had the power to redirect manufacturing to produce additional supplies, but he didn't. He had the power to make sure supplies that we had early in the pandemic were distributed to states that were expected to be hit hardest, but instead, supplies were being shipped to China. He set states against each other in bidding wars for PPE, and if a state was lucky enough to win the bid, the federal government frequently swooped in at the last minute and confiscated the deliveries at the airport. And you have to go back to the very beginning of his presidency when he refused to take a pandemic threat seriously, probably for no other reason than the fact that Obama's pandemic team did the briefing. This petty, shortsighted attitude is the number one reason we were caught flat-footed in January. The signs were there in the fall--even a half-assed attempt to follow the pandemic playbook would have had a huge effect on preparedness and response. So yes, the pandemic has had a huge impact on all of us, and responsibility for the severity of that impact lies with Trump. No, he did not cause it, but name one thing he did that made a significant difference in the spread. Even his travel ban was woefully inadequate. It did not ban all travel to/from China, and it did not cover other regions that were spiking at the time. It was like using a band aid to treat a gushing wound when we needed a tourniquet.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2020 1:13:41 GMT
Our taxes went up, deductions gone. I am part of a refugee support group for a Syrian family whose arrival in the US on January 20, 2017 was stopped (at the airport!) and then delayed by his immigration bans, some of which continue today. We sweated their green cards because of his racist green card policies. These are good people who escaped a war-torn nation for the safety of the family. At his bidding Betsy DeVos revoked an Obama-era policy that gave better protections for campus victims of sexual assault. This makes me nervous for female descendants. www.Washington post.com/education/2020/08/14/betsy-devoss-controversial-new-rule-campus-sexual-assault-goes-into-effect/ In September 2019, the Trump administration replaced the Obama-era Clean Power Plan with the Affordable Clean Energy rule. This affects my health and that of my descendants. His withdrawal from the Paris Climate Accord endangers the planet on which I and my descendants live. His vilification of NATO and our allies makes me and my descendants less safe. His environmental policies have also threatened our national parks, ordering the largest reduction of public lands protections in U.S. history. Favoring energy over protection. We visit and vacation in our national parks regularly and it will affect me if logging and drilling continue, not to mention (again) clean water. www.npca.org/articles/1716-2017-in-review-the-trump-administration-s-10-worst-actions-for-parksHis packing the SC with nominees promising to overturn women’s protections will affect my future descendants. His policies promise pro-birth but do nothing for the health and welfare of the born. His name calling and constant lying make me, DH and our children keep repeating to teen grandchild (who is very interested in politics) that name calling and lying IS NOT moral or decent. That we still believe people are good despite the disgusting middle fingers and hatred this teen sees when he tries to watch the news. And, yes, president’s lie. That doesn’t make it true or right. I won’t respond to challenges or requests for sources.
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Post by scrapngranny on Sept 30, 2020 1:33:13 GMT
All of Trump’s lying has affected my mental health.
If he is re-elected and does do away with Social Security, we will be in deep shit financially.
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Post by psiluvu on Sept 30, 2020 1:35:33 GMT
How can you say nothing he has done has affected you. I am not even American and he has affected me.
He has normalized, racism, lying, cheating treating women like crap, nepotism and the list goes on. He has allowed the underbelly of society to comfortably crawl out from under their rocks.
His policies will affect health and climate policies worldwide and for years to come.
He has made the US, who was once a great and respected world leader a complete laughing stock with most other nations in the world.
I can't even imagine what his health care policies are going to do to the average middle class household
Oh and there there is that little matter of 200K+ dead
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Post by chaosisapony on Sept 30, 2020 1:40:41 GMT
White, mid 30s, working class person here. I'd say really the only impact I've experienced directly is the messing about with taxes. You get a few bucks more on your pay check, but you can't deduct your mortgage interest anymore. I remember when the tax cut was being talked about and they said we wouldn't see the full impact of it until several years down the line when supposedly taxes on the middle class were going to jump up a huge amount. I'm worried about that.
Also on a personal impact note, socially this presidency has torn my friends and family apart moreso than anything in the past. It's sad. Whether it's this year or in 4 more years, I can't wait for the day we get someone that hopefully is more of a moderate that will work on uniting us, not dividing us further.
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Post by whipea on Sept 30, 2020 1:56:07 GMT
Consequences; taxes, divisiveness, violence due to political affiliation.
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Post by edie3 on Sept 30, 2020 2:36:17 GMT
As strongly as I am anti trump, my DH is that strongly for him. It has caused division in our marriage. My DH is better than this. I don't understand.
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Post by MissBianca on Sept 30, 2020 2:51:49 GMT
Higher taxes, less deductions, my husband can’t do part of his job because we can’t travel to our office in Ireland, my nephew and nieces are targeted with racism more, I’ve lost friends over his policies, we are considering packing up and leaving my elderly dad behind to move to another country (my dad doesn’t qualify to immigrate to another country), I’m embarrassed to be an American.
That’s just the stuff off the top of my head.
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Post by elaine on Sept 30, 2020 2:51:59 GMT
And Trump’s clearest message tonight in the debate was that he supports White Supremacy and Supremacists.
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Post by pattyraindrops on Sept 30, 2020 2:52:42 GMT
Sort of. I do a lot of work with refugees coming into the country (I help gather donations from the community and set up apartments for those coming in mostly). The president decides the maximum refugees that will be allowed into the country. President Trump has very much dropped the cap during his term. So for me that means fewer apartment setups.
But it really doesn't matter about me. It's those refugees that have experienced horrible things and need somewhere safe to live that matter.
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Post by candleangie on Sept 30, 2020 3:05:28 GMT
Middle class white woman in oregon.
His acceptance/embracing of intolerance has created chaos in my city and given it a bad rap nation-wide. And while it’s not even remotely as bad here as he and the news outlets are making it out to be, my kids (all in their 20s) now have to think twice (or several times) before then get on a bus and head through Portland after dark. Portland has always been a relatively safe place to go adventuring and it’s heart breaking to see that gone.
His tax plan has doubled our taxes.
His back pedaling of the affordable care act has taken away the safety net that means that my sons chronic condition will never cause him to be excluded from medical coverage.
His tariffs have directly increased the prices at the store I work for, a locally owned business with a few locations, making it more difficult to compete with the big box stores and making my job less secure.
Etc etc etc.
If you think he has not directly affected you, you aren’t looking close enough.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2020 3:15:10 GMT
He has made me a citizen of a democracy in decline. A democracy where the rule of law applies to the poor, but not the rich. Where the emoluments clause means nothing. Where the President profits in his private business by his and his staffs' and his world toadies' stays at his private clubs. He has made my country less safe - with people stressed from morning until night - when we have the technology and the money to be living in a MORE peaceful country, but he has made it a LESS peaceful country. He has moved the courts closer to a theocracy and one that rules in favor of profits over people's needs.
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Post by Eddie-n-Harley on Sept 30, 2020 3:30:48 GMT
I am not seeing any real tax cut. I get a refund now but that's only because I increased my withholding when his tax plan took effect so I wouldn't be on the hook for hundreds come April.
I can't not mention COVID. It's pretty difficult for individual states to develop plans on how to combat a pandemic when the federal government whose job it is to monitor that sort of thing is hell bent on obfuscating the available data. Also, my (Democratic) governor tried to do something with a shelter in place order. The (Republican) legislature, emboldened by the increased partisanship in this country, took him to court and the right-leaning supreme court struck down the governor's plan. I am 100% certain that if Trump had said "shelter in place," the legislature would have been the one to enact the measure.
Because of COVID, my colleagues and I now mostly work from home. IT had to scramble to get us remote access to our servers. We had to expedite our internal transition to an electronic system. I had to buy some extra equipment and furniture to get a halfway decent home set up. It was not cheap, but it was also an unplanned expense. And collaborating by email is hard.
Also because of COVID, my grocery store bill has doubled. My summer vacation trip was rescheduled to December and will probably be rescheduled again or canceled. I've become even more of a homebody than I was, because I can't go sit in the coffee shop all afternoon.
My dad had to put off cancer surgery because of the precautions hospitals were taking (I mean, his surgeons wouldn't even schedule it). His post-surgery result is not terrible, but it's also not the greatest, and he can't help but wonder if it would have been different had he been able to get the surgery when it was supposed to happen versus when it did.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2020 3:36:48 GMT
My friend's dad just died of cancer. Her dad was a good old boy, her mom hates trump. The last days of his life this poison came between them and affected both of them and their children so much. Families are breaking up and civility has declined. My coworker who is African American probably needs meds at this point to deal with the stress and my other coworker cannot stop obsessing about how bad things are. My kids are incredulous that this man is our president and rebuilding our nation's relationships will be a long term project. My daughter or someone's daughters may have to seek illegal abortions and continue to live in a world where school shootings are accepted.
The medical system and law enforcement are being eroded by neglect and politicization. I heard from a police officer that most senior officers plan to retire asap. All these have serious and long term consequences.
The mishandling of covid means I will make at least 20% less this year which is minor but real. My dim hope that people will be vaccinated has been dashed as trump seeks to politicize that as well. So 2021 might mean a job change for me.
My blood pressure is higher despite losing weight due to stress. I have felt that stress since 2016.
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Post by PLurker on Sept 30, 2020 3:43:32 GMT
As strongly as I am anti trump, my DH is that strongly for him. It has caused division in our marriage. My DH is better than this. I don't understand. I'm so sorry. I literally just told someone that if I wasn't divorced for other reasons, I would be for this. We have two children that could both be very adversely affected for different reasons by this idiot in office and their father still stands by him. One of said children texted him asking that he please not vote for trump as 45 doesn't believe they should have same rights as others, much less the right to live. He still stands with trump. I would have lost my mind by now. And been gone. By no means am I saying your husband is anything like my ex, nor am I telling you anything to do with your marriage. I just know my ex, how he'd be and how it would be the straw that broke this camels back. I guess I just have hugs to offer along with my understanding and sympathy.
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Post by hop2 on Sept 30, 2020 3:47:34 GMT
Not emotional: Small businesses all around me, ones I liked, have been closing down because Trump’s economy ( Wall Street - Fortune 500 ) is not Main Street’s economy. No the cash does not trickle down. It doesn’t. It just concentrates itself in the top.
Emotional: I’ve experience direct discrimination, out ward, open, public, discrimination. More open discrimination than I’ve experienced in more than 25 years. I want to once again live in a world where that’s not okay to do in public in front of people. Where a racist isn’t going to have anyone cheer them on, much less the supposed president of the country. I want to live in a world again where it’s not okay to comment in the line at the grocery store to the random person behind you, that it’s ok the people who were just killed were ‘just’ this or that ‘hated’ group. No one should feel comfortable enough to say things like that. No one should feel comfortable enough in the grocery line to say ‘it’s ok 11 people were just murdered they were *just jews*’ or just blacks or just gay or just insert group here. No one is ‘just’ anything, they are mothers & fathers & sons & daughter & cousins & friends & grandparents & mentors & PEOPLE. No one should feel comfortable to say that out loud in public
I want to feel secure that my constitutional rights are actually there Protecting me when I peacefully protest someone being hateful to my child
Trump & friends can go fuck off and crawl back under rocks. Hillary was wrong, deplorable is too good for this lot.
I want to spend a day without rage inside me again.
I just want to live in a society where protecting those around you is important and not made into a political stick. Where people care enough for the people around them even if it’s a small inconvenience they’ll do what they need to protect those they come into contact with.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Sept 30, 2020 3:59:41 GMT
For us it has meant higher taxes, fewer deductions, higher materials costs for DH’s business because almost all of the parts are manufactured in China and the tariffs have caused prices to jump so our profits took a hit initially before we were forced to raise the prices we charge our customers. Trump has caused the lunches my kid ate at school to be potentially less healthy or nutritious. His environmental rollbacks will affect air and water quality, and could potentially affect some of the most pristine natural areas in my state (BWCA, etc.).
His picks for the Supreme Court could mean the reversal of the ACA which would absolutely affect us, and all of the chaos already surrounding Trump’s trying to knock it down caused several of the health insurance providers in our area to back out of our state’s exchange leaving us almost no options because we’re self employed. If he gets one more ultra right wing judge confirmed to the court and the Democrats can’t later rebalance the scales, it could drastically affect my ten year old daughter’s reproductive rights for all (or most) of her adult life.
I’m sure there have been other things too, these are just off the top of my head.
Covid has also added a lot of extra stress and pressure.
ETA: I forgot all about the fact that since nothing has been done with regard to reasonable gun control, my kid and all of her friends have had to endure shooter drills multiple times a year in elementary school.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Sept 30, 2020 4:11:12 GMT
I know that the OP doesn't want to talk about the handling of Covid, but I have another thought...a pandemic would be a tough issue for any leader. However, the response that Trump had to Covid--from dismantling the Covid response team because he didn't have the foresight to see that they could be needed, to his response once the virus was present in the US--is an indication of how he would handle any other crisis. There are any number of natural disasters, terrorist attacks, wars, etc that could happen. Are you comfortable with how he would handle those based on how he has handled Covid?
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Post by edie3 on Sept 30, 2020 4:21:05 GMT
I guess I just have hugs to offer along with my understanding and sympathy. How sweet, I could cry. Some days it bothers me, other days not. And at the very least, our DS is totally like me politically, so its 2 for 1 in this house.
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Post by lauradrumm on Sept 30, 2020 4:43:37 GMT
No Covid? But that's HUGE. Why is it an issue of its own? Because I know he handled it poorly. I also do not think one policy should have been for across the US, I think individual states should have led the way to do what was best for their states. COVID was going to have a huge impact no matter who was POTUS. I also feel for COVID there is a lot of personal responsibility people need to take and I know his example was one many followed, and it sucked, but many also took it very seriously. Ummm before “people” could take personal responsibility they needed to know the truth-that there WAS a pandemic. But of course the liar in chief lied again!
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Post by sassyangel on Sept 30, 2020 5:00:32 GMT
My taxes have gone up. No idea how, we are solidly middle class. In four years, we’ve gone from getting small refunds, to paying in. My husband hasn’t had a pay rise in three years - so I really don’t know how that’s happened.
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Post by sassyangel on Sept 30, 2020 5:04:34 GMT
No Covid? But that's HUGE. Why is it an issue of its own? Because I know he handled it poorly. I also do not think one policy should have been for across the US, I think individual states should have led the way to do what was best for their states. COVID was going to have a huge impact no matter who was POTUS. I also feel for COVID there is a lot of personal responsibility people need to take and I know his example was one many followed, and it sucked, but many also took it very seriously. I disagree on excluding it, for those reasons. Watching other countries, including the one I’m from, have federally led responses, successfully. They didn’t have a leader knowing it was really serious, and telling people openly it wasn’t serious and taking very little action.
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Post by sassyangel on Sept 30, 2020 5:12:25 GMT
I’m going to add one more. I can’t go home to see my family in Australia. Well, I could, but it requires a two week mandatory quarantine casting $3000, and now horrifically expensive airfares. Now, that’s the Australian governments call to keep Covid out of there, but with Covid being rampant here, and not ever looking getting under any form of control, I’m thinking it will be a year at least, likely two before I can go home under somewhat normal circumstances - ie without quarantine. 😔
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Post by pudgygroundhog on Sept 30, 2020 5:12:52 GMT
I'm pricing new flooring for my home and they couldn't tell me right away what the cost would be because there are new tariffs on Chinese goods. I'm awaiting a call. It will likely add around $800 to the final cost if this particular floor I've selected is manufactured in China as opposed to South Korea or another country. And that is just the one thing I know about and just this round of tariffs. I've bought other things in the last 4 years likely increased in cost due to the tariffs. I have also seen the price of some items go up, but I am never sure if it really because of the tariffs or just the potential they may have. Thank you. I was listening to a podcast about China and the US (it was actually one before Covid hit - so didn't cover any of those issues) and they said that on average the trade war has cost each American household $1300.
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