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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Oct 2, 2020 23:50:52 GMT
If you don't use your real name how in the world would it be delivered to you? No way is our mail person going to deliver some mail to Peano podster to my house....?? you guys get random mail addressed to different people? we never have. The post office goes by address not name. They HAVE to deliver the mail to the address printed. I get mail addressed to my dog at my home. I’ve sent mail (swaps) to others on a message board addressed to their online ID. that is not true here... |
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Post by ChicagoKTS on Oct 2, 2020 23:51:01 GMT
I have never participated in the swap and don’t really intend to but this is the year of everything going virtual so why not just do a virtual swap with those who want to participate? It would solve a lot of issues such as cost, mailing internationally, so on.
I do get there’s something special about receiving snail mail but so many things have changed over to he last year, why not try it for this swap? It’s better than creating a lot of hard feelings.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2020 23:55:37 GMT
Don't let Leowife ruin it for the rest of you who feel you can't participate under her rules. Start your own swap. There are enough peas and people who prefer both ways of doing things that both could exist!
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Post by JustTricia on Oct 2, 2020 23:57:04 GMT
What’s sad is that the people who love this swap, get few cards from IRL people they know, and this makes their season are the ones who are going to suffer because of all the posts across the board by the organizer.
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Post by ashley on Oct 2, 2020 23:58:58 GMT
Don't let Leowife ruin it for the rest of you who feel you can't participate under her rules. Start your own swap. There are enough peas and people who prefer both ways of doing things that both could exist! I second this!! I’d offer to host it but I’m not confident I’d be able to participate. |
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Post by georgiapea on Oct 3, 2020 0:10:47 GMT
I had no clue it was real names or that each person mailed cards to each other person. The swaps I've participated in were always handled by ONE person. She received each participant's package of cards and outgoing postage cash, placed one in each participant's outgoing package and when they had all been received, mailed out the packages.
That is such a simple and easy method. Even for the coordinator.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2020 0:13:19 GMT
Created a poll about a second card swap.
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Post by myshelly on Oct 3, 2020 0:17:35 GMT
It’s funny because when 2 peas was a scrapbook site I would use my pea name to order from the store.
All my boxes from 2 peas were addressed to Myshelly. Never gave my real name for shipping.
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Post by pepperwood on Oct 3, 2020 0:47:40 GMT
I posted this idea on Sunnycamom's poll thread:
I am not comfortable publishing my address on the internet or getting a PO Box.
I wish there were a way to have an anonymous swap without publishing addresses. One idea would be to have peas mail all the cards they want to make to designated volunteer coordinators along with the same number of stamped self addressed envelopes. The coordinators would then fill the envelopes with cards submitted by other peas. You would get the same number of cards back that you submitted, so you could control the amount that you spend on postage. We would have to specify a standard envelope size like 5x7 and all cards would have to fit into that size envelope.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2020 0:50:42 GMT
I posted this idea on Sunnycamom's poll thread: I am not comfortable publishing my address on the internet or getting a PO Box. I wish there were a way to have an anonymous swap without publishing addresses. One idea would be to have peas mail all the cards they want to make to designated volunteer coordinators along with the same number of stamped self addressed envelopes. The coordinators would then fill the envelopes with cards submitted by other peas. You would get the same number of cards back that you submitted, so you could control the amount that you spend on postage. We would have to specify a standard envelope size like 5x7 and all cards would have to fit into that size envelope. Ain't noby got time for that lol especially me! |
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Post by greendragonlady on Oct 3, 2020 0:56:33 GMT
If you don't use your real name how in the world would it be delivered to you? No way is our mail person going to deliver some mail to Peano podster to my house....?? you guys get random mail addressed to different people? we never have. I get wrong mail delivered all the time, lol. Especially lately. Me too! |
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Post by katiekaty on Oct 3, 2020 0:57:41 GMT
Yep, this is the way it was on the old board too. been doing these swaps about 10 or more years and no ones bothered me yet! And, I pretty much, know who all is already in my neck of the woods.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Oct 3, 2020 1:22:46 GMT
I am a rose-colored glasses girl and try not to rock the boat around these parts. I’m also out of the swap, so I have no dog in this fight. Can anyone tell me, has the organizer ever backed up any of her claims with any sort of evidence? Whether it be people complaining about people not sending cards and/or hate and/or politically motivated mail being sent? Thanks in advance. Nope. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Oct 3, 2020 1:25:37 GMT
I am sure all of us are grateful to @leowife for taking on the admin of the swap every year (I’m not sure how big a job it is, but as someone who’s not so good at keeping on top of admin stuff, I know I would be rubbish at it!). However, I don’t get why that means she gets to unilaterally make rules for the swap that excludes any Pea from taking part in it. It’s the “Two Peas Card Swap”, not “Leowife's Card Swap for Two Peas". If someone doesn’t want to use their real name, why does it matter? It’s not as if we would have any way to check if it was their real name, so it’s an unnecessary condition on being "allowed" to take part. (And that’s what it comes down to, one Pea deciding who can join and who can’t. And you can’t get much more mean girl than that.) Or the claim “YOU’LL BE BANNED FOR LIFE” comment on another thread |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2020 1:59:23 GMT
The swap was never on my radar until this year. I never read the posts. Never looked into the rules. Assumed people supplied the level of info they were comfortable with. My “temper tantrum” as you call it was only a response to @leowife , who ignored me, hoping I’d take it to PM. I believe transparency leads to honest, open communication. As I said last night, I’d never have started the thread if she’d given me the dignity of a response. I also believed it was information other Peas might have found useful. I got a P. O. Box specifically for the purpose of doing this swap. I felt comfortable using my Pea name and a P.O. Box. You did not answer my question. At some level ,when pondering if you were going to join the swap, it must have crossed your mind that you would need to supply some personal information. And if you felt uncomfortable potentially doing that, why didn’t you ask @leowife what she expected before you made the decision to join, before you bought the supplies and before you got a PO Box? Starting in August the first of several threads about the sign-up was started. Plenty of opportunity to ask the question. Yet you chose not to ask the question but instead made an assumption which turned out to be incorrect. And instead of owning your incorrect assumption you are busy making @leowife the bad person because she won’t do what you want. I doubt very much that @leowife would make any exceptions for any of us because when one starts making exceptions, things tend to get messy. But yet you chose to make it personal. As to including our real names as requested. Each of us has to decide if we want to do it or not. If you don’t want to do it, fine, then don’t join the swap. No one is forcing you to. It really is that simple. And yea, if she wants to put it together, she gets to decide what information is required. Just like we get to decide if we want to share it or not. And you’re correct, this thread didn’t need to be started nor all the drama you’ve created if you had simply asked this question when you were deciding to if you wanted to join the swap or not “ I’m thinking of joining the swap this year, what kind of information are you looking for?” Especially if you had any reservations about sharing any personal information. |
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Post by babylou on Oct 3, 2020 2:01:03 GMT
My thought is, and I spent a little time looking and found that the ONLY person who has even made mention of the card swap as political/no politics/drama has been leowife. No one else said anything about the swap being hateful, political, drama... Actually, someone else asked why you would give your personal information to a Trump supporter. Seems irrelevant to me, but apparently has bearing on a card exchange. |
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Post by freecharlie on Oct 3, 2020 2:38:40 GMT
wow way to ruin this shit.
How about you all cancel the damn swap?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2020 4:55:02 GMT
wow way to ruin this shit. How about you all cancel the damn swap? We aren't the ones who are being anal retentive or not taking a step back and looking at it from others perspectives, which is how it typically goes with that pea. It is her way or your wrong. 🤷♀️ |
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Post by peano on Oct 3, 2020 5:01:06 GMT
The swap was never on my radar until this year. I never read the posts. Never looked into the rules. Assumed people supplied the level of info they were comfortable with. My “temper tantrum” as you call it was only a response to @leowife , who ignored me, hoping I’d take it to PM. I believe transparency leads to honest, open communication. As I said last night, I’d never have started the thread if she’d given me the dignity of a response. I also believed it was information other Peas might have found useful. I got a P. O. Box specifically for the purpose of doing this swap. I felt comfortable using my Pea name and a P.O. Box. You did not answer my question. At some level ,when pondering if you were going to join the swap, it must have crossed your mind that you would need to supply some personal information. And if you felt uncomfortable potentially doing that, why didn’t you ask @leowife what she expected before you made the decision to join, before you bought the supplies and before you got a PO Box? Starting in August the first of several threads about the sign-up was started. Plenty of opportunity to ask the question. Yet you chose not to ask the question but instead made an assumption which turned out to be incorrect. And instead of owning your incorrect assumption you are busy making @leowife the bad person because she won’t do what you want. I doubt very much that @leowife would make any exceptions for any of us because when one starts making exceptions, things tend to get messy. But yet you chose to make it personal. As to including our real names as requested. Each of us has to decide if we want to do it or not. If you don’t want to do it, fine, then don’t join the swap. No one is forcing you to. It really is that simple. And yea, if she wants to put it together, she gets to decide what information is required. Just like we get to decide if we want to share it or not. And you’re correct, this thread didn’t need to be started nor all the drama you’ve created if you had simply asked this question when you were deciding to if you wanted to join the swap or not “ I’m thinking of joining the swap this year, what kind of information are you looking for?” Especially if you had any reservations about sharing any personal information. Oh good Lord. I did answer your question. Twice. I've bolded them just for you. In August I was still in the decision stage about whether I wanted to make the time commitment. There was no choosing or not choosing to ask the question because at that point, I had no questions, and I wasn't considering rules. I never imagined there were any rules, until I owned my incorrect assumption on two previous posts which you apparently did not read. Called myself a "fool". The best I can do is claim my imperfect humanity. And maybe you might want to broaden your world to consider that there are millions of people in it, and not everyone lives their lives/thinks/acts as you would. And again, you and I have been around here long enough to know how I typically operate. And we both know I am not a drama queen in any way shape or form. All that needed to happen was @leowife answering my entirely reasonable question, instead of ignoring me. Easy peasy. Had she done that, boom! No call out thread. And frankly, your interrogation is starting to seem kind of weird. None of what's gone on here even impacts you. Move on. Everyone else has. |
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Post by peano on Oct 3, 2020 5:05:29 GMT
wow way to ruin this shit. How about you all cancel the damn swap? My serious question to you is: how does this thread "ruin this shit" for you? How has it even impacted you? |
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Post by mom on Oct 3, 2020 5:13:14 GMT
IMO this is just beyond sad. Some of us (Myself included) don't do a lot or have a lot of family for the holidays. This has always been a bright spot for me. And now I'm left feeling like people are keeping tabs on the amount of cards I'm sending, and my personal info up for grabs if I should ever say the wrong thing here. That's not a good feeling. That's why I told Leowife to remove my name. I was so looking forward to it this year as the last two Holiday seasons have been a shit show for my family. I was not able to make or send as many due to my dad's health and helping out my mom with dad. He passed in January and this would have brought me a lot of joy. That joy is gone because now it feels so dictatorship--a couple of us had some suggestions we were dismissed. Oh well... I agree. I was needing this so much this year. My dads health is declining rapidly ( major surgery within the week for an aneurism, and my son enlisted). I was looking forward to being in this group as I just needed a little happy. But damn. I can’t participate knowing it’s become something that limits who’s involved. I never dreamed the card swap would become so damn political ( which is funny because I probably come closer to agreeing with the host more than most). Life is too short for this drama. |
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Oct 3, 2020 10:20:21 GMT
I have no business inhabiting this thread but I stumbled on the poll and came here to suss out the kerfuffle.
I’ve gotten far enough to have stopped short twice:
1. Anybody who is reluctant to give up anonymity should be looking at their post history and interactions here? Say, what?? Did I read that right? Not quite blaming the victim, but worse: blaming somebody who never wants to be a victim. Startling in today’s world. And just so very...odd.
2. And somebody else said she’s surprised that anyone here truly expects people don’t already know who they really are. Really? Do people here know my real name? How? Yes, I understand there are techie ways, which require some effort, to possibly track identity/location; is that the assumption (ick) or am I missing something?
As far as what I’ve read about the issue at hand, I have an opinion, but I don’t think I’ve earned the right to voice it. But the two things I’ve raised do pertain to the general board - and general internet life.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2020 11:38:31 GMT
2. And somebody else said she’s surprised that anyone here truly expects people don’t already know who they really are. Really? Do people here know my real name? How? Yes, I understand there are techie ways, which require some effort, to possibly track identity/location; is that the assumption (ick) or am I missing something? You mean your real name isn't Amelia Bloomer and that's not a real pic of you? My flabber has never been so gasted! Seriously though, I know who a couple of Peas are because they've very kindly reached out to me through genuine friendship, everyone else I haven't got a clue about. I don't think finding someone's real name and address with nothing more than their Pea name and a general location is as easy as some people are making out. |
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Oct 3, 2020 11:59:28 GMT
2. And somebody else said she’s surprised that anyone here truly expects people don’t already know who they really are. Really? Do people here know my real name? How? Yes, I understand there are techie ways, which require some effort, to possibly track identity/location; is that the assumption (ick) or am I missing something? You mean your real name isn't Amelia Bloomer and that's not a real pic of you? My flabber has never been so gasted! Seriously though, I know who a couple of Peas are because they've very kindly reached out to me through genuine friendship, everyone else I haven't got a clue about. I don't think finding someone's real name and address with nothing more than their Pea name and a general location is as easy as some people are making out. Like George Washington, I cannot tell a lie. That’s a vanity avatar That pic of me is at least twenty years old. |
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Post by gar on Oct 3, 2020 12:05:55 GMT
You mean your real name isn't Amelia Bloomer and that's not a real pic of you? My flabber has never been so gasted! Seriously though, I know who a couple of Peas are because they've very kindly reached out to me through genuine friendship, everyone else I haven't got a clue about. I don't think finding someone's real name and address with nothing more than their Pea name and a general location is as easy as some people are making out. Like George Washington, I cannot tell a lie. That’s a vanity avatar That pic of me is at least twenty years old.  Don't ever leave will you...please?  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2020 12:08:10 GMT
That pic of me is at least twenty years old. I thought those drawers looked extremely youthful. |
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Post by austnscrapaddict on Oct 3, 2020 12:23:53 GMT
O.M.G. If you want participate do so. If you don't then don't. Want to swap cards but don't like the parameters of this one, start your own. For Pete's sake this feels like the Presidential debate!!! AGREED!!! I am a little confused about the mental depth of someone that would spend $$ on physical product and not realize they will have to give out name and address for the cards to be delivered?? Maybe there are Pea Fairies that will magically know where to deliver the cards to? Can they come and made and address the cards for everyone too? Some beings enjoy the drama more than the act of just strolling on by! |
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Post by christine58 on Oct 3, 2020 12:28:42 GMT
I am a little confused about the mental depth of someone that would spend $$ on physical product and not realize they will have to give out name and address for the cards to be delivered?? Why the insults? It was NEVER stated that 'real names' had to be given. In fact, @leowife JUST changed the rules last night to include that. Many have used PO boxes in the past so that is NOT the issue at all. However you feel about it one way or another, insulting the OP says more about you than her. |
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Post by peano on Oct 3, 2020 13:08:57 GMT
O.M.G. If you want participate do so. If you don't then don't. Want to swap cards but don't like the parameters of this one, start your own. For Pete's sake this feels like the Presidential debate!!! AGREED!!! I am a little confused about the mental depth of someone that would spend $$ on physical product and not realize they will have to give out name and address for the cards to be delivered?? Maybe there are Pea Fairies that will magically know where to deliver the cards to? Can they come and made and address the cards for everyone too? Some beings enjoy the drama more than the act of just strolling on by! Well, in my world, mail addressed to my dog Posie and a P.O. Box would undoubtedly arrive (although possibly with a DeJoy delay). Do you not have P.O. Boxes in your neck of the woods? |
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Post by anxiousmom on Oct 3, 2020 14:14:10 GMT
I have no business inhabiting this thread but I stumbled on the poll and came here to suss out the kerfuffle. I’ve gotten far enough to have stopped short twice: 1. Anybody who is reluctant to give up anonymity should be looking at their post history and interactions here? Say, what?? Did I read that right? Not quite blaming the victim, but worse: blaming somebody who never wants to be a victim. Startling in today’s world. And just so very...odd. 2. And somebody else said she’s surprised that anyone here truly expects people don’t already know who they really are. Really? Do people here know my real name? How? Yes, I understand there are techie ways, which require some effort, to possibly track identity/location; is that the assumption (ick) or am I missing something? As far as what I’ve read about the issue at hand, I have an opinion, but I don’t think I’ve earned the right to voice it. But the two things I’ve raised do pertain to the general board - and general internet life. I had a really bad, really awful no good Christmas one year. The kind that left me with zero prospects of being able to do Christmas for the kids. I posted a how to do Christmas on a zero dollar budget question... what can I make, suggestions on how to handle it etc. Several incrediblely kind peas reached out to me and it was one of the few times I broke me own rule of using my own name and address with people I didn’t know. It profoundly effectivede and to this day I set aside a portion of my Christmas budget to pay it forward. But I don’t do the swap. I love the idea, but just can’t roll with the idea that much info out there. I try not to post too much identifiers because I don’t want it out there. We preach it to our children all the time for a reason. I am almost positive that there is a pea that lives in my town. But I just can’t make that jump from online to I’m person, you know? |
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