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Post by refugeepea on Nov 13, 2020 20:46:04 GMT
On another note, I spent over an hour talking to a guy from the legal center because we owe money to SSI. There are so many damn government programs to navigate for people with disabilities. We qualify for this, didn't know about that, can't figure out WHY we owe money, and here she is sitting at $300 K!!
I'm actually using a Chick-fil-A recipe for homemade nuggets tonight. If she wants to travel a couple of hours north, I'll feed the family in exchange for $5,000.
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Post by julie5 on Nov 13, 2020 20:50:34 GMT
Colins brother was named chad. He’s easy to find and he shares the letter he sent her with that gift card. It sounds so much like my husband and his brother. Not perfect at all but two men broken down by something and now he can never make peace with Colin. So very sad for him. She is starting to sound like a vengeful bitch and she got several hundred dollars from her nugget whine. Grief does crazy things to people but she does not sound well at all. And no dental?!?! Wtf was paying for hers and colins teeth because they’re perfect? I don’t have dental insurance either-we just pay out of pocket for me and my husband. Kids are on their dads plan or is just pay cash for them too.
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Post by honeypea on Nov 13, 2020 23:08:16 GMT
Destroying the CFA gift card from the brother is in such poor taste. My god. If she needs to make a spectacle of the situation she could have posted the bitchy comment with an offer of “first person who wants to rake this gift card off my hands, DM me!” or pass it to a food bank, homeless person, or random group of teens at the park. Her disgusting wasteful show of bratty ranting is so gross! Who are these wackos rewarding her for this behavior?! Wow.
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Post by scrappydo on Nov 14, 2020 2:41:08 GMT
....ummm.... when I just googled "chad kartchner" results gave me a notice of an obituary for 13 November 2020.... is that the brother? ?
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Post by mom on Nov 14, 2020 2:45:54 GMT
....ummm.... when I just googled "chad kartchner" results gave me a notice of an obituary for 13 November 2020.... is that the brother? ? Nah, I dont think so. How old was he? If you search instagram, he shared the letter Liz talked about 15 hours ago.
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Post by PaperAngel on Nov 14, 2020 2:48:09 GMT
While my heart breaks for her, her children, & others who've lost loved ones, IMHO her actions reflect who she is (not her brother-in-law). Rather than not opening the envelope from her brother-in-law, writing "return to sender," & putting it back in the mail OR quietly mailing the gift card back to her brother-in-law (perhaps with a note that she rejects the gesture due to his past transgressions) OR using the gift card to buy her children food (& thanking her brother-in-law for the gift, while letting him know that she'll never forget the way he treated her late husband) OR donating it to someone else in need, she chose to dramatically & publicly destroy it via social media (which seems contrary to her late husband's message/legacy). She admittedly made a gift card to a fast casual restaurant all about her, & now NO ONE receives $40 of food. Her subsequent declaration that it's just money, after accepting ~$300K in donations, speaks volumes...
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Post by scrappydo on Nov 14, 2020 2:55:19 GMT
....ummm.... when I just googled "chad kartchner" results gave me a notice of an obituary for 13 November 2020.... is that the brother? ? Nah, I dont think so. How old was he? If you search instagram, he shared the letter Liz talked about 15 hours ago. This is the text: Chad Kartchner Death – Obituary – It is with a grieving heart as we learnt on November 13, 2020, that Chad Kartchner was pronounced dead with family, friends and loved ones left in total devastation. Chad Kartchner has sadly passed away causing so much heartbreak and agony to the beloved family. We are yet to notice the deceased obituary details, all further details concerning this news will be updated upon confirmation. I have no clue if that is a legit site... deaddeath.com/death/chad-kartchner-obituary-death-chad-kartchner-cause-of-death/
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Post by Night Owl on Nov 14, 2020 2:59:06 GMT
Is her Instagram under Dear Lizzy or something else? Where are you reading all this? Thanks, you have me curious to read it.
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Post by nicolep on Nov 14, 2020 3:20:49 GMT
Nah, I dont think so. How old was he? If you search instagram, he shared the letter Liz talked about 15 hours ago. This is the text: Chad Kartchner Death – Obituary – It is with a grieving heart as we learnt on November 13, 2020, that Chad Kartchner was pronounced dead with family, friends and loved ones left in total devastation. Chad Kartchner has sadly passed away causing so much heartbreak and agony to the beloved family. We are yet to notice the deceased obituary details, all further details concerning this news will be updated upon confirmation. I have no clue if that is a legit site... deaddeath.com/death/chad-kartchner-obituary-death-chad-kartchner-cause-of-death/This is bizarre. What is up with that website? Looks so off and yet...Idk.
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Post by karinec on Nov 14, 2020 3:27:15 GMT
Looks kinda fishy.
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Post by artsyk on Nov 14, 2020 4:18:09 GMT
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Post by nicolep on Nov 14, 2020 4:28:41 GMT
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Post by sleepingbooty on Nov 14, 2020 4:53:28 GMT
Chad Kartchner's retranscribed note from his IG stories since he's been so public about it due to the "traffic coming over from [his] sister-in-law's account":
Anyhoo, money doesn't matter when people keep giving it to you. Wish it were this easy for all the poor people. Liz is showing her true colours and they are petty, not pretty.
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Post by sleepingbooty on Nov 14, 2020 4:55:02 GMT
Is her Instagram under Dear Lizzy or something else? Where are you reading all this? Thanks, you have me curious to read it. @dearlizzy but the cutting up story has now expired.
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Post by sleepingbooty on Nov 14, 2020 4:57:21 GMT
Her subsequent declaration that it's just money, after accepting ~$300K in donations, speaks volumes... We don't even know how much money her followers have been Venmo-ing her. I bet she's already the 400k mark total at this stage.
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Post by wendifful on Nov 14, 2020 6:54:17 GMT
Yikes, there are a number of things that jumped out at me. First, talking about how he "could dish it all day, but he could not take it in return." Giving his sister a complex about her chicken legs sounds abusive, not funny. Second, that these kids would reach out to him saying they were considering suicide and then he'd reply to them asking for their address to send them a merch hoodie, so he could send the police to their address. On the one hand, it's absolutely great that these kids could get help and that lives were saved, but imagine being so desperate that you reach out to a stranger who preaches love/acceptance and you get a callous "what's your address? I'll send you a hoodie" back. I would be devastated. After that, I think I would feel even more betrayed that he called the police on me. (As an adult, I understand the value of this, but as a teenager who was suicidal, I think I would have been furious and embarrassed that my innermost feelings were exposed without my permission. I'm not sure I'd ever trust an authority figure again.) Third, him calling up his sister and begging her not to give her son a smartphone. That's just...a lot to ask. Not because I think smartphones are a necessity, but because it puts the burden of his emotions on his sister's actions. It's just manipulative and not fair to his sister's judgment as a mother. I'm sure these anecdotes were summarized for the obituary, so there may be more context to these stories that alleviates my criticism. I'm not saying these things make Collin a horrible person, as everyone is flawed, but it does sound like although his heart was in the right place, he didn't have the necessary training to handle interactions with troubled teens or the burden these interactions placed on him. On the topic of Liz expressing herself via social media, I agree that women shouldn't have to hide their grief AND that the way she's going about it is not healthy. Again, going back to my teenage self, who experienced a loss and resultant depression/PTSD, if social media had existed in its current form, I think I would have shared all manner of incredibly personal thoughts in hopes of validation/interaction. Since I didn't have that outlet, I turned instead to my journal. I've been rereading it lately and it's tough even for me to read. If I had shared those thoughts with the internet/my friends, I think after I emerged from the worst of it, I would have been regretful and embarrassed about other people knowing those thoughts. This is not because those thoughts are shameful, but because they are deeply, deeply personal. If social media TRULY helps her now, then I'm glad, because everyone has different needs, but I do wonder how she'll feel looking back on her behavior in one year, let alone five or ten.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2020 14:03:43 GMT
Is her Instagram under Dear Lizzy or something else? Where are you reading all this? Thanks, you have me curious to read it. @dearlizzy but the cutting up story has now expired. but the pix are above One of the problems I have w/his approach, or actually, two: 1. He was not in any way licensed to give mental health advice; 2. He thought taking a smart phone away from a kid would fix all their problems. Kids' problems can be deep and difficult and twisted and complicated. Maybe taking away a smart phone is PART of the answer SOMETIMES. But it's not a magic bullet. Sometimes kids use phones to connect w/like-minded kids around the world - that is GOOD for mental health. Knowing you are not alone is one of the most powerful feelings in the world. Some kids who commit suicide are doing it because they feel NOT ACCEPTED by their families - because they're gay? because they're "not good enough" - they need to be perfect all the time, better grades, etc. Finding a community of acceptance ONLINE is sometimes a lifeboat for these kids. So, the one-size-fits-all approach that he took is just wrong and dangerous, imo. and takes us back to the fact that he had NO TRAINING in mental health - just a fervent belief that smartphones are the enemy and that taking them away would fix the underlying, messy, complicated problems.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2020 15:21:35 GMT
For example: "How many times have you heard that screen time is bad for adolescent mental health? As a pediatrician, I've told many families that small amounts of screen time are fine, but large amounts of screen time are associated with higher rates of loneliness, anxiety, and depression. That's been what the research has been suggesting, and it's practically accepted wisdom. But a new study published last week in Clinical Psychological Science calls those ideas into question. Smartphones may not be bad for teens' mental health after all. The study surveyed more than 2,000 adolescents, and then more closely followed 388 of them, tracking their day and night screen time usage, including how much they texted. The teens were asked to report on their mental health three times a day. After collecting 13,017 total observations over 5,270 study days, the study's authors found that adolescents' technology usage did not predict later mental health problems. Their mental health was also no different on the days they used more screen time than on the days they used less. Even the kids who were at risk for mental health problems "exhibited no signs of increased risk for mental health problems on higher technology use days." The authors concluded, " Findings from this ... study do not support the narrative that young adolescents’ digital technology usage is associated with elevated mental health symptoms." In a statement about the paper, study author Michaeline Jensen, assistant professor of psychology at the University of North Carolina at Greensboro, said “Contrary to the common belief that smartphones and social media are damaging adolescents’ mental health, we don’t see much support for the idea that time spent on phones and online is associated with increased risk for mental health problems.” Even more surprising, when the study did find an association between screen time and the adolescent's mental health, was that it could be positive. In other words, when teens texted more, they felt better. That tracks with the way communication and connection, in general, helps our mental health. " www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/shouldstorm/201908/what-smartphones-are-doing-your-teenagers-mental-health"In fact, four large studies of teens from the U.S. and U.K. all show the same thing: happiness and mental health are highest at a half-hour to two hours of extracurricular digital media use a day; well-being then steadily decreases, with those who spend the most time online being the worst off. Twice as many heavy users of electronic devices are unhappy, depressed or distressed as light users." time.com/collection/davos-2020-mental-health/5555737/smartphone-mental-health-teens/You know, from real scientific studies, not Collin's particular anecdotes (which doesn't follow a teen long term) and his sneaker-dad Ted Talks. This is the rule in our house. Not NO SMART PHONE!!!! But, limited use. Get outside. Do something w/your hands (music, sewing, wood-working), sometimes CALL your friends instead of always texting/DMing. So far, so good. And our kids learn to navigate a world w/SM and smartphones instead of just pretending they don't exist.
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Post by nicolep on Nov 14, 2020 15:29:00 GMT
One of the problems I have w/his approach, or actually, two: 1. He was not in any way licensed to give mental health advice; Totally agree 1000%. This is why we have mental health therapists and pediatricians. This is the rule in our house. Not NO SMART PHONE!!!! But, limited use. Get outside. Do something w/your hands (music, sewing, wood-working), sometimes CALL your friends instead of always texting/DMing. So far, so good. And our kids learn to navigate a world w/SM and smartphones instead of just pretending they don't exist. Yep! Common sense I'd say!
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Post by pinklady on Nov 14, 2020 15:54:37 GMT
Just from the tiny bit posted, that Kartchner family is all sorts of fucked up. They all clearly need the help of a professional.
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Post by ScrapbookMyLife on Nov 14, 2020 17:29:59 GMT
I am sorry for her and her children's loss.
Her grief aside.....Her actions are petulant and narcissist. If she didn't want the gift card, she could have donated it to someone in need. Her post seems very "attention getting" which in my opinion seemed to be the foundation of her/his/their life. Her "gift card cutting" post is reminiscent of his flipping off the Police post. Callous and rude behavior and posting all about it, all for the sake of social media drama and "attention grabs".
She has currently amassed close to half a million dollars in donations, she should be thankful for every single penny.....but grateful and thankful certainly isn't being conveyed in her social media posts.
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Post by julie5 on Nov 14, 2020 18:22:59 GMT
Just from the tiny bit posted, that Kartchner family is all sorts of fucked up. They all clearly need the help of a professional. I get the feeling that a lot of well to do Mormons have the same level of toxicity. The culture of perfection and keeping sweet (smiling through the bad times) is so dangerous.
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Post by JustTricia on Nov 14, 2020 19:58:05 GMT
I closed the sister’s webpage obituary after reading that he lynched her Barbies. Totally seems tone deaf to the world around her to use that word.
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Post by pinklady on Nov 14, 2020 20:21:43 GMT
I closed the sister’s webpage obituary after reading that he lynched her Barbies. Totally seems tone deaf to the world around her to use that word. OMG me too! Who the hell uses that word.
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Post by msliz on Nov 14, 2020 21:52:51 GMT
I'm lazy. I'll admit it. I don't feel like searching through this mess to satisfy my stupid curiosity. This is a freaking soap opera.
Can someone tell me, what unforgivable thing did his brother do?
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Post by Skellinton on Nov 14, 2020 23:08:14 GMT
I closed the sister’s webpage obituary after reading that he lynched her Barbies. Totally seems tone deaf to the world around her to use that word. Yeah, that word really bothered me as well.
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Post by Skellinton on Nov 14, 2020 23:17:10 GMT
The entire Chick-fil-A thing really irritated me as well. If she didn’t want to accept the gift card that is completely up to her, but to cut it up and post about it was juvenile and petty. She absolutely should have given it to someone she knew, a stranger in the restaurant, her mail man, her neighbor, a giving tree, etc. That entire family seems beyond messed up though. They are all airing their grievances rather publicly in memory of a man who supposedly shunned social media.
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Post by mom on Nov 15, 2020 0:32:13 GMT
I'm lazy. I'll admit it. I don't feel like searching through this mess to satisfy my stupid curiosity. This is a freaking soap opera. Can someone tell me, what unforgivable thing did his brother do? The brother made some sort of threat to Colin and (maybe?) their family.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2020 1:11:04 GMT
They are all airing their grievances rather publicly in memory of a man who supposedly shunned social media. Yeah. That. An awful lot of social media performative posting to honor a man who dissed social media. I wonder that they don't see how ridiculous this looks.
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Post by msliz on Nov 15, 2020 1:25:20 GMT
I'm lazy. I'll admit it. I don't feel like searching through this mess to satisfy my stupid curiosity. This is a freaking soap opera. Can someone tell me, what unforgivable thing did his brother do? The brother made some sort of threat to Colin and (maybe?) their family. I gathered that, but I want more. Didn't know if it was out there. Goodness knows everything else with that family is public domain now
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