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Post by ukfan on Nov 7, 2014 15:39:22 GMT
Ugh! No, I wouldn't. Not sure there is room for his ego. Are you serious? I don't know whether to  or  Yeah - ugh! I should have stayed out of this thread. Through my job have met him in the past. I feel as though there are a lot of smoke and mirrors. I saw a more "don't ever question me as I always know best" individual. This was not someone who gave the appearance of enjoying medical discourse. Just my opinion. But I had such an "icky" feeling after that meeting (it wasn't just me - in a large group capacity) - that it has never left me. |
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Post by samcro on Nov 7, 2014 15:39:34 GMT
Admittedly, I am not a 'very political' person, as one of the posters above stated. I have never been 'for' Democrats or Republicans. I have always just attempted to pick the candidate that used the most common sense and logic. I am a logical thinker in regards to life. If there is a problem, whether it be a leaky faucet or a glitch in my budget, I put on my thinking cap and try to use common sense to fix it. One of the best things I read that Dr. Carter said is this: "Is there a way to apply logic to this issue and arrive at an intelligent solution?" It is very early in the game but what I have read and watched of Dr. Carson so far, I like. I don't agree with him on issues straight down the line. Quite frankly, I never have found that magic candidate that feels exactly the same way I do on all the issues. And that is okay. I am willing to go with logic and common sense for a change for this country, as a whole, rather than expect a perfect match. Heck, even my husband and I aren't a perfect match on every thought we have. SO FAR, I like what I see. For the first time in a very long time, I feel that someone could actually run this country without being in the pocket of so many special interest groups. Now as far as him not having a political history, I am okay with that. He has an incredible LEADER history. Also...if you think a leadership position in a huge hospital/medical system isn't political, you have obviously not worked within one, haha. So anyway, the man is smart. His IQ is in the top .005% or something like that. He is compassionate and caring. He rose 'through' the ranks of life, from a ghetto child to a world sought-after surgeon. He doesn't believe in a lifelong political career. He explains why quite well, too. Here is a page that talks a bit about his stance on some of the issues. www.runbenrun.org/issuesAgain, it is early, and I just heard of him yesterday. I just know that for the first time in my adult life, someone makes sense to me for President. I do agree with him on many issues. A few, not so much. I know we need a change from the type of leadership we have that is for sure. Oh, you can Youtube the movie "Gifted Hands" with Cuba Gooding Jr. playing him. It gives a look into his life history, the things he overcame and gives you a sense of amazement at his surgical skills and determination. If nothing else, it is a great movie to watch! Whether he becomes President or not, I hold him in high regard just for the person he is. Thanks for chiming in with your thoughts. I just found him interesting and I know that many people know who he is from his surgical accomplishments, so I thought I would see what you all thought. |
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Post by zztop11 on Nov 7, 2014 15:48:32 GMT
He was a neurosurgeon that practiced at Hopkins Hospital in Baltimore. A world-famous surgeon at that. He separated siamese twins with very complicated surgeries. Born to a single mom who could not read. She would make her two sons read a book every week and write a book report on the book. At the end of the week, the mom would make her sons read her the book report. She would make verbal corrections, I believe on their grammar. At the time, I don't think they knew that she could not read. A very interesting person but he is very conservative with his politics. Certainly not for me.
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Post by shanni on Nov 7, 2014 15:49:46 GMT
I just briefly poked around the site that [HASH]samcro posted. I know enough now to know this is not someone I would vote for, so I will bow out of this conversation so that those of you who do like him can converse.  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2014 15:51:40 GMT
My issue with him us that he wants to force his religious beliefs in this country. Saying gays want special rights. Um no. And Christians don't own the term marriage. It was around long before Christianity.
I have huge issues with that. Well and a lot of other things too.
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Post by blondiec47 on Nov 7, 2014 16:00:51 GMT
I live in a state where my vote does not matter at all. So no, I'll vote for HRC or whichever candidate has a D by their name. Not that it counts. Texas sucks. We deserve whatever we get. the same but opposite here in MA. My vote never counts in a presidential election |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Nov 7, 2014 16:03:55 GMT
I'm wondering if the same people who are saying he is "a breath of fresh air" or a "normal person" (not singling out those posters, but those are the phrases that came to my mind when I was posting) are the same ones who were screaming about President Obama's lack of political experience?
That being said, I have never heard of this guy.
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Post by songbird on Nov 7, 2014 16:16:17 GMT
I've been following him for some time. I don't agree with everything, but that's pretty normal. I am going to continue to follow him as well as the other candidates (when we know who they are) and make my decision over the course of the next couple of years. As far as lacking prior experience, that doesn't really bother me considering our current President had a made-up "community organizer" job before he decided to start in politics. (I'm saying made-up because I had never heard of one prior to him). I think there's plenty of other examples out there as well. I'm not sure how to say this, but some people are just natural leaders and some aren't. For now I'm not sure which he falls into.
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Post by betazed on Nov 7, 2014 16:21:20 GMT
Dr Carson was the head of Pediatric NeuroSurgery at Johns Hopkins. He recently retired. He seems to be very down to earth and have a lot of common sense. He is definately not politically correct, which is refreshing. I'd vote for him, but not sure he'd survive the political scene.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2014 16:22:50 GMT
I think many people, when referring to Dr. Carson's normalcy or being a breath of fresh air, mean that he's not part of the establishment.
Obama, though inexperienced as a leader, was already part of the Chicago political machine before he became a presidential candidate. And he's proven to be just another typical politician.
However, I think the media will make a much bigger issue of Dr. Carson's lack of experience than they ever did Obama's.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2014 16:24:24 GMT
I live in a state where my vote does not matter at all. So no, I'll vote for HRC or whichever candidate has a D by their name. Not that it counts. Texas sucks. We deserve whatever we get. Girl, there's a lot of bitter going around this state. Our time will come. The ultra conservative wing is aging. We're going to be a minority majority state in the next decade. I wouldn't vote for Ben Carson, either - but I'm sure that shocks exactly no one here.  As a conservative, I've long felt the same here in MD. Then the unthinkable happened and our governor elect is a Republican that beat all the odds. This was a non-race in the national view. Not so much now. Saying this to point out that you can either move (something we have seriously considered and may yet do ) or find candidates to support who have a fighting chance to get the attention of the voters in the other side. Like happened here. Dr. Carson could learn a lot from Larry Hogan. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2014 16:37:51 GMT
Are you serious? I don't know whether to or Yeah - ugh! I should have stayed out of this thread. Through my job have met him in the past. I feel as though there are a lot of smoke and mirrors. I saw a more "don't ever question me as I always know best" individual. This was not someone who gave the appearance of enjoying medical discourse. Just my opinion. But I had such an "icky" feeling after that meeting (it wasn't just me - in a large group capacity) - that it has never left me. Well since you've met him and heard him speak personally, I'll take your opinion as a serious opinion.
When I read your reply, my initial reaction was "seriously...the ego that's been in the White House for 6 yrs and she's worried about Dr. Carson's ego?" (which is why I was ready to )
But again, you've met him and have formed that opinion based on your own personal experience. Whether or not I agree...or anyone else agrees, that's your opinion and you are more than entitled to it.
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Post by beebee on Nov 7, 2014 16:43:05 GMT
Are you serious? I don't know whether to or Yeah - ugh! I should have stayed out of this thread. Through my job have met him in the past. I feel as though there are a lot of smoke and mirrors. I saw a more "don't ever question me as I always know best" individual. This was not someone who gave the appearance of enjoying medical discourse. Just my opinion. But I had such an "icky" feeling after that meeting (it wasn't just me - in a large group capacity) - that it has never left me. I find your impression interesting. While I have never seen him in person like you, I have seen him give speeches on TV and it has left me with the exact opposite impression. I find him very humble, modest, and common sense. This is why I want to see more of him. I like him, but I just need more info. |
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Post by Merge on Nov 7, 2014 17:03:06 GMT
Girl, there's a lot of bitter going around this state. Our time will come. The ultra conservative wing is aging. We're going to be a minority majority state in the next decade. I wouldn't vote for Ben Carson, either - but I'm sure that shocks exactly no one here. I don't want to leave Texas. Except maybe in August. I love most things about this state and I love what I think it is becoming. Our time will come. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2014 17:11:43 GMT
I was trying to say that Dr. Carson was a moderate on that specific issue (gun rights), not a moderate in general, Scrappower. IMO, HRC & Pres. Obama aren't moderates either. It just depends on which issues are important to you. As I said on the other thread, I'm personally hoping Gov. Walker will run. But time will tell! |
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Post by zztop11 on Nov 7, 2014 17:57:52 GMT
Dr Carson was the head of Pediatric NeuroSurgery at Johns Hopkins. He recently retired. He seems to be very down to earth and have a lot of common sense. He is definately not politically correct, which is refreshing. I'd vote for him, but not sure he'd survive the political scene. ". . . have a lot of common sense." How can someone have common sense if they speak as he has about certain groups of people? That's not common sense to me. |
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Post by betazed on Nov 7, 2014 18:01:16 GMT
Are you serious? I don't know whether to or Yeah - ugh! I should have stayed out of this thread. Through my job have met him in the past. I feel as though there are a lot of smoke and mirrors. I saw a more "don't ever question me as I always know best" individual. This was not someone who gave the appearance of enjoying medical discourse. Just my opinion. But I had such an "icky" feeling after that meeting (it wasn't just me - in a large group capacity) - that it has never left me. Interesting...I met him and his wife at a book signing recently and none of that came through. As a nurse, I do however know how surgeons can be. |
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Post by ntsf on Nov 7, 2014 18:02:00 GMT
politicians vs "just regular citizens"....we had a recall election that put in gov Arnold..just a businessman and actor. was not a good governor...finances went to pot and since he really didn't know how the politicians got things done...he didn't get much done. he thought like a businessman with profit and products...and most govt services don't have "products"..it is called services to people...and they have to be paid for with taxes, like it or not.
gov brown got back into office and he is the ultimate politician...he knows how the legislature works, he knows the history, he knows people and he has had lots of experience...and he is not at this point doing it to jump to some higher office. the state got back on a better fiscal situation, he passed taxes, he passed some new infrastructure bonds...the business in the state is doing better than ever. he didn't even campaign this election for himself.
so I am not a fan of the "just an ordinary citizen" becoming a governor or president.. you need some experience. and if you can't raise significant money you are not getting elected.
I am not interested also in having a particular religious viewpoint being enacted into law...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2014 18:02:39 GMT
Dr Carson was the head of Pediatric NeuroSurgery at Johns Hopkins. He recently retired. He seems to be very down to earth and have a lot of common sense. He is definately not politically correct, which is refreshing. I'd vote for him, but not sure he'd survive the political scene. ". . . have a lot of common sense." How can someone have common sense if they speak as he has about certain groups of people? That's not common sense to me. And to deny evolution exists, it's just a myth he claims. SMH. |
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Post by Skypea on Nov 7, 2014 20:54:42 GMT
Ugh! No, I wouldn't. Not sure there is room for his ego.
says someone who voted for BO?
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Post by Skypea on Nov 7, 2014 20:57:50 GMT
Yeah - ugh! I should have stayed out of this thread. Through my job have met him in the past. I feel as though there are a lot of smoke and mirrors. I saw a more "don't ever question me as I always know best" individual. This was not someone who gave the appearance of enjoying medical discourse. Just my opinion. But I had such an "icky" feeling after that meeting (it wasn't just me - in a large group capacity) - that it has never left me. I find your impression interesting. While I have never seen him in person like you, I have seen him give speeches on TV and it has left me with the exact opposite impression. I find him very humble, modest, and common sense.
This is why I want to see more of him. I like him, but I just need more info.
same here
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Post by ukfan on Nov 7, 2014 20:58:28 GMT
Ugh! No, I wouldn't. Not sure there is room for his ego.
says someone who voted for BO?
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Post by Skypea on Nov 7, 2014 21:06:31 GMT
I live in a state where my vote does not matter at all. So no, I'll vote for HRC or whichever candidate has a D by their name. Not that it counts. Texas sucks. We deserve whatever we get. Oh, I so hear you. I'm a Mormon Democrat living in Utah. My dh and I joke every time we go to the polls, "I'm going to throw away my vote now". It does feel good to even quietly cast a vote against our crazy state government though. Back to OP though- I've never heard of Ben Carson. I'll wait and see if he gains any traction. If he's still around in a few weeks, I'll look him up.  I'm not a straight ticket voter, and honestly I think that in any place other than Utah and maybe Texas, I would be a republican. If the republicans could get past the tea partiers on the local level and put a moderate up, I would gladly take a second look at them.
he's gained lots of traction already - he polls high as a desirable candidate. he has for some time now. I doubt the BOstations report that tho.
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Post by Skypea on Nov 7, 2014 21:10:34 GMT
6 hours ago ukfan said:
says someone who voted for BO?
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Post by ukfan on Nov 7, 2014 21:15:30 GMT
6 hours ago ukfan said: Not sure what that really has to do with the discussion. I mentioned earlier that in a professional interaction I did not come away with a favorable opinion. For me, personally, I would find it hard to vote for him as President. My personal feelings regarding Dr. Ben Carson have no bearing on any previous election vote I may have cast. |
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Post by birukitty on Nov 7, 2014 21:17:49 GMT
My issue with him us that he wants to force his religious beliefs in this country. Saying gays want special rights. Um no. And Christians don't own the term marriage. It was around long before Christianity. I have huge issues with that. Well and a lot of other things too. I agree. I wouldn't vote for this guy in a million years. His beliefs are much too far right to align with what I want from a president and for this country. I'm not a die hard Democrat either. I'm in the middle for the most part-it's the far right Republican party that I can't agree with, and it sounds like that's the way this guy swings. And does he really think evolution is a myth? How in the world can a doctor of this calibre deny evolution? Science is science. They go hand in hand. That just baffles me to no end. And you know if he's denying evolution he's got to think global warming is a myth too. No thanks! Debbie in MD. |
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Post by Skypea on Nov 7, 2014 21:21:14 GMT
politicians vs "just regular citizens"....we had a recall election that put in gov Arnold..just a businessman and actor. was not a good governor...finances went to pot and since he really didn't know how the politicians got things done...he didn't get much done. he thought like a businessman with profit and products...and most govt services don't have "products"..it is called services to people...and they have to be paid for with taxes, like it or not. gov brown got back into office and he is the ultimate politician...he knows how the legislature works, he knows the history, he knows people and he has had lots of experience...and he is not at this point doing it to jump to some higher office. the state got back on a better fiscal situation, he passed taxes, he passed some new infrastructure bonds...the business in the state is doing better than ever. he didn't even campaign this election for himself. so I am not a fan of the "just an ordinary citizen" becoming a governor or president.. you need some experience. and if you can't raise significant money you are not getting elected.I am not interested also in having a particular religious viewpoint being enacted into law...
he CAN raise the money...
what 'religious' viewpoint does he want to enact into law??? btw, presidents don't make laws - well, they aren't supposed to, that isn't their job, it's not constitutional... then there's BO. He does illegal stuff on a regular basis. He also supports 'religious' viewpoints.
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Post by lucyg on Nov 7, 2014 21:41:11 GMT
Dr. Ben Carson has a great life story, is an American success story, and may or may not be a wonderful person (I have no clue). But his beliefs and political stances are so far removed from mine that I doubt I'd ever vote for him.
And regardless of any other opinions he may hold, denying the existence of evolution is an absolute deal-breaker for me. It's a sign that he's not going to believe in anything else I believe in, either.
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Post by lucyg on Nov 7, 2014 21:42:48 GMT
Ugh! No, I wouldn't. Not sure there is room for his ego.
says someone who voted for BO?
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Nov 7, 2014 22:11:27 GMT
As far as lacking prior experience, that doesn't really bother me considering our current President had a made-up "community organizer" job before he decided to start in politics. (I'm saying made-up because I had never heard of one prior to him). It's made-up if you've never heard of it? I know several professional community organizers - people with impressive educations and skill sets. Like Mr. Obama did, they oversee budgets, supervise a paid staff and hundreds of volunteers, raise money, help citizens, and effect change. Ms. Palin openly mocked Mr. Obama for the job; since then, it's become a term of revilement among many. Also, this is Mr. Obama's rough chronological resume: - Community organizer (4 years) - Law student (3 years) - Community organizer (9-month project) - Author - Constitutional law lecturer (4 years, then 8 years part-time) - Law firm associate (4 years) - State senator (8 years) - US senator (4 years) The man spent his first years out of college as a (demonstrably successful) community organizer. (I spent my first years out of college as a waitress.) Whatever anyone thinks of him now, it's absolutely confounding that this job has become the thing that exclusively defines the 25 years of his life between college graduation and the US presidency. EDIT: Sarah Palin: "I guess a small town mayor is kind of like a community organizer, except that you have actual responsibilities." <thunderous applause> |
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I'm not a straight ticket voter, and honestly I think that in any place other than Utah and maybe Texas, I would be a republican. If the republicans could get past the tea partiers on the local level and put a moderate up, I would gladly take a second look at them.
