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Post by riversong1963 on Nov 21, 2020 21:03:06 GMT
Well, Dear Lizzy might not know/approve of it, but I'm sure that she will take the money. And she won't turn around and donate it to the poor. If she did that, I might be a little impressed. If she didn't do it with the $40 food gift card, I doubt she'll do it with the crap ton of money that this auction will bring in.
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Post by Frazzled Mom on Nov 21, 2020 21:32:16 GMT
This is beyond disgusting. After getting hundreds of thousands of dollars from the GoFundMe?!? They should be ashamed to flaunt their greed so openly. In my area people are not only dealing with COVID financial hardships, but we had wildfires in August destroy many neighborhoods and almost 1000 people lost EVERYTHING. The sweet woman who has been trying to keep her Chinese restaurant afloat this year lost her home to the fires and then opened up her restaurant to feed the firefighters and fire victims at no charge. Call me harsh, but a lot of people have suffered loss this year and seeing this kind of money grab for the entitled Kartchner clan makes me
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Post by scrappydo on Nov 21, 2020 22:35:15 GMT
It makes me so uncomfortable to see this happening when we all know there's so much more need that could do with being highlighted and having people support by giving...
I'm choosing to think of this as a community where one of their friends is genuinely hurting and they are rallying around to support one of their own. That perhaps anyone of us might choose to support a member of our own community if they were in a similar position of suddenly losing a husband and dad.
I'm choosing to think this because I like so many of those that have jumped on board and I don't want to think badly of them.
My opting to think like this doesn't negate any of the points you have made about the ickiness of asking the public to contribute financially. I've found a couple of small caused to donate to instead as my response... the ones that don't have a slew of public followers to promote their cause.
I guess I'm also thinking of a friend who lost her husband and father to her kids and just how devastated they were and just how genuinely she was incapable of thinking straight for months.
At the end of the day.... it could be any one of us, and how lovely would it be to have a community to support us as much as they could?
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Post by frenchie on Nov 21, 2020 22:45:18 GMT
I have been donating to a local organization " Beverly's Birthdays" who provides birthday parties to homeless children. So many organizations that help those who actually need the help! Can you even imagine what these smaller organizations would do with that kind of money?? Thank you for sharing this. What a wonderful cause. Will definitely be donating!
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Post by Skellinton on Nov 21, 2020 23:37:44 GMT
It makes me so uncomfortable to see this happening when we all know there's so much more need that could do with being highlighted and having people support by giving... I'm choosing to think of this as a community where one of their friends is genuinely hurting and they are rallying around to support one of their own. That perhaps anyone of us might choose to support a member of our own community if they were in a similar position of suddenly losing a husband and dad. I'm choosing to think this because I like so many of those that have jumped on board and I don't want to think badly of them. My opting to think like this doesn't negate any of the points you have made about the ickiness of asking the public to contribute financially. I've found a couple of small caused to donate to instead as my response... the ones that don't have a slew of public followers to promote their cause. I guess I'm also thinking of a friend who lost her husband and father to her kids and just how devastated they were and just how genuinely she was incapable of thinking straight for months. At the end of the day.... it could be any one of us, and how lovely would it be to have a community to support us as much as they could? I get what you are saying about her community supporting her, but they could quite easily do it themselves without this auction or asking the public to do it. I am fairly certain BH could donate the 100.00 minimum bid herself. I have no issue if Stacey Julian, TH, HS and whoever else donate to Lizzy, the problem is they are auctioning off items they know will get outrageous bids to benefit someone who has already received a lot of financial donations from their fans. I don’t see any of them auctioning off items where the proceeds benefit meals on wheels or the humane society or any of the other amazing charities listed in this thread. And I know I keep harping on this but the fact that they equate material items with love makes me irrationally angry.
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Post by ss on Nov 21, 2020 23:40:18 GMT
Frenchie, that is so sweet of you!
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Post by lasteve1 on Nov 22, 2020 0:04:37 GMT
I see lots of people suggesting great charities on this thread so I wanted to pop in with some friendly US tax advice... If you donate up to $300 cash to a charity (a registered 501(c)(3) charity, not this auction) you can deduct it on your taxes even if you don't itemize your deductions for 2020. So everyone should do this if they can (in prior years you had to itemize your deductions to get any tax benefit for charitable donations and most people do not itemize their deductions... if you aren't sure, you probably don't)! It won't give you a straight $300 off your tax bill, but it definitely helps and you can give to a good cause in the process.
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Post by ScrapbookMyLife on Nov 22, 2020 0:35:11 GMT
Mrs Kartchner cutting up the gift card, disgusts me.
Small business people(waitstaff/bartender with hours cut, dog groomer, hairstylist, manicurist, car washers, lawn maintenance crews, housekeepers, the independent corner bakery, the independent small restaurant owner, the dry cleaner, the local florist, etc...), myself included. Many were businesses were shut down for awhile putting people out of work and are now working very few hours. Any of us whose income has been drastically cut or worse >> no income at all, would have been grateful and thankful for that gift card. Instead that gift card was arrogantly chopped up and tossed away.
Mrs Kartchner probably has no idea what's it like to be hungry. She probably has no idea what it's like to have $10 for a weeks worth of food. She has no idea what it's like to eat pasta every single might for dinner for weeks and months, because it's inexpensive.
But, we who are experiencing the struggle...we know what it's like. We do it without complaint. We're grateful for what we do have. We don't expect help from anyone.
Mrs Kartchners arrogance and greed, is disgusting.
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Post by scrappydo on Nov 22, 2020 0:38:09 GMT
I get what you are saying about her community supporting her, but they could quite easily do it themselves without this auction or asking the public to do it. I am fairly certain BH could donate the 100.00 minimum bid herself. I have no issue if Stacey Julian, TH, HS and whoever else donate to Lizzy, the problem is they are auctioning off items they know will get outrageous bids to benefit someone who has already received a lot of financial donations from their fans. I don’t see any of them auctioning off items where the proceeds benefit meals on wheels or the humane society or any of the other amazing charities listed in this thread. And I know I keep harping on this but the fact that they equate material items with love makes me irrationally angry. I hear you... that is definitely one of the ick factors
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Post by jediannie on Nov 22, 2020 3:47:50 GMT
So I saw that Tazhiana and Kristen (the scrappy sisters) donated something to this and I reached out to Tazhi. She was totally cool about it, didn’t block me or calls me a hater and had a civil conversation about it. I didn’t change her mind but at least I got to air my feelings about how icky this is to someone who donated product/time/etc. She’s still a class act in my book.
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Post by artsyk on Nov 22, 2020 4:47:06 GMT
I wish the people in charge of doing this would donate it to a charity or a few that really need it.
I also got the feeling that it is a way to boost new people in the business...or to get attention to more people.
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Post by joblackford on Nov 22, 2020 5:47:18 GMT
I see lots of people suggesting great charities on this thread so I wanted to pop in with some friendly US tax advice... If you donate up to $300 cash to a charity (a registered 501(c)(3) charity, not this auction) you can deduct it on your taxes even if you don't itemize your deductions for 2020. So everyone should do this if they can (in prior years you had to itemize your deductions to get any tax benefit for charitable donations and most people do not itemize their deductions... if you aren't sure, you probably don't)! It won't give you a straight $300 off your tax bill, but it definitely helps and you can give to a good cause in the process. Thanks for this info. We never itemize but it would be nice to get this little benefit. Is this specifically just for the 2020 tax year, or going forward?
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Post by gb2015 on Nov 22, 2020 6:13:25 GMT
So I saw that Tazhiana and Kristen (the scrappy sisters) donated something to this and I reached out to Tazhi. She was totally cool about it, didn’t block me or calls me a hater and had a civil conversation about it. I didn’t change her mind but at least I got to air my feelings about how icky this is to someone who donated product/time/etc. She’s still a class act in my book. Oh I'm so glad to hear this. I understand both sides, I think, and although I definitely feel the strong ick factor about this, I'm not losing sleep over it or anything. But it makes me so happy to Tazhi had a great conversation with you about it, thanks for sharing that. I really adore her!
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Post by scrapaddict702 on Nov 22, 2020 8:19:07 GMT
I don't know if this is better or worse than turning your dead child into a brand like that one woman did...was that the baby boy bakery person?
It's one thing to make sure they're not suffering financially in the immediate future, but this is insane. The level of privilege on display here is absolutely infuriating. Fuck her privilege.
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Post by lasteve1 on Nov 22, 2020 13:41:34 GMT
I see lots of people suggesting great charities on this thread so I wanted to pop in with some friendly US tax advice... If you donate up to $300 cash to a charity (a registered 501(c)(3) charity, not this auction) you can deduct it on your taxes even if you don't itemize your deductions for 2020. So everyone should do this if they can (in prior years you had to itemize your deductions to get any tax benefit for charitable donations and most people do not itemize their deductions... if you aren't sure, you probably don't)! It won't give you a straight $300 off your tax bill, but it definitely helps and you can give to a good cause in the process. Thanks for this info. We never itemize but it would be nice to get this little benefit. Is this specifically just for the 2020 tax year, or going forward? It's going forward! However, I wouldn't be surprised if we see a major tax overhaul in the next administration... ETA: This change was part of the Coronavirus Aid, Relief & Economic Security Act in an attempt to encourage more charitable donations this year, so that's why I'm a little skeptical it will stay around, but hopeful!
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Post by crafty on Nov 22, 2020 15:05:38 GMT
This auction goes beyond disappointing to me, it downright pisses me off. I unfollowed Cathy Zielske as soon as she posted about it. She was hanging by a thread already with my follow. She pretends to be kind but her true colors often come out.
It is so gross. If my friend is having a hard time, I don't ask strangers to help her (especially when making over $300,000 on a Go Fund Me), I help her. Or vice versa. All these scrap people could have pitched in and helped her.
And I hate to break it to Liz, but she may have to alter her plans. Plenty of people have to change their lifestyle when a death happens in the family-especially when they didn't purchase life insurance. She may have to change going to school full time and go part time and get a more traditional job. She may have to sell the house and downsize. It happens. It sucks.
She's fortunate that she probably will never end up homeless.
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Post by julie5 on Nov 22, 2020 15:39:56 GMT
This auction goes beyond disappointing to me, it downright pisses me off. I unfollowed Cathy Zielske as soon as she posted about it. She was hanging by a thread already with my follow. She pretends to be kind but her true colors often come out. It is so gross. If my friend is having a hard time, I don't ask strangers to help her (especially when making over $300,000 on a Go Fund Me), I help her. Or vice versa. All these scrap people could have pitched in and helped her. And I hate to break it to Liz, but she may have to alter her plans. Plenty of people have to change their lifestyle when a death happens in the family-especially when they didn't purchase life insurance. She may have to change going to school full time and go part time and get a more traditional job. She may have to sell the house and downsize. It happens. It sucks. She's fortunate that she probably will never end up homeless. Yep Cathy zielske is an Ellen. I figured that out awhile back. Very clique ish.
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Post by sleepingbooty on Nov 22, 2020 15:42:41 GMT
Meanwhile, my favourite podcasters are all teaming together next week to do a Black Friday live stream charity event to fund the senatorial race in Georgia. I'll be listening along but not donating as I'm not a US citizen (not allowed). I'll make a couple of donations elsewhere in lieu of contributing to the senatorial race fund. The 2020 US elections are not over yet! US Peas: don't forget you can make an impact by supporting Raphael Warnock and Jon Ossoff and help flip Georgia if you're looking to donate for the holidays.
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Post by scrapbookmomof4 on Nov 22, 2020 17:55:19 GMT
I get a lot of the comments here. But I have also seen a lot of these people raise money for other things too. I have seen them support Black Lives Matter, Hurricanes, Wild Fires, Mental Health organizations, cancer research, art for underprivileged kids and a lot more. I guess Elizabeth could support herself and these celebs could just donate the money. But I'm not going to hate of them for being willing to help. I bet a lot of them don't even really know her that well and were asked to help and just don't turn down opportunities to help. Does anyone know what happened to her husband? I feel bad for her kids.
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Post by susanstwins on Nov 22, 2020 17:56:32 GMT
this is awful, I'm out of the loop. Why did she cut up a gift card?
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Post by crafty on Nov 22, 2020 18:18:23 GMT
I get a lot of the comments here. But I have also seen a lot of these people raise money for other things too. I have seen them support Black Lives Matter, Hurricanes, Wild Fires, Mental Health organizations, cancer research, art for underprivileged kids and a lot more. I guess Elizabeth could support herself and these celebs could just donate the money. But I'm not going to hate of them for being willing to help. I bet a lot of them don't even really know her that well and were asked to help and just don't turn down opportunities to help. Does anyone know what happened to her husband? I feel bad for her kids. No clue what happened to him. The part (for me) that is gross is that she just raised $350,000 and that amount started at $100,000 (maybe only $50,000) and they kept raising it.
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Post by Eddie-n-Harley on Nov 22, 2020 18:33:18 GMT
this is awful, I'm out of the loop. Why did she cut up a gift card? Short version: her estranged brother in law sent it to her and it made her angry. Long version: Starts around page 7 of this thread (at least, I think we all have the same pagination and I think the link will take you to page 7). Anyway, @zingermack posted Liz's instagram images, and the saga starts around there-- I think there are a few posts above it but the instagram pages are an easy landmark.
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Post by susanstwins on Nov 22, 2020 18:38:29 GMT
this is awful, I'm out of the loop. Why did she cut up a gift card? Short version: her estranged brother in law sent it to her and it made her angry. Long version: Starts around page 7 of this thread (at least, I think we all have the same pagination and I think the link will take you to page 7). Anyway, @zingermack posted Liz's instagram images, and the saga starts around there-- I think there are a few posts above it but the instagram pages are an easy landmark. thanks for the reader's digest version
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Post by cmpeter on Nov 22, 2020 19:10:43 GMT
I've seen a couple mentions along this line. I only follow CZ on YouTube. Can someone elaborate?
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Post by julie5 on Nov 22, 2020 19:48:24 GMT
I've seen a couple mentions along this line. I only follow CZ on YouTube. Can someone elaborate? As I said above she’s like Ellen degeneras who claims to be nice but is really just bitchy. Last year sometime some card maker her and Jennifer McGuire are stuck up with was bitchy on YouTube about people copying her. Which was kind of the whole point since she was making commissions off sales of items she was using. Cz gets in on it and basically a calls everyone who copies a thief. She takes it up a notch with something along the lines of (my memory is fuzzy sorry) you need to shut up and listen to her and be respectful or fick off. It was not remotely nice and it was basically veiled mean girl behavior. I unfollowed and quite frankly I’m glad. She’s ridiculous in what she posts. Very full of herself and her cards are very basic. She’s an over the hill hipster still trying to be cool. She’s failing.
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Post by scrapaddict702 on Nov 22, 2020 19:56:18 GMT
This auction goes beyond disappointing to me, it downright pisses me off. I unfollowed Cathy Zielske as soon as she posted about it. She was hanging by a thread already with my follow. She pretends to be kind but her true colors often come out. It is so gross. If my friend is having a hard time, I don't ask strangers to help her (especially when making over $300,000 on a Go Fund Me), I help her. Or vice versa. All these scrap people could have pitched in and helped her. And I hate to break it to Liz, but she may have to alter her plans. Plenty of people have to change their lifestyle when a death happens in the family-especially when they didn't purchase life insurance. She may have to change going to school full time and go part time and get a more traditional job. She may have to sell the house and downsize. It happens. It sucks. She's fortunate that she probably will never end up homeless. Yeah, it gets under my skin when popular people get credit for fundraising efforts by doing nothing other than using their platform to get others (people like me who do okay but aren't living lavishly) to help. It's great to bring awareness to a cause, but if that's YOUR only contribution as the person broadcasting it? Well, tacky is a total understatement. I feel like it's taking advantage of regular everyday people because these 'influencers' are all far more privileged than most of the people donating. Makes me wonder how many people ACTUALLY struggling financially have donated to help keep this lifestyle afloat because they're good people or too naive to see through the shenanigans at play here.
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Post by scrapaddict702 on Nov 22, 2020 20:05:35 GMT
I've seen a couple mentions along this line. I only follow CZ on YouTube. Can someone elaborate? As I said above she’s like Ellen degeneras who claims to be nice but is really just bitchy. Last year sometime some card maker her and Jennifer McGuire are stuck up with was bitchy on YouTube about people copying her. Which was kind of the whole point since she was making commissions off sales of items she was using. Cz gets in on it and basically a calls everyone who copies a thief. She takes it up a notch with something along the lines of (my memory is fuzzy sorry) you need to shut up and listen to her and be respectful or fick off. It was not remotely nice and it was basically veiled mean girl behavior. I unfollowed and quite frankly I’m glad. She’s ridiculous in what she posts. Very full of herself and her cards are very basic. She’s an over the hill hipster still trying to be cool. She’s failing. I get the sense that all of these 'big names' pretend to be nice and likeable because that's their job. I presume that they are all just good actors and try not to fawn over any of them anymore. Kristina Werner lost her shit about being 'copied' and wanting credit by way of writing 'idea by KW' on cards if they used a technique or layout or whatever she showed. If you want to keep your stuff private and not have it copied, then don't share it with others. If you want to make money off of those ideas by sharing them, then you don't get to get mad and claim ownership when you literally give a step by step process to creating that thing. Can't have it both ways...either you share and make money off of sales of the items you're featuring or you keep ownership of that idea, don't share it and don't make money off of it.
It's like a lot of these people don't understand that demoing how to make something is essentially a class where copying is how you learn how to do the thing. You don't see instructors at expos or LSS showing people how to make something but also shouting to give them credit for what you make using what they teach you and that if you copy what they teach, you're stealing. It's the most fucking stupid level of wanting your cake and eating it, too I've ever seen. They're coloring images and putting them down in an aesthetically pleasing manner, they're not painting the Sistine Chapel.
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Post by Skellinton on Nov 22, 2020 21:16:39 GMT
Well, Dear Lizzy might not know/approve of it, but I'm sure that she will take the money. And she won't turn around and donate it to the poor. If she did that, I might be a little impressed. If she didn't do it with the $40 food gift card, I doubt she'll do it with the crap ton of money that this auction will bring in. She knows. She linked the post in her stories. Then talked about wanting to punch Santa.
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Post by jediannie on Nov 22, 2020 22:19:08 GMT
She knows. She linked the post in her stories. Then talked about wanting to punch Santa. WTF. Grief is an ugly (but necessary) thing and she really needs a different sounding board than instagram. Maybe all her scrappy celeb friends should call her instead of shilling for more cash. Money is not going to solve any of her current issues. When my friend's husband died in an accident, our friend circle each took her out for a meal or sent her a care package every week for the year after her husband died. She loved it and I wish we could have continued doing it but with Covid we weren't able to go out but I still send a card a month.
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Post by julie5 on Nov 22, 2020 22:31:01 GMT
Well, Dear Lizzy might not know/approve of it, but I'm sure that she will take the money. And she won't turn around and donate it to the poor. If she did that, I might be a little impressed. If she didn't do it with the $40 food gift card, I doubt she'll do it with the crap ton of money that this auction will bring in. She knows. She linked the post in her stories. Then talked about wanting to punch Santa. Man what did Santa ever do to her?
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