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Post by Skellinton on Nov 24, 2020 1:04:54 GMT
Someone following do you mind sharing what the items end up going for? I want to be properly horrified. TIA! I added up the bids and I came up with.....wait for it.....$20,655 Wow. We should all be so loved.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2020 1:09:46 GMT
I added up the bids and I came up with.....wait for it.....$20,655 Wow. We should all be so loved. That’s a lot of Christmas presents. 🎁
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Post by Jessica on Nov 24, 2020 1:26:08 GMT
You ladies summed up what I've been thinking and I only have one thing to say...
Egads.
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Post by julie5 on Nov 24, 2020 1:51:52 GMT
Wow. We should all be so loved. That’s a lot of Christmas presents. 🎁 That’s my daughters college tuition. Sweet Jesus.
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Post by Skellinton on Nov 24, 2020 1:56:41 GMT
That’s a lot of Christmas presents. 🎁 That’s my daughters college tuition. Sweet Jesus. It is nearly the price of a new car. Sweet Jesus, egads and a holy Moses for good measure.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2020 1:59:11 GMT
That’s a lot of Christmas presents. 🎁 That’s my daughters college tuition. Sweet Jesus. Same here! My daughter lives at home & commutes to campus. 20k is 2 years tuition.
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Post by lasteve1 on Nov 24, 2020 2:09:58 GMT
I see both sides of this situation so i'm not going to judge either side here... I feel for Lizzy and her kids, but money won't solve their problems and there are a lot of people who are really needy for money out there. They already raised a lot and this is raising a lot more so far...
The tax lawyer in me is not thrilled by the blatant passing of huge sums of money to someone tax free. But I also just have to think of the laws regulating charities... Lizzy lives in Utah right? Because it's illegal to solicit charitable donations with the proceeds going to someone in Utah without registering and getting approved (you can't just run a "charity" without actually being a charity). And if you do it or receive the proceeds it's a class B misdemeanor (6 months jail + $1000 fine). Not the kind of thing people enforce for small dollar amounts, but if it gets up there... this just seems like not the right way to go about helping your friend.
ETA: I wouldn't want anyone involved in this "auction" to get in trouble because I believe their hearts are in the right place, but this just seems like an all around bad idea... (unless someone actually had the good sense to apply to be a charity for this purpose, but I am not getting that impression...)
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Post by Ohno on Nov 24, 2020 2:16:12 GMT
I see both sides of this situation so i'm not going to judge either side here... I feel for Lizzy and her kids, but money won't solve their problems and there are a lot of people who are really needy for money out there. They already raised a lot and this is raising a lot more so far... The lawyer in me in not thrilled by the blatant disregard of tax law. But I also just have to think of the laws regulating charities... Lizzy lives in Utah right? Because it's illegal to solicit charitable donations with the proceeds going to someone in Utah without registering and getting approved (you can't just run a "charity" without actually being a charity). And if you do it or receive the proceeds it's a class B misdemeanor (6 months jail + $1000 fine). Not the kind of thing people enforce for small dollar amounts, but if it gets up there... this just seems like not the right way to go about helping your friend. Well, a $1,000 fine is a drop in the Kartchner bucket. Is it taxable? I just honestly won’t be buying products endorsed by any of these crazy people for quite a while. (Although I wonder how many felt bullied to participate.). Do we know who started the auction? I’ll spend my charitable money helping my son’s boyhood friend who is currently homeless.
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Post by Ohno on Nov 24, 2020 2:19:43 GMT
Did Tracie Claiborne contribute?
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Post by joblackford on Nov 24, 2020 5:26:29 GMT
Who the hell are these people bidding hundreds of dollars for a person they most likely do not know? Are they going to wake up tomorrow and be like WTF did I do? I think the whole thing is gross, but if the bids would be hovering right around the "value" or double of the item, I would have still rolled my eyes wondering why her "friends" can't just help her, but the ridiculous amounts are just so bizarre to me. I had a scroll through and some seemed to be shop owners who had also contributed items. Not sure if they’re just bidding to drive up prices or if they plan to claim it as a business expense somehow if they win... But I also recognized at least one regular lady who I follow on IG. Maybe hoping to get a good deal on something she would want to buy anyway. Idk. I don’t think she was bidding sky high prices. Of course a lot of these auction items cost the offerer nothing, or significantly less than the quoted “value.” And goodness only knows how they’re fudging this stuff on their business taxes too. Maybe I’m too cynical. I’m glad someone is doing the math. And our resident tax expert is here. Is it over soon?
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Post by joblackford on Nov 24, 2020 5:29:26 GMT
Not supporting any of these businesses will have me frozen - practically the entire industry seems to be involved. Oh well. I’m not going to blame any of them for feeling like they should do this, it would be hard to say no and some probably genuinely want to help, but I’m not impressed.
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Post by starlight on Nov 24, 2020 5:40:03 GMT
I ended up unfollowing a lot of these folks on insta bc it makes me feely icky. I really don't need to buy more in 2021 anyway and these accounts are basically ads.
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Post by lasteve1 on Nov 24, 2020 14:24:05 GMT
There's a good chance this money isn't taxable. It's hard to know for sure without knowing everything going on behind the scenes, but it's probably considered a gift. For the violation of charity laws I wasn't thinking the $1000 fine would be a big deal for Liz, but the 6 months in jail would be...
For those of you feeling the need to unfollow brands that are participating, I want to point out that Kelly Purkey does not seem to be participating in this auction and her email today said that a portion of profits from one of her new products releasing tomorrow will be donated to Feeding America.
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Post by scrapcat on Nov 24, 2020 16:48:18 GMT
I see both sides of this situation so i'm not going to judge either side here... I feel for Lizzy and her kids, but money won't solve their problems and there are a lot of people who are really needy for money out there. They already raised a lot and this is raising a lot more so far... The tax lawyer in me is not thrilled by the blatant passing of huge sums of money to someone tax free. But I also just have to think of the laws regulating charities... Lizzy lives in Utah right? Because it's illegal to solicit charitable donations with the proceeds going to someone in Utah without registering and getting approved (you can't just run a "charity" without actually being a charity). And if you do it or receive the proceeds it's a class B misdemeanor (6 months jail + $1000 fine). Not the kind of thing people enforce for small dollar amounts, but if it gets up there... this just seems like not the right way to go about helping your friend. ETA: I wouldn't want anyone involved in this "auction" to get in trouble because I believe their hearts are in the right place, but this just seems like an all around bad idea... (unless someone actually had the good sense to apply to be a charity for this purpose, but I am not getting that impression...) I agree on seeing both sides, and my financial regulator brain immediately goes to the legalities. I was curious if Instagram has any guidelines on these types of "auctions". Some states also require a license to be obtained, like from community affairs/consumer protection for things like this. I know someone who got jammed up for having one of those bag bingo events to benefit an organization. I haven't followed most of these people in a long time. I still follow HS and AE for their creative content, but I mostly ignore their "lifestyle" content. I am part of a few events/communities that participated in the auction. I am trying to not judge them because as far as I can tell they are "newer" to the industry....I've been around this world for almost 20 years, so I remember the CKC scrapbooker of the year, and when a lot of these people actually used to scrap and create. I mostly stopped following them when they stopped sharing that and started being "influencers". Maybe some of the participants and their impressions of people are different because they only know or have seen so much? I can't shame people for wanting to help someone, regardless if I agree with them or not. And I'm not going to assume they don't support other organizations, it's not necessarily a zero sum game. I appreciate people who do charitable endeavors without receiving adoration or feedback for it. This is just my opinion. I think earlier in this thread or maybe it was the other one, I saw people recommending some other charitable causes and just want to refer anyone to an Instagram account @theblackfairygodmotherofficial. I found her thru author, Liz Gilbert, and she has been recognized by many newspapers, achieved awards for her charitable acts. She provides immediate assistance to anyone really, but specifically victims of domestic violence, her team works to get people to safety. She helps get them back on their feet, whether its helping with bills, child expenses, college, etc. There are all kinds of people to help which are vetted by their team. They constantly provide updates if something isn't as it seems, etc, very accountable. If you are not comfortable with sending money, you can purchase items off of amazon and target lists, etc. So just wanted to share in case someone is interested in helping people in serious need.
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Post by artsyk on Nov 24, 2020 17:23:47 GMT
It ends Wednesday at Noon est
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Post by anniefb on Nov 24, 2020 17:26:45 GMT
I have a lot of sympathy for DL and her family after their loss but I must admit that this auction just left me feeling yuck. Just made a donation to the Auckland City Mission instead.
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Post by cbscrapper on Nov 24, 2020 18:16:30 GMT
Just wow. 🍿🍿🍿
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Post by twillerbee on Nov 24, 2020 18:50:29 GMT
I donated to her Go fund me on the very first day and now I am feeling disgusted knowing how it all played out. I feel like a total idiot for donating. I honestly think that no family deserves to go through this kind of a loss but unfortunately it happened to them. I still wish them best but this greediness for money is just crazy. For the kind of money they are getting, they can easily buy a decent house or pay off their mortgage completely and still have some money left (if they plan well). That's a big privilege they get then most people do. Not everyone can pay off their mortgages so quickly and so many parents do 2 jobs to earn a decent living. The sad truth is that Katchners have so much more money now than most people who donated.Not too many people have 350K-400K surplus in their accounts.
They kept increasing their goal on go fund me and that was a big red flag and heights of being greedy. So many people donated out of the goodness of their heart and their go fund me is still going strong. And on top of that all the money they got via venmo.
About this auction and all companies/influencers involved in it, they want nothing else but a stamp of them being kind/supportive/inclusive. I can't even look at that IG feed anymore. Just wrong.
ETA....they need some serious counseling, more than the money they are about to get. All of their so called friends jsut need to do something meaningful for them instead of showing the world that money can buy happiness.
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Post by jediannie on Nov 24, 2020 18:55:55 GMT
I think earlier in this thread or maybe it was the other one, I saw people recommending some other charitable causes and just want to refer anyone to an Instagram account @theblackfairygodmotherofficial. I found her thru author, Liz Gilbert, and she has been recognized by many newspapers, achieved awards for her charitable acts. She provides immediate assistance to anyone really, but specifically victims of domestic violence, her team works to get people to safety. She helps get them back on their feet, whether its helping with bills, child expenses, college, etc. There are all kinds of people to help which are vetted by their team. They constantly provide updates if something isn't as it seems, etc, very accountable. If you are not comfortable with sending money, you can purchase items off of amazon and target lists, etc. So just wanted to share in case someone is interested in helping people in serious need. I've donated to this one a few times. She's great and helps so many people. This is where I prefer to give my money, people who actually need financial support to get a hand up. I'll say it again, I really do feel for Lizzy, I hope she gets the grief counseling she desperately needs.
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Post by suzyuk111 on Nov 24, 2020 18:58:47 GMT
I hope that DL has purchased private insurance so her children are protected in the future
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Post by Eddie-n-Harley on Nov 24, 2020 18:59:42 GMT
Who the hell are these people bidding hundreds of dollars for a person they most likely do not know? Are they going to wake up tomorrow and be like WTF did I do? I'm going to be very interested to know if all the auctions actually get paid for by the highest bidders. On eBay, it's pretty clear that you're entering a contract when you place a bid, and there's a consequence if I as the buyer don't pay for what I bid on. How does one enforce payment of an auction on instagram, particularly if that's contrary to the site's terms of use?
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Post by jtmom on Nov 24, 2020 19:13:41 GMT
I feel better knowing others feel like I do about this! For the last few days I have wondered if I am becoming the mean old lady cause this whole campaign is not sitting well at all with me and I am finding myself unfollowing a lot of those involved.
I am very sorry she has lost her husband. It is horrible and I don't wish that pain on anyone but the GoFundMe raised enough money for her to have time to grieve and not worry about work. I am sorry they didn't think of getting insurance but that was a choice. Again, the GFM should cover A LOT. Just not understanding what makes her so different from all of the other people that have gone thru extreme loss this year.
Why couldn't these "industry influencers" who are her friends, do this on their own like everyone else? How much does a family need monetarily to have a great Christmas? I feel like its another hey look at me and how charitable I am while actually not being charitable at all.
Also, where are their own families to step in and help? I thought part of Morman belief is you help your brothers and sisters which is why you stockpile why worry they would be homeless wouldn't the church be there?
Now can someone explain those "net worth" sites, I hear they are inflated but are they totally fake? I ask because if you google his name it says his net worth was 20 Million and hers between 1 - 5 Million
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Post by jediannie on Nov 24, 2020 19:34:26 GMT
Who the hell are these people bidding hundreds of dollars for a person they most likely do not know? Are they going to wake up tomorrow and be like WTF did I do? I'm going to be very interested to know if all the auctions actually get paid for by the highest bidders. On eBay, it's pretty clear that you're entering a contract when you place a bid, and there's a consequence if I as the buyer don't pay for what I bid on. How does one enforce payment of an auction on instagram, particularly if that's contrary to the site's terms of use? Same question! If I was a huge jerk, I would have bid on all of them with outrageous numbers just to show them how bad of an idea this is but I'm only a partial jerk for thinking of that.
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Post by joblackford on Nov 24, 2020 19:36:44 GMT
I think earlier in this thread or maybe it was the other one, I saw people recommending some other charitable causes and just want to refer anyone to an Instagram account @theblackfairygodmotherofficial. I found her thru author, Liz Gilbert, and she has been recognized by many newspapers, achieved awards for her charitable acts. She provides immediate assistance to anyone really, but specifically victims of domestic violence, her team works to get people to safety. She helps get them back on their feet, whether its helping with bills, child expenses, college, etc. There are all kinds of people to help which are vetted by their team. They constantly provide updates if something isn't as it seems, etc, very accountable. If you are not comfortable with sending money, you can purchase items off of amazon and target lists, etc. So just wanted to share in case someone is interested in helping people in serious need. Thank you for sharing this! Very good to know about.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2020 19:47:50 GMT
Another thing that bothers me is that DL has the link to the GFM page on her IG account. AND she continues to post things to tug at people’s heartstrings. I kind of feel like there’s some manipulation happening to get more money. Sorry, that’s the cynic in me talking.
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Post by Skellinton on Nov 24, 2020 19:55:30 GMT
Another thing that bothers me is that DL has the link to the GFM page on her IG account. AND she continues to post things to tug at people’s heartstrings. I kind of feel like there’s some manipulation happening to get more money. Sorry, that’s the cynic in me talking. And links to the auction as well. She also posted several screen shots of random money people had sent her. My gramma would say she is being gauche. I think that is a much more polite term to describe how I would say DL is acting.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2020 20:03:33 GMT
Another thing that bothers me is that DL has the link to the GFM page on her IG account. AND she continues to post things to tug at people’s heartstrings. I kind of feel like there’s some manipulation happening to get more money. Sorry, that’s the cynic in me talking. And links to the auction as well. She also posted several screen shots of random money people had sent her. My gramma would say she is being gauche. I think that is a much more polite term to describe how I would say DL is acting. I didn’t notice the auction link or the screen shots. Wow. That is just so...I can’t even think of the right word. I guess disgusting comes to mind.
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Post by rymeswithpurple on Nov 24, 2020 20:12:44 GMT
Someone commented on their most recent post, "Hi there, very sorry for your loss, but I'm getting confused about where this money is going and what it's for? Is all this being donated to a charity that the Kartchner family sponsors? Is it going to a Covid charity perhaps?"
And the reply was, "omg. Please just donate"
Just... wow.
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Post by PaperAngel on Nov 24, 2020 20:23:37 GMT
Another thing that bothers me is that DL has the link to the GFM page on her IG account. AND she continues to post things to tug at people’s heartstrings. I kind of feel like there’s some manipulation happening to get more money. Sorry, that’s the cynic in me talking. Since I've never purchased any Dear Lizzy products & don't participate in social media, I was unfamiliar with her (or her husband/family & didn't even know their last name). Per this SLC Tribune article, it appears her late husband used (someone else's) tragedy to launch his anti-social media message on social media platforms. She risks her social media conduct & promotion/acceptance of donations being interpreted not only by her customers, as seen on this site, but also her children as shilling their tragedy for financial/professional gain &/or contrary to their dad's message/legacy. I just hope for her & her young children's sakes that she's a better steward with the $300K+ generously donated to her family than she demonstrated when destroying the restaurant gift card. Thinking of her, her children, & all others whose loved ones have died this year due to COVID or other causes.
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Post by julie5 on Nov 24, 2020 20:30:42 GMT
Someone commented on their most recent post, "Hi there, very sorry for your loss, but I'm getting confused about where this money is going and what it's for? Is all this being donated to a charity that the Kartchner family sponsors? Is it going to a Covid charity perhaps?" And the reply was, "omg. Please just donate" Just... wow. I found that amd on the one hand, how bitchy. And on the other hand, if you can’t figure out who the charity is for (I mean, it’s in THE NAME), then maybe just find another charity?
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