samantha25
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Post by samantha25 on Nov 25, 2020 6:16:43 GMT
Who cares? Is this an "official" event for FLOTUS, why not leave it up to the decorators? Why is FLOTUS in charge? Seems like an outdated event (like picking china patterns, etc.) , especially if FLOTUS has no "hip" decorating passion. Just have decorators decorate and leave the decorations up to those that know how to do it. There's much more important things to do, because a new FLOTUS position can and will have opinions of the direction of this country. IMO.
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Post by PolarGreen12 on Nov 25, 2020 6:24:51 GMT
It’s part of a tradition. It’s a way for FLOTUS to connect with the American people. Obviously the current one doesn’t give a fuck.
“Although previous presidential administrations displayed Christmas trees indoors, it was First Lady Mamie Eisenhower who consistently placed a tree in the Blue Room and First Lady Jacqueline Kennedy who established the tradition of selecting a decorative theme for the Blue Room Christmas tree in 1961. The Blue Room tree tradition was interrupted twice. In 1962, the tree was moved to the Entrance Hall because of renovation work. In 1969, First Lady Patricia Nixon chose to display the tree in the Entrance Hall to make it more visible.”
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Post by samantha25 on Nov 25, 2020 6:35:04 GMT
It’s part of a tradition. It’s a way for FLOTUS to connect with the American people. Obviously the current one doesn’t give a fuck. “Although previous presidential administrations displayed Christmas trees indoors, it was First Lady Mamie Eisenhower who consistently placed a tree in the Blue Room and First Lady Jacqueline Kennedy who established the tradition of selecting a decorative theme for the Blue Room Christmas tree in 1961. The Blue Room tree tradition was interrupted twice. In 1962, the tree was moved to the Entrance Hall because of renovation work. In 1969, First Lady Patricia Nixon chose to display the tree in the Entrance Hall to make it more visible.” Yes.... from the 1960's...... who cares now? A FLOTUS has many more priorities, giving a voice to FLOTUS for their passion. Leave it to the decorators. Something really minor... only just thinking out loud. Why would FLOTUS be in charge of decorating, seems stereotypical and needs to leave.
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Dalai Mama
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Post by Dalai Mama on Nov 25, 2020 7:21:06 GMT
Agreed. If Hilary had won in 2016, would Bill have been expected to carry on this tradition? I think not.
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Post by tracylynn on Nov 25, 2020 7:32:03 GMT
It’s part of a tradition. It’s a way for FLOTUS to connect with the American people. Obviously the current one doesn’t give a fuck. “Although previous presidential administrations displayed Christmas trees indoors, it was First Lady Mamie Eisenhower who consistently placed a tree in the Blue Room and First Lady Jacqueline Kennedy who established the tradition of selecting a decorative theme for the Blue Room Christmas tree in 1961. The Blue Room tree tradition was interrupted twice. In 1962, the tree was moved to the Entrance Hall because of renovation work. In 1969, First Lady Patricia Nixon chose to display the tree in the Entrance Hall to make it more visible.” Yes.... from the 1960's...... who cares now? A FLOTUS has many more priorities, giving a voice to FLOTUS for their passion. Leave it to the decorators. Something really minor... only just thinking out loud. Why would FLOTUS be in charge of decorating, seems stereotypical and needs to leave. What priorities did Melania have? Just curious. Because she sure didn't get very far with Be Best.
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Post by pierkiss on Nov 25, 2020 10:16:54 GMT
Well this particular flotus is literally not doing anything else, so she might as well make the White House terrifying for Christmas one last time.
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AmeliaBloomer
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Nov 25, 2020 11:50:00 GMT
Is this a thing? Is she balking? ...dragging her feet? Or just conjecture based on those audio tapes?
Her choice, really. If she’s not a fan, she could have bucked tradition from the beginning in an intentional way. I’d respect that. From surface appearances, though, it doesn’t appear to me that she puts intention behind much of anything, so hard to know what holds her interest.
If she’s willing to just keep it up for appearances (pun!), she could just delegate staff. It doesn’t seem that she has so many public appearances or pet projects that her staff would be otherwise overburdened, but who knows.
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Post by schizo319 on Nov 25, 2020 11:55:31 GMT
The tradition is about more than just "decorating". Most years, the theme is something that people (often disadvantaged or disabled) from all over the country participate in, it's a big deal to have an ornament you made hanging in the White House - exactly like PolarGreen mentioned - it's about connecting with the American people. I suppose that a decorator could spearhead that, but it wouldn't have the same weight.
Frankly, I doubt that Melania is spending hours climbing on ladders hanging ornaments and swags (although I believe I read that Nancy Reagan did physically have a hand in the decorating). I have no doubt that 99.9% of the work is left up to decorators.
I love the tradition of the FLOTUS choosing a theme for Christmas every year (and why wouldn't Bill Clinton have done the same had Hillary won? It's not like choosing a Christmas theme is inherently something only a woman is capable of.)
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Nov 25, 2020 12:04:33 GMT
The tradition is about more than just "decorating". Most years, the theme is something that people (often disadvantaged or disabled) from all over the country participate in, it's a big deal to have an ornament you made hanging in the White House - exactly like PolarGreen mentioned - it's about connecting with the American people. I suppose that a decorator could spearhead that, but it wouldn't have the same weight. Frankly, I doubt that Melania is spending hours climbing on ladders hanging ornaments and swags (although I believe I read that Nancy Reagan did physically have a hand in the decorating). I have no doubt that 99.9% of the work is left up to decorators. I love the tradition of the FLOTUS choosing a theme for Christmas every year (and why wouldn't Bill Clinton have done the same had Hillary won? It's not like choosing a Christmas theme is inherently something only a woman is capable of.) Among my many disappointments about never having a President Clinton 45 is that I was gleefully looking forward to watching how Clinton 42 shaped the first First Gentlemen role. I think he would have approached it with relish. Throw in the fact that he would have done it while simultaneously wearing high heels and dancing backwards being called “Mr. President” - and, you know, being his goofus self - and it would have been a fascinating culture-bending phenomenon to watch.
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Post by Really Red on Nov 25, 2020 12:16:34 GMT
Who cares? Is this an "official" event for FLOTUS, why not leave it up to the decorators? Why is FLOTUS in charge? Seems like an outdated event (like picking china patterns, etc.) , especially if FLOTUS has no "hip" decorating passion. Just have decorators decorate and leave the decorations up to those that know how to do it. There's much more important things to do, because a new FLOTUS position can and will have opinions of the direction of this country. IMO. So let's say I was FLOTUS and I thought this was a stupid tradition. Do I do a hair flip like Melania? Or do I say, "This is a wonderful tradition. I have decided to put it in the hands of those who can carry it out the best." And then delegate it. It is ALWAYS in the way you say things and she has made it clear what she thinks about the American people and the White House over and over and over again. So that is why I care.
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Nov 25, 2020 12:36:20 GMT
No idea know why I’m posting three times in this thread, but I was just thinking about the associations my brain makes about different First Ladies - usually a combo of their pet projects (e.g. beautification, drug war, health insurance, kids’ nutrition and fitness) and - okay, I wincingly admit it - their appearance. (Don’t blame me; blame my brain.)
My brain and Melania: “Be best,” never putting her sleeves in her darn coats, and a tacky message jacket. So, mostly outerwear. LOL. (And “Be best” is more famous for the grammar than the follow-through, so my brain rather listlessly aims that in the pet projects direction.)
She really is a singularly odd First Lady. I welcome more singularly odd First Spouses in the future, but maybe just with a little more there there.
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Post by gar on Nov 25, 2020 12:59:18 GMT
Among my many disappointments about never having a President Clinton 45 is that I was gleefully looking forward to watching how Clinton 42 shaped the first First Gentlemen role. I think he would have approached it with relish. It would have been very interesting to watch certainly
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Post by hop2 on Nov 25, 2020 13:24:04 GMT
Agreed. If Hilary had won in 2016, would Bill have been expected to carry on this tradition? I think not. Maybe he would have. I’d kinda like to see what things a first man chooses to do and what differences there are
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Post by paulao on Nov 25, 2020 14:25:03 GMT
Melania needs to continue doing nothing. I think the FLOTUS should decorate but she has done nothing and I have no expectation that she will change. She needs to busy herself with packing to leave the WH.
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Post by Merge on Nov 25, 2020 14:49:17 GMT
I feel fairly certain that most First Ladies in recent years have relied on their staff and a team of decorators to actually do the planning, and then have signed off on the final concept. What’s being asked of Melania is minimal.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2020 14:56:13 GMT
I think this is just another sullen, spoiled way to say, "I didn't want the job in the first place."
Or, to quote the immortal Clerks, "I wasn't even supposed to be here today!"
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Post by elaine on Nov 25, 2020 15:05:18 GMT
I feel fairly certain that most First Ladies I’m recent years have relied on their staff and a team of decorators to actually do the planning, and then have signed off on the final concept. What’s being asked of Melania is minimal. I was about to say this. The First Lady meets with decorators who have developed plans for the various rooms and halls. It is similar to planning the decorating for a big expensive wedding - meeting with planners/reception-site decorators. I’m sure she has input and they develop sets of plans with her wishes in mind, but she isn’t graphing things out herself. I know when Obama was in office, at least twice OSTP (office of science and technology policy) built the animatronic versions of Bo and Sunny for the White House decorations. Michelle did not design, nor build them. I think that it would be appropriate to scale back decorations this year, as - due to COVID - I don’t imagine that they are running the usual dawn-to-dusk tours of the White House decked out in holiday finery. There is no need to elaborately decorate multiple rooms and hallways. I agree that it would be fine, especially since we have all already heard on tape that she doesn’t like decorating for Christmas, if Melania just focused on prepping for the upcoming move.
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Post by julie5 on Nov 25, 2020 15:14:25 GMT
I read a book about the White House once and Hilary Clinton has said that the day after her husbands inauguration the WH organizers were already meeting with her for the Xmas theme. I always thought it was neat and a fun tradition for the flotus to leave her mark.
Obviously melanoma doesn’t share my opinion. It just autocorrected to melanoma so I’m going to leave it because that made me LOL big time.
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Post by julie5 on Nov 25, 2020 15:16:30 GMT
Agreed. If Hilary had won in 2016, would Bill have been expected to carry on this tradition? I think not. Maybe he would have. I’d kinda like to see what things a first man chooses to do and what differences there are I’d like to think that a man who a)already held the office of potus and b) was supportive enough of his wife going for the same office would participate in it. I mean his wife supported him and he’s obviously ok with her political career.
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Post by scrapngranny on Nov 25, 2020 16:04:27 GMT
It is a tradition, but don’t be fooled her actual duties are not overwhelming.
She has a team of designers to help her. Her role, along with the designers to come up with a general theme and overall feel of the of the look. They brainstorm ideas, they draw up the sketches. She approves or make changes as she desires. The plans are approved and they get to work making it happen. She is not at Hobby Lobby shopping for ribbons and snowflake ornaments. With the budget and talent she has to draw from, its hardly going to cause her to break a sweat.
Melania’s whining about how much work she does is equal to Donald’s complaints about hard he works everyday.
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Post by Dalai Mama on Nov 25, 2020 16:06:37 GMT
Agreed. If Hilary had won in 2016, would Bill have been expected to carry on this tradition? I think not. Maybe he would have. I’d kinda like to see what things a first man chooses to do and what differences there are Maybe, but I guarantee that it would have been approached tongue-in-cheek and reported on in a way that still manages to take shots at women. But I'm cynical like that.
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Post by epeanymous on Nov 25, 2020 16:10:29 GMT
My two cents, they should fly down to Mar-a-lago and skip all of this. They shouldn't be hosting anyone at the white house to see any decorations anyway, and they VERY CLEARLY don't enjoy this aspect of the presidency.
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Post by lisae on Nov 25, 2020 16:28:43 GMT
First Ladies are asked to select a theme for Christmas in January or February. The actual decorating is done by the White House staff. I assume she can have as much say or as little in the details as she likes. Every modern First Lady has addressed this in her autobiography except Mrs. Obama. Not that she didn't do it, she just recounted her White House years' accomplishments she thought were more long lasting.
It will be interesting to see how this is handled when we have our first First Gentleman or whatever he is called. We had one bachelor president - Buchanan - and I think he had a niece that filled in on the First Lady duties.
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Post by jayfab on Nov 25, 2020 16:50:16 GMT
The tradition is about more than just "decorating". Most years, the theme is something that people (often disadvantaged or disabled) from all over the country participate in, it's a big deal to have an ornament you made hanging in the White House - exactly like PolarGreen mentioned - it's about connecting with the American people. I suppose that a decorator could spearhead that, but it wouldn't have the same weight. Frankly, I doubt that Melania is spending hours climbing on ladders hanging ornaments and swags (although I believe I read that Nancy Reagan did physically have a hand in the decorating). I have no doubt that 99.9% of the work is left up to decorators. I love the tradition of the FLOTUS choosing a theme for Christmas every year (and why wouldn't Bill Clinton have done the same had Hillary won? It's not like choosing a Christmas theme is inherently something only a woman is capable of.) Among my many disappointments about never having a President Clinton 45 is that I was gleefully looking forward to watching how Clinton 42 shaped the first First Gentlemen role. I think he would have approached it with relish.Throw in the fact that he would have done it while simultaneously wearing high heels and dancing backwards being called “Mr. President” - and, you know, being his goofus self - and it would have been a fascinating culture-bending phenomenon to watch. Oh for sure. He would have been a fun First Gentleman and he would have loved it I bet.
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Post by freecharlie on Nov 25, 2020 16:57:32 GMT
It’s part of a tradition. It’s a way for FLOTUS to connect with the American people. Obviously the current one doesn’t give a fuck. “Although previous presidential administrations displayed Christmas trees indoors, it was First Lady Mamie Eisenhower who consistently placed a tree in the Blue Room and First Lady Jacqueline Kennedy who established the tradition of selecting a decorative theme for the Blue Room Christmas tree in 1961. The Blue Room tree tradition was interrupted twice. In 1962, the tree was moved to the Entrance Hall because of renovation work. In 1969, First Lady Patricia Nixon chose to display the tree in the Entrance Hall to make it more visible.” Yes.... from the 1960's...... who cares now? A FLOTUS has many more priorities, giving a voice to FLOTUS for their passion. Leave it to the decorators. Something really minor... only just thinking out loud. Why would FLOTUS be in charge of decorating, seems stereotypical and needs to leave. maybe because they enjoy it? Maybe it allows them to feel Christmas a little better when they aren't in their home? In my house, I do most of the Christmas decorating. At least I pick it out. I like it. I don't think everything needs to be some fight.
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Post by freecharlie on Nov 25, 2020 17:02:57 GMT
Agreed. If Hilary had won in 2016, would Bill have been expected to carry on this tradition? I think not. why not?
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Post by freecharlie on Nov 25, 2020 17:10:13 GMT
I wanted to add that I do not vote for the first person. I do believe that person can have an agenda or initiatives, but really doesn't need to have a hand in any policy making so I'm not sure what all is more important than connecting with the people and participating in traditions that give us a cultural literacy.
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Post by refugeepea on Nov 25, 2020 17:10:41 GMT
I feel like it's an outdated tradition. It seems very 1950's expectations to me.
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Post by refugeepea on Nov 25, 2020 17:13:40 GMT
So let's say I was FLOTUS and I thought this was a stupid tradition. Do I do a hair flip like Melania? Or do I say, "This is a wonderful tradition. I have decided to put it in the hands of those who can carry it out the best." And then delegate it. This I agree with. I understand the tradition, it just seems so demeaning to delegate it to the first lady regardless of who is president. Jill Biden is a doctor who teaches college classes. Let her do that if she wants.
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Post by bc2ca on Nov 25, 2020 17:19:06 GMT
Is this an "official" event for FLOTUS, why not leave it up to the decorators? Why is FLOTUS in charge? FLOTUS is a figure head and gets credit for all the work of others. The design decisions were made months ago. All that is left is the finishing details and unveiling. It's not like she is scrambling to hit up every Michaels in a tri-state area looking desperately for a couple more red & white felt ball garlands. Or staying up half the night glue gunning a gingerbread house when the royal icing fails her. All the work is being done by others. Her input is nominal at best.
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