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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jan 13, 2021 18:02:26 GMT
It is very clear that we can no longer rely on the public to shun people who run for office that have active ties to white supremacy and other radical groups. Should there be formal vetting that precludes these people from being able to run? What else can be done to ensure that those who are elected are of good character?
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Post by peano on Jan 13, 2021 18:05:14 GMT
I dunno. The MMPI maybe? Said in jest, (kind of). Was thinking about this the other day...still thinking.
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Post by Merge on Jan 13, 2021 18:16:34 GMT
As much as I loathe Trump and the people who continue to support him, I don't think that's the way to go. I think, instead, we need to have lawmakers who are less prissy about using the powers given to them by the constitution to remove an elected official who shows that he/she participates in corruption, racist practice, or other disqualifying activities (like sedition) while in office.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jan 13, 2021 18:22:00 GMT
@merge I agree that those characteristics are important, but there are way too many who are in on the corruption, racism, and sedition. Those in office now need to stand up to that, but we also need to make sure those types of people aren't elected in the first place.
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Post by dawnnikol on Jan 13, 2021 18:32:34 GMT
There should be ways to judge someone's character, but to do that, you'd have to get the people who are voting for them to change their viewpoints, too.
There should be term limits.
There should be rules set in place for families who have their family working in / for them / taking over.
There should be rules in place so people who are supposed to serve "the people" aren't just looking out for their wallets.
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Post by maryannscraps on Jan 13, 2021 19:28:10 GMT
No I don’t think so. But you get these fringe element Congress members through the use of gerrymandered districts that don’t really reflect the makeup of the state’s constituents.
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Post by breetheflea on Jan 13, 2021 19:32:13 GMT
There should be an upper age limit...
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Post by Gem Girl on Jan 13, 2021 19:38:53 GMT
Prospective candidates should have to pass the same security clearance as DOD federal employees, at least.
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Post by epeanymous on Jan 13, 2021 19:45:08 GMT
No, although I think that there definitely need to be/remain mechanisms for removing people from public office under extreme circumstances.
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Post by JustCallMeMommy on Jan 13, 2021 19:47:53 GMT
Who gets to pick what the radical groups are? I think that would be a very slippery slope.
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Post by keithurbanlovinpea on Jan 13, 2021 19:50:50 GMT
I think it would be easier to improve people's understanding of politics and the process of elections. I don't fault teachers at all, but I think the public school system has failed in education people about the electoral process
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Post by peabay on Jan 13, 2021 19:51:21 GMT
Does Germany limit who can run? Honest question - how did they prevent the next Hitler after WW2? (and now I'm curious so I'm going to go answer my own question...) Very interesting answer that I never knew about: Denazification
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Post by birukitty on Jan 13, 2021 19:53:26 GMT
in 2010 there was a ruling by the Supreme Court called Citizens United vs. Federal Election Commission in which the Supreme Court ruled 5-4 in favor of Citizen's United. What it did was reverse century old campaign fiance restrictions and enabled corporations and outside groups and spend unlimited funds on elections. "While wealthy donors, corporations and special interest groups have long had an influence in elections, that sway has dramatically expanded since the Citizen's United decision, with negative repercussions for American democracy and the fight against political corruption."
I don't know if restrictions for who can run for office would be a good idea-we've had a great system in place for hundreds of years, but I do think overturning the Citizens United decision above should be done as soon as possible (after we deal with the pandemic of course).
My quote is from the website where I found the information. I can't do links or I'd link it for and I'm currently fighting a migraine or I'd type it out for you.
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Post by birukitty on Jan 13, 2021 19:58:50 GMT
Does Germany limit who can run? Honest question - how did they prevent the next Hitler after WW2? (and now I'm curious so I'm going to go answer my own question...) Very interesting answer that I never knew about: Denazification It's a very serious thing in Germany even with today's generation. There are no swastika's, or Nazi insignia allowed anywhere at all. German students are taught all about the Holocaust and taken to the concentration camp memorials and museums. You can't even name your child Adolf in Germany. At least that's what I've heard from my parent's-my German mother and my American father who was taught German in the Army and served in Germany in the early 1960's in intelligence.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jan 13, 2021 20:02:12 GMT
Does Germany limit who can run? Honest question - how did they prevent the next Hitler after WW2? (and now I'm curious so I'm going to go answer my own question...) Very interesting answer that I never knew about: DenazificationI’ve always been curious what happened to the nazis in Germany. I know that many were publicly shamed but I’m sure that thinking didn’t just disappear after the war was over.
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Post by chaosisapony on Jan 13, 2021 20:11:11 GMT
Prospective candidates should have to pass the same security clearance as DOD federal employees, at least. Given the powers the president wields I am shocked that this isn't already a rule!
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Post by DEX on Jan 13, 2021 20:19:26 GMT
I at least want them to be required release their taxes at a minimum.
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Post by birukitty on Jan 13, 2021 20:36:35 GMT
It's a very serious thing in Germany even with today's generation. There are no swastika's, or Nazi insignia allowed anywhere at all. German students are taught all about the Holocaust and taken to the concentration camp memorials and museums. You can't even name your child Adolf in Germany. At least that's what I've heard from my parent's-my German mother and my American father who was taught German in the Army and served in Germany in the early 1960's in intelligence. You can name your child Adolf in Germany. What you can't do is name your child, Adolf Hitler. Whether or not it would be wise to use the Adolf name there at all, is another matter. Thanks for correcting me.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2021 20:50:02 GMT
I'm AMAZED that nearly anyone can run for political jobs. I just started looking into Rep. Lauren Boebert's background (after hearing last night that she walked around the metal detector newly placed in the Capitol and said that it was against her freedom to have to walk thru it. She likes to carry a weapon.) I had no idea that this person didn't even graduate high school. She has a rap sheet: /photo/1 She seems to have problems with her temper, with listening to rules, etc. Her husband has exposed himself in a bowling alley (she was there--he was married to someone else & he was seeing her). He was arrested.
How she went on to working in the House is beyond me. I assumed that we had some prerequisites. I guess not!? Something has to change. We look into the background of so many people who are looking for any job. These jobs are serious in the House and Senate, not to mention the Presidency and Cabinet.
One more thing: There's a pic of her with a group of people on 1/5/21. She was showing them around the Capitol. These people showed up on 1/6 at the Capitol. Who the heck knows if she's been storing weapons in her office if she brings a gun daily to her job? She sounds like a danger, not only in this job, but in life.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2021 20:54:03 GMT
Does Germany limit who can run? Honest question - how did they prevent the next Hitler after WW2? (and now I'm curious so I'm going to go answer my own question...) Very interesting answer that I never knew about: Denazification It's a very serious thing in Germany even with today's generation. There are no swastika's, or Nazi insignia allowed anywhere at all. German students are taught all about the Holocaust and taken to the concentration camp memorials and museums. You can't even name your child Adolf in Germany. At least that's what I've heard from my parent's-my German mother and my American father who was taught German in the Army and served in Germany in the early 1960's in intelligence. DH's son is German born and continues to live in Germany. He is a Veteran. He tells us that they all talk about Trump and how insane it sounds in America. He worries for his dad (and me), but he says that it's gotten to be very dangerous and bad there as well lately.
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Post by roxley on Jan 13, 2021 21:04:39 GMT
I think term limits would solve a lot of problems, including this one. There are too many politicians worried about keeping this job forever.
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Post by Laurie on Jan 13, 2021 21:10:44 GMT
We can't even get mental health checks for purchasing a gun so I don't see it as being feasible.
I would like to see term limits. I don't necessarily know how much impact it would have where we are at today but once you start making a career out of a politician I feel you start to lose sight of what your constituents want and what their reality is. Instead you are focused on doing what will get you votes and pandering to the wrong people for the wrong reasons.
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Post by papersilly on Jan 13, 2021 21:17:57 GMT
if anything, they should remove the restriction of being US born. i don't agree that your allegiance automatically goes to the foreign country where you were born. i often believe that those who choose to become US citizens are just a loyal as those born here. they are willing to give up their native country to be part of ours. most appreciate the opportunities and freedom this nation offers compared to other places. that restriction should be removed for sure.
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Post by peanutterbutter on Jan 13, 2021 21:19:39 GMT
I think putting restrictions on age etc, could quickly become a very slippery slope, but I am all for term limits!
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Post by julie5 on Jan 13, 2021 21:29:14 GMT
There should be ways to judge someone's character, but to do that, you'd have to get the people who are voting for them to change their viewpoints, too. There should be term limits. There should be rules set in place for families who have their family working in / for them / taking over. There should be rules in place so people who are supposed to serve "the people" aren't just looking out for their wallets. I agree. I’m more concerned with all these Congress people who are watching their own backs and wallets during all of this.
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Post by MissBianca on Jan 13, 2021 23:03:42 GMT
1. they should have to pass the citizens test the same new citizens are required to pass, with the same rules as taking the SAT’s, photo ID uploaded and then shown in person the day of testing.
2. Term limits
3. Same security clearance as DOD with levels. Higher the position, like a committee chair, the higher the clearance ( more scrutiny as they go up the chain). DH has more security clearance in the private sector than congresspeople do.
4. They must actually hold a residence in the state they represent. None of this I use my sisters or my parents address. Actually have a vested interested in the community you serve. This is up and down the ladder. I even had an issue with our schools superintendent who lived in another state. He did not understand the dynamic of our town.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2021 4:55:15 GMT
Prospective candidates should have to pass the same security clearance as DOD federal employees, at least.
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Post by samantha25 on Jan 14, 2021 4:58:50 GMT
Yes, it's a job. There should be rules/guidelines as if applying for a job as "normal" people. All politicians should undergo a job qualification. Why is there a difference?
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Post by birukitty on Jan 14, 2021 23:10:08 GMT
There should be an upper age limit... I'm sorry but this sounds like ageism to me. There are plenty of people in their 70's and even above who are still smart as a whip and have all of their faculties not to mention their vast experiences to guide them vs. some of the inexperienced but unintelligent young people who are in politics today. Age has nothing to do with character or intelligence. It's who you are as a person and what you can bring to the job that matters.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2021 23:20:10 GMT
There should be an upper age limit... Nope. Illegal. Term limits, yes. Age discrimination absolutely not!
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