sueg
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Post by sueg on Jan 15, 2021 8:04:04 GMT
I am tearing up reading the letter Obama wrote. Me too. It is amazing how he has touched on nearly everything that has not been the case with the current administration.
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JustTricia
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Post by JustTricia on Jan 15, 2021 12:51:51 GMT
I’ve seen several things on social media about how G Bush, Clinton, Obama, etc, treated the transition. But every single one that I have seen has been of two term presidents who didn’t lose an election and were leaving at the end of their term regardless. While I completely agree that the way these men have treated it has been with honor and dignity, I think comparing them to Trump leaving is apples to oranges. We need to see how Bush Sr, Carter, etc, treated the transition. I’ve quickly Googled and can’t find much. (Edited to add ~ I cannot find much from 1900s onward.)
I did find, and now remember reading about, the Clinton administration doing “pranks” or vandalism. Removing “w”‘s from keyboards, damage to telephones, etc.
Don’t get me wrong; I believe G Bush, Clinton, Obama, etc, would have left after one term the same way they left after two and the way this administration is treating the transition is unbelievable. But I’d like to see one term presidents transitions, too.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jan 15, 2021 13:21:49 GMT
Oh come on—-
We all know his letter to Biden is going to read:
Dear Sleepy Slow Joe,
It was a rigged election. You stole it from me. There is no way you won when you wouldn’t come out of your basement.
I won by a landslide. 74 million is much much more hugely bigger than 81 million. It was fraud, extremely big fraud. Many people said so.
Signed, D trump
(And the crayon that was used to write this loving letter will be available in the trump discount store for only $99.99)
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Post by cade387 on Jan 15, 2021 13:37:29 GMT
It is like Obama could see the future /s
“ Third, we are just temporary occupants of this office. That makes us guardians of those democratic institutions and traditions—like rule of law, separation of powers, equal protection and civil liberties—that our forebears fought and bled for. Regardless of the push and pull of daily politics, it’s up to us to leave those instruments of our democracy at least as strong as we found them.”
Anytime someone says that there was no way to see this coming I get so frustrated. So many people saw this.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Jan 15, 2021 14:51:00 GMT
Oh come on—- We all know his letter to Biden is going to read: Dear Sleepy Slow Joe, It was a rigged election. You stole it from me. There is no way you won when you wouldn’t come out of your basement. I won by a landslide. 74 million is much much more hugely bigger than 81 million. It was fraud, extremely big fraud. Many people said so. Signed, D trump (And the crayon that was used to write this loving letter will be available in the trump discount store for only $99.99) You forgot the part where big, strong men cried and called him “sir” LOL.
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JustTricia
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Post by JustTricia on Jan 15, 2021 15:13:11 GMT
Oh come on—- We all know his letter to Biden is going to read: Dear Sleepy Slow Joe, It was a rigged election. You stole it from me. There is no way you won when you wouldn’t come out of your basement. I won by a landslide. 74 million is much much more hugely bigger than 81 million. It was fraud, extremely big fraud. Many people said so. Signed, D trump (And the crayon that was used to write this loving letter will be available in the trump discount store for only $99.99) Except haven’t all his online stores been shut down? Any on Shopify were. 😂
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Post by monklady123 on Jan 15, 2021 15:23:50 GMT
For awhile, I have been thinking about the Bidens arriving at the White House after the Inauguration next week and how nice it would be if they were met by all the former presidents since Trump broke with tradition and threw a months long hissy fit. Or maybe President Obama could meet Biden at the door and welcome him in and we could just act like these past four awful years never happened! Yes, I know, wishful thinking. However, I am looking forward to the wonderful photos of President Biden inviting President Obama back to the White House for the unveiling of Obama's official portrait.
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luckyjune
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Post by luckyjune on Jan 15, 2021 15:34:11 GMT
Listening to Biden speak right now - and he isn’t talking all about himself. It’s such a relief to hear someone talk about real plans, to be so calm and sound rational and intelligent. Personally, I'm basking in the glory of the complete sentences used by the president elect.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Jan 15, 2021 16:10:47 GMT
I’ve seen several things on social media about how G Bush, Clinton, Obama, etc, treated the transition. But every single one that I have seen has been of two term presidents who didn’t lose an election and were leaving at the end of their term regardless. While I completely agree that the way these men have treated it has been with honor and dignity, I think comparing them to Trump leaving is apples to oranges. We need to see how Bush Sr, Carter, etc, treated the transition. I’ve quickly Googled and can’t find much. (Edited to add ~ I cannot find much from 1900s onward.) I did find, and now remember reading about, the Clinton administration doing “pranks” or vandalism. Removing “w”‘s from keyboards, damage to telephones, etc. Don’t get me wrong; I believe G Bush, Clinton, Obama, etc, would have left after one term the same way they left after two and the way this administration is treating the transition is unbelievable. But I’d like to see one term presidents transitions, too. This is video of him welcoming Clinton to the White House about 10 days after the election: www.c-span.org/video/?34850-1/clinton-arrival-white-houseThe letter he left for Clinton - wishing him success and emphasizing he ie Clinton was OUR president www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/12/01/bush-letter-clinton-read-george-h-w-bushs-letter/2173692002/And here's a nice summary of how modern presidents acted with grace and patriotism: www.townandcountrymag.com/society/money-and-power/g34672307/presidential-transitions-white-house-history-photos/
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Post by cade387 on Jan 15, 2021 16:22:19 GMT
I’ve seen several things on social media about how G Bush, Clinton, Obama, etc, treated the transition. But every single one that I have seen has been of two term presidents who didn’t lose an election and were leaving at the end of their term regardless. While I completely agree that the way these men have treated it has been with honor and dignity, I think comparing them to Trump leaving is apples to oranges. We need to see how Bush Sr, Carter, etc, treated the transition. I’ve quickly Googled and can’t find much. (Edited to add ~ I cannot find much from 1900s onward.) I did find, and now remember reading about, the Clinton administration doing “pranks” or vandalism. Removing “w”‘s from keyboards, damage to telephones, etc. Don’t get me wrong; I believe G Bush, Clinton, Obama, etc, would have left after one term the same way they left after two and the way this administration is treating the transition is unbelievable. But I’d like to see one term presidents transitions, too. Bush Sr letter to Clinton is in this post.
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JustTricia
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Post by JustTricia on Jan 15, 2021 16:26:32 GMT
I’ve seen several things on social media about how G Bush, Clinton, Obama, etc, treated the transition. But every single one that I have seen has been of two term presidents who didn’t lose an election and were leaving at the end of their term regardless. While I completely agree that the way these men have treated it has been with honor and dignity, I think comparing them to Trump leaving is apples to oranges. We need to see how Bush Sr, Carter, etc, treated the transition. I’ve quickly Googled and can’t find much. (Edited to add ~ I cannot find much from 1900s onward.) I did find, and now remember reading about, the Clinton administration doing “pranks” or vandalism. Removing “w”‘s from keyboards, damage to telephones, etc. Don’t get me wrong; I believe G Bush, Clinton, Obama, etc, would have left after one term the same way they left after two and the way this administration is treating the transition is unbelievable. But I’d like to see one term presidents transitions, too. This is video of him welcoming Clinton to the White House about 10 days after the election: www.c-span.org/video/?34850-1/clinton-arrival-white-houseThe letter he left for Clinton - wishing him success and emphasizing he ie Clinton was OUR president www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/12/01/bush-letter-clinton-read-george-h-w-bushs-letter/2173692002/And here's a nice summary of how modern presidents acted with grace and patriotism: www.townandcountrymag.com/society/money-and-power/g34672307/presidential-transitions-white-house-history-photos/Thanks for those. Most of the things I found had more info on the two term presidents and a line of two about one terms. But those are the posts we should be seeing. “Here’s how someone who lost the election treated the transition”, not how Obama treated it.
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JustTricia
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Post by JustTricia on Jan 15, 2021 16:28:40 GMT
I’ve seen several things on social media about how G Bush, Clinton, Obama, etc, treated the transition. But every single one that I have seen has been of two term presidents who didn’t lose an election and were leaving at the end of their term regardless. While I completely agree that the way these men have treated it has been with honor and dignity, I think comparing them to Trump leaving is apples to oranges. We need to see how Bush Sr, Carter, etc, treated the transition. I’ve quickly Googled and can’t find much. (Edited to add ~ I cannot find much from 1900s onward.) I did find, and now remember reading about, the Clinton administration doing “pranks” or vandalism. Removing “w”‘s from keyboards, damage to telephones, etc. Don’t get me wrong; I believe G Bush, Clinton, Obama, etc, would have left after one term the same way they left after two and the way this administration is treating the transition is unbelievable. But I’d like to see one term presidents transitions, too. Bush Sr letter to Clinton is in this post. I saw that. But one single letter doesn’t show how the whole transition happened. Honestly, even through all that has happened I would still be surprised if there isn’t a letter of some sort waiting for Biden. It may be snarky, it may not even be written by Trump, but I think it will be there.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Jan 15, 2021 16:38:30 GMT
This is video of him welcoming Clinton to the White House about 10 days after the election: ... edited to take out long text that one can see above Thanks for those. Most of the things I found had more info on the two term presidents and a line of two about one terms. But those are the posts we should be seeing. “Here’s how someone who lost the election treated the transition”, not how Obama treated it. George H W Bush was far from a perfect president, but he was a gracious man who's dignity would have never allowed him to behave with anything but respect for the Office of the Presidency and the country. I was way too young to remember Carter, but can't begin to imagine him behaving any differently. The overarching theme of our Presidents, even those who may have held policies or performed in ways we thoroughly disagreed with took the responsibilities of being President seriously. We've never had a President so removed from the actual business of being president - at least in modern history. As they took the role so seriously, they knew the transition was critical to the safety well being of the country. This isn't a job you step into and learn as you go. I'll add one other article - this is a 2 term president - but the Clinton to GW Bush transition was also extremely challenging as it was truncated by the Florida results and there's no doubt there was a fair amount of animosity between the teams. People have talked a bit about the pranks of removing "w" from the keyboards, but this is a first hand account from a member of National Security team about how even during a rough transition the well being of the country was in the forefront. www.startribune.com/presidential-transitions-in-the-past-unified-put-country-first/573173281/
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JustTricia
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Post by JustTricia on Jan 15, 2021 16:53:59 GMT
Thanks for those. Most of the things I found had more info on the two term presidents and a line of two about one terms. But those are the posts we should be seeing. “Here’s how someone who lost the election treated the transition”, not how Obama treated it. George H W Bush was far from a perfect president, but he was a gracious man who's dignity would have never allowed him to behave with anything but respect for the Office of the Presidency and the country. I was way too young to remember Carter, but can't begin to imagine him behaving any differently. The overarching theme of our Presidents, even those who may have held policies or performed in ways we thoroughly disagreed with took the responsibilities of being President seriously. We've never had a President so removed from the actual business of being president - at least in modern history. As they took the role so seriously, they knew the transition was critical to the safety well being of the country. This isn't a job you step into and learn as you go. I'll add one other article - this is a 2 term president - but the Clinton to GW Bush transition was also extremely challenging as it was truncated by the Florida results and there's no doubt there was a fair amount of animosity between the teams. People have talked a bit about the pranks of removing "w" from the keyboards, but this is a first hand account from a member of National Security team about how even during a rough transition the well being of the country was in the forefront. www.startribune.com/presidential-transitions-in-the-past-unified-put-country-first/573173281/ I totally agree with you on the character of those presidents. I hope you realize that’s the point I’m trying to make. Show how the one term presidents of character treated the transition. Showing how two term presidents who were gone anyway is not the best comparison. Show how the one term presidents treated the transition with the respect that it should have received. And I have no doubt that during the Clinton transition the well being of the country was in the forefront despite the pranks. As opposed to what is happening now.
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Post by elaine on Jan 15, 2021 16:59:23 GMT
Actually, I'm pretty sure Biden will be getting a letter, though I'm VERY sure it will not have been written by Trump. Sure, it'll be signed with his stupid Sharpie, but too much has been written about Trump not writing this letter for someone in his circle not to make sure Biden gets something. Reagan wrote a few short sentences. Certainly someone still wandering around the White House can come up with a handful of kinda sorta nice-ish sounding sentences, if only to pwn the libtards who are *so sure* the letter won't be there for Biden. I think that Reagan had started the subtle decline of his Alzheimer’s disease by the end of his presidency, according to some sources. That was my first thought when I read his letter. But Reagan was always a statesman and a gracious person who would stick to protocol. Even though I vehemently disagreed with his politics, I can give him that. I will be surprised if there is a letter from Trump. If there is, like Lucy, I don’t think that he will sign it, and someone else will have written it. Trump still hasn’t conceded the election and hasn’t actively participated in any traditional smooth transition of power activities (conversely, he incited an insurrection attempt).
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Jan 15, 2021 17:35:42 GMT
Little ol’ me here explaining that I was just looking for the provenance/length of the letter tradition when I stumbled upon an article with the last five letters. Only one of those presidents was one-term; hence, only one letter example.
I also didn’t know that debate about a Trump letter was currently trending. It was just me meandering through Me Synapses.
For the record, I think 1. Reagan’s letter was odd, especially to his own VP, 2. No way in hell will President Trump write or sign a letter. He’s not doing the time-honored formal acknowledgement of attending the inauguration; he has neither conceded nor congratulated. Why would he give in to such a personal informal acknowledgement, of all things? It implies acceptance and good wishes, neither of which (I think) he can muster.
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Post by 950nancy on Jan 15, 2021 19:04:03 GMT
You know, I just realized that Biden *knows* how it should all be done--the transition, all of it, and hopefully he'll be able to restore some of the dignity and tradition back to the presidency/White House/all of it. Yes, he knows the terrain and the ins and outs of the White House. I mentioned before that I thought the Obamas should greet them. Kind of like Trump didn't exist at all.
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