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Post by paigepea on Feb 13, 2021 5:14:14 GMT
It would be wonderful if she could pea but she’s not there yet.
This is our first puppy. There are times we take her to pee and it’s a 20 second pee and you can see that the ground has a dribble on it. Then she comes to us and looks at us for a treat. Then there are times she squats very quickly - maybe 10 seconds. She bounces up and comes to us for a treat. The ground looks dry or maybe has a speck of pee pee.
Dh is convinced she’s faking us out for the treat. Does a puppy have the brain capacity to do this. Do they sometimes dribble hardly anything? She is not bad with the house training. If we take her out at the right times there are no accidents. If I making a timing error she can pee in the house. Yesterday she went to the back door for the first.
She is 10 weeks. Are the treaters being tricked?
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Post by greendragonlady on Feb 13, 2021 5:25:19 GMT
There are some smart pups out there!
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Post by mom on Feb 13, 2021 5:31:03 GMT
I'd say yes, lol. Dogs are smart and will figure out how to get the treat.
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Post by tracylynn on Feb 13, 2021 6:44:42 GMT
Absolutely!!
Our dogs learned the word cookie ... then they learned how to spell C O O K I E.
Dogs are super smart.
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Post by bc2ca on Feb 13, 2021 7:43:08 GMT
Well, DD would pee a thousand times a day for a mini Oreo, so I guess a puppy would figure it out, too.  |
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Post by katybee on Feb 13, 2021 8:14:03 GMT
Mine absolutely went through that phase. But I would just look at her and say FAKER and not give her a treat, and she doesn’t seem to do it anymore. Granted, that could all be in my head. Maybe she’s not as smart as all that. But she doesn’t fake pee anymore. But my dog is a year old now and still looks up to me for a treat every time she pees outside. Should I be weaning her off the treats?  |
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Post by paigepea on Feb 13, 2021 12:21:07 GMT
So at 10 weeks should I be ok with it as long as she only fake pees (or real pees) outside. It’s not like she’s doing this inside. And maybe she’s letting out tiny dribbles. Now that the ground is slightly frozen her pee stays above longer and I can see what is actually happening. I started giving her a treat for a big pee and a crumb for a ‘is that a pee’?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2021 12:21:41 GMT
Our dog used to do this too. Just smiling remembering ....
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Post by kibblesandbits on Feb 13, 2021 12:42:28 GMT
If puppy goes out and makes the attempt, the give her a treat. You're teaching her a process. Recognize the urge, ask to go out, go out and go. Three steps. If you're concerned that your dog is tricking you  then give the treat at the door to reward "the ask". That's how I did it, got the treat at the door, then we worked on a "go potty" command outside so I wasn't standing there forever waiting for him to go. If he asked to go out = treat, then if he potty-ed on command = another treat. After a while I got rid of all the treats and rewarded with my voice and an ear rub. |
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Post by TankTop on Feb 13, 2021 12:54:48 GMT
Oh yeah! Dog are asses. Lovable and amazing asses, but asses.
My dd’s mini-goldendoodle will get things that belong to us and pretend chew them to get a treat when he “drops it.”
We now have two jars of treats. The faker treats and the good stuff for when he truly deserves them.
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Post by paigepea on Feb 13, 2021 12:55:29 GMT
If puppy goes out and makes the attempt, the give her a treat. You're teaching her a process. Recognize the urge, ask to go out, go out and go. Three steps. If you're concerned that your dog is tricking you then give the treat at the door to reward "the ask". That's how I did it, got the treat at the door, then we worked on a "go potty" command outside so I wasn't standing there forever waiting for him to go. If he asked to go out = treat, then if he potty-ed on command = another treat. After a while I got rid of all the treats and rewarded with my voice and an ear rub. This is good. Ours is not asking to go out. She did once go to the door two days ago and I kept redirecting her back to the family room. When she started to squat at the back door the third time there I figured out she was asking for out. It was a new experience. Hopefully she starts asking soon. |
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Post by hop2 on Feb 13, 2021 12:56:52 GMT
My drama king will fake A LOT of things for a treat or other things he wants. He will fake pee for another walk when it’s not snowy out because he likes walks so he will whine & whine & whine until he gets his extra walk and then you ask him why your out there and he will pee a few drops to satisfy you.
Boy dogs can rustle a a bit of pee anytime as long as they are not dehydrated.
If DD is not up yet when I leave for work my drama king will offer an academy award level performance to try to convince her I forgot to feed him. He’s rather smart that way. Mine will fake needing help to get one of my kids off the spit he wants on the couch.
Some dogs are natural actors, it’s how they communicate. But, if mine is asking to go out he goes out at his age I can’t be sure he doesn’t have to go, you know. As long as the extra treat is not too much or making him fat what is it going to hurt if he faked a bit?
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Post by hop2 on Feb 13, 2021 12:58:17 GMT
Oh yeah! Dog are asses. Lovable and amazing asses, but asses. My dd’s mini-goldendoodle will get things that belong to us and pretend chew them to get a treat when he “drops it.” We now have two jars of treats. The faker treats and the good stuff for when he truly deserves them. Yeah I give mine his regular kibble when I know he is faking. And he will try to spit it out and out glare me but he knows I know what he is up to. |
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Post by hop2 on Feb 13, 2021 13:00:39 GMT
So at 10 weeks should I be ok with it as long as she only fake pees (or real pees) outside. It’s not like she’s doing this inside. And maybe she’s letting out tiny dribbles. Now that the ground is slightly frozen her pee stays above longer and I can see what is actually happening. I started giving her a treat for a big pee and a crumb for a ‘is that a pee’? yes What will it hurt? As long as it isn’t every 5 minutes. |
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Post by Basket1lady on Feb 13, 2021 13:01:50 GMT
First of all, celebrate that she asked to go out to pee! What a big milestone! I’d reward for a 10 second pee. That may be all that she is doing. With snow and ice, you should be able to see what she’s doing. She’s so tiny that she may not have a lot of pee to give. But yes, she is smart enough to fake it, too. Our lab does it and she’s 8.  |
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Post by christine58 on Feb 13, 2021 15:30:16 GMT
If puppy goes out and makes the attempt, the give her a treat. You're teaching her a process. Recognize the urge, ask to go out, go out and go. Three steps. If you're concerned that your dog is tricking you then give the treat at the door to reward "the ask". That's how I did it, got the treat at the door, then we worked on a "go potty" command outside so I wasn't standing there forever waiting for him to go. If he asked to go out = treat, then if he potty-ed on command = another treat. After a while I got rid of all the treats and rewarded with my voice and an ear rub. This is good. Ours is not asking to go out. She did once go to the door two days ago and I kept redirecting her back to the family room. When she started to squat at the back door the third time there I figured out she was asking for out. It was a new experience. Hopefully she starts asking soon. Hang a bell from the doorknob. You hit it, take her out,reward if she pees. Train her to hit the bell when she needs to go out. |
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Post by crazy4scraps on Feb 13, 2021 15:31:48 GMT
Mine don’t fake pee, but they will ask to go out a million times a day thinking when they come back in they will get a treat.
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Post by kibblesandbits on Feb 13, 2021 15:37:02 GMT
If puppy goes out and makes the attempt, the give her a treat. You're teaching her a process. Recognize the urge, ask to go out, go out and go. Three steps. If you're concerned that your dog is tricking you then give the treat at the door to reward "the ask". That's how I did it, got the treat at the door, then we worked on a "go potty" command outside so I wasn't standing there forever waiting for him to go. If he asked to go out = treat, then if he potty-ed on command = another treat. After a while I got rid of all the treats and rewarded with my voice and an ear rub. This is good. Ours is not asking to go out. She did once go to the door two days ago and I kept redirecting her back to the family room. When she started to squat at the back door the third time there I figured out she was asking for out. It was a new experience. Hopefully she starts asking soon. She DID ask to go out. You discouraged her. Puppies figure that stuff out fast too! Go on YouTube or Amazon and watch the videos/order the book on dog training by The Monks of New Skete. Awesome training resource. |
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Post by Just T on Feb 13, 2021 15:39:09 GMT
Our dogs learned the word cookie ... then they learned how to spell C O O K I E. Dogs are super smart. Our old dog that died in September could spell lots of words. LOL We once used "go out for pancakes" as code words for taking a walk. Then, he figured that out, so we started spelling pancakes. Then, he figured that out, too. LOL He also used to fake us out when it came to feeding him. I always fed him first thing in the morning, and I am usually the last one to leave the house. If I ever left early, the dog would always make everyone left here think he hadn't eaten yet. If I didn't leave a note on the table saying I had fed Rudy, he would be fed twice that morning. LOL Yeah, dogs are smart, so I could totally see a puppy faking going pee to get a treat. |
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Post by julie5 on Feb 13, 2021 15:51:53 GMT
Absolutely!! Our dogs learned the word cookie ... then they learned how to spell C O O K I E. Dogs are super smart. My moms dog knew how to spell baloney. Lol |
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Post by pierkiss on Feb 13, 2021 15:53:04 GMT
Yes, animals (and people) will figure out what behaviors will get them treats real quick, especially if they only get that treat for doing certain behaviors. Then they will try and figure out the least amount of work to get that treat. If the least amount of work will get them the treat, they will only put in that much effort to get it in the future. If you want the animal (or person) to work harder for the treat, then you must stop providing treats for lower levels of work and only give them for higher levels of work.
In this case it would be only give treats for longer and longer pees outside. No more treats for simply attempting. If your dog has figured out that they can get a treat for both long and short pees, then they clearly understand the reinforcement system, and are ready for a change to start differentials reinforcing those longer pees. 😁
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Post by pierkiss on Feb 13, 2021 15:54:32 GMT
This is good. Ours is not asking to go out. She did once go to the door two days ago and I kept redirecting her back to the family room. When she started to squat at the back door the third time there I figured out she was asking for out. It was a new experience. Hopefully she starts asking soon. Hang a bell from the doorknob. You hit it, take her out,reward if she pees. Train her to hit the bell when she needs to go out. YES!!! This is a super simple thing to teach a dog. It takes a little bit of time and a whole lot of consistency, and makes life much easier once the dog has learned the system. 😁 |
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Post by christine58 on Feb 13, 2021 16:28:21 GMT
Hang a bell from the doorknob. You hit it, take her out,reward if she pees. Train her to hit the bell when she needs to go out. YES!!! This is a super simple thing to teach a dog. It takes a little bit of time and a whole lot of consistency, and makes life much easier once the dog has learned the system. 😁 I was about to do that when Harper at 10 weeks walked to the deck door (always use the same door) and body slammed it. LOL |
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Post by hop2 on Feb 13, 2021 17:32:23 GMT
I say just get her the buttons like bunny the dog has and you’ll thank yourself later in life when the dog can tell you what they want. Mine was smart enough and I wish they had had those buttons back then but maybe not because mine would probably use his buttons to reprimand me.
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Post by 950nancy on Feb 13, 2021 17:36:46 GMT
I won't leave the yard for a walk until my dogs pee in our yard. They both fake pee all of the time.
We have herders and they are so very smart at manipulation the 8 weeks. I'd give a tiny bit of a treat for a fake pee and a normal piece for a full pee.
Mine used Potty Bells as pups. Now they are used for dinner bells and they bark at the door to go out.
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then give the treat at the door to reward "the ask". That's how I did it, got the treat at the door, then we worked on a "go potty" command outside so I wasn't standing there forever waiting for him to go. If he asked to go out = treat, then if he potty-ed on command = another treat. After a while I got rid of all the treats and rewarded with my voice and an ear rub. 
