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Post by flatfish on Feb 27, 2021 13:55:16 GMT
A youtuber was asked why the sections for stamping and scrapbooking we’re getting smaller or being taken out completely. She thought part of the reason was the age of the crafters. Younger people aren’t interested in spending money on supplies needed for stamping or scrapbooking or don’t have the money. Papercrafters are on the older side and have all basic supplies needed.
So my question is do you think the stamping industry struggle is because their main customer base is getting older and buying less? That younger people have interests in crafting hobbies that don’t require so many tools?
For me I don’t know anyone under 60 who’s hobby is stamping.
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Post by hop2 on Feb 27, 2021 14:11:44 GMT
I’ve seen some younger crafters
My DD doesn’t stamp but she does love paper. When I go to class there is a younger person every so often. But yes often I’m the youngest one when I go to classes.
I do think that the industry ebbs & flows and I think I’ve seen a small up take in the younger crafters recently.
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Post by scrapnnana on Feb 27, 2021 14:34:16 GMT
There are at least a few YouTubers who are under 60 who stamp. Jennifer McGuire comes to mind.
I’m in the over 60 group of stampers, but I’ve been collecting them since I was introduced to stamping. I was in my 30’s. Stamping was popular when I started, fell out of favor, made a comeback, and is falling out of favor again. Back in the 90’s, I was shown how to make shaker cards, which were always stamped. Then they kind of faded away. A few years ago, I saw a company at the papercraft conventions that specialized in shaker cards. The company is Queen & Co., and they seem to have surged in popularity during the last several months of “stay at home” activity due to the virus. I remember when scrapbookers complained about how many stamp companies were showing up at scrapbook conventions. Fewer people scrapbook now than in its heyday, and stamps helped fill a void. I am not surprised that interest in stamping is waning.
I remember when there was concern over needle crafts (cross stitch, quilting, crosheting, knitting, etc.) dying out, but they have made a comeback, and not just among the older generation. My DD, who is in her 30’s, enjoys crocheting. Quilting seems to have made a comeback, too.
Crafts and hobbies have cycles of popularity. Stamping and scrapbooking may be on the wane, but I doubt either will completely go away. People get tired of the same old, same old. They like to change things up. Traditional stamps may be replaced by digital images, especially among the younger crafters. Digital stamps don’t require space to store. I have to admit, I have started “converting” some of my stamped, colored images to digital, because it’s less work in the long run. It saves me time on future projects using those stamped images. I can make multiples of my cards more easily.
People change, and so do trends. Even if stamping dwindles, it will probably make a comeback at some future date. Every craft does.
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 27, 2021 14:42:09 GMT
I think there are a lot of reasons for the shrinking papercraft sections in the big box stores. All of them seem to have shifted the emphasis to their own brands and away from other brands. In addition to feeling like it’s always the same old stuff, the inventory changes infrequently, maybe twice a year. I know I shop much less frequently in the big box stores compared to years ago when papercrafting was more popular. And now that hobby Lobby is getting rid of coupons, Ms only takes theirs, I’m less likely to buy essentials like glue there.
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Post by kitbop on Feb 27, 2021 14:49:37 GMT
I stamp, although it's not the primary part of my hobby. But yes, all the scrapbookers and stampers I know are 45+. 15 years ago, when I gathered with a group of peas in Toronto for crops, we were all in 25-35 with young families. We've aged up. I'm thinking you are right, this may be cyclical. My DD is 17. She plays in my scrap space, makes cards, makes dividers for school, makes pretty things. My copics are her go-to. She does NOT think of it as her hobby but it's just available. However, once she's away from home, she will suddenly discover her priviledge in having all my supplies at her fingertips I think, and if she has kids I have no doubt the scrappy bug would bite her. And so will the cycle start over?
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Post by lisacharlotte on Feb 27, 2021 15:04:03 GMT
Scrapbooking isn’t a new hobby. It been around for hundreds of years. Before the invention of photography it was “scraps”. There is an ebb and flow. Same with needlework, sewing, quilting, and yarn work mentioned above. We’re in the ebb, who knows how long it will last? People scrapbook without the type of manufactured supplies we have now. Most of our supplies are sold online now unless you want the store brand. I rarely buy paper, embellishments, stamps, etc. from a big box. Either my LSS (which keeps up with what’s new) or online.
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Post by cbet on Feb 27, 2021 16:20:43 GMT
In some ways, I think companies have somewhat priced themselves out of the younger market. Most of the youtubers have TONS of supplies and tools and so many of the videos seem to be sales pitches with a tiny bit of tutorial thrown in. If I were just starting out, I'd take a look at what those videos seem to tell me I need to have, start adding up the cost and thinking about where the heck am I going to put all this!, and go off to do something else. Seriously, there's a whole branch of the industry dedicated to storage and organizing the stuff. Whereas, knitting and crocheting, you just need a couple of hooks or a few sets of needles and some inexpensive yarn and you can start. It's not enough to do the really beautiful projects you see, but it's enough to start.
It's one of the reasons I love Natasha Foote's youtubes. She uses some of the same sets over and over and shows lots of ways to use a limited number of supplies. She makes the craft seem much more accessible to everyone.
I also think that so many small companies with online shops are part of the reason for the papercrafting aisles shrinking. The big box stores are going to bring in items that they feel appeal to the largest percentage of their customer base, but those are things the hardcore crafters have already seen, and they probably have a couple of online shops that really match up to their aesthetic.
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Post by hop2 on Feb 27, 2021 16:21:43 GMT
I remember when there was concern over needle crafts (cross stitch, quilting, crosheting, knitting, etc.) dying out, but they have made a comeback, and not just among the older generation. My DD, who is in her 30’s, enjoys crocheting. So many of my DDs friends knit or crochet it’s really on a comeback right now.
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Post by cbet on Feb 27, 2021 16:23:39 GMT
I remember when there was concern over needle crafts (cross stitch, quilting, crosheting, knitting, etc.) dying out, but they have made a comeback, and not just among the older generation. My DD, who is in her 30’s, enjoys crocheting. So many of my DDs friends knit or crochet it’s really on a comeback right now. It's also a much more portable craft than any kind of papercrafting. And when you're done with whatever you're making, the end result is more useful.
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Post by grammadee on Feb 27, 2021 16:24:27 GMT
I think in a way it may be related to digital advances. The traditional stamping companies came out to people's homes, bringing choices that local stores couldn't in smaller communities. But with all the tutorials on line and the companies offering on line shopping now, we can shop from the whole world, and don't need Susan from down the street to introduce us to the latest and greatest each month or each quarterly catalog cycle.
And the younger you are, the more likely to go to the internet first to get ideas.
Seems to be a faster turn around now, too, between a trend catching on in one sector and then being picked up everywhere else. I used to purchase stamps because i wanted a particular effect, but now the papers have those images right on them and done much better than I could do it.
My dgk's love to play with my scrappy supplies when they are here, and often ask for art supplies as gifts, but they are way better than I will ever be at producing different effects with them and then portraying the results in on line slide shows with all the music and movement thrown in. Their photos are on their phones, often "scrapbooked" in tiktok or snapchat, with filters and captions and borders....
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Post by caangel on Feb 27, 2021 16:44:41 GMT
Scrapbooking (and most crafts) have always had a perception that it was for older people. Yes there have been times where it becomes "cool" for the younguns but crafts in general are still perceived as something mostly for "old people" even if that isn't the reality. That hasn't changed.
What has changed is more online shopping vs big box store, challenges getting supplies due to shipping, ebb and flow of the industry, digital scrapping, planner trend, less printing of photos, etc.
The age thing is the least of our "problems". I've been scrapping since HS and am in my early 40s.
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Post by cmpeter on Feb 27, 2021 16:57:25 GMT
I’m under 60 and stamp. Although, barely (I’m 55). My 20 year old dd loves to stamp and pre-COVID she and her besties would come over and make cards together. They are all still in college, so none of them really have the space or money to invest in a big craft stash.
Simon Hurley is a great example of a younger stamper.
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Post by pinklady on Feb 27, 2021 17:23:57 GMT
Honestly, I’m not sure age is a big factor. I’m 50 and I buy A LOT. 😁 There are a variety of other reasons. I would lean more towards crafting being cyclical, in the early 2000s CKU was all the rage and scrapbook stores on every corner with limited clear stamp companies, now it’s flip flopped.
I think the cost & variety of product is a reason. Big box stores just can’t sustain that with monthly releases. People can get a wider variety of products directly from the online companies.
Also, buying cheaper Chinese knockoffs from Amazon and AliExpress make an impact. I know that is taboo for some but when you can buy $300 worth of product for $25, that’s very enticing.
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Post by quinmm14 on Feb 27, 2021 18:23:22 GMT
I think there are a lot of reasons for the shrinking papercraft sections in the big box stores. All of them seem to have shifted the emphasis to their own brands and away from other brands. In addition to feeling like it’s always the same old stuff, the inventory changes infrequently, maybe twice a year. I know I shop much less frequently in the big box stores compared to years ago when papercrafting was more popular. And now that hobby Lobby is getting rid of coupons, Ms only takes theirs, I’m less likely to buy essentials like glue there. Same here. I found the store branded items are a little bit less than for lack of a better description. I no longer have a local store to shop at, but she did keep updated stock and clearanced out old to make room for new which I really liked. Michael's doesn't even have a lot of actual scrapbooking items anymore, other than their brand so I was mostly using the coupons to buy glue or seasonal items but I shop mostly online anymore.
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Post by marg on Feb 27, 2021 19:17:16 GMT
I think stamping is doing well, judging by what I see online.
My 29-year-old niece just bought a whole brunch of SU stuff from me (I'm a demo just for myself) because all of her friends' babies are having first and second birthdays and she wants to make cards for them. It was really sweet because she was so excited she kept texting me all day when she got her supplies and started playing with them.
So, she then asked me if I would do a SU party for her and her friends because she said she talked to them about card making and they were all "fired up", lol. It was really sweet. I haven't done a demo in 15 years but I said for her, of course! I have no interest in making it a business but my niece is so sweet and her friends are nice, I figure it will just be a fun way to talk stamping with others because I don't have any crafty friends.
My niece owns her own aesthetician business so she is creative-minded, so stamping seems like a good fit.
I got into scrapbooking and card making when I was about 31, so I think that may just be the age in the lifecycle where crafts like these start to become more interesting to people.
Michael's was never great for supplies, so I'm not surprised if their stamping and scrapbooking sections are shrinking. I just felt like they never did a great job with those areas in the first place. I bet most people buy online because they see stuff on Instagram, so it's just easy.
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Post by Jessica on Feb 27, 2021 20:51:23 GMT
Lots of good points and thoughts upthread, although I'd say there is a correlation but maybe not a causation? Regarding scrapping -- with photos now being so readily accessible on phones and through social media, memories are being documented differently (but still are getting documented). As far as stamping goes, there are some younger creatives and while you don't see many right now, hobbies are all about discretionary income, and the pull for latest and greatest is always a factor. I know I didn't make much extra money so I didn't have many supplies. And card making as you see on YT seem to require so many things that still make me think "yikes, that's cute but I don't need another die set." Another factor is the industry supply and demand and creative hobbies seem to be cyclical -- big companies buying out little companies, stuff starts to look the same, people buy less, companies go out of business, etc. I rarely plan to find anything in a box store but I do have a local stamping/scrap store that I do love to patronize, and her stuff has definitely moved to that mixed media trend. That being said, I'm 37 so I'm on the younger side but I've been scrapping since college and dabble in cardmaking once in a while and have seen a lot of changes in that time-frame. Good, thought-provoking thread!
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Post by jediannie on Feb 27, 2021 21:05:32 GMT
A lot of the scrappers and card makers I follow on Instagram & Youtube are under 40. There are some that are my age and older (I'm 50) but most are younger. I think it's just the nature of the business, it ebbs & flows. That being said, I've read some articles about how with the pandemic so many people are getting into arts & crafts that craft stores are having a hard time keeping things in stock (look at the paint section of any Michaels for example) and Blick is having a hard time keeping stuff in stock as well.
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Post by kate on Feb 27, 2021 22:14:38 GMT
Was that the Frugal Crafter? I saw that video, and it was indeed thought-provoking.
I was struck by her comment that minimalism is such a hot thing right now, and younger people may hesitate to dive into a hobby that requires a lot of STUFF. That really resonated with me.
OTOH, I think there's a swing back toward non-virtual experiences right now. Many of my younger colleagues at work are finding kitting/crocheting, pottery, and other hands-on activities to be a relief after being on a screen all day, every day.
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Post by boymom5 on Feb 27, 2021 22:38:47 GMT
So back in the day we printed all our pictures because of film and then something needed to be done with them. For me the most logical thing was albums which then evolved into scrapbooking for me in HS as popularity began to rise. As pictures became more digital and the need for printing has stopped, I think many also stopped documenting them. It’s easier to share on FB or a blog and have a service print a book for you.
As for stamping I can’t specifically answer as I only use mine as a part of scrapbooking, but I do wonder the price of stamps themselves and in a way they become obsolete fairly quickly- at least that’s why I never got into it. I can only make so many cards or pages with the same image before I get tired of it. So I personally buy digital stamps for much less or stamps with more versatility. I do know a handful of people under 60 (late 30s to mid 40s) who are big scrapbookers and stampers. I also taught a class for kids which was quite full and they were excited over it.
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Post by sam9 on Feb 28, 2021 0:57:37 GMT
As far as stamping and card making is concerned, my personal opinion is that age is involved. I've been stamping long enough to realize that once you own the basics it just doesn't make sense to keep on buying new versions of the things you already have. Also, Instagram has made me realize that I can't keep up and that I'm not really interested in doing so. There are so many releases every month, all basically the same. The designers use the sets once and then it's over. I've found that buying stickers/embellishments from scrapbooking companies to make cards is a much cheaper way to keep up with the "trends". I'm tired of paying a minimum of $50 for one stamp and die set that I get tired of after 3 cards.
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Post by ScrapbookMyLife on Feb 28, 2021 4:19:23 GMT
I have been scrapbooking about 24 years. I am mid 50's.
I know a few people of various ages, that do coffee table style photo books. One or two chronological for each year. As well as one for an special stuff like.... vacation, graduation, wedding, etc... Very similar to the old style of having photo albums.
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Post by 950nancy on Feb 28, 2021 4:27:20 GMT
I think there are a few factors that play into slump. I think people in general had a more stable income a year or so ago. Now people have more time and less income for wants.
I do think Covid is going to change some things forever. I hope paper crafting isn't one of them. Lots of young people I know are crafters, but they are more interested in creating decor than paper crafting.
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Post by crittsmom on Feb 28, 2021 5:52:10 GMT
Interesting topics. I'm over 60 and I don't even know many paper crafters anymore. All of the LSS have dried up. I rarely go to M, Joanne or HL anymore, hardly any selection there. Ordering more online. I would think that since everyone has been on lockdown for covid that there would be more interest in scrapbooking/paper crafting. Will agree that it runs in cycles.
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Post by scrappyem on Feb 28, 2021 13:52:25 GMT
I'm in my early 40's now & been crafting since I was a kid. My friends all love my scrapbooks, especially seeing themselves in them, they love when we do a crafty day and make cards, or one year I did vision boards with them, but none of them really craft. My friends with small kids, I've used the Project Life app as what I'm hoping is a gateway drug or at least encourages them to get their photos printed. One friend is really into cooking, another decor, another & just took up crocheting during the pandemic. They are all great hobbies, but I do wish I had a scrappy friend In real life. My sister got a Cricut for Christmas, so she's started using it on crafty decor, so that's been fun. I do seem to be moving more and more digital these days but I'm always happiest playing with paper.
Google trends is kind of fun to look and see things overtime.
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Post by peachiceteas on Feb 28, 2021 14:06:30 GMT
I disagree with the idea that young people can't afford to scrapbook. Me and my 20-30 something friends have plenty of disposable income. It's just what we choose to spend it on differs.
We're all college/university educated and have careers. A lot of us own property and/or have got married. Quite a few of us have no interest in having children. That can mean a nice chunk of disposable income to spend on whatever you please.
If the industry is 'dying' (not sure I even agree with this to be honest) and failing to attract new, young people, I think it's because it's not seen as a cool thing to do. It's not instagrammable. It doesn't really subscribe to the 'less is more' aesthetic that is popular amongst young people.
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Post by hop2 on Feb 28, 2021 14:21:40 GMT
Michael's was never great for supplies, so I'm not surprised if their stamping and scrapbooking sections are shrinking. I just felt like they never did a great job with those areas in the first place. I bet most people buy online because they see stuff on Instagram, so it's just easy. Specifically for stamping Michael’s own brand stamps are a crap quality with a high price. It’s like paying premium for a $1 store quality clear stamp. Once you’ve been sucked in that first stamp and then it sucks your going to avoid paying their high prices for that crap again.
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Post by LavenderLayoutLady on Feb 28, 2021 15:28:18 GMT
I don't really think it's age related. I'm way under 60 yrs old, and I stamp while scrapping. And have since my early twenties when I started scrapping.
I think part of it is that there are so many places to buy scrap stuff, that the turn over in big box stores is slow.
I also think that a lot of scrappers who were scrapping in the early 2000's remember when quality paper and supplies were abundant, and so were LSS. It's hard to be excited for some store brand, thin, looks like everything else Recollections paper sheets or crappy stamps, when we know what quality looks & feels like.
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Post by sleepingbooty on Feb 28, 2021 15:35:23 GMT
I disagree with the idea that young people can't afford to scrapbook. Me and my 20-30 something friends have plenty of disposable income. It's just what we choose to spend it on differs. We're all college/university educated and have careers. A lot of us own property and/or have got married. Quite a few of us have no interest in having children. That can mean a nice chunk of disposable income to spend on whatever you please. I share a similar profile to peachiceteas : 30s, childfree, university degree (no student debt), urban lifestyle. Stamps are almost exclusively used for documenting/scrapbooking my life. I prioritise the memory-making over the memory-keeping. This means that the chunk of my disposable income goes to (used to go to before the pandemic hit anyway) experiences: weekend trips, opera subscription, museum pass, global travel, the occasional high end restaurant, Disneyland Paris annual pass, etc. Scrapbooking is definitely way down the line in terms of what I spend my money on although I love it. The bulk of my stamps are from indie designers who cater to my lifestyle such as Kelly Purkey. Definitely not stamps for cardmaking or "pretty pages". They represent and illustrate how I live. This is definitely a very particular but thriving niche in the industry. Kelly's monthly releases often sell out quickly. There's definitely a quiet, lesser known audience that still buys products regularly and lovingly.
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Post by scrapnnana on Feb 28, 2021 17:03:16 GMT
I definitely use my scrapbook papers and electronic cutter for making home decor, so it’s not just the young people interested.
However, I think you make a really good point that the virus has had an impact which will change some things forever.
So true.
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Post by 950nancy on Feb 28, 2021 21:54:44 GMT
I disagree with the idea that young people can't afford to scrapbook. Me and my 20-30 something friends have plenty of disposable income. It's just what we choose to spend it on differs. We're all college/university educated and have careers. A lot of us own property and/or have got married. Quite a few of us have no interest in having children. That can mean a nice chunk of disposable income to spend on whatever you please. If the industry is 'dying' (not sure I even agree with this to be honest) and failing to attract new, young people, I think it's because it's not seen as a cool thing to do. It's not instagrammable. It doesn't really subscribe to the 'less is more' aesthetic that is popular amongst young people. I don't think it is young people as a rule. Think it is a lot of people are now saving more for the next emergency or are trying to get through this one. Lots of people on FB groups are bemoaning their lack of funds to spend on scrapping. I do agree that some young people have money. I have two kids under 27 that have their own homes. Right now, they are choosing to spend their extra cash on filling their homes or experiences.
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