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Post by Enna on Mar 16, 2021 6:55:05 GMT
My country (Finland) is still using the vaccine. They say it is safe and I believe them. And I believe in numbers.
When millions of people are vaccinated, there are going to be people who get ill or die after that. But it would happen even without the vaccine.
So far timing is the only thing connecting the vaccine and these cases. I do believe that if there were serious problems with this vaccine, it would have been noticed in Britain.
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Post by miominmio on Mar 16, 2021 6:55:13 GMT
I can understand being cautious. What I can't understand is that they don't study the data or prove that there is a correlation between these deaths and the vaccine before making a spontaneous decision of blaming it on the vaccine. It's common knowledge that Covid 19 itself causes blood clots. In the absence of any proof, what is to say that these deaths were not due to Covid itself or any other reason It's not as if, under normal circumstances, blood clots, embolisms, DVT's and such like, are a rare occurrence. They happen every day to a number of people. Surely when over 17million have received this vaccine the number would be far higher that the alleged 30 reports from the 6 million inoculated across Europe and over 11 million in the UK. That isn't anywhere near the number that die of blood clots under normal circumstances pre Covid. It's worrying that they can undermine the message and play into the hands of the anti-vaxers when there is a desperate need for people to receive this because the risks associated with Covid are far far higher. Especially when the regulating body of the EU, the UK and the WHO all say it is safe for use. The UK has mostly used it on older people, whereas the rest of Europe has used it on people who a younger. And «alleged»? 2 young, previously healthy people have died shortly after receiving it in my country alone (with more people being in hospital), and btw, it is not just blod clots, but trombocytopeni, meaning the blood loses its ability to clot. I’m grateful they’re suspending vaccinations with the AstraZeneca vaccines.
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Post by miominmio on Mar 16, 2021 6:56:56 GMT
My country (Finland) is still using the vaccine. They say it is safe and I believe them. And I believe in numbers. When millions of people are vaccineted, they are going to be people who get ill or die after that. But it would happen even without the vaccine. So far timing is the only thing connecting the vaccine and these cases. I do believe that if there were serious problems with this vaccine, it would have been noticed in Britain. When young, healthy people suddenly die, not to mention we have about 1000 reports of low platelet counts in my country alone, I for one am getting very worried.
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Post by Enna on Mar 16, 2021 7:04:03 GMT
My country (Finland) is still using the vaccine. They say it is safe and I believe them. And I believe in numbers. When millions of people are vaccineted, they are going to be people who get ill or die after that. But it would happen even without the vaccine. So far timing is the only thing connecting the vaccine and these cases. I do believe that if there were serious problems with this vaccine, it would have been noticed in Britain. When young, healthy people suddenly die, not to mention we have about 1000 reports of low platelet counts in my country alone, I for one am getting very worried. I think it's good to investigate. And they say that they are looking into this here as well, so if there's a evidence of anything bad, they will stop the vaccinations. But I also don't want to be overly worried yet before there is something concrete about the situation. More than timing.
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Post by miominmio on Mar 16, 2021 7:05:47 GMT
When young, healthy people suddenly die, not to mention we have about 1000 reports of low platelet counts in my country alone, I for one am getting very worried. I think it's good to investigate. And they say that they are looking into this here as well, so if there's a evidence of anything bad, they will stop the vaccinations. But I also don't want to be overly worried yet before there is something concrete about the situation. More than timing. The sheer number of cases, makes it very doubtful that it’s coincidental. I’ll happily take one of the other vaccines, but there’s no way in heck I’m getting the AstraZeneca.
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Post by gar on Mar 16, 2021 9:05:50 GMT
miominmio, I didn't know about the figures and situations you're talking about. That would be alarming of course. I hope it can be investigated fully and fears allayed. It's strange that it's affect mostly young people?
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Post by miominmio on Mar 16, 2021 9:21:02 GMT
miominmio , I didn't know about the figures and situations you're talking about. That would be alarming of course. I hope it can be investigated fully and fears allayed. It's strange that it's affect mostly young people? Not strange, considering only health care workers have received it so far.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2021 9:22:15 GMT
I can understand being cautious. What I can't understand is that they don't study the data or prove that there is a correlation between these deaths and the vaccine before making a spontaneous decision of blaming it on the vaccine. It's common knowledge that Covid 19 itself causes blood clots. In the absence of any proof, what is to say that these deaths were not due to Covid itself or any other reason It's not as if, under normal circumstances, blood clots, embolisms, DVT's and such like, are a rare occurrence. They happen every day to a number of people. Surely when over 17million have received this vaccine the number would be far higher that the alleged 30 reports from the 6 million inoculated across Europe and over 11 million in the UK. That isn't anywhere near the number that die of blood clots under normal circumstances pre Covid. It's worrying that they can undermine the message and play into the hands of the anti-vaxers when there is a desperate need for people to receive this because the risks associated with Covid are far far higher. Especially when the regulating body of the EU, the UK and the WHO all say it is safe for use. Right now I think everyone is so desperate for this whole pandemic thing to end that they are willing to close their eyes to any data that suggests that the vaccines are UN safe. No vaccine is 100% safe, and the fact that they claim it is, makes me VERY hesitant to receive the AZ vaccine. I will take one of the others, but not that one. The reports of side effects are too many to ignore. I don't think they or anyone else have said it's 100% safe - no vaccine ever is. Every vaccine and medication out there has side affects and AZ has no more recorded side affects than Pfizer or Moderna. Pfizer have had nearly the same amount of deaths overall yet no one has suspended that one. One had to balance the risk of what one is trying to achieve - the risks from catching Covid far far out risks the side affects from any of these vaccines and to stop the countries roll out in protecting their citizens is irresponsible at this present time. Norway even investigated the Pfizer one back in January :- Doctors in Norway have been told to conduct more thorough evaluations of very frail elderly patients in line to receive the Pfizer BioNTec vaccine against covid-19, following the deaths of 23 patients shortly after receiving the vaccine.
“It may be a coincidence, but we aren’t sure,” Steinar Madsen, medical director of the Norwegian Medicines Agency (NOMA), told The BMJ. “There is no certain connection between these deaths and the vaccine.”
The agency has investigated 13 of the deaths so far and concluded that common adverse reactions of mRNA vaccines, such as fever, nausea, and diarrhoea, may have contributed to fatal outcomes in some of the frail patients LINK
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Post by miominmio on Mar 16, 2021 9:41:01 GMT
Right now I think everyone is so desperate for this whole pandemic thing to end that they are willing to close their eyes to any data that suggests that the vaccines are UN safe. No vaccine is 100% safe, and the fact that they claim it is, makes me VERY hesitant to receive the AZ vaccine. I will take one of the others, but not that one. The reports of side effects are too many to ignore. I don't think they or anyone else have said it's 100% safe - no vaccine ever is. Every vaccine and medication out there has side affects and AZ has no more recorded side affects than Pfizer or Moderna. Pfizer have had nearly the same amount of deaths overall yet no one has suspended that one. One had to balance the risk of what one is trying to achieve - the risks from catching Covid far far out risks the side affects from any of these vaccines and to stop the countries roll out in protecting their citizens is irresponsible at this present time. Norway even investigated the Pfizer one back in January :- Doctors in Norway have been told to conduct more thorough evaluations of very frail elderly patients in line to receive the Pfizer BioNTec vaccine against covid-19, following the deaths of 23 patients shortly after receiving the vaccine.
“It may be a coincidence, but we aren’t sure,” Steinar Madsen, medical director of the Norwegian Medicines Agency (NOMA), told The BMJ. “There is no certain connection between these deaths and the vaccine.”
The agency has investigated 13 of the deaths so far and concluded that common adverse reactions of mRNA vaccines, such as fever, nausea, and diarrhoea, may have contributed to fatal outcomes in some of the frail patients LINKOh nice one, quoting Norwegian media. Those deaths were not Linked to the vaccine (in fact, mortality rates have been lower in 2020 than during any of the previous 20 years). 400 people die in nursing homes every week, and the numbers did not go up during the weeks when the patients were vaccinated. Apples and oranges. The number of reported serious side effects with AZ is far, far higher than with the others.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2021 9:59:55 GMT
I can understand being cautious. What I can't understand is that they don't study the data or prove that there is a correlation between these deaths and the vaccine before making a spontaneous decision of blaming it on the vaccine. It's common knowledge that Covid 19 itself causes blood clots. In the absence of any proof, what is to say that these deaths were not due to Covid itself or any other reason It's not as if, under normal circumstances, blood clots, embolisms, DVT's and such like, are a rare occurrence. They happen every day to a number of people. Surely when over 17million have received this vaccine the number would be far higher that the alleged 30 reports from the 6 million inoculated across Europe and over 11 million in the UK. That isn't anywhere near the number that die of blood clots under normal circumstances pre Covid. It's worrying that they can undermine the message and play into the hands of the anti-vaxers when there is a desperate need for people to receive this because the risks associated with Covid are far far higher. Especially when the regulating body of the EU, the UK and the WHO all say it is safe for use. The UK has mostly used it on older people, whereas the rest of Europe has used it on people who a younger. And «alleged»? 2 young, previously healthy people have died shortly after receiving it in my country alone (with more people being in hospital), and btw, it is not just blod clots, but trombocytopeni, meaning the blood loses its ability to clot. I’m grateful they’re suspending vaccinations with the AstraZeneca vaccines. That isn't true - the roll out here is now vaccinating the 50 to 59. DH had his yesterday and he's only 51. But your argument doesn't really hold water when people like Macron have in the past said it wasn't suitable for the elderly. Yet you now say that is the reason it's been OK here. The UK have vaccinated over 23 million people, out of that 11 million have received the AZ ( probably more now but I haven't checked what the numbers are today) Not all of those were elderly. They included all healthcare workers including healthcare workers in retirement/nursing homes and the ones working in the community whatever their age. Medically vulnerable people and young people with learning difficulties over the age of 16.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2021 10:12:22 GMT
I don't think they or anyone else have said it's 100% safe - no vaccine ever is. Every vaccine and medication out there has side affects and AZ has no more recorded side affects than Pfizer or Moderna. Pfizer have had nearly the same amount of deaths overall yet no one has suspended that one. One had to balance the risk of what one is trying to achieve - the risks from catching Covid far far out risks the side affects from any of these vaccines and to stop the countries roll out in protecting their citizens is irresponsible at this present time. Norway even investigated the Pfizer one back in January :- Doctors in Norway have been told to conduct more thorough evaluations of very frail elderly patients in line to receive the Pfizer BioNTec vaccine against covid-19, following the deaths of 23 patients shortly after receiving the vaccine.
“It may be a coincidence, but we aren’t sure,” Steinar Madsen, medical director of the Norwegian Medicines Agency (NOMA), told The BMJ. “There is no certain connection between these deaths and the vaccine.”
The agency has investigated 13 of the deaths so far and concluded that common adverse reactions of mRNA vaccines, such as fever, nausea, and diarrhoea, may have contributed to fatal outcomes in some of the frail patients LINKOh nice one, quoting Norwegian media. Those deaths were not Linked to the vaccine (in fact, mortality rates have been lower in 2020 than during any of the previous 20 years). 400 people die in nursing homes every week, and the numbers did not go up during the weeks when the patients were vaccinated. Apples and oranges. The number of reported serious side effects with AZ is far, far higher than with the others. I wasn't actually deliberately quoting Norwegian Media but that is what came up when checking deaths world wide for both vaccines. Isn't it Norwegian media that is now also publicising the alleged problems with AZ? You use the excuse that it wouldn't happen here because most of the people were elderly which is not true. Where are our deaths from the frail and the elderly from this vaccine as most of them can be attached to that category if they are in a nursing homes here?
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Post by miominmio on Mar 16, 2021 10:18:27 GMT
Oh nice one, quoting Norwegian media. Those deaths were not Linked to the vaccine (in fact, mortality rates have been lower in 2020 than during any of the previous 20 years). 400 people die in nursing homes every week, and the numbers did not go up during the weeks when the patients were vaccinated. Apples and oranges. The number of reported serious side effects with AZ is far, far higher than with the others. I wasn't actually deliberately quoting Norwegian Media but that is what came up when checking deaths world wide for both vaccines. Isn't it Norwegian media that is now also publicising the alleged problems with AZ? You use the excuse that it wouldn't happen here because most of the people were elderly which is not true. Where are our deaths from the frail and the elderly from this vaccine as most of them can be attached to that category if they are in a nursing homes here? I’m not «excusing» anything. So far, the AZ seems awfully unsafe. What do you have to say about 1000 cases with reported low platelet count? And two deaths among young people? Doesn’t seem overly safe to me.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2021 10:38:06 GMT
I wasn't actually deliberately quoting Norwegian Media but that is what came up when checking deaths world wide for both vaccines. Isn't it Norwegian media that is now also publicising the alleged problems with AZ? You use the excuse that it wouldn't happen here because most of the people were elderly which is not true. Where are our deaths from the frail and the elderly from this vaccine as most of them can be attached to that category if they are in a nursing homes here? I’m not «excusing» anything. So far, the AZ seems awfully unsafe. What do you have to say about 1000 cases with reported low platelet count? And two deaths among young people? Doesn’t seem overly safe to me. So you won't be having either the AZ or the Pfizer then? LINKEU regulators are reviewing reports of low blood platelets in patients who received any of the three approved COVID-19 vaccines from Pfizer/BioNTech, AstraZeneca and Moderna.You do realize that they regularly review all vaccines on a number of side affect over the lifetime of a vaccine, constantly for all the vaccines out there and not just for the Covid one and continue to do so throughout the time any particular vaccine is in use.
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Post by uksue on Mar 16, 2021 10:43:42 GMT
I received AZ on 14/02 and I have history of DVT and Pulmonary embolism . I will be extra vigilant and my children ( all grown up) have been educated about the signs and symptoms just in case but I’m losing no sleep over this and will get my second as soon as it’s offered.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2021 11:00:04 GMT
I received AZ on 14/02 and I have history of DVT and Pulmonary embolism . I will be extra vigilant and my children ( all grown up) have been educated about the signs and symptoms just in case but I’m losing no sleep over this and will get my second as soon as it’s offered. I would expect to do that with any vaccine to be honest or any medication if it comes to that. They even asked DH whether he had any allergies, was he on any medicine, any Anticoagulants, or if he had a previous vaccination reaction. People are known to have anaphylactic shock or even death from penicillin. Yet they haven't taken it off the market. The low risk out weighs the good it does for infections. Same applies to the vaccines for Covid. As sad and as tragic as it is for the people involved, the risk of catching covid and the consequences in doing so is far far higher than the risk from any of the vaccines.
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Post by Enna on Mar 16, 2021 14:31:15 GMT
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Post by sam9 on Mar 16, 2021 14:53:22 GMT
When we go for our COVID vaccinations we have to bring a list of all the medications we currently take.
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Post by gar on Mar 16, 2021 15:19:08 GMT
EU agency 'firmly convinced benefits outweigh risks. BBC
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Post by sam9 on Mar 16, 2021 16:17:24 GMT
My MIL should sue. She is 75 and received the AZ vaccine yesterday, before it was approved for use in Canada for people over 64. I know someone else who also received it before it was officially approved.
Don't get me wrong, I don't believe that anything is wrong with the vaccine, and neither does my MIL. She was happy to take it yesterday, even while knowing that 7 countries had temporarily stopped its use. She is so eager to get out and about and play golf with her friends that she probably would have signed permission to possibly be getting a placebo (joke). She is getting much enjoyment from being able to tell everyone she knows all the details.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2021 16:29:52 GMT
My MIL should sue. She is 75 and received the AZ vaccine yesterday, before it was approved for use in Canada for people over 64. I know someone else who also received it before it was officially approved. Don't get me wrong, I don't believe that anything is wrong with the vaccine, and neither does my MIL. She was happy to take it yesterday, even while knowing that 7 countries had temporarily stopped its use. She is so eager to get out and about and play golf with her friends that she probably would have signed permission to possibly be getting a placebo (joke). She is getting much enjoyment from being able to tell everyone she knows all the details. Why on earth would she do that. The vaccine has been approved. Surely that isn't the same as a recommendation that it isn't used on certain ages. Recommendation and approval are not the same thing. We have many medications here that have had approval and a license for use but quite a few of them are not recommended, for a variety of reasons, to be used by everyone. It wasn't the fact that it wasn't safe for the over 65 it was because the number of people that was included in the trials was not as high as other age groups so they didn't have the same amount of data to compare in the over 65. The UK read that data differently and it's obviously proved a good thing we did.
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Post by sam9 on Mar 16, 2021 16:42:59 GMT
My MIL should sue. She is 75 and received the AZ vaccine yesterday, before it was approved for use in Canada for people over 64. I know someone else who also received it before it was officially approved. Don't get me wrong, I don't believe that anything is wrong with the vaccine, and neither does my MIL. She was happy to take it yesterday, even while knowing that 7 countries had temporarily stopped its use. She is so eager to get out and about and play golf with her friends that she probably would have signed permission to possibly be getting a placebo (joke). She is getting much enjoyment from being able to tell everyone she knows all the details. Why on earth would she do that. The vaccine has been approved. Surely that isn't the same as a recommendation that it isn't used on certain ages. Recommendation and approval are not the same thing. We have many medications here that have had approval and a license for use but quite a few of them are not recommended, for a variety of reasons, to be used by everyone. It wasn't the fact that it wasn't safe for the over 65 it was because the number of people that was included in the trials was not as high as other age groups so they didn't have the same amount of data to compare in the over 65. The UK read that data differently and it's obviously proved a good thing we did. Because until today it was NOT APPROVED in Canada for use in her age group. A technicality for sure but true just the same. Someone f***ed up somewhere. She not's planning to sue. With our universal health coverage we pretty much have to accept anything and everything that happens to us from a medical care perspective.
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Post by psiluvu on Mar 16, 2021 16:56:00 GMT
Because until today it was NOT APPROVED in Canada for use in her age group. A technicality for sure but true just the same. Someone f***ed up somewhere. She not's planning to sue. With our universal health coverage we pretty much have to accept anything and everything that happens to us from a medical care perspective. I'm sure no one held her down and jabbed her with the needle. She certainly could have said no. I have heard of lots of people in Quebec who stopped waiting in line when they heard it was the Astra Zeneca vaccine that was being distributed. It should be each individual's personal responsibility to know what they are doing to their body and what the side effects should be. I personally will take whichever vaccine is offered but I have and continue to keep reading about all of them and will do so until it is my turn and probably long after.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2021 17:03:23 GMT
Why on earth would she do that. The vaccine has been approved. Surely that isn't the same as a recommendation that it isn't used on certain ages. Recommendation and approval are not the same thing. We have many medications here that have had approval and a license for use but quite a few of them are not recommended, for a variety of reasons, to be used by everyone. It wasn't the fact that it wasn't safe for the over 65 it was because the number of people that was included in the trials was not as high as other age groups so they didn't have the same amount of data to compare in the over 65. The UK read that data differently and it's obviously proved a good thing we did. Because until today it was NOT APPROVED in Canada for use in her age group. A technicality for sure but true just the same. Someone f***ed up somewhere. She not's planning to sue. With our universal health coverage we pretty much have to accept anything and everything that happens to us from a medical care perspective. Oh OK I thought this was the official approval at the end of February and there's nothing on there that says it's not approved for that age group
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Post by sam9 on Mar 16, 2021 17:07:43 GMT
Because until today it was NOT APPROVED in Canada for use in her age group. A technicality for sure but true just the same. Someone f***ed up somewhere. She not's planning to sue. With our universal health coverage we pretty much have to accept anything and everything that happens to us from a medical care perspective. I'm sure no one held her down and jabbed her with the needle. She certainly could have said no. I have heard of lots of people in Quebec who stopped waiting in line when they heard it was the Astra Zeneca vaccine that was being distributed. It should be each individual's personal responsibility to know what they are doing to their body and what the side effects should be. I personally will take whichever vaccine is offered but I have and continue to keep reading about all of them and will do so until it is my turn and probably long after. Yes, there were two orderlies on site who strapped her into a chair and they jabbed her with the needle. Hard. Why are you being so insistent that my MIL is stupid? After all, she doesn't even live in Québec, as you have been assuming. Wasn't born here either. That should ease your bigoted mind as to her mental capacity. I have already said that she happily took the vaccine. I still think someone screwed up somewhere if it wasn't approved for 65+ until today.
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Post by psiluvu on Mar 16, 2021 17:15:06 GMT
I'm sure no one held her down and jabbed her with the needle. She certainly could have said no. I have heard of lots of people in Quebec who stopped waiting in line when they heard it was the Astra Zeneca vaccine that was being distributed. It should be each individual's personal responsibility to know what they are doing to their body and what the side effects should be. I personally will take whichever vaccine is offered but I have and continue to keep reading about all of them and will do so until it is my turn and probably long after. Yes, there were two orderlies on site who strapped her into a chair and they jabbed her with the needle. Hard. Why are you being so insistent that my MIL is stupid? After all, she doesn't even live in Québec, as you have been assuming. Wasn't born here either. That should ease your bigoted mind as to her mental capacity. I have already said that she happily took the vaccine. I still think someone screwed up somewhere if it wasn't approved for 65+ until today. I didn't say she was in Quebec. I said I had heard of people walking away from lineups was in Quebec. I also no where said she was stupid. i said she should inform herself and if there was some sort of barrier ( language or otherwise) then maybe her family could have stepped in and ensure she was making the best decision. I am glad she is vaccinated and hope she stays healthy
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Post by sam9 on Mar 16, 2021 17:24:13 GMT
Yes, there were two orderlies on site who strapped her into a chair and they jabbed her with the needle. Hard. Why are you being so insistent that my MIL is stupid? After all, she doesn't even live in Québec, as you have been assuming. Wasn't born here either. That should ease your bigoted mind as to her mental capacity. I have already said that she happily took the vaccine. I still think someone screwed up somewhere if it wasn't approved for 65+ until today. I didn't say she was in Quebec. I said I had heard of people walking away from lineups was in Quebec. I also no where said she was stupid. i said she should inform herself and if there was some sort of barrier ( language or otherwise) then maybe her family could have stepped in and ensure she was making the best decision. I am glad she is vaccinated and hope she stays healthy There you go again - "she should inform herself". She can read and everything. She even owns a home and lives by herself. Drives a school bus. Even at 75. P.S. There are no lineups in Québec. It is very well organized. You make an appointment and no waiting. At all. Excellent job being done in Québec.
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Post by katlaw on Mar 17, 2021 0:50:48 GMT
I read that the AstraZeneca we are getting in Canada is Covishield. From a manufacturing facility in India. The AstraZeneca in Europe is from a European manufacting facility. Not that it should matter, it really sounds like the blood clot news is nothing to be concerned about. «Nothing to be concerned about»? First of all: the «recipe» is the same no matter where it is produced. And people dying is nothing to you? What I meant was the countries that have suspended the vaccine have said "it cannot be concluded whether there is a link between the vaccine and the blood clots." The EMA says there is "no indication that vaccination has caused these conditions." AstraZeneca Plc on Sunday said it had conducted a review of people vaccinated with its COVID-19 vaccine, and no evidence has been found of an increased risk of blood clots. The review covered more than 17 million people vaccinated in the European Union and United Kingdom. The World Health Organization (WHO) and EMA have joined AstraZeneca in saying there is no proven link. I certainly never meant I am not concerned about people dying.
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