QueenoftheSloths
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Post by QueenoftheSloths on Mar 26, 2021 22:39:01 GMT
At least in the older man having a baby with new young wife scenario, one parent is more likely to still be around to see the child grow up.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Mar 26, 2021 23:39:56 GMT
I am 57 and I can't even imagine caring for a newborn. I'm tired and a little selfish with my time since I already raised a family. But hey, I haven't walked in her shoes so I can't judge. I didn't read the story but I have to wonder how it's going to be for the child having dinosaur parents. Obviously the child isn't going to have the years with its parents like most of us have. Is the child an only? That’s not necessarily true. The mom is in really good shape and was going to the gym right up until she delivered. No one has any guarantees in this life. My dad died at 56. I have a friend whose DH died of an unexpected aortic rupture in his mid 40’s. Look at all the younger people who have passed away from Covid. You just never know. They do have another older child in addition to the daughter who passed away. FWIW, my mom had me at 40 and she was very young at heart! She would happily chaperone stuff like school roller skating field trips when I was a kid (and actually skated with us!), and did lots of fun stuff with us. I had my kid at 43 and she thinks I’m pretty awesome. Once I asked her if she ever wished she had younger parents and she said, “Nope, because you said when you were younger you were broke!” 🤣😂🤣 ETA: My mom passed away when she was 84. Her grandkids ranged in age from 1 to 36, with my kid being the youngest and the oldest ones were born to teenage parents. I don’t think that option is all that awesome either. Personally, I’d rather have the parents who waited to have me until they had their shit together.
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Post by bc2ca on Mar 26, 2021 23:55:42 GMT
I admit the first thing I thought reading about giving birth at 57 is mom will be 75 when the baby turns 18. My mom was in the early dementia stages at the age.
I can't imagine going through the heartbreak of losing a child. I hope this new baby is surrounded by love and the parents set up a Trust, have good life insurance along with family and/or friends willing to be guardians. Do we know how old the sister, Gracie, is?
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Post by freecharlie on Mar 27, 2021 0:03:45 GMT
That's a HELL NO from me.
Of course I think it's nuts when someone who has kids in middle or high school decide to have a baby.
I love my kids. I loved when they were little. I also love not having to be "on" 24/7.
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Post by muggins on Mar 27, 2021 2:47:16 GMT
I think it’s selfish to have a child at that age.
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Post by iteach3rdgrade on Mar 27, 2021 4:03:59 GMT
I wouldn’t have the energy.
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Post by gar on Mar 27, 2021 8:28:50 GMT
I am 57 and I can't even imagine caring for a newborn. I'm tired and a little selfish with my time since I already raised a family. But hey, I haven't walked in her shoes so I can't judge. I didn't read the story but I have to wonder how it's going to be for the child having dinosaur parents. Obviously the child isn't going to have the years with its parents like most of us have. Is the child an only? That’s not necessarily true. The mom is in really good shape and was going to the gym right up until she delivered. No one has any guarantees in this life. My dad died at 56. I have a friend whose DH died of an unexpected aortic rupture in his mid 40’s. Look at all the younger people who have passed away from Covid. You just never know. They do have another older child in addition to the daughter who passed away. FWIW, my mom had me at 40 and she was very young at heart! She would happily chaperone stuff like school roller skating field trips when I was a kid (and actually skated with us!), and did lots of fun stuff with us. I had my kid at 43 and she thinks I’m pretty awesome. Once I asked her if she ever wished she had younger parents and she said, “Nope, because you said when you were younger you were broke!” 🤣😂🤣 ETA: My mom passed away when she was 84. Her grandkids ranged in age from 1 to 36, with my kid being the youngest and the oldest ones were born to teenage parents. I don’t think that option is all that awesome either. Personally, I’d rather have the parents who waited to have me until they had their shit together. It's not necessarily true but the odds are against it. Of course there are folk who lose a parent young...but they're the minority.
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Post by sueg on Mar 27, 2021 9:02:32 GMT
I am 59 and was 57 when my granddaughter was born. No way I'd have wanted to be having a baby at that point in my life - not even the 'fun' of auntie and niece being the same age and growing up together would compensate. I am already tired all the time, and don't have the speed and mobility I had in my 30s. I lost my mum when she was 48 and I was 25 - all of us expected many more years with her and the loss hit all of us kids (I am the eldest) really hard. It was a factor in me deciding I wanted to have my children earlier rather than later in life, so having a baby at 57 (even if I could) was never on my radar.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2021 9:25:42 GMT
It's always heart breaking for anyone at the loss of a child but this child will never and should not be, a replacement. To deliberately choose to have a child at that age to fill that void is IMO quite selfish. They're doing it to satisfy their needs not the needs of the child. There's a reason why a woman goes through the menopause at the normal age - it's a natural part of aging and that includes becoming pregnant and giving birth. Not only is it a burden for that child later to have to possibly care for their parents, when under normal circumstances they should be enjoying life being a teenager or young adult, the child is going to miss out on so much that a younger parent can contribute to their life style. They won't have the energy to play things like sports and physical activities that a younger parent will do. I really wouldn't want my child to go to school and have his classmates thinking I was his grandmother and not his mother either.
Parent can die at any age but the chances of dying post 70 is far far higher than it is between 20 - 40 and certainly higher from a variety of natural causes.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Mar 27, 2021 10:16:42 GMT
I was married at 22. It wasn't the best decision. But I will never regret having my first child just a hair before I turned 25. We were financially stable. I was able to be a stay at home mom for 6 years. I had my second child just 18 months later. I had the energy to parent toddlers back then.
I still had plenty of time to return to work and have a career. I was young enough to handle the challenges of parenting two special needs kids too. The thing that trips me up about this is that my kids at almost 21 and 19 still need me. They still need my guidance and leadership. They still apparently need my financial help. I cannot imagine having the energy at 80 years old to be dealing with the kind of things that I'm dealing with. My kids are going to need me around for years to come. Of course I could die today but that would be unusual.
And then there is that this year I'm turning 46 and I have (at least somewhat) my own life back now. I will have the freedom to travel and retire at 60 if I want. By that time I should be able to do so without the burden of a child being dependent on me.
The thing is these people don't know if that child is going to have autism or mental illness. And I feel it is rolling the dice to have a child at that age because anyone has the possibility of having a child whose parenting needs go way beyond 18 years old.
At this point in my life I feel I made the right choice to have my children when I did. And I hope I will be around for many years to come. It would be heartbreaking to me if I didn't have the chance to be a grandmother too. My kids are too young of course. But I assume likely within the next ten years I will have some grandkids. And I absolutely can't wait to be a grandmother. I am going to be a wonderful grandmother. Spoiling those grands rotten.
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Post by Neisey on Mar 27, 2021 12:02:51 GMT
I am 53 with kids almost 22 and 20. I’m not even particularly interested in grandchildren yet so having my own baby would be a definite NO!
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Post by iowgirl on Mar 27, 2021 14:27:34 GMT
To each their own. But as a child of older parents (not nearly THAT old,though) ... there are some great consequences.
I lost my Dad when I was 20. My mom was younger than him, and lived to see my kids as babies, but she was older and could not travel easily.
There are some advantages to older parents, and I am sure it is different in every case, but I think older parents are a little more mellow. My parents retired when I was very young, so we got to go do really fun things. Money wasn't a huge issue.
But they need to have a backup plan in place for someone to raise this kid if something happens to them. That should be the case for every parent, because you just never know - but starting out as parents when you are less than 10 years from 'elderly' ... you need to have a good plan in place for guardians.
You are also probably going to be burden to a very young person also. Your going to be 75 when they are a senior in High School. Almost 80 when they graduate college, if your lucky enough to still be topside.
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Post by Linda on Mar 27, 2021 16:46:03 GMT
I really wouldn't want my child to go to school and have his classmates thinking I was his grandmother and not his mother either. DH and I were 36 when I had my youngest and not only do her classmates assume we're her grandparents, we're also the AGE of many of their grandparents. She just laughs and says no, that my mum (or my dad) but it did sting a bit when she was younger and I know my oldest sure didn't appreciate it when people assumed she was his daughter not his sister. (he was in high school when she was born)
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Post by sasha on Mar 27, 2021 17:07:11 GMT
I am 57 and I can't even imagine caring for a newborn. I'm tired and a little selfish with my time since I already raised a family. But hey, I haven't walked in her shoes so I can't judge. I didn't read the story but I have to wonder how it's going to be for the child having dinosaur parents. Obviously the child isn't going to have the years with its parents like most of us have. Is the child an only? That’s not necessarily true. The mom is in really good shape and was going to the gym right up until she delivered. No one has any guarantees in this life. My dad died at 56. I have a friend whose DH died of an unexpected aortic rupture in his mid 40’s. Look at all the younger people who have passed away from Covid. You just never know. They do have another older child in addition to the daughter who passed away. FWIW, my mom had me at 40 and she was very young at heart! She would happily chaperone stuff like school roller skating field trips when I was a kid (and actually skated with us!), and did lots of fun stuff with us. I had my kid at 43 and she thinks I’m pretty awesome. Once I asked her if she ever wished she had younger parents and she said, “Nope, because you said when you were younger you were broke!” 🤣😂🤣 ETA: My mom passed away when she was 84. Her grandkids ranged in age from 1 to 36, with my kid being the youngest and the oldest ones were born to teenage parents. I don’t think that option is all that awesome either. Personally, I’d rather have the parents who waited to have me until they had their shit together. My husband died at 52. There are no guarantees in life. But my kid was 14 going on 15 when he died. It has had a terrible, prolonged impact with her with anxiety, depression to have suffered a loss that significant at a tender age. For that reason, my feelings on this are clouded. I don't want to judge, but I also feel that this is a bit self-centered. Hopefully the parents will live a nice long life, but it's more likely than not that their kid will deal with one or both their deaths at a much earlier point in life. I just hope that the kid is out of teen years when it happens.
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Post by teach4u on Mar 27, 2021 17:16:31 GMT
I think it's selfish. If she lives to be 77, her child will be 20. I realize that many people have lost parents at a young age, but to be 67 with a 10 year old? That's really not fair to the child. She's in great shape now which is good. Can you imagine being a 4th grader with a mother who's older than many grandparents? Not sure how awkward it would be when friends parents are hanging out in their 30's and 40's and then this woman is almost 70. Just my opinion.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Mar 27, 2021 22:44:58 GMT
That’s not necessarily true. The mom is in really good shape and was going to the gym right up until she delivered. No one has any guarantees in this life. My dad died at 56. I have a friend whose DH died of an unexpected aortic rupture in his mid 40’s. Look at all the younger people who have passed away from Covid. You just never know. They do have another older child in addition to the daughter who passed away. FWIW, my mom had me at 40 and she was very young at heart! She would happily chaperone stuff like school roller skating field trips when I was a kid (and actually skated with us!), and did lots of fun stuff with us. I had my kid at 43 and she thinks I’m pretty awesome. Once I asked her if she ever wished she had younger parents and she said, “Nope, because you said when you were younger you were broke!” 🤣😂🤣 ETA: My mom passed away when she was 84. Her grandkids ranged in age from 1 to 36, with my kid being the youngest and the oldest ones were born to teenage parents. I don’t think that option is all that awesome either. Personally, I’d rather have the parents who waited to have me until they had their shit together. My husband died at 52. There are no guarantees in life. But my kid was 14 going on 15 when he died. It has had a terrible, prolonged impact with her with anxiety, depression to have suffered a loss that significant at a tender age. For that reason, my feelings on this are clouded. I don't want to judge, but I also feel that this is a bit self-centered. Hopefully the parents will live a nice long life, but it's more likely than not that their kid will deal with one or both their deaths at a much earlier point in life. I just hope that the kid is out of teen years when it happens. I was ten when my dad passed away. I totally get it. I was 44 with a one year old when my 84 year old mom passed away. I have five older siblings and one younger one. Want to guess who took care of our mom in the last 5-10 years of her life when she was suffering from Alzheimer’s? It sure as hell wasn’t any of the oldest ones. They couldn’t be bothered. It was mostly my younger brother and me with a little help from my next older brother and we were happy to do it. If it wasn’t for us last three there’s no telling what would have happened because none of the others did anything to step up.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2021 22:59:09 GMT
I'm 60 yo and while I LOVE babies, the answer is no (mainly because DH and I have not had the best health for a few years). If you asked me when I was 47, I would have admitted that I thought about it, strongly!! It was when I met (now)DH and I really wanted to have a baby with him. We got a kitten instead!
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Post by refugeepea on Mar 27, 2021 23:01:08 GMT
I have mixed feelings about this. My grandfather was 60 when my dad was born. He died at the age of sixty nine. Yet my grandma who had 16 kids lived to be 90. You just never know.
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Post by epeanymous on Mar 27, 2021 23:31:07 GMT
¯\_(ツ)_/¯, I was 43 when I had my youngest. I know 43 is not 57, but I definitely got some grief from people who had their kids in their 20s—I think a lot of us have pretty set ideas about what you are supposed to do about having kids and when and how many. I had someone yell at me that I might not be young enough to help raise her kids if she had her kids at the same age I had her (which ... I guess?)
I mean, I am 48 now, and I do not think I would make the decision to have another baby now, much less ten years from now. But I don’t know that it’s nuts to do so, or that everyone is equally healthy and active, or that a lot of this discussion isn’t really assuming that the only people who should have kids are healthy, active young people with long lives ahead of them—what if you have an illness that is likely to take you in your 40s or 50s? Is it selfish to have kids? I don’t know.
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Post by Peal on Mar 28, 2021 0:15:37 GMT
The parents aren't exactly the picture of health. The mom had a brain tumor removed while trying to get pregnant. A brain tumor is what killed her daughter. And the dad has been living with kidney disease and underwent a transplant. ETA: and the dad is 65. That feels like a lot of cards stacked against them seeing their child grow up and reach adulthood.
It's their choice and I wish them the best of luck. They are going to need it. But I would never do it.
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Post by MaryMary on Mar 28, 2021 0:51:39 GMT
It would not be my choice, but I haven’t lived her life and had the same experiences. I wish them happy and healthy lives.
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Post by gar on Mar 28, 2021 9:06:28 GMT
They are going to need it And so is the child.
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Post by J u l e e on Mar 28, 2021 12:47:18 GMT
A part of me feels like this is just a different battle in the Mommy Wars. Much of the concerns shared could be levied against lots of the choices of us here on this thread. I’ve heard some of the same things said about our choice to have an only - it’s selfish us, not fair to her, who will help raise her if we both die in a car crash, what about your family history of cancer and Alzheimer’s, etc. Similar concerns are raised about parents who are young, poor, have large families, live in extended families, and on and on.
What is considered the ideal family situation? And ideal to whom?
Now, I wouldn’t do it because I wouldn’t WANT to do it. That would leave me sucking at it for sure. I did what I wanted and would be successful at, as far as I knew when making the decision. I guess time will tell for me as well!
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Post by artbabe on Mar 28, 2021 14:35:15 GMT
Besides the fact that the parents will probably die while the child is still young, there is also the problem of dealing with aging parents to consider. My dad is 81 and can't walk very well- he already uses a cane and just bought a walker. I think a lot about what the next step in life for him is going to be and what I'm going to do. It is a lot for me and I'm 55. My nephew is 18- I wouldn't want him to have to deal with an elderly dad issue at his age.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Mar 28, 2021 15:10:17 GMT
A part of me feels like this is just a different battle in the Mommy Wars. Much of the concerns shared could be levied against lots of the choices of us here on this thread. I’ve heard some of the same things said about our choice to have an only - it’s selfish us, not fair to her, who will help raise her if we both die in a car crash, what about your family history of cancer and Alzheimer’s, etc. Similar concerns are raised about parents who are young, poor, have large families, live in extended families, and on and on. What is considered the ideal family situation? And ideal to whom? Now, I wouldn’t do it because I wouldn’t WANT to do it. That would leave me sucking at it for sure. I did what I wanted and would be successful at, as far as I knew when making the decision. I guess time will tell for me as well! You articulated this better than I could - sure I could judge this woman, I can judge a whole hell of a lot of women who have children for selfish reasons or no reason - if we want to go down that path, just who exactly is worthy?
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Post by Darcy Collins on Mar 28, 2021 15:11:41 GMT
Besides the fact that the parents will probably die while the child is still young, there is also the problem of dealing with aging parents to consider. My dad is 81 and can't walk very well- he already uses a cane and just bought a walker. I think a lot about what the next step in life for him is going to be and what I'm going to do. It is a lot for me and I'm 55. My nephew is 18- I wouldn't want him to have to deal with an elderly dad issue at his age. So disabled people shouldn't have children? I mean reread so many of these comments from the lens of someone who's in a wheelchair or otherwise disabled - apparently they shouldn't have children as they can't throw a ball with them or walk very well.
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Post by picotjo on Mar 28, 2021 15:14:47 GMT
When I was in my 50s I had to have a medical procedure done. My doctor suggested I take a pregnancy test first. I was almost done with menopause and my Dh was fixed so I really thought it was a waste of time. I went to my village pharmacy where the tests are behind the counter. Being so old I felt embarrassed skulking up to the counter. I took the test and for one brief moment I saw two lines! My life flashed before my eyes and my heart skipped a beat! Then, thankfully it showed I was not pregnant! I love my 4 kids dearly but having another at that age... shudder!
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Post by sasha on Mar 28, 2021 17:10:28 GMT
My husband died at 52. There are no guarantees in life. But my kid was 14 going on 15 when he died. It has had a terrible, prolonged impact with her with anxiety, depression to have suffered a loss that significant at a tender age. For that reason, my feelings on this are clouded. I don't want to judge, but I also feel that this is a bit self-centered. Hopefully the parents will live a nice long life, but it's more likely than not that their kid will deal with one or both their deaths at a much earlier point in life. I just hope that the kid is out of teen years when it happens. I was ten when my dad passed away. I totally get it. I was 44 with a one year old when my 84 year old mom passed away. I have five older siblings and one younger one. Want to guess who took care of our mom in the last 5-10 years of her life when she was suffering from Alzheimer’s? It sure as hell wasn’t any of the oldest ones. They couldn’t be bothered. It was mostly my younger brother and me with a little help from my next older brother and we were happy to do it. If it wasn’t for us last three there’s no telling what would have happened because none of the others did anything to step up. So sorry to hear about your dad. And it sounds like you've stepped up and helped your mom. Hugs!
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Post by sleepingbooty on Mar 28, 2021 17:25:23 GMT
I’ve heard some of the same things said about our choice to have an only - it’s selfish us, not fair to her, who will help raise her if we both die in a car crash, what about your family history of cancer and Alzheimer’s, etc. Similar concerns are raised about parents who are young, poor, have large families, live in extended families, and on and on. I understand that you're projecting onto this story because of the similarity of some issues raised but it seems like a very different situation to me. I'm an only, too, and it's in no way comparable to being born to a mother who's 57 and a father who's 64. The cumulative effects of the parents' age is something far more significant to consider than having an only child. I'm actually shocked people brought up car crashes or family medical history like some excuse for you to have more than one. It's not up to children to raise children. Life expectancy in the US right now means this child's father is unlikely to see the boy grow older than their teenage years, the mother maybe into the child's late 20s/early 30s. This is truly heartbreaking for the child and replacing both parents is a hard task to perform for anyone. The government can financially assist poor or extended families but it can't bring the love, attachment and years of togetherness this child will likely miss out on. I don't think many people in this thread taunted some ideal family setting tale as much as they saw the basic flaw in this plan: this will be a parentless child de facto much earlier in life and it will leave some serious scars on their psyche. Science can only stretch so far to lengthen the parents' lives. It's just sad to me. And I say this as someone who grow up an only child by a single parent. My family setting was far from society's ideals and I never minded that. But I do empathise with the impact premature parental loss will have on this child. There's no substitute for this primal attachment, alas.
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