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Post by librarylady on Apr 9, 2021 3:15:29 GMT
Seems the younger generation knows very little about the Holocaust.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Apr 9, 2021 3:32:29 GMT
Won't spell them right I am sure. Haven't looked yet.
Aushwitz, Dachu, Burkinwal(?), My memory is failing me.
Who knows we had a Prison of War Camp for German military on US soil? Bataan Death March... Let us not forget the Japanese Interment
Humans really are cruel, some more then others!
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Post by Eddie-n-Harley on Apr 9, 2021 3:33:08 GMT
At least three of them, yes.
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Post by 950nancy on Apr 9, 2021 3:40:50 GMT
My history book in fifth grade went from prehistoric man to Bill Clinton. It is no wonder that kids can't remember a lot when we just shove information down their throats. I maybe taught history for 30 minutes three to four times a week. I know that American history gets taught a couple of times in kids' education, but you never know what parts are covered in a book that is the largest book kids have. Some years I focused on the founding of the US, some years WWII and some years was more political. Now some history teachers are focusing more on 1950 to current events.
They all learned about the Japanese internment camps because several of my favorite historical picture books covered that topic. The Bracelet, Baseball Saved Us, and Passage to Freedom. There were also a lot of great books that made children think about how others were effected in WWII. My all time favorite book to start a discussion was The Faithful Elephants. You could hear a pin drop when that book was read. Rose Blanche was another one that made that war a little more personal.
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Post by Really Red on Apr 9, 2021 3:51:01 GMT
There were SO SO many. Obviously, a half dozen of the more infamous ones come to mind. I grew up in Bethesda, MD, where many Jewish people lived. I remember having people come in and show us their tattooed number on their arm. Our school - our elementary school! - showed us the real videos of what went on there. It made a huge mark on me. I was probably the only person who was annoyed at Schindler's List for glorifying the concentration camps.
I think it is a great idea that this campaign is starting. And how sad it is that it has to be.
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Post by mom on Apr 9, 2021 4:06:56 GMT
I can name 5.
Aushwitz, Dachu, Plazzow, Belzeck, Treblincka
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Apr 9, 2021 4:08:38 GMT
I’m a little surprised by this. Around here (and I worked in several school districts simultaneously) the Holocaust has been a dedicated unit taught in all middle schools for at least twenty years. It’s often interdisciplinary, e.g. History and English teachers team teaching, assigning Ann Frank or Elie Weisel and watching Schindler’s List together.
(And I don’t think it’s a regional curricular trend because I once made a regrettable mistake: visiting the Holocaust Museum in DC during spring break vacation. The place was crawling with school-sponsored middle school trip groups. Loud adolescents in a very quiet place.)
I’d be interested in seeing the questions the young adults got right. I’m not too bothered by them not knowing camp or ghetto names. There are more important lifelong concepts to retain from genocide study. But eleven percent thinking that Jews caused the Holocaust? Ugh.
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Post by chaosisapony on Apr 9, 2021 4:15:56 GMT
I can name three but I'm not sure on the spelling. Auschwitz, Berkinau, Dachu. My 9th grade history teacher spent months on the Holocaust, going so far as to wall paper his room in photos of the rescued prisoners and SS propaganda posters. It has stuck with me although I don't remember much about the little details we learned.
There are a lot of horrific atrocities that have happened all over the world in modern times (1900s+) that are not taught that people know nothing about. I tend to think they are overlooked because they didn't happen to white people.
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Post by rahnee on Apr 9, 2021 4:17:11 GMT
I'm in Australia but similar to others have posted, both my dd's learnt about the Holocaust at school. Many of books they read in English are related to the Holocaust. ie: Night, All the Light I cannot see etc. Then they have Holocaust week in Year 10 where they visit the Holocaust museum and other classes specifically on the subject. Its a very draining week but something I feel they should be aware of. From genealogy research we have discovered that a paternal great grandfather (who was Serbian) was in Dachau and that their grandfather was born in Germany (to German mother/Serbian father) in 1942.
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Post by rodeomom on Apr 9, 2021 4:21:36 GMT
When I was in the 6th grade we lived in Germany. Our class trip was to a concentration camp. I don't remember the name of the camp. But I do remember the feelings. One thing that struck with me was the black gass stains on the walls. Just one thing, out of many that I remember.
We also went to Hitler's Eagle's nest.
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Post by elaine on Apr 9, 2021 4:37:52 GMT
Adding on to what has been named so far: Buchenwald, Bergen-Belsen, Sachsenhausen, Mauthausen, Stutthoff, Ravensbrück
There are numerous others, including killing centers, like Chelmno, which weren’t technically concentration camps, because their sole purpose was to exterminate Jews, Romani, Homosexuals, etc., not to house them.
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Post by miominmio on Apr 9, 2021 4:57:15 GMT
Do you have any idea of how many there was? In my country alone, there was multiple (although I’m sure you have to be more than average interested to know more than Grini and Falstad). I would be disappointed if my children can’t name the following: Dachau, Treblinka, Auschwitz, Sobibor, Ravensbruck. Most 15 yo’s are travelling to Poland and Germany with the White Buses (it’s voluntary, but most go). My only objection with those trips, is that the focus is not on what happened here and that it gives the impression that «all Germans were bad, things like that couldn’t happen here» when they did. On a smaller scale, but the stories are no less horrific. And I’m sure you can find the same in every occupied country.
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Post by msliz on Apr 9, 2021 5:01:14 GMT
I'll add Terezin. When I was in college, I saw an art exhibition of drawings made by the children held there. It was a "model camp" used for propaganda purposes, and they allowed some of the children to be filmed doing normal things children do, like draw, before they were murdered. I Never Saw Another Butterfly link to Amazon
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Post by sassyangel on Apr 9, 2021 6:06:19 GMT
Yes, I could name at least 10 or so.
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Post by sassyangel on Apr 9, 2021 6:14:05 GMT
I’m a little surprised by this. Around here (and I worked in several school districts simultaneously) the Holocaust has been a dedicated unit taught in all middle schools for at least twenty years. It’s often interdisciplinary, e.g. History and English teachers team teaching, assigning Ann Frank or Elie Weisel and watching Schindler’s List together. (And I don’t think it’s a regional curricular trend because I once made a regrettable mistake: visiting the Holocaust Museum in DC during spring break vacation. The place was crawling with school-sponsored middle school trip groups. Loud adolescents in a very quiet place.) I’d be interested in seeing the questions the young adults got right. I’m not too bothered by them not knowing camp or ghetto names. There are more important lifelong concepts to retain from genocide study. But eleven percent thinking that Jews caused the Holocaust? Ugh. Agreed, not sure that simply knowing all the names are as important or definitive of understanding the overall Holocaust. Ack on the 11%, though. 😕 It seems that overall understanding by some may be lacking as well. We read Anne Frank in high school in Australia. I finished school before Schindler’s List, but we did the mini series War & Remembrance instead.
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Post by malibou on Apr 9, 2021 6:33:54 GMT
My fil liberated Bergen Belsen. He told us a lot of stories, and I have read a ton, so I know a lot of them. My 20 year old son does as well.
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Post by Chinagirl828 on Apr 9, 2021 8:13:28 GMT
I could name a few of them without prompting and recognised almost all of the others. I have visited Auschwitz Birkenau and read as many survival stories as I could find afterwards and I doubt I'll ever forget the experience of being there.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2021 8:28:03 GMT
Yes I could name quite a few of them. We cover it in history lessons at school here. DD1 visited Auschwitz on an educational history school trip a few years ago.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2021 8:31:45 GMT
Yes, and I have been to Dachau. I will never, ever forget what I saw! My girls learned very early on about them also because our military family, where I grew up, and because it's history.
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Post by koontz on Apr 9, 2021 9:00:21 GMT
When I was in the 6th grade we lived in Germany. Our class trip was to a concentration camp. I don't remember the name of the camp. But I do remember the feelings. One thing that struck with me was the black gass stains on the walls. Just one thing, out of many that I remember. We also went to Hitler's Eagle's nest. Here in the Netherlands, most schools also organise class trips to a concentration camp. I remember that we also went to an exhibition of art from Ravensbrück, which housed only women and children (not that they had it any easier). It's been many years but I remember the weird contradiction between the ugliness of life in the camp and the beauty some of these women created.
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Post by cade387 on Apr 9, 2021 10:14:13 GMT
I know the ones above and will add the one I have visisted - Natzweiler-Struthof.
I know my 4th grader hasn’t learned about WWI or WWII yet. I will have to ask the school how and when it is covered.
I remember watching Schindler’s List in high school. It absolutely wrecked me. Just thinking about it gives me goose bumps.
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Post by KiwiJo on Apr 9, 2021 11:08:06 GMT
When I was in the 6th grade we lived in Germany. Our class trip was to a concentration camp. I don't remember the name of the camp. But I do remember the feelings. One thing that struck with me was the black gass stains on the walls. Just one thing, out of many that I remember. We also went to Hitler's Eagle's nest. Here in the Netherlands, most schools also organise class trips to a concentration camp. I remember that we also went to an exhibition of art from Ravensbrück, which housed only women and children (not that they had it any easier). It's been many years but I remember the weird contradiction between the ugliness of life in the camp and the beauty some of these women created.
You’re in the Netherlands? One of the best museums I have ever been to was the Dutch Resistance Museum in Amsterdam. So very well done, and really portrayed the horrors of the wars. I don’t think I will ever forget the baby’s pram with a hollowed out section under the mattress where the Mum kept a pistol - just imagine things being so awful that you have to keep a loaded pistol under your tiny baby! And your post reminded me of another powerful exhibit we saw there - embroidery done by the women in camps. They had just a couple of needles which they shared, and they would carefully draw a thread from their garments to use as embroidery thread to depict scenes from the camp, their families’ names etc. It was just as you say - a weird contradiction of ugliness of the camps and the beauty the women created.
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Post by mollycoddle on Apr 9, 2021 11:32:02 GMT
Yes, but I probably can’t spell them. Treblinka, Auschwicz, Bergen-Belson, Dachau come to mind. There are many more.
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Post by pilcas on Apr 9, 2021 11:59:59 GMT
I am not surprised. And can I mention, as a former HS teacher, how little kids know about Sept 11.
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Post by Megan on Apr 9, 2021 12:01:05 GMT
Yesterday was Yom HaShoah. I know there are more but anyone in Michigan / close to Detroit should visit the Holocaust Memorial Center (https://www.holocaustcenter.org/) pre-Covid survivors would speak there.
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Post by peabay on Apr 9, 2021 12:25:52 GMT
Our middle school curriculum teaches the Holocaust and a Holocaust survivor comes and speaks to them. It's a shame that this isn't something every school child is taught.
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Post by pyccku on Apr 9, 2021 12:27:20 GMT
Yes, many of them. I've visited three of them and my children were with me for two of those visits.
I'm honestly surprised at how little some people are taught about the Holocaust. My friend - a HS history teacher - told me many times that the one topic the kids LOVED to learn about was the WW2/Nazi era. He always had a holocaust survivor come in to speak to them and they were hanging on to every word he said. We had the people behind the Holocaust violin restoration project come in and speak to a large group of students just a couple of years ago. As a French teacher, I teach my kids about the Vel d'Hiv round-up and how the Nazis treated those in occupied France. I also tell them about my travels to Europe and how many reminders there are of the history - the little markers commemorating those lost in the war, especially the schoolchildren. So in my Title 1 school, our students are VERY much exposed to this era.
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Post by cakediva on Apr 9, 2021 12:36:05 GMT
I can name one. Auschwitz (and I probably butchered the spelling).
I'm in my 50s, my grandfather served in WWII. I was taught about the Holocaust and all the evil that went on. I'm horrified by it all.
But does it make me a bad person that I can't name any more than one?
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Post by Zee on Apr 9, 2021 12:36:56 GMT
Young people don't need to be able to name concentration camps from 80+ years ago to prove they're intelligent, but they should know the concept and the history.
These types of quizzes seem to always be designed to let old people feel smug about how much smarter they are while simultaneously whining about the younger generation. Now go ask them for help buying bitcoin on your phone.
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Post by schizo319 on Apr 9, 2021 12:48:08 GMT
I can, but as someone who has grandfathers who fought on both sides of WWII, I have always been interested in reading about that time in history.
I don't think you need to be able to name all of the concentration camps to grasp the concept of what happened during the holocaust. Though I do think perhaps it points up some holes in America's history curriculum.
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