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Post by peppermintpatty on Apr 13, 2021 12:05:40 GMT
I don't really buy the theory that the "pandemic is pretty much over". It really is a lull if that is the case. Texas has routinely been a hotspot because they have such lax measures in place. In MD our numbers have never been terrible and that is because we have a mandatory mask mandate in the entire state and were one of the first states to lock down. We are still fairly locked down. I would turn tail and run if I saw a restaurant at full capacity or people not wearing masks. Vaccines are still in short supply here. My county is extremely populous (think LA county populous) and we have the most healthcare workers of any county in the US. It took a while to open it up to everyone.
I'm sorry but if anyone thinks this is over, they are kidding themselves. I really want it to be over but I'm am being a realist. Young adults and kids are going to be the reason why we will continue to have surges.
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Post by catmom on Apr 13, 2021 12:08:08 GMT
I’m in Ontario, Canada. We’re in a full third wave and have the worst numbers of the whole pandemic. We have over 6% positivity rate and our ICUs are full in the Toronto region with covid patients being sent to other hospitals. Doctors and nurses from other provinces are being requested to help. The issue is that Canada has the dubious honour of being host to all of the variants of concern. All of them. So vaccination has not kept up with the surge and it’s now out of control. Lots of young people in the hospitals and dying - these variants are no joke. Vaccines are being redeployed to vulnerable areas - neighbourhoods with high essential worker density and over-indexed in BIPOC and newcomers.
My town’s numbers are relatively reasonable but we’re in a red zone. As others have said, we’re in Stay at home orders with most things close.
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Post by Sharon on Apr 13, 2021 13:09:39 GMT
I'm in the same state as myshelly. Everything is open here but most places still require the mask. The mayor and county judge have a meltdown on every update. We can have very few cases and no deaths and they will act like the sky is falling. I can't wait to vote against them!
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Post by kristi521 on Apr 13, 2021 13:33:23 GMT
I'm embarrassed to be from Michigan right now. Everyone's "over it" and ready to get back to normal. Many restaurants are not adhering to restrictions. Parents are suing to end or prevent mandated testing of high school sports. Way way too many families ran off to FL for spring break. I really hate my town right now. I get it. Pandemic fatigue is a real thing but damn people. What part of MI are you in, if I can ask? I am in Metro Detroit, actually Macomb County, a hotbed of COVID cases. We don't eat in a restaurant much, but when we do, I haven't seen anyone not following the rules. I have even some restaurants voluntarily go to take out only to help slow the spread. MI is a big state, I am not sure being embarrassed by actions of others is necessary, though I recognize you can't control how you feel.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Apr 13, 2021 14:15:30 GMT
I think that many of us need to remember that just because things are open and people are acting fairly normally, doesn't mean that the pandemic is "pretty much over." If you look at numbers in the country and in many states, they are not really all that low. Lower than in the fall? Yes. But not down to almost nothing.
I'm in the same area as Careyayn. Restaurants and stores still have limited capacity but things are open. Sports happened over the winter with restrictions on number of spectators (I believe one or two per player). My kids start baseball games this week and all players and spectators need to wear masks and maintain 12 ft distance from players and 6ft from other families. We will see how that goes.
There are a lot of people here who have posted about getting vaccinated, and it has been somewhat difficult to get an appt to get one because it seems that the allotted appts are filled quickly each week.
Most people in my larger area wear masks in stores. But when I drive to rural areas for work, I usually have to stop at gas stations to go to the bathroom. It is much more common to see people not wearing masks or wearing them inappropriately in those towns. Kids do wear masks at school and there are other precautions taken at school as well.
Generally, I think that what people do on their own (getting together with friends, going to bars, etc) is more risky than things like going to stores masked.
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Post by myshelly on Apr 13, 2021 14:18:00 GMT
I don't really buy the theory that the "pandemic is pretty much over". It really is a lull if that is the case. Texas has routinely been a hotspot because they have such lax measures in place. In MD our numbers have never been terrible and that is because we have a mandatory mask mandate in the entire state and were one of the first states to lock down. We are still fairly locked down. I would turn tail and run if I saw a restaurant at full capacity or people not wearing masks. Vaccines are still in short supply here. My county is extremely populous (think LA county populous) and we have the most healthcare workers of any county in the US. It took a while to open it up to everyone. I'm sorry but if anyone thinks this is over, they are kidding themselves. I really want it to be over but I'm am being a realist. Young adults and kids are going to be the reason why we will continue to have surges. To me, the reason it feels like it’s over isn’t really related to case numbers, though. When our governor ended the last few restrictions more than a month ago, he made it clear that no matter what happens, there will never be more lockdowns, restrictions, or mask mandates in our state. We won’t go backwards.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2021 14:18:55 GMT
I'm embarrassed to be from Michigan right now. Everyone's "over it" and ready to get back to normal. Many restaurants are not adhering to restrictions. Parents are suing to end or prevent mandated testing of high school sports. Way way too many families ran off to FL for spring break. I really hate my town right now. I get it. Pandemic fatigue is a real thing but damn people. What part of MI are you in, if I can ask? I am in Metro Detroit, actually Macomb County, a hotbed of COVID cases. We don't eat in a restaurant much, but when we do, I haven't seen anyone not following the rules. I have even some restaurants voluntarily go to take out only to help slow the spread. MI is a big state, I am not sure being embarrassed by actions of others is necessary, though I recognize you can't control how you feel. SW corner. My area has a bunch of "my governor is an idiot" signs in their yards, several restaurants refuse to close and are letting parties of 8-10 sit together, and many people refusing to wear masks. We're in a rather red county and are currently looking to move to the county where dh works that is also fairly blue.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Apr 13, 2021 14:23:37 GMT
I don't really buy the theory that the "pandemic is pretty much over". It really is a lull if that is the case. Texas has routinely been a hotspot because they have such lax measures in place. In MD our numbers have never been terrible and that is because we have a mandatory mask mandate in the entire state and were one of the first states to lock down. We are still fairly locked down. I would turn tail and run if I saw a restaurant at full capacity or people not wearing masks. Vaccines are still in short supply here. My county is extremely populous (think LA county populous) and we have the most healthcare workers of any county in the US. It took a while to open it up to everyone. I'm sorry but if anyone thinks this is over, they are kidding themselves. I really want it to be over but I'm am being a realist. Young adults and kids are going to be the reason why we will continue to have surges. To me, the reason it feels like it’s over isn’t really related to case numbers, though. When our governor ended the last few restrictions more than a month ago, he made it clear that no matter what happens, there will never be more lockdowns, restrictions, or mask mandates in our state. We won’t go backwards. So, for you, the pandemic is only about the restrictions? No restrictions=no pandemic?
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Post by myshelly on Apr 13, 2021 14:27:06 GMT
To me, the reason it feels like it’s over isn’t really related to case numbers, though. When our governor ended the last few restrictions more than a month ago, he made it clear that no matter what happens, there will never be more lockdowns, restrictions, or mask mandates in our state. We won’t go backwards. So, for you, the pandemic is only about the restrictions? No restrictions=no pandemic? I feel like the restrictions have impacted my personal, daily life more than the pandemic and removing the restrictions is what makes me feel like things are back to normal. Now that the restrictions are gone I don’t worry about or even think about Covid on a frequent basis anymore. That’s why I started this thread - seeing someone else on lockdown when my general feeling is it’s over here.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2021 14:39:26 GMT
So, for you, the pandemic is only about the restrictions? No restrictions=no pandemic? I feel like the restrictions have impacted my personal, daily life more than the pandemic and removing the restrictions is what makes me feel like things are back to normal. Now that the restrictions are gone I don’t worry about or even think about Covid on a frequent basis anymore. That’s why I started this thread - seeing someone else on lockdown when my general feeling is it’s over here. It ain't over until we either have zero cases or very few. There is still wide spread cases. Just because you can go into a restaurant to eat or see a movie doesn't mean it is over
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2021 14:39:38 GMT
This is a world wide issue.
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Post by myshelly on Apr 13, 2021 14:42:03 GMT
I feel like the restrictions have impacted my personal, daily life more than the pandemic and removing the restrictions is what makes me feel like things are back to normal. Now that the restrictions are gone I don’t worry about or even think about Covid on a frequent basis anymore. That’s why I started this thread - seeing someone else on lockdown when my general feeling is it’s over here. It ain't over until we either have zero cases or very few. There is still wide spread cases. Just because you can go into a restaurant to eat or see a movie doesn't mean it is over While I can understand that on an intellectual level, there’s a huge disconnect between there are still cases in the world and my daily life. I don’t believe it’s realistic to get cases down to zero or very few. I believe Covid will be around forever and there will be cases of it every year.
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Post by gar on Apr 13, 2021 14:56:11 GMT
I was just reading about the Swiss Cheese model. Each preventative measure (masks, vaccines, social distancing, hand hygiene, ventilation etc) is one layer of the characteristically holey Swiss cheese that the virus wants to get through. None of the layers are 100% perfect/impenetrable so the more layers there are, the harder it is for the virus to get through. We'll need to use several layers for a long, long time in all probability. BBC
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Post by dewryce on Apr 13, 2021 14:56:40 GMT
What pandemic? DH was running errands in our small Texas town this weekend and he said that maybe 10% of the people were wearing masks, no social distancing, etc. And according to the most recent numbers I’ve seen we have about 30% of the number of cases we had at our peak.
But do I trust the numbers? No. For the time period when most of the residents at DH’s work were ill (and dying), those numbers were not reflected in our county numbers. Even if no one else in the entire county was sick the numbers reported were way too low for both the positive cases and the deaths.
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Post by myshelly on Apr 13, 2021 15:01:23 GMT
I was just reading about the Swiss Cheese model. Each preventative measure (masks, vaccines, social distancing, hand hygiene, ventilation etc) is one layer of the characteristically holey Swiss cheese that the virus wants to get through. None of the layers are 100% perfect/impenetrable so the more layers there are, the harder it is for the virus to get through. We'll need to use several layers for a long, long time in all probability. BBCThen how do you explain numbers continuing to decline in places that have done away with all restrictions?
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Post by pinklady on Apr 13, 2021 15:03:20 GMT
I feel like the restrictions have impacted my personal, daily life more than the pandemic and removing the restrictions is what makes me feel like things are back to normal. Now that the restrictions are gone I don’t worry about or even think about Covid on a frequent basis anymore. That’s why I started this thread - seeing someone else on lockdown when my general feeling is it’s over here. WOW, this is just deeply disturbing.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2021 15:03:54 GMT
I was just reading about the Swiss Cheese model. Each preventative measure (masks, vaccines, social distancing, hand hygiene, ventilation etc) is one layer of the characteristically holey Swiss cheese that the virus wants to get through. None of the layers are 100% perfect/impenetrable so the more layers there are, the harder it is for the virus to get through. We'll need to use several layers for a long, long time in all probability. BBCThen how do you explain numbers continuing to decline in places that have done away with all restrictions? Lack of testing Lack of reporting Not being truthful Being Texas and Florida.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2021 15:04:38 GMT
Oh oh oh annnndddd Democratic states faired WAY better because we kept out crap together.
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Post by myshelly on Apr 13, 2021 15:07:50 GMT
I feel like the restrictions have impacted my personal, daily life more than the pandemic and removing the restrictions is what makes me feel like things are back to normal. Now that the restrictions are gone I don’t worry about or even think about Covid on a frequent basis anymore. That’s why I started this thread - seeing someone else on lockdown when my general feeling is it’s over here. WOW, this is just deeply disturbing. Why? I can know things and believe that they are true (like I believe Covid is a real disease and many people have died from it) and also not feel like they have a huge impact on my daily life. I realize that I am lucky that Covid hasn’t affected me or anyone I know.
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Post by peajays on Apr 13, 2021 15:12:57 GMT
Another Ontario resident checking in. As others have said, we are in our second full shut down/stay at home order, case numbers continuing to rise, ICU's filling to capacity, Doctors and Nurses getting burned out. I read that hospitals are going to start having Student Nurses come in to relieve some of the duties of the RN's so they can focus on the more critical care activities.
On a somewhat brighter note, Our family doctor called just before I was leaving the house for work this morning, and she's booked my DH and I for our vaccines: DH goes Wed. and I go on Friday. We were on a wait list for a pharmacy vaccine, and wasn't expecting anything until June, so this news made me very happy today!
I hate to see Canada in such a state, We started off doing most of the right things, but unfortunately (IMHO) we had too many travel loopholes, and we allowed too many people to travel by plane, and this is where it got us....that and our inability to make our own vaccines, and relying on the world supply, and rolling it out inefficiently.
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Post by gar on Apr 13, 2021 15:23:15 GMT
I was just reading about the Swiss Cheese model. Each preventative measure (masks, vaccines, social distancing, hand hygiene, ventilation etc) is one layer of the characteristically holey Swiss cheese that the virus wants to get through. None of the layers are 100% perfect/impenetrable so the more layers there are, the harder it is for the virus to get through. We'll need to use several layers for a long, long time in all probability. BBCThen how do you explain numbers continuing to decline in places that have done away with all restrictions? Where are you meaning...within the USA? If so, I have no idea as I don't follow your numbers closely enough but you surely understand that this won't just disappear on it's own?
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Post by katlady on Apr 13, 2021 15:49:54 GMT
Numbers in Texas may be declining, but they are not low! The state still has higher numbers than many states in the US. Don’t be fooled by the word “declining”.
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Post by shutterbug2sue on Apr 13, 2021 16:56:25 GMT
What part of MI are you in, if I can ask? I am in Metro Detroit, actually Macomb County, a hotbed of COVID cases. We don't eat in a restaurant much, but when we do, I haven't seen anyone not following the rules. I have even some restaurants voluntarily go to take out only to help slow the spread. MI is a big state, I am not sure being embarrassed by actions of others is necessary, though I recognize you can't control how you feel. SW corner. My area has a bunch of "my governor is an idiot" signs in their yards, several restaurants refuse to close and are letting parties of 8-10 sit together, and many people refusing to wear masks. We're in a rather red county and are currently looking to move to the county where dh works that is also fairly blue. Hey neighbors! Michigan is a hot mess! We're also #1 in cases! Almost 10,000 new cases yesterday! Our hospitals are almost full and masking is mandated but seems optional whenever I'm out shopping. My one Kroger grocery store went to limited hours based on 32 staff being sick - the other store had no staff for deli or bakery and the managers were stocking shelves the last time I went. Our high school went virtual since 1/4 of the kids are in quarantine. March was full of rolling quarantines at the school like we've never had before - our school has been face to face since September. And now the governor decided to not require more restrictive mandates based on the numbers.
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Post by paigepea on Apr 13, 2021 21:56:26 GMT
I’m in Canada.
School has been open since sept. My kids go to dance classes 4x week and attend dance competitions that look different from regular dance competitions. We never fully closed down or were in lock down. We never had a stay at home order. All of our business are open. If you walked down the street you’d think everything was normal except for the masks.
50 person gathering limit outdoors for functions 10 person gathering limit for socializing outside only No socializing indoors Indoor dining closed after spring break for 3 weeks. No movies No large events like concerts, conventions, etc. 20% of our population is vaccinated.
One thing that wasn’t allowed last summer was sleep away camp and I’m really hoping 🤞🤞🤞🤞🤞🤞 it’s allowed this summer. We won’t know until June I think.
Our federal gov’t still advises against international travel. Anyone entering our country internationally has to quarantine in an approved hotel for 3 days. Upon receiving a negative test they can then move somewhere to finish the 14 mandatory quarantine.
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Post by kibblesandbits on Apr 13, 2021 22:05:59 GMT
Oh oh oh annnndddd Democratic states faired WAY better because we kept out crap together. How do you explain Michigan then?
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Post by pinklady on Apr 13, 2021 23:23:46 GMT
Oh oh oh annnndddd Democratic states faired WAY better because we kept out crap together. How do you explain Michigan then? The answer is easy to google. The governor is a democrat but state legislature is republican. They stripped the governor of her power to do anything and cases spiked.
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Post by maryannscraps on Apr 14, 2021 0:16:19 GMT
Oh oh oh annnndddd Democratic states faired WAY better because we kept out crap together. How do you explain Michigan then? And Massachusetts. Most of it can be explained by variants and population density. The towns with the highest population density are the ones experiencing the highest numbers of cases, hospitalizations, and deaths.
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Post by kibblesandbits on Apr 14, 2021 0:35:15 GMT
How do you explain Michigan then? And Massachusetts. Most of it can be explained by variants and population density. The towns with the highest population density are the ones experiencing the highest numbers of cases, hospitalizations, and deaths. yes. The east side of our state is being especially hard hit. My side of the state - not so much. Although spring break just ended, so guess we'll see . . .
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Post by myshelly on Apr 14, 2021 0:36:39 GMT
Oh oh oh annnndddd Democratic states faired WAY better because we kept out crap together. Is that true? Everything I’ve read shows Florida and California have had pretty much the same Covid results. So why lock down? I have yet to see any evidence that the states with strict lockdowns are doing better than the open states. Texas and Florida seem to be doing about the same if not better than California and New York 🤷🏻♀️
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Post by rickmer on Apr 14, 2021 0:43:35 GMT
their area of Canada is entering a new 4 week lockdown. i am here. although the rest of the province was not as tight as us so it's a bigger step back for them, we are pretty much used to it. kids had been back in school but march break was pushed back to this week. kids were off for an extra week of online learning before the break. they were saying they would be back after this week but sure enough, just announced back to full time online learning when they "return" next week indefinitely. only takeout dining, no patios or indoor dining, no hair cuts, no gyms, non-essential surgeries have been cancelled, no kids sports, most retail stores only available for curbside pickup except for places that sell groceries or drugstores. reduced numbers in those stores AND only allowed to sell "essential" items (candles and smelly plugs in plastic'ed off in the grocery store when i was there yesterday). our province is hovering around 4000 new cases each day for the last couple of days (population of 14.5m but cases are mainly centered around toronto and surrounding areas - where there is the highest population density). our cases are the highest they have been since the beginning of the pandemic - thanks for the new variants spreading like wildfire. we cannot even fathom that some are "pretty much back to normal". they are still only vaccinating 55 and up so far - and i believe are anticipating it will be a 4 month gap before 2nd dose. sigh.
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