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Post by darkchami on Nov 16, 2014 19:12:29 GMT
The thread about teacher burnout got me to wondering if any other area is beginning to see a shortage in teachers. This is the first time in 17 years that I have seen a shortage. We just filled a regular full-time teaching position. It is November! We finally filled it when we got 1 applicant. I will also add that I work in an award winning school with an excellent principal. Teachers aren't avoiding us.
Other schools within our district and the surrounding districts also have positions open. There simply aren't any teachers out there to fill them. Very few people want to go into teaching any more. Those that do enter the profession end up leaving because of the workload and stress. Some of my district's best teachers are talking about walking away from teaching.
On a side note.... I searched for the word "burnout." The first entry that popped up was, "Tired of teaching?"
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Post by SabrinaP on Nov 16, 2014 19:16:47 GMT
No shortage around here except for secondary foreign language, math, and science. Elementary teachers, especially lower elementary are a dime a dozen. At my elementary school, we only had two open positions this last year and has hundreds of applicants to choose from.
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Post by freecharlie on Nov 16, 2014 19:21:04 GMT
We don't have shorages because there is a local teaching college and the area is desirable. There are plenty of districks in colorado that do have shortages and people come from out of state to recruit.
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Post by darkchami on Nov 16, 2014 19:36:48 GMT
No shortage around here except for secondary foreign language, math, and science. Elementary teachers, especially lower elementary are a dime a dozen. At my elementary school, we only had two open positions this last year and has hundreds of applicants to choose from. That is how it started a few years ago for us. We had shortages in math, science, and special education. Now K-5 positions are sitting open for months.
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Post by jenn on Nov 16, 2014 19:51:08 GMT
Not yet in my district, but the lack of subs is so frustrating!
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Post by peajays on Nov 16, 2014 19:56:48 GMT
No shortage here, we have way too many! Students coming out of teachers college are waiting years just to get on the supply list because the teachers retiring are all allowed first dibs at that squeezing out opportunities for the graduating students.
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Post by Merge on Nov 16, 2014 20:03:55 GMT
We have an actual shortage of secondary math and science teachers, particularly in low income urban schools. I think we're starting to see a shortage of experienced, high quality teachers in a lot of areas, as good teachers are leaving the profession and being replaced by first year teachers, often from alternative cert programs or Teach for America.
I know my school, which is overall pretty desirable, has struggled to attract and retain good 4th and 5th grade teachers.
ETA: SPED teachers are always in short supply. Good ones are very difficult to find and keep.
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Post by katybee on Nov 16, 2014 20:17:22 GMT
No shortage around here except for secondary foreign language, math, and science. Elementary teachers, especially lower elementary are a dime a dozen. At my elementary school, we only had two open positions this last year and has hundreds of applicants to choose from. Warm-bodies are a dime a dozen. Doesn't necessarily mean they are good teachers. Out of the 5 new teachers (meaning just out of college) we have in K-2 right now, one is really good, works hard, and is willing to learn. The others are in it for the summers off or until they can find a husband. Or because they think it's "cute." They are more interested in their chevron bulletin board borders and cute packets they just bought off TPT than real teaching. Don't get me wrong...I am all for hiring new teachers. We all had to start somewhere. But I think quality is seriously lacking. BTW, there are many seasoned teachers who are just as bad--phoning it in until they can retire. So, technically, although there is no shortage here--GOOD teachers are in very high demand. (And it makes sense--the teachers that are willing to do the work and become so invested are the ones who burn out the fastest).
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Nov 16, 2014 20:17:26 GMT
Where you live Darkchami? I have not heard of anyone having a shortage. Last year when we were interviewing for our new school, we struggled a bit with math and EC but other than that we interviewed at least 10 people for every one we hired!!!
We did interview multiple for the math and EC spots we just wouldn't hire them.
The City of Houston was in NC last year advertising and recruiting teachers away because the pay here is so low and many teachers can make between 50 to 100% more by leaving the state.
It is a sad state of affairs.
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Post by Merge on Nov 16, 2014 20:22:54 GMT
The City of Houston was in NC last year advertising and recruiting teachers away because the pay here is so low and many teachers can make between 50 to 100% more by leaving the state. And then they work here for a couple of years, realize it's not worth it in this district, and go back home.
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Post by eebud on Nov 16, 2014 20:37:05 GMT
I don't know if there is a shortage in my district or not. I am an empty nester so don't have kids in school so I don't hear a lot of details. However, my area has been growing like crazy with lots of new schools. My school district hired something like 600 teachers to start this school year. I live in a desirable district for the kids. I think it is desirable for teachers too. The starting pay is not bad for this area. A new, just out of school teacher makes about $45k.
***ETA I have a friend who is a Science teacher in middle school teaching 7th & 8th graders. She always loves her kids but hates all of the other BS that goes along with teaching. She changed schools this past year due to administration in the school she had taught in for years but is finding that she doesn't like the new school any better. I know that she is looking into retiring at the end of the school year. She was planning to teach for about 5 more years but might hang it up early. She is in a nearby school district in a bordering county.
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Post by ~summer~ on Nov 16, 2014 20:58:01 GMT
No shortage here - the community funds part of their salaries bringing the average to over $80k so we can retain excellent teachers.
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Post by ellen on Nov 16, 2014 21:04:50 GMT
When I first started teaching, my school would get over 200 applicants for an elementary teaching job. Now we get about 25. We had one applicant for a special ed job. When we've had math teachers at our high school they pretty much cross their fingers hoping they can find someone. We're a rural area.
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Post by darkchami on Nov 16, 2014 21:46:38 GMT
I am in Washington state. We have seen an increase in the number of students like never before.
Perhaps the combination of increased need and an area with a variety of job opportunities has created a unique situation.
Don't even get me started on the shortage of substitutes. We were short subs every day last week. I went to the doctor the other morning. She told me that I was not going into work that day. I laughed. I told her there was no one available to teach my classes.
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Post by Tamhugh on Nov 16, 2014 21:53:43 GMT
My younger DS is going to school to be a teacher. He did more of his observation hours over his fall break at his old middle school and came home very discouraged. He said he had a great day and was excited about what they were teaching. At the end of both days, the teachers he was with discouraged him from going into teaching. They talked about how horrible it is to be a teacher now and how they would never recommend it to anyone. His advisor at college told him he should rethink it and pointed out how less and less people want to be teachers. Luckily, he has done a lot of research. He knows that there are states where there are more sthan here (NM seems to hire teachers on the spot at job fairs) and he is willing to move if he has to. He will be a certified teacher but is willing to go the Teach for America route or work in a charter school for experience. Hopefully, when he finishes up, there will be more positions available for him.
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Post by SabrinaM on Nov 16, 2014 21:59:03 GMT
The City of Houston was in NC last year advertising and recruiting teachers away because the pay here is so low and many teachers can make between 50 to 100% more by leaving the state. And then they work here for a couple of years, realize it's not worth it in this district, and go back home. We just left NC this past summer. Texas made a brilliant move last year going to NC during that timebecause of the political climate and teacher burnout within our district (Wake Cty). Teachers were beyond frustrated after the implementation of Common Core and lack of administration understanding and support. One of my teacher friends left in the middle of the school year to move into the private sector. She was DONE. 
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Post by Merge on Nov 16, 2014 22:14:28 GMT
You know, I think a lot of people feel like this is "not their problem" because they don't have kids or their kids are past school age - but when there are no good teachers left to teach children, what will become of our society? Homeschooling is not an option for most people. When all that's left in the public schools are the "warm bodies," how will our future workers be educated and become productive members of society?
I think it's not just common core (TEKS in my state), or relatively low pay, or budget issues, or class sizes, or administrative hassles, or discipline or parent problems, or long hours, or the contempt with which much of society views the public school teacher, or any one thing. It's all of these things reaching their worst levels at the same time in a kind of perfect storm.
Both of my girls have expressed an interest in teaching, particularly in the arts. I've told them to steer clear unless something major changes.
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Post by fiddlesticks on Nov 16, 2014 22:27:22 GMT
There is a shortage here in Oregon. The universities have less and less graduates every year.
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Post by maryland on Nov 16, 2014 22:34:26 GMT
Not in our area! Teachers often have to move out of state to get a teaching job.
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Post by lesleyanne on Nov 16, 2014 22:35:46 GMT
No shortage of regular teachers up to high school. We have a long term shortage of physics, chemistry, bilingual/immersion 2nd languages and congregated/segregated special education teachers.
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Post by jenn on Nov 16, 2014 22:47:28 GMT
No shortage around here except for secondary foreign language, math, and science. Elementary teachers, especially lower elementary are a dime a dozen. At my elementary school, we only had two open positions this last year and has hundreds of applicants to choose from. Warm-bodies are a dime a dozen. Doesn't necessarily mean they are good teachers. Out of the 5 new teachers (meaning just out of college) we have in K-2 right now, one is really good, works hard, and is willing to learn. The others are in it for the summers off or until they can find a husband. Or because they think it's "cute." They are more interested in their chevron bulletin board borders and cute packets they just bought off TPT than real teaching. Don't get me wrong...I am all for hiring new teachers. We all had to start somewhere. But I think quality is seriously lacking. BTW, there are many seasoned teachers who are just as bad--phoning it in until they can retire. So, technically, although there is no shortage here--GOOD teachers are in very high demand. (And it makes sense--the teachers that are willing to do the work and become so invested are the ones who burn out the fastest).
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Post by gmcwife1 on Nov 16, 2014 23:47:25 GMT
I can't imagine why anyone would want to go into teaching anymore Between the school/admin stuff, politics and parents there is no way I'd work in a school. I volunteer with kids in a youth program and have had to deal with parents enough. And if they treat the volunteers the way they do, I can only imagine how the treat their children's teachers and school staff 
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Post by donna on Nov 17, 2014 1:24:41 GMT
We have a shortage in SPED, Foreign Language and Chemistry/Physics. My school had 5 teachers certified to teach Chem/Physics a few years ago. We are now down to 2. Biology teachers are a dime a dozen and our district hires them thinking they "will do". Now, not only do I have to teach my own classes, I have to teach other teachers how to mix solutions and teach Chemistry topics.
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Post by TankTop on Nov 17, 2014 1:27:49 GMT
We do not have a shortage, but we have a retention issue.
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Post by hop2 on Nov 17, 2014 2:02:48 GMT
There is no shortage of teachers here
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Post by freebird on Nov 17, 2014 2:07:22 GMT
My town is always overflowing with teachers. Really. Our college has been a teacher college since day one (Used to be called NW MO State Teacher's College). Recruit at NWMSU, I'm sure there's many to be had here!
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Post by Scrapper100 on Nov 17, 2014 2:13:21 GMT
No shortage around here. A friends daughter graduated and it took years for her to find a full time position. Lots of teachers were laid off multiple years in a row due to budget cuts. I actually know several people that were looking for work around this time. No idea if it has gotten any better or not but I doubt it.
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Post by dualmaestra on Nov 17, 2014 2:28:23 GMT
No teacher shortage here (yet). Quite the contrary, the last 4-5 years there has been very little hiring in Southern California for elementary schools. Last year was the first year of hiring and they were only given temporary contracts.
Because of the lack of teaching jobs, there are not many students going into teaching lately. Down the line there may be a teacher shortage.
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Post by The Great Carpezio on Nov 17, 2014 2:37:05 GMT
Like others have said SPED, high school math, physics/chemistry; however, we had two full-time English positions open last year, and the pool was small. Maybe 15 applicants and only half were decent.
I live in a community with an teacher programs at two universities.
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Post by Merge on Nov 17, 2014 2:55:56 GMT
My town is always overflowing with teachers. Really. Our college has been a teacher college since day one (Used to be called NW MO State Teacher's College). Recruit at NWMSU, I'm sure there's many to be had here! Including one who landed in Texas.  There was such a glut of music ed graduates from there in the 90s, I was not able to find a music teaching job in that area when I graduated. I went to grad school instead.
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