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Post by monklady123 on May 11, 2021 11:02:46 GMT
My phone’s photo retrospective thing offered me this photo this morning. Two years ago when dd and I were there. This is dd ready for our visit into the Done of the Rock and Al Aqsa mosque. Non-Muslims are not usually allowed in these places but we had a connection through a Christian-Muslim peace group. It was the experience of a lifetime and I’m so happy that my dd (and me) got to be there. I’m thinking of all the wonderful people who we met on this trip who are trying to work for peace in the region. 😢 Some of the fighting and shooting on the news took place *right here* where dd is standing.
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Post by gramasue on May 11, 2021 11:29:30 GMT
I watched the news coverage on this last night. It makes me sad, too.
Nice picture of your DD - the architecture in the background is incredible!
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Post by elaine on May 11, 2021 13:13:32 GMT
A number of rockets were intercepted and shot down by Israel’s Iron Dome over my sister’s house in Beit Shemesh - 19 miles from Jerusalem. She said that it was terrifying. What is going on is awful.
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Post by mom on May 11, 2021 14:09:19 GMT
A number of rockets were intercepted and shot down by Israel’s Iron Dome over my sister’s house in Beit Shemesh - 19 miles from Jerusalem. She said that it was terrifying. What is going on is awful. I am so sorry. I hope she can stay safe.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2021 14:11:02 GMT
A number of rockets were intercepted and shot down by Israel’s Iron Dome over my sister’s house in Beit Shemesh - 19 miles from Jerusalem. She said that it was terrifying. What is going on is awful. That is absolutely terrifying. I hope she remains safe. Humans just suck sometimes.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on May 11, 2021 14:13:44 GMT
What started this?
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Post by valincal on May 11, 2021 17:31:33 GMT
Is this a taboo topic? I’d like to learn more about both sides.
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Post by MichyM on May 11, 2021 18:09:56 GMT
A number of rockets were intercepted and shot down by Israel’s Iron Dome over my sister’s house in Beit Shemesh - 19 miles from Jerusalem. She said that it was terrifying. What is going on is awful. That has got to be horribly alarming. I'm so sorry that she and her family are experiencing this. It is beyond comprehension that these types of attacks back and forth have been happening all throughout my lifetime with no signs of long-lasting cessation.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2021 18:27:10 GMT
The forced eviction of Palestinian families in West Bank has caused mass protests. With Ramadan ending, there have been A LOT of people praying at the Al Quds mosque. Tensions have been real high. They have tried to limit access to the mosque which these last few days of Ramadan are really important. Again...it's made for an explosive situation. Google "Sheikh Jarrah neighborhood" and you can read about what is going on. Definitely not saying that rockets should be fired. I DO NOT agree with that...BUT I understand their frustration. What else can they do? It's not Hamas that pays the price...it's the people themselves that get caught in the middle.
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Post by scrappinghappy on May 11, 2021 18:30:31 GMT
Is this a taboo topic? I’d like to learn more about both sides. Hamas fired rockets on Israel. Israel responded. The world condemns Israel for responding but if Mexico shot rockets into the US you can be damned sure we would respond too, no matter their reason for doing so. The Palestinians don't just want their own state. They want the annihilation of the Jewish State and won't be satisfied with anything less. The way I see it, is if America were in a similar situation with Mexico or Canada no one would blame us for occupying land we won in war. We might be pressured into giving it back and maybe we would or maybe we wouldn't. Israel is held to a different standard. I have seen Israel accused of Apartheid. I grew up under apartheid in South Africa. It IS NOTHING ALIKE. Israeli Arabs (+-20% of the population) have full representation in the Israeli government, have full access to social services, education and count as full citizens. In fact Israel is one of very few Middle Eastern countries where Arab women can vote. Many of them self identify as Palestinians.
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Post by scrappinghappy on May 11, 2021 18:31:45 GMT
A number of rockets were intercepted and shot down by Israel’s Iron Dome over my sister’s house in Beit Shemesh - 19 miles from Jerusalem. She said that it was terrifying. What is going on is awful. Ow scary!! I am getting photos from family in Ashkelon outside of Tel-Aviv, showing rocket damage to the apartment complex next to theirs. I am petrified for them.
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Post by myshelly on May 11, 2021 19:46:28 GMT
Is this a taboo topic? I’d like to learn more about both sides. Hamas fired rockets on Israel. Israel responded. The world condemns Israel for responding but if Mexico shot rockets into the US you can be damned sure we would respond too, no matter their reason for doing so. The Palestinians don't just want their own state. They want the annihilation of the Jewish State and won't be satisfied with anything less. The way I see it, is if America were in a similar situation with Mexico or Canada no one would blame us for occupying land we won in war. We might be pressured into giving it back and maybe we would or maybe we wouldn't. Israel is held to a different standard. I have seen Israel accused of Apartheid. I grew up under apartheid in South Africa. It IS NOTHING ALIKE. Israeli Arabs (+-20% of the population) have full representation in the Israeli government, have full access to social services, education and count as full citizens. In fact Israel is one of very few Middle Eastern countries where Arab women can vote. Many of them self identify as Palestinians. You’re missing a few steps in your description. Israel wants to forcefully evict Palestinians from their homes. Palestinians protested. Hundreds of Palestinians were injured and some were killed by Israeli forces because they were protesting. Then your scenario begins. Hamas didn’t just randomly fire on Israel.
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Post by heather on May 11, 2021 19:53:56 GMT
Hamas fired rockets on Israel. Israel responded. The world condemns Israel for responding but if Mexico shot rockets into the US you can be damned sure we would respond too, no matter their reason for doing so. The Palestinians don't just want their own state. They want the annihilation of the Jewish State and won't be satisfied with anything less. The way I see it, is if America were in a similar situation with Mexico or Canada no one would blame us for occupying land we won in war. We might be pressured into giving it back and maybe we would or maybe we wouldn't. Israel is held to a different standard. I have seen Israel accused of Apartheid. I grew up under apartheid in South Africa. It IS NOTHING ALIKE. Israeli Arabs (+-20% of the population) have full representation in the Israeli government, have full access to social services, education and count as full citizens. In fact Israel is one of very few Middle Eastern countries where Arab women can vote. Many of them self identify as Palestinians. You’re missing a few steps in your description. Israel wants to forcefully evict Palestinians from their homes. Palestinians protested. Hundreds of Palestinians were injured and some were killed by Israeli forces because they were protesting. Then your scenario begins. Hamas didn’t just randomly fire on Israel. Not to mention that when Palestinians were seeking medical aid, Israeli forces then attacked medical facilities.
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Post by CarolinaGirl71 on May 11, 2021 20:02:57 GMT
A number of rockets were intercepted and shot down by Israel’s Iron Dome over my sister’s house in Beit Shemesh - 19 miles from Jerusalem. She said that it was terrifying. What is going on is awful. Ow scary!! I am getting photos from family in Ashkelon outside of Tel-Aviv, showing rocket damage to the apartment complex next to theirs. I am petrified for them. I "liked" this post, but it's really not a like but a stand of solidarity with Israel and your family.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on May 11, 2021 20:25:10 GMT
elaine may your family stay safe!
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Post by scrappinghappy on May 11, 2021 21:15:46 GMT
Hamas fired rockets on Israel. Israel responded. The world condemns Israel for responding but if Mexico shot rockets into the US you can be damned sure we would respond too, no matter their reason for doing so. The Palestinians don't just want their own state. They want the annihilation of the Jewish State and won't be satisfied with anything less. The way I see it, is if America were in a similar situation with Mexico or Canada no one would blame us for occupying land we won in war. We might be pressured into giving it back and maybe we would or maybe we wouldn't. Israel is held to a different standard. I have seen Israel accused of Apartheid. I grew up under apartheid in South Africa. It IS NOTHING ALIKE. Israeli Arabs (+-20% of the population) have full representation in the Israeli government, have full access to social services, education and count as full citizens. In fact Israel is one of very few Middle Eastern countries where Arab women can vote. Many of them self identify as Palestinians. You’re missing a few steps in your description. Israel wants to forcefully evict Palestinians from their homes. Palestinians protested. Hundreds of Palestinians were injured and some were killed by Israeli forces because they were protesting. Then your scenario begins. Hamas didn’t just randomly fire on Israel. My apologies. You are correct in that Israel wants to forcefully evict 8 families from East Jerusalem. The Palestinians protested FORCEFULLY, hurling rocks at Israeli forces and then the violence escalated. We have, unfortunately, seen protests here escalate due to protestor actions as well.
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Post by myshelly on May 11, 2021 21:17:27 GMT
You’re missing a few steps in your description. Israel wants to forcefully evict Palestinians from their homes. Palestinians protested. Hundreds of Palestinians were injured and some were killed by Israeli forces because they were protesting. Then your scenario begins. Hamas didn’t just randomly fire on Israel. My apologies. You are correct in that Israel wants to forcefully evict 8 families from East Jerusalem. The Palestinians protested FORCEFULLY, hurling rocks at Israeli forces and then the violence escalated. We have, unfortunately, seen protests here escalate due to protestor actions as well. Sort of similar to how in the US one black man died and then people protested FORCEFULLY? That doesn’t mean the people who are forceful are wrong. It doesn’t mean the people in power should respond violently to the protests.
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Post by scrappinghappy on May 11, 2021 21:21:14 GMT
You’re missing a few steps in your description. Israel wants to forcefully evict Palestinians from their homes. Palestinians protested. Hundreds of Palestinians were injured and some were killed by Israeli forces because they were protesting. Then your scenario begins. Hamas didn’t just randomly fire on Israel. Not to mention that when Palestinians were seeking medical aid, Israeli forces then attacked medical facilities. Links please. Israel was guilty of this in 2014 but I have been unable to find links for the current situation. In addition Israel treat anyone seeking medical attention at any of the hospitals. Last year a top Palestinian official was treated for Covid at Hadassah Hospital.
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Post by monklady123 on May 11, 2021 21:52:14 GMT
The roots of this conflict go back so far that none of us can adequately type it here on this board. One day when you have a few free hours do some googling.
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Post by scrappinghappy on May 12, 2021 2:17:10 GMT
This is a screenshot from a video sent to me by family. It's the iron dome at work, not fireworks. This was what my cousin said: "This is what the sky looks like now in the center of Israel as Gaza continues to fire hundreds of rockets toward Israel. They have hit schools, hospitals, and killed and injured innocent civilians. Israel is retaliating by targeting Hamas and Islamic Jihad terror targets including tunnels, weapon sites, and terrorists. After coming home with my children, we had to rush into a bomb shelter to physically protect ourselves, yet we did so calmly to protect them emotionally. These are not the kinds of parenting problems we want to face. The loss of innocent life is tragic, the disruption is unimaginable and the longterm systemic damage on millions of civilians is unacceptable." The arcs coming from the left and right are rockets exploded by the iron dome.
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Post by bc2ca on May 12, 2021 2:31:18 GMT
How lucky you and your DD were able to visit the Dome of the Rock, monklady123. Hoping a peaceful solution can be found.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on May 12, 2021 5:02:45 GMT
The roots of this conflict go back so far that none of us can adequately type it here on this board. One day when you have a few free hours do some googling. I know some of the history. But was wondering what sparked this latest round of fighting. They talked briefly about this on The Daily podcast today and said that it started due to the evictions and protests. Haven’t seen anything specifically saying how many families.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2021 7:33:20 GMT
The roots of this conflict go back so far that none of us can adequately type it here on this board. One day when you have a few free hours do some googling. I know some of the history. But was wondering what sparked this latest round of fighting. They talked briefly about this on The Daily podcast today and said that it started due to the evictions and protests. Haven’t seen anything specifically saying how many families. It's been going on for months. A number of Palestinians have already lost their homes and now they're evicting more of them. There's more details of what is going on this this report and what it eventually means if the evictions will continue. The international community rejects the annexation of Jerusalem as illegal and treats East Jerusalem as Palestinian territory occupied by Israel. That's what all the alarm was about from the International community when Trump moved the US embassy there.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2021 11:43:15 GMT
This subject is SO VERY personal to me. DH is Palestinian, from Gaza as a matter of fact. His parents had to flee from their village in 1967 because of the war. They were rounding up teachers and putting them in jail. My FIL and MIL were able to get out and make it to Morocco. They have built and incredible life here from NOTHING because they had to flee with the clothes on their back. They left behind family and property...family that had lived on that land for well over 200 years! My FIL has had property bulldozed so that the IDF can create a "safety zone". He was never compensated for the land he lost. This has happened over and over again where land has been taken and the people squeezed into tighter living situations. They have lost several family members over the years shot by the IDF. My SIL still lives in Gaza. We worry about her all the time. The last big incursion of Israel into Gaza was a living nightmare for our family. We would get messages from SIL when she was able to get communications out. There were several nights that her and her children would hide in basements, along with many other people in the neighborhood, hiding from tanks and bombs from planes. We really thought we might lose her. Her adult daughter has had a nervous condition for a long time where she pulls out her hair. She started doing that every time she would hear the jets fly over their house...which would happen on a weekly basis. In order for her to travel ANYWHERE, she must have travel documents approved by Israel. She has to travel hours to the West Bank, stand in long lines. This is IF the borders are even open! Can you even imagine living in a place where you are not allowed to leave of our own will? Let's just say for argument's sake that the door is opened to evict people from their homes because of a "biblical right"...how is that any different than telling American Indians they have the right to take their land back too? I am 100% AGAINST the rockets and the suicide bombings. I HATE for their to be ANY casualties on EITHER SIDE. BUT...the people are at a breaking point. Do you know that the electricity is often shut off by the Israelis. The water is too! Gaza is 100% in an occupied state. I don't know what the answer is. But what I do know, is that neither side can figure it out on their own. I WISH with all my heart that some neutral party/country could come in that has NO STAKE in the game and help make an equitable solution. The Palestinians will never get all their land back and the Israelis will never get all the land they want. I think the One State Solution is the only hope...BUT the road to that is far. Their would have to be a government that gives equal representation of the people. Don't look to America as a guide because you see the kind of shit that is happening now. This is a very emotional topic for me and my family.
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Post by monklady123 on May 12, 2021 12:22:19 GMT
This subject is SO VERY personal to me. DH is Palestinian, from Gaza as a matter of fact. His parents had to flee from their village in 1967 because of the war. They were rounding up teachers and putting them in jail. My FIL and MIL were able to get out and make it to Morocco. They have built and incredible life here from NOTHING because they had to flee with the clothes on their back. They left behind family and property...family that had lived on that land for well over 200 years! My FIL has had property bulldozed so that the IDF can create a "safety zone". He was never compensated for the land he lost. This has happened over and over again where land has been taken and the people squeezed into tighter living situations. They have lost several family members over the years shot by the IDF. My SIL still lives in Gaza. We worry about her all the time. The last big incursion of Israel into Gaza was a living nightmare for our family. We would get messages from SIL when she was able to get communications out. There were several nights that her and her children would hide in basements, along with many other people in the neighborhood, hiding from tanks and bombs from planes. We really thought we might lose her. Her adult daughter has had a nervous condition for a long time where she pulls out her hair. She started doing that every time she would hear the jets fly over their house...which would happen on a weekly basis. In order for her to travel ANYWHERE, she must have travel documents approved by Israel. She has to travel hours to the West Bank, stand in long lines. This is IF the borders are even open! Can you even imagine living in a place where you are not allowed to leave of our own will? Let's just say for argument's sake that the door is opened to evict people from their homes because of a "biblical right"...how is that any different than telling American Indians they have the right to take their land back too? I am 100% AGAINST the rockets and the suicide bombings. I HATE for their to be ANY casualties on EITHER SIDE. BUT...the people are at a breaking point. Do you know that the electricity is often shut off by the Israelis. The water is too! Gaza is 100% in an occupied state. I don't know what the answer is. But what I do know, is that neither side can figure it out on their own. I WISH with all my heart that some neutral party/country could come in that has NO STAKE in the game and help make an equitable solution. The Palestinians will never get all their land back and the Israelis will never get all the land they want. I think the One State Solution is the only hope...BUT the road to that is far. Their would have to be a government that gives equal representation of the people. Don't look to America as a guide because you see the kind of shit that is happening now. This is a very emotional topic for me and my family. During the trip that dd and I took to Israel we spent several days in and around Bethlehem and the Aida refugee camp. One of our hosts told us how he had recently had to travel by plane, and how he had to go to Jordan to do so because the Palestinians were not allowed to leave that area to go to Ben Gurion. Such a long trip compared to mere hours to get to Ben Gurion if they'd been allowed through the gate. Earlier in the trip we went to Ibillin and met with people there, including Abuna Elias Chacour. In an amazing coincidence dd had been assigned one of his books back in a high school class. She said at the time she read it with interest but no real connection... she said "oh this is sad what's happened..." But then here we were sitting in the same room with Chacour hearing the stories from his mouth. We both learned a lot, obviously. Our regular guide for this trip was an Israeli Jew, our bus driver was an Israeli Muslim Arab, and our driver for the other side of the wall was a Palestinian Christian since of course Israel would not let our guide go into Palestinian territory. Such an amazing and sad and mixed up history. I agree that the One State proposal is the only thing that could work, but wow it's a long time away. As you said, if there could only be a neutral party who could mediate the whole thing.
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Post by scrappinghappy on May 13, 2021 3:53:55 GMT
FTR, I oppose the eviction of the families from East Jerusalem allipeas , I think the one state proposal would be an incredible thing if it works but Hamas, and a lot of the Palestinians, are not interested in a one state proposal, they want a NO-JEW state. Just look at the Hamas emblem for proof. I personally would love for there to be peace in the region. My niece was stabbed and killed by a terrorist while waiting for a bus home. The terrorist was caught. He infiltrated Israel through tunnels. There are two sides to every story, history usually tells the story from the point of view of the victor, but there is the other side too. I think from most points of view Israel won the 1967 Arab-Israeli war but there is much controversy over who started it and why. Israel seized the Gaza Strip and the Sinai Peninsula from Egypt, the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, from Jordan and the Golan Heights from Syria. The result of both the 1947/48 war that created the state of Israel ans well as the 1967 war was that many Jewish minority groups in Arab countries were killed or forced to leave and all survivors were taken in by Israel. Google Operation Magic Carpet for one story that occured even before the 1967 war. On the flip side, neither, Jordan, Syria, Egypt OR Lebanon was willing to take in the Palestinians, almost 400,000 of them, who were displaced. If they were living in those countries before the war, why could they not move somewhere else in those countries. Not that this makes what Israel did right, but it is a question I have that I would love to know the answer to. We can't always blame one country when there is more to the story that involves bad decisions from other countries too. Bill Clinton did a lot for Middle Eastern peace even beyond his presidency. But both sides have to WANT peace for there to be a chance at success.
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Post by monklady123 on May 13, 2021 9:01:19 GMT
FTR, I oppose the eviction of the families from East Jerusalem allipeas , I think the one state proposal would be an incredible thing if it works but Hamas, and a lot of the Palestinians, are not interested in a one state proposal, they want a NO-JEW state. Just look at the Hamas emblem for proof. I personally would love for there to be peace in the region. My niece was stabbed and killed by a terrorist while waiting for a bus home. The terrorist was caught. He infiltrated Israel through tunnels. There are two sides to every story, history usually tells the story from the point of view of the victor, but there is the other side too. I think from most points of view Israel won the 1967 Arab-Israeli war but there is much controversy over who started it and why. Israel seized the Gaza Strip and the Sinai Peninsula from Egypt, the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, from Jordan and the Golan Heights from Syria. The result of both the 1947/48 war that created the state of Israel ans well as the 1967 war was that many Jewish minority groups in Arab countries were killed or forced to leave and all survivors were taken in by Israel. Google Operation Magic Carpet for one story that occured even before the 1967 war. On the flip side, neither, Jordan, Syria, Egypt OR Lebanon was willing to take in the Palestinians, almost 400,000 of them, who were displaced. If they were living in those countries before the war, why could they not move somewhere else in those countries. Not that this makes what Israel did right, but it is a question I have that I would love to know the answer to. We can't always blame one country when there is more to the story that involves bad decisions from other countries too. Bill Clinton did a lot for Middle Eastern peace even beyond his presidency. But both sides have to WANT peace for there to be a chance at success. I thought that Jordan had allowed the Palestinians from their land to take full citizenship? I'll have to look that up because I've forgotten. I think the reason that other countries don't want them because it would change the balance of power among the different religious groups. So many Palestinians are Christian and the Muslim states don't want them. So complicated.
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Post by sleepingbooty on May 13, 2021 10:35:59 GMT
Modern-day, internationally supported colonialism. Yah, whoda thunk eating up 80% of a people's land over 70-ish years wouldn't lead to this devastating situation? There's no way out of this. It's gone on for too long and the political situation in Israel does not allow for any positive change at the present moment nor in the near future considering the tensions and fragile power distribution. Netanyahu's got a lot of blame to carry in this.
I feel terrible for all the lives lost. 17 children in Gaza, 1 in Israel. This week alone. Happy end of Ramadan! /s
The colonist-colonised 1/10 kill ratio is holding up in this conflict. It was there back in the 1970s, it's still there today. The situation is not moving forward. It's only the state of Israel that is moving forward geographically. The cost, however, is incredibly high. And a good portion of the Israeli people themselves do not want this colonisation to progress any further.
The irony of a significant fringe of the ultra-orthodox community that are now slipping into political power positions in Israel not wanting Israel to exist as an actual state (because of religious reasons) is really the cherry on top of the shit cake. I don't see how the current political majority in place has a way out of *all* of this.
Anyhoo, Trevor Noah dared to touch on the subject this week (the death count has since increased significantly):
ETA: I kind of wish the title of this thread reflected the conflict better. This isn't just Israel. This is Palestine, too.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on May 13, 2021 12:30:20 GMT
FTR, I oppose the eviction of the families from East Jerusalem allipeas , I think the one state proposal would be an incredible thing if it works but Hamas, and a lot of the Palestinians, are not interested in a one state proposal, they want a NO-JEW state. Just look at the Hamas emblem for proof. I personally would love for there to be peace in the region. My niece was stabbed and killed by a terrorist while waiting for a bus home. The terrorist was caught. He infiltrated Israel through tunnels. There are two sides to every story, history usually tells the story from the point of view of the victor, but there is the other side too. I think from most points of view Israel won the 1967 Arab-Israeli war but there is much controversy over who started it and why. Israel seized the Gaza Strip and the Sinai Peninsula from Egypt, the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, from Jordan and the Golan Heights from Syria. The result of both the 1947/48 war that created the state of Israel ans well as the 1967 war was that many Jewish minority groups in Arab countries were killed or forced to leave and all survivors were taken in by Israel. Google Operation Magic Carpet for one story that occured even before the 1967 war. On the flip side, neither, Jordan, Syria, Egypt OR Lebanon was willing to take in the Palestinians, almost 400,000 of them, who were displaced. If they were living in those countries before the war, why could they not move somewhere else in those countries. Not that this makes what Israel did right, but it is a question I have that I would love to know the answer to. We can't always blame one country when there is more to the story that involves bad decisions from other countries too. Bill Clinton did a lot for Middle Eastern peace even beyond his presidency. But both sides have to WANT peace for there to be a chance at success. It doesn’t really seem like Israel wants non-Jews there, either. Just look at their actions to see that.
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Post by sleepingbooty on May 13, 2021 12:39:40 GMT
On the topic of apartheid, the Wikipedia article on Israel and the apartheid analogy is a very interesting read. It's long but you can pick the subjects you're interested if you wish to focus on them specifically. Treatment of Arabs and Palestinians is most definitely nowhere close to equal. We need to move beyond the taboo and look at the situation for what it is. There are significant human rights violations happening, period. And there are Isreali people decrying this as well.
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