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Post by jeremysgirl on May 11, 2021 11:15:03 GMT
I keep seeing article after article about places hiring and how they need to cut the federal unemployment benefit and get people back to work. I see in my community that there are hiring signs all over the place. Yet my DD can't get a job.
She started working at a local sandwich shop when she was 16. She worked there for 3 years. She started at the trade school right after graduation and has been studying to be an electrician. She got her apprentice card and began working as an apprentice when she was 19. She worked for a company for a year and quit because of sexual harassment. The sandwich shop hired her back as the night manager. She was working in excess of 40 hours a week. She worked there for a year and her store manager left. The owners son took over the store and he fired her and has brought his girlfriend in to take her place as the night manager.
She hung onto school during the pandemic and now has her commercial electrical certification from the trade school she was attending. Her unemployment benefits are going to end in July and she has been trying desperately to find a job. The union has rejected her. So for now, that's a no go.
She has applied at every fast food restaurant she can think of and keeps getting told she's overqualified and will leave soon for an electrical job. She finally found one lead this week for an electrical apprentice (keep your fingers crossed) but fast food won't take her at all despite 4 years of experience and 1 year in management. She just had an interview for a job washing dishes at the county medical care facility. They are paying $15 per hour. She was very excited about this job. And they turned her down. HR told her she was overqualified.
So I am just sitting here scratching my head. Her state unemployment benefit is $182 per week. And with the federal $300 she was almost making what she was managing the restaurant. But it's ending in July and she can't find anyone to hire her.
I'm just so frustrated for her. All these people keep saying to cut benefits. But no one is looking at the reality of the situation. I feel like based on the hiring signs I'm seeing these are minimum wage, maybe even part time jobs. And they won't even take a chance on a 21 year old like mine.
Is anyone else's child having trouble like this? She's paranoid about losing her benefits. And she's angry because she's such a hard worker. And she got her certificate. She did everything right and now she can't get anyone to hire her.
And I'll tell you what. They say over and over again that no kids are going into the trades. And that the average age of a plumber is 56, yada, yada, yada. But the unions won't hire kids. They won't even give them a chance. Despite having an education and at the very least she's got a year's worth of experience.
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Post by hop2 on May 11, 2021 11:32:04 GMT
Story of my life when I tried working part time when I had kids. Ditto when I tried going back to work.
IMO it’s tougher for females because we are still seen by many as not ‘needing’ to work so hiring managers just jump at anything - too old, too qualified, etc. if your young you get “well train you & you'll have a child & leave attitude”. If your older you get turned down for “we’ll train you & you'll retire”. ( I can’t retire any time soon people, probably never )
Also, as I said in another thread, the unemployment thing is bogus. If your not paying enough to beat unemployment, your not paying enough. Maybe in the cheapest states to live in that is an incentive to stay home, but it isn’t where I live. What keeps people home here? The everchanging school schedules and inflexible companies. If anyone has watched Shimelle’s lives during this you’ll get the idea one week her son is in school the next week he’s out for ‘quarantine’ etc. there’s very few jobs that offer the flexibility of not knowing if your child is in school next week or is home needing some supervision. This is a very unique situation, and I have 2 kids both looking for jobs and I have not found them to be out there waiting for someone to fill them like the stories try to make it seem. BS hiring managers are being pickier than ever. If they truly couldn’t get anyone to work mine would have had a job offer already. Multiple job offers. But she too is hearing the ‘too qualified’ chorus
I hope your DD finds a job soon. 🤞🏻🤞🏻
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Post by teddyw on May 11, 2021 11:33:09 GMT
Maybe she can apply at a seasonal place like a golf course? That way she can still keep applying for electrical work.
I didn’t realize that the union hires you in some places. I was under the impression that you joined it.
I hope she finds something soon. This is stressful.
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Post by oliquig on May 11, 2021 11:42:01 GMT
Has she tried contacting the school she went to? Perhaps they have a placement center that can help her.
I'm not saying no-one is not working just to not work, but the majority are people like your daughter or people who have child care issues.
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Post by rickmer on May 11, 2021 11:49:04 GMT
i feel for your daughter. i have struggled with the same issues.
i have a background in HR and recruitment. and if i am honest, i did exactly what you are saying in regards to feeling someone is overqualified and just going to leave. and i wouldn't blame them for taking the better opportunity!! when i hired someone super keen but could certainly get a job at a higher responsibility level and payscale, i was taking a risk that i was going to have to replace them and have a frustrated end user/dept manager. so i admit i was leery to do it.
now i am on the other end, and when i was applying for real estate administrative job, people kept looking at my resume and assuming i was settling for that and would go back to HR at any opportunity. so i have different resumes - my real estate admin resume has been tweaked and removed that i was a supervisor of a group of 5 recruiters and 2 admin staff. i just highlighted the admin tasks of my HR job. i get waaayy more hits on that.
if your daughter can't get thru with her electrician stuff, take off her certificates, tweak her experience and use that resume to apply for fast food jobs. sometimes you just gotta play the game.
i admire your daughter and hope she can get her foot in the door in her chosen field! fingers crossed for her - good luck!
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Post by jeremysgirl on May 11, 2021 11:51:20 GMT
Also, as I said in another thread, the unemployment thing is bogus. If your not paying enough to beat unemployment, your not paying enough. Maybe in the cheapest states to live in that is an incentive to stay home, but it isn’t where I live. What keeps people home here? The everchanging school schedules and inflexible companies. I agree. I'm also concerned about the quality of the jobs out there. They just don't seem to be anything worth applying for. If they truly couldn’t get anyone to work mine would have had a job offer already. Multiple job offers. But she too is hearing the ‘too qualified’ chorus I agree with this too. If fast food doesn't want a kid with 4 years of experience, then who do they want? I didn’t realize that the union hires you in some places. I was under the impression that you joined it. It doesn't work like that here. It's very hard to get in the union. Most have to start as an apprentice and get a bunch of experience before they will bring you in. Has she tried contacting the school she went to? Perhaps they have a placement center that can help her. Yes, she has. And that's how she got the one lead this week.
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Post by jeremysgirl on May 11, 2021 12:02:08 GMT
if your daughter can't get thru with her electrician stuff, take off her certificates, tweak her experience and use that resume to apply for fast food jobs. sometimes you just gotta play the game. Thank you for that tip. I will talk to her today and we will rewrite her resume for fast food jobs.
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Post by peabay on May 11, 2021 12:20:35 GMT
How frustrating for her!
But coming from the other side? Where we're trying to hire someone for a receptionist position? We don't want to train someone and get them on the schedule and then have them leave (literally just happened to us yesterday). So, I would second taking the electrician stuff off her resume, but to also think about committing to whatever job she does get for a good while - it's so exasperating to hire someone and have them leave 2 or 3 months later.
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Post by pridemom on May 11, 2021 12:45:53 GMT
I encourage her to go to your area Jobs Center. They might be able to get her into a placement to use her training.
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Post by jeremysgirl on May 11, 2021 12:46:33 GMT
It's so weird to me that a lot of people say these jobs weren't meant to provide a living wage. They should be used as a stepping stone to something better, yet we get upset when young kids do exactly that? They pay minimum wage and we are supposed to feel bad about businesses not being able to retain employees? Truth, my daughter loves working in food service. And she's got the right personality for management. If food service could afford to pay her a livable wage, she'd probably stick with it. It's just so weird to me that businesses are crying they can't hire and when they do have a good candidate, they turn them down instead of paying a wage that incentivizes people to stay.
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Post by CeeScraps on May 11, 2021 12:53:09 GMT
I don't understand how to tag people on this form. Jeremysgirl where is your daughter located? Maybe someone here can help.
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Post by jeremysgirl on May 11, 2021 12:54:59 GMT
How frustrating for her! But coming from the other side? Where we're trying to hire someone for a receptionist position? We don't want to train someone and get them on the schedule and then have them leave (literally just happened to us yesterday). So, I would second taking the electrician stuff off her resume, but to also think about committing to whatever job she does get for a good while - it's so exasperating to hire someone and have them leave 2 or 3 months later. Just a sincere question. Is this the advice you'd give to your kid? Say you have a recent college graduate who needs a job. They take a low skill, low pay job. Would you encourage your child to stay there for at least a year instead of looking for a job that is in their field of education?
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Post by jeremysgirl on May 11, 2021 12:57:19 GMT
I don't understand how to tag people on this form. Jeremysgirl where is your daughter located? Maybe someone here can help. I'm in mid-michigan.
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Post by leannec on May 11, 2021 13:00:53 GMT
We have a problem here where all jobs that dd#2, age 18, are not an option ... Restaurants are all takeout only due to Covid and she had planned to apply for hostessing and serving jobs this summer ... no go She has no work experience and isn't likely to get any She is also competing against university students with experience for the few jobs out there
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Post by peabay on May 11, 2021 13:10:40 GMT
How frustrating for her! But coming from the other side? Where we're trying to hire someone for a receptionist position? We don't want to train someone and get them on the schedule and then have them leave (literally just happened to us yesterday). So, I would second taking the electrician stuff off her resume, but to also think about committing to whatever job she does get for a good while - it's so exasperating to hire someone and have them leave 2 or 3 months later. Just a sincere question. Is this the advice you'd give to your kid? Say you have a recent college graduate who needs a job. They take a low skill, low pay job. Would you encourage your child to stay there for at least a year instead of looking for a job that is in their field of education? I'm in this situation right now and that is the advice I gave my child - don't take a job you don't plan on staying with for a little while. I don't mean years - but to interview and take a job not in good faith? I think it's wrong. My daughter is desperately trying to earn enough to get back into NYC - she's 23 and has been home with us since last March 12th (trust me, we're all counting the days.) It's been ROUGH. Covid upended her whole life (along with billions of other people) and she's frustrated. She took a job working at Michael's and has pushed back her plans to move back to NYC for a few months. My boss is a small business owner who barely hung on during the closures (day spa.) To hire someone, take time off from her working hours to train them and then have them turn around and quit is really a hardship for her. It may not be as much for McDonald's or Burger King or wherever, but it is for her. And it's made me very sensitive to this issue. Again, I'm really sorry your daughter is having such a hard time finding a job. I'm sure it's really frustrating to have a trade that she can't work in and I hope she finds something as an electrician soon.
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Post by jeremysgirl on May 11, 2021 13:13:40 GMT
I'm in this situation right now and that is the advice I gave my child - don't take a job you don't plan on staying with for a little while. Thank you for being honest. I respect that you would choose the same advice for your child as you would give to others. I sympathize with the hiring problem. I just wish that my daughter could make a decent living in food service. She is high energy and very positive. She is organized and efficient. Her restaurant ran without problem during the entire pandemic. If they could pay her enough to make a decent living, she would absolutely stay with it.
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Post by peabay on May 11, 2021 13:19:21 GMT
I'm in this situation right now and that is the advice I gave my child - don't take a job you don't plan on staying with for a little while. Thank you for being honest. I respect that you would choose the same advice for your child as you would give to others. I sympathize with the hiring problem. I just wish that my daughter could make a decent living in food service. She is high energy and very positive. She is organized and efficient. Her restaurant ran without problem during the entire pandemic. If they could pay her enough to make a decent living, she would absolutely stay with it. You are most definitely preaching to the choir about a decent wage.
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Post by Merge on May 11, 2021 13:19:23 GMT
I'm in this situation right now and that is the advice I gave my child - don't take a job you don't plan on staying with for a little while. Thank you for being honest. I respect that you would choose the same advice for your child as you would give to others. I sympathize with the hiring problem. I just wish that my daughter could make a decent living in food service. She is high energy and very positive. She is organized and efficient. Her restaurant ran without problem during the entire pandemic. If they could pay her enough to make a decent living, she would absolutely stay with it. I agree with taking the electrician stuff off her resume. Go into a food service job and try to get in some hours as an electrician on her off days. She’ll stay with good service long enough to be worth their training her, but still working toward her ultimate goal. My 18 year old can’t find anyone to hire her with no work experience. Even fast food overlooks her. Idk what the solution is. There are hiring signs everywhere but they really want full grown adults with job experience - they type who are going to stay in fast food or similar jobs. No around here seems willing to hire a teen.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2021 13:29:05 GMT
don't take a job you don't plan on staying with for a little while. I don't mean years - but to interview and take a job not in good faith? It's funny that we expect the wage-workers to commit to a job and act in good faith. But employers can fire "at will" any old time their profit margin demands it or automation allows it. In the "olden times" people were more loyal to the employers and vice versa. My mom worked for a "mom and pop" for something like 20 years. In that time she lost several family members. He always gave my mom as much time as she needed - he hobbled along w/o her because he valued her and she valued him. The loyalty and trust was real.
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Post by jeremysgirl on May 11, 2021 13:31:55 GMT
But employers can fire "at will" This has left a bad taste in my daughter's mouth too. She was fired for no reason. She worked for them for 4 years. She did a damn good job. Never a single bad review or any disciplinary action. And they just let her go.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2021 13:34:11 GMT
But employers can fire "at will" This has left a bad taste in my daughter's mouth too. She was fired for no reason. She worked for them for 4 years. She did a damn good job. Never a single bad review or any disciplinary action. And they just let her go. Yep. Yet we want employees to bend to the needs of the employers by not leaving after being trained. Sorry. By their actions, American employers have "trained" employees to look out after number 1 - Just as the employers do.
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Post by guzismom on May 11, 2021 13:37:51 GMT
Yes, my daughter and a handful of recent college grads I know are struggling to find work. Mine does not collect unemployment; she lives with us and I am thankful we can afford that. But she is beyond frustrated. She is considering a return to school since having a big gap between school and work is a big no-no for future employment.
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Post by PolarGreen12 on May 11, 2021 13:37:51 GMT
Ugh jeremysgirl I know how frustrating that has to be for you and your DD. I was stuck in that same rut after grad school. Has she looked at the home improvement and hardware stores in your area? She'd be awesome in their electrical department. Plus she'd make some industry contacts and could lead to that bigger better electrician job.
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Post by jeremysgirl on May 11, 2021 13:40:59 GMT
Ugh jeremysgirl I know how frustrating that has to be for you and your DD. I was stuck in that same rut after grad school. Has she looked at the home improvement and hardware stores in your area? She'd be awesome in their electrical department. Plus she'd make some industry contacts and could lead to that bigger better electrician job. She has indeed. One of our local chain hardware stores had (still has, in fact) a help wanted sign up. They said they were paying $13 an hour. She did apply and wasn't even called for interview.
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Post by jeremysgirl on May 11, 2021 13:44:57 GMT
I'm sorry to you leannec and Merge that your teens can't find work either. I'm not sure what's going on up there by you, Leanne, I know you guys are still in pandemic shutdown mode. But down here, it seems like minimum wage jobs are a dime a dozen. I can't believe your DD can't find a job, Merge. A lot of the stories on this thread are why I wholeheartedly do not believe that this "hiring crisis" is real.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on May 11, 2021 13:54:13 GMT
I'm sorry to you leannec and Merge that your teens can't find work either. I'm not sure what's going on up there by you, Leanne, I know you guys are still in pandemic shutdown mode. But down here, it seems like minimum wage jobs are a dime a dozen. I can't believe your DD can't find a job, Merge. A lot of the stories on this thread are why I wholeheartedly do not believe that this "hiring crisis" is real. It’s definitely being manipulated by republicans to sow discord...yet republicans, once again, are doing nothing about it. The extra stimulus is doing exactly what it was supposed to do—STIMY THE ECONOMY. The people receiving the stimulus are not hoarding it into savings and becoming millionaires—they are using it as it was intended. Statistically and in reality, very few are using it as incentive to just stay home. Republicans think it’s a terrible idea to reuse the minimum wage...yet here we are. Pay people at LEAST a living wage.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2021 13:56:38 GMT
My teens are 16 and 18 (18 year old is graduation from high school on Sunday) and we are in a rural area. I also get tired of seeing help wanted signs up (especially indicating they are looking for teens) and NO interviews when a resume is dropped off. They are not in dire need (since they live with us), but do pay for their own gas and insurance and need to work for that. It is frustrating when the signs stay up with a lot of complaints from the owners about not being able to find anyone to work. My DS took a seasonal job at a drive in/ice cream shop and is doing well there (pay was bumped to $11 an hour plus tips when he turned 18). My DD was offered a job from a neighbor to come in a few days a week to help them keep their house organized and laundry caught up (paying $15 an hour - so YEA for that!)
I'm not sure if you are close to any casinos in Michigan - but they are worth looking into. They offer a variety of positions.
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Post by crazy4scraps on May 11, 2021 13:58:39 GMT
DH and I were just talking about this the other day. There are Now Hiring! signs up literally everywhere around here and DH said none of those jobs will get filled as long as people are making more on unemployment. My reply was that if the jobs that are out there paid better, they wouldn’t be having those problems. I think people in general usually DO want to work, they don’t want to sit at home. But lots of people, especially women who are caring for anyone of any age right now, are having a really rough go.
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Post by garcia5050 on May 11, 2021 14:11:08 GMT
This was a few years ago, but I had a friend who finished the electrical program at a trade school and had a hard time finding electrician jobs. He started looking for non electric wiring jobs and found his niche. He does security system and hvac system wiring and installs. I’m not sure about other systems. Wait-I think the non electric stuff started with a cable company job, and that led to the non wire contacts. Maybe look into related areas?
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2021 14:17:45 GMT
Has she looked into colleges? She may be able to get more experience under apprenticeship at a local community College or 4 year. Many have their own staff for everything. Maybe contact the engineering department? Or see if there are any job postings at colleges?
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