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Post by crazy4scraps on May 11, 2021 14:30:37 GMT
This has left a bad taste in my daughter's mouth too. She was fired for no reason. She worked for them for 4 years. She did a damn good job. Never a single bad review or any disciplinary action. And they just let her go. Yep. Yet we want employees to bend to the needs of the employers by not leaving after being trained. Sorry. By their actions, American employers have "trained" employees to look out after number 1 - Just as the employers do. I agree with this completely. I was thinking about looking for a part time job over a year ago before Covid hit and was struggling even then because I knew I would have a hard time finding anything that would be able to work around my kid’s school schedule. Especially since my kid typically would get sick multiple times a year where she would miss several days running with each illness. I’m a 50+ year old woman with a lot of varied work experience. I’m reliable, creative, a team player and I work hard. All the positions I was looking at expect total flexibility on the part of the employee, but the employers don’t usually want to give anything back plus the part time positions generally don’t pay very well. So when I looked at the total package situation, it just wasn’t worth it to me to even bother. My DH would tell me I was being too picky, but honestly I was being realistic. No one would want to hire someone who needed to be off all the days the kids are out of school (which in a typical school year is at least a few days every month plus any days my kid would be sick and had to stay home, and that was before Covid). These employers are holding out for unicorns when most of the people out looking for jobs are normal, hard working horses.
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Post by librarylady on May 11, 2021 14:33:01 GMT
I suggest leaving some things off the resume' in order to even get an interview. It is VERY DIFFICULT to get a job when one is over qualified.
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Post by basketdiva on May 11, 2021 14:34:55 GMT
The Bistro I work at has been trying to hire and when setting up interviews has been told "well I can't start until September when my unemployment runs out". There is a trades employer who is getting the same story so it is true that many people are not going back to work for the very reason of unemployment benefits. The construction jobs are not low paying jobs.
I'm beginning to think some people are applying for jobs just to satisfy unemployment requirements. The people that turn down interviews or jobs need to be reported.
I'm sorry for those of you who have young adults struggling to find a job.
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Post by smalltowngirlie on May 11, 2021 14:37:13 GMT
I think for both sides it can be completely frustrating. We get applicants and if they are qualified, they will get called. We often get no response. For our entry level position we call everyone because we need someone. I cannot tell you how many people do not answer or respond to the phone call. When we do finally reach someone and schedule an interview, I think there is less than a 50% chance that they will show up. Seriously, I am so glad our interviews are remote I can continue to work while waiting for someone to join our meeting, and we bend over backwards to make sure they can connect to us in some way.
Our DS looked for over a year for a job. His work history is 2 jobs, multiple years for each. He left the one because he left to go to college. He was looking for a job in his field, so he was not over qualified, but did not have any experience. How can someone get experience if no one is willing to give a recent grad a chance. He filled out many applications and got calls from maybe 1/3 of them. He did get hired at a very good company that seems to be treating him and all their employees very well.
I will say we look for staff that we feel will be around for a while. We do in house training and educational assistance to grow our own. We want staff to stay, build their skills, get certifications or degrees and work their way up in our program. It is beyond frustrating to go through the work of hiring someone and then they quit. I literally had someone quit the day after her orientation.
I know someone said that employers can fire "at will", well employees can quit "at will" also. I have read many articles about the newer generations like change so they will change jobs and careers more often than older generations. The time of someone staying with one company for 10, 20 or even 30 years could be long gone.
jeremysgirl, please tell your daughter not to give up. We kept encouraging DS and he got a job with great pay and benefits, it took sometime, but was worth it in the end.
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Post by mikewozowski on May 11, 2021 14:44:47 GMT
is she willing/able to go out of your area?
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Post by jeremysgirl on May 11, 2021 14:46:39 GMT
This was a few years ago, but I had a friend who finished the electrical program at a trade school and had a hard time finding electrician jobs. He started looking for non electric wiring jobs and found his niche. He does security system and hvac system wiring and installs. I’m not sure about other systems. Wait-I think the non electric stuff started with a cable company job, and that led to the non wire contacts. Maybe look into related areas? This is a good idea. Thank you!
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Post by jeremysgirl on May 11, 2021 14:51:19 GMT
is she willing/able to go out of your area? She is willing to drive up to an hour away. But she is not willing to move out of our area at this time. Truth, she needs the support of everyone around her right now, from her family to her friends to her medical team.
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Post by Rhondito on May 11, 2021 14:53:22 GMT
The Bistro I work at has been trying to hire and when setting up interviews has been told "well I can't start until September when my unemployment runs out". There is a trades employer who is getting the same story so it is true that many people are not going back to work for the very reason of unemployment benefits. My daughter told me that restaurants in our area are so desperate for servers that they are paying $10/hr plus tips and they still can't get people to work. They could be making 3 X the amount of unemployment but they don't want to work. Many of our restaurants have to close at times because they don't have enough staff to open; they've reduced hours and cut the number of days they open each week.
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Post by nightnurse on May 11, 2021 15:00:26 GMT
The Bistro I work at has been trying to hire and when setting up interviews has been told "well I can't start until September when my unemployment runs out". There is a trades employer who is getting the same story so it is true that many people are not going back to work for the very reason of unemployment benefits. My daughter told me that restaurants in our area are so desperate for servers that they are paying $10/hr plus tips and they still can't get people to work. They could be making 3 X the amount of unemployment but they don't want to work. Many of our restaurants have to close at times because they don't have enough staff to open; they've reduced hours and cut the number of days they open each week. How many hours are they willing to offer the employees? $10 is great but not if you’re only working 20 hours. And lots of these types of jobs vary the schedule from week to week with little notice so it’s hard to work two jobs and coordinate the two schedules. If you’re working four hours on tires day from 4-8, it’s hard to work before or after that and tips are lower during the week. There are lots of considerations and any time in the past I worked retail or food service, I could expect to be called off without pay at the last minute if the employer was having a slow day.
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Post by jlynnbarth on May 11, 2021 15:02:02 GMT
I’m sorry your dd is having a rough go of it. I truly don’t know the answer other than agreeing on tweaking her resume in regards to working food service.
The small business I work for is busier than we have EVER been! We have been looking for someone for months. We’ve paid more in employment advertising in the past 6 months than in the 10 years I’ve worked here. NO ONE is answering the ads for employment. We are listed on Indeed, Zip recruiter, Craigslist, in the paper etc... We haven’t had the issue in the past. We’ve at least had a few qualified people apply. My boss doesn’t pay minimum wage, (which is 13.69 an hour here) he always pays more, knowing how valuable good employees are. He pays vacation and sick time and good monthly bonuses when we meet our goals, but unfortunately he just can’t afford to offer insurance, which obviously isn’t great. He was priced out a couple years before I started. Our employees are stressed, working overtime and tired trying to compensate for the 2 positions we are trying to fill. At this point we’ve changed the ad to say “will train” instead of “experience needed” and still not one person has applied in the weeks we’ve had it changed. It’s mind blowing to us and all we can think is that it is the extended unemployment and extra 300.00 a week keeping people home.
A good family friend is in the same boat at his company that he manages. No one is answering his ads. He’s working 12 hour days, 7 days a week to try and keep his orders filled (manufacturing of metal siding for buildings). They are slammed with orders. He can’t find a single person willing to even apply, let alone work.
It’s so frustrating for everyone right now. I hope we see some kind of change soon.
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Post by bethany102399 on May 11, 2021 15:06:30 GMT
This is giving me flashbacks to 2012 when DH was unemployed for the full year and my mom would just say well he needs to go down to the local fast food place and get a job there. Like he hadn't applied there already and they just laughed at him. They knew full well he was overqualified and would walk the instant something in his field opened up. It was awful, and we were so desperate.
OP has she looked at fiber at all? DH works in rural fiber (internet connection, like google) and they're looking for people to do field work for them- literally laying lines. I'm not sure if her electrical experience could connect in with this or not, but I'd check it out and see.
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Post by jeremysgirl on May 11, 2021 15:09:36 GMT
OP has she looked at fiber at all? DH works in rural fiber (internet connection, like google) and they're looking for people to do field work for them- literally laying lines. I'm not sure if her electrical experience could connect in with this or not, but I'd check it out and see. This is also another good idea. Thank you, all, for the suggestions on where she might be able to fit in. After all these good suggestions, I know I'll be able to lift her mood today. She was so discouraged yesterday when she was told again that she was overqualified.
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Post by Rhondito on May 11, 2021 15:16:06 GMT
My daughter told me that restaurants in our area are so desperate for servers that they are paying $10/hr plus tips and they still can't get people to work. They could be making 3 X the amount of unemployment but they don't want to work. Many of our restaurants have to close at times because they don't have enough staff to open; they've reduced hours and cut the number of days they open each week. How many hours are they willing to offer the employees? $10 is great but not if you’re only working 20 hours. And lots of these types of jobs vary the schedule from week to week with little notice so it’s hard to work two jobs and coordinate the two schedules. If you’re working four hours on tires day from 4-8, it’s hard to work before or after that and tips are lower during the week. There are lots of considerations and any time in the past I worked retail or food service, I could expect to be called off without pay at the last minute if the employer was having a slow day. At the restaurants my daughter was talking about, making $100/shift in tips is a slow day. $300-400 a night during the week is normal. And I know it's true because my daughter has worked at those places and has friends who work at all of them. These aren't chain restaurants, they're upscale local places.
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Post by mikewozowski on May 11, 2021 15:35:04 GMT
is she willing/able to go out of your area? She is willing to drive up to an hour away. But she is not willing to move out of our area at this time. Truth, she needs the support of everyone around her right now, from her family to her friends to her medical team. i thought that might be the case.
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Post by lizacreates on May 11, 2021 15:35:36 GMT
So I am just sitting here scratching my head. Her state unemployment benefit is $182 per week. And with the federal $300 she was almost making what she was managing the restaurant. But it's ending in July and she can't find anyone to hire her. Are you sure about July? Reason I ask is because the newest rescue plan extends benefits to Sept. Or was your daughter already on extended UI?
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Post by Skellinton on May 11, 2021 15:37:02 GMT
The Bistro I work at has been trying to hire and when setting up interviews has been told "well I can't start until September when my unemployment runs out". There is a trades employer who is getting the same story so it is true that many people are not going back to work for the very reason of unemployment benefits. My daughter told me that restaurants in our area are so desperate for servers that they are paying $10/hr plus tips and they still can't get people to work. They could be making 3 X the amount of unemployment but they don't want to work. Many of our restaurants have to close at times because they don't have enough staff to open; they've reduced hours and cut the number of days they open each week. Minimum wage here is over 10 am hour, and includes tips, what is your minimum wage? That doesn’t seem that desperate to me. Around here our restaurants are suffering because they are allowed to open with 25% capacity then the Governor shuts then down for a week or two, then let’s them open again, then shuts them down. Several restaurants are stuck with excess food they or they don’t order and have the opposite problem. We have had several restaurants close off and on or just close permanently. I can’t imagine trying to run a restaurant in our area right now. They are constantly having to lay off staff and rehire.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on May 11, 2021 15:37:47 GMT
My boss doesn’t pay minimum wage, (which is 13.69 an hour here) he always pays more, knowing how valuable good employees are. He pays vacation and sick time and good monthly bonuses when we meet our goals, but unfortunately he just can’t afford to offer insurance, which obviously isn’t great. ^^^ this sucks. I get that he can't offer insurance, but the way most companies have tied insurance to employment in this country, insurance and other benefits is the biggest draw to a position, in my opinion. It sucks for part-time employees, too- I've seen companies schedule people for just under the # of hours to qualify as full-time, so they don't have to pay for insurance. In the industry I'm in, they only hire temps thru a temp agency... and those agencies don't offer benefits until you've worked a certain # of hours. The production work at my company is HARD, and DIRTY, and the hours are LONG (with mandatory overtime on VERY SHORT notice)... and the company I work for is CHEAP, so they don't pay what they should to keep people. So people get hired and only stay a few days, or sometimes not even ONE FULL DAY. And I don't blame them. They can get paid as much, or more, doing something else that's nowhere near as difficult. (and then the management wonders 'why can't we keep people?' DUH.) jeremysgirl , I hope your daughter finds something soon.
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Post by basketdiva on May 11, 2021 15:38:18 GMT
The Bistro I work at has been trying to hire and when setting up interviews has been told "well I can't start until September when my unemployment runs out". There is a trades employer who is getting the same story so it is true that many people are not going back to work for the very reason of unemployment benefits. My daughter told me that restaurants in our area are so desperate for servers that they are paying $10/hr plus tips and they still can't get people to work. They could be making 3 X the amount of unemployment but they don't want to work. Many of our restaurants have to close at times because they don't have enough staff to open; they've reduced hours and cut the number of days they open each week. In my state minimum wage is $13.79 to $16.69 an hour plus tips. The people applying know that the Bistro job is part-time and their resumes indicate that’s what they want.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2021 15:41:23 GMT
Not sure how this would work but could your daughter perhaps become self employed instead, perhaps a home help with restaurant experience in meal preparation it would be a plus and working in hospitality gives good people skills.
People need help with so many things , meals , housework, shopping, gardening .
The other thing I thought would be to make the most of being a female electrician , some clients may feel more comfortable with a woman working in their home. It could possibly cover other types of maintenance or repairs as well to widen the business opportunities.
It sounds like your daughter has lots to offer and being self employed means no one could turn her down due to being over qualified. It also means she will be more in control and not get made redundant at short notice.
Hope she finds something she enjoys, whatever she decides to do.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2021 15:47:50 GMT
How many hours are they willing to offer the employees? $10 is great but not if you’re only working 20 hours. And lots of these types of jobs vary the schedule from week to week with little notice so it’s hard to work two jobs and coordinate the two schedules. If you’re working four hours on tires day from 4-8, it’s hard to work before or after that and tips are lower during the week EXACTLY!!!! It's not just the WAGE, it's the SCHEDULE. Again, employers want it all their own way - we'll hire you, but < 20 hrs/week and with a schedule that changes weekly and is posted on Thursday night. Then they whine and moan about why they can't find applicants. You want employees? Sign a one-year contract with employees. Guarantee a set number of hours and schedule that will only change occasionally and with one week's notice. NO?!?! Well, there you go.
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Post by lisacharlotte on May 11, 2021 15:54:09 GMT
I'm not sure if you are close to any casinos in Michigan - but they are worth looking into. They offer a variety of positions. I work in this industry and while it is not for everyone, the ability to advance is the best of any industry I’ve worked in. To work in a casino you have to realize this is not a Mon-Fri 9-5. We NEVER close. Holidays, everyone works because it’s our busiest time. You have to be at work when scheduled. We lose a lot of new hires due to attendance issues. A lot of our leadership started as dealers, beverage servers, slot attendants. We want to promote from within because knowing the business is a huge part being successful. Other casinos will hire previous casino workers because they are familiar with the culture. It doesn’t matter which company you work for, we all run pretty much the same.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on May 11, 2021 15:56:18 GMT
EXACTLY!!!! It's not just the WAGE, it's the SCHEDULE. Again, employers want it all their own way - we'll hire you, but < 20 hrs/week and with a schedule that changes weekly and is posted on Thursday night. where I work, sometimes the production employees don't find out until Thursday whether they have to work that Saturday or not. And with mandatory 12 hour shifts during the week, they're hardly ever home, as it is. Scheduling short-notice weekend work would be practically impossible if you have young kids.
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Post by jeremysgirl on May 11, 2021 15:58:04 GMT
The other thing I thought would be to make the most of being a female electrician , some clients may feel more comfortable with a woman working in their home. It could possibly cover other types of maintenance or repairs as well to widen the business opportunities. My daughter is only an apprentice at this time. So she needs to work with someone else to get experience so she can get her journeymans license. And she would totally do that with a residential electrician. However, her focus in school was on commercial electrical work. And there's a very good reason for that, she didn't want to risk going into someone's house alone as a woman. It's very sad that this is the world in which we live, but she is very small and putting herself into people's homes alone she is not comfortable with. Whereas she's perfect for commercial jobs because often they require a lot of ceiling wiring. She is the perfect small size to do ceiling wiring above already installed ceilings. This is one of her very favorite things to do. And usually the guys she works with love having someone so little to get into the tight places.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on May 11, 2021 15:59:21 GMT
Has she looked into colleges? She may be able to get more experience under apprenticeship at a local community College or 4 year. Many have their own staff for everything. Maybe contact the engineering department? Or see if there are any job postings at colleges? I was also going to suggest hospitals/medical facilities. jeremysgirl
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Post by jeremysgirl on May 11, 2021 16:02:45 GMT
Has she looked into colleges? She may be able to get more experience under apprenticeship at a local community College or 4 year. Many have their own staff for everything. Maybe contact the engineering department? Or see if there are any job postings at colleges? I was also going to suggest hospitals/medical facilities. @jeremeysgirl Very good ideas, thank you, both. We live near the largest university in Michigan. They are an excellent employer to work for. I will make sure she checks there.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on May 11, 2021 16:03:06 GMT
Whereas she's perfect for commercial jobs because often they require a lot of ceiling wiring. She is the perfect small size to do ceiling wiring above already installed ceilings. This is one of her very favorite things to do. And usually the guys she works with love having someone so little to get into the tight places. Maybe that is an asset to put on her resume!
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Post by jeremysgirl on May 11, 2021 16:04:36 GMT
EXACTLY!!!! It's not just the WAGE, it's the SCHEDULE. Again, employers want it all their own way - we'll hire you, but < 20 hrs/week and with a schedule that changes weekly and is posted on Thursday night. Then they whine and moan about why they can't find applicants. You want employees? Sign a one-year contract with employees. Guarantee a set number of hours and schedule that will only change occasionally and with one week's notice. Yes, this is a terrible thing with retail/food service. If employers would guarantee work hours then they would get a ton more employees. And the truth is, those employees would probably be a whole lot more reliable too.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on May 11, 2021 16:04:54 GMT
Very good ideas, thank you, both. We live near the largest university in Michigan. They are an excellent employer to work for. I will make sure she checks there. Any kind of maintenance with a side of electrical work particularly if they already have an electrician who would be willing to take her on. Speaking of food services.... I had a friend whose DD have College etc who ended up in a hospital dining room. She did advance, but now works still at the hospital but as manager of Environmental Services.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on May 11, 2021 16:05:43 GMT
jeremysgirl, are there any companies in the area that work with senior-care facilities? my DH worked many years for a company that installed the low-voltage wiring for the safety services in senior-care communities. (the buttons, pull-cords, lanyards the residents wore, etc.). They got contracts with senior care companies, and wired new construction as well as retrofits of existing facilities. Before that, he worked for a company that did low-voltage wiring in new construction homes for the wired sound systems, alarm systems, etc. Perhaps something like that?? low-voltage wiring, lighting, stereo / music system wiring, etc.?? (I totally get that her small size would be a HUGE advantage- no pun intended, lol- for commercial wiring above ceilings... my DH did some of that in our previous house, and I was so afraid he was stuck up there, lol!! And he's not even a big guy. I hope she finds something related to her field to get her experience until she finds exactly what she wants.)
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Post by jeremysgirl on May 11, 2021 16:10:42 GMT
So I am just sitting here scratching my head. Her state unemployment benefit is $182 per week. And with the federal $300 she was almost making what she was managing the restaurant. But it's ending in July and she can't find anyone to hire her. Are you sure about July? Reason I ask is because the newest rescue plan extends benefits to Sept. Or was your daughter already on extended UI? I have no idea. That's what she told me.
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