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Post by papersilly on May 11, 2021 20:13:21 GMT
you are so right. unfortunately we are dealing with a new generation known for being very transient when it comes to jobs. it's been reported that they will not be like their parents or grandparents and retire from a job they have held for decades. it's also been reported that workers (of most ages) will achieve greater income advancement through job changes and not waiting around for (what they consider piddly) merit increases at work. for years, my sister worked in accounting management for a major cosmetics company but the company was known for only giving incremental, if any, raises. she finally took a chance and did a job-to-job-to-job change in a span of a couple of years and now makes far more money than she could have ever earned in raises at the first company. i understand why turnover is very high at some jobs and why employers are frustrated at the hiring process. the days of forever employees or someone being a "company man" seem to be over. the younger generation CAN'T stay at the same job for their entire career. people get laid ooff all the time. companies do not give very big raises (sometimes only keeping up with the cost of living increase) so people have to move on to other jobs. it is not so much that the young people want to switch jobs so badly. my brother has worked at the same job he started with after college. not many people do anymore. that's my point. whether they want to or not, the younger generation don't retire from long term jobs as previous generations have. some may want to stay on forever but for some companies, when an employee ages, they start to get expensive. the cost of providing benefits for them increases and the cost of their pension may be more expensive than the plans the newer people have. at the same time, there is that segment of that generation who don't want to stay long. don't plan to stay long. some live with their parents so no mortgage to tie you to a particular job no matter how much you hate it. some don't have spouses or kids that depend on their income so again, leave that job if you want.
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Post by QueenoftheSloths on May 11, 2021 20:17:03 GMT
Would she be able to find something through a temp agency? Since she is just looking for something to bridge the gap until she finds something in her field, maybe that could work for the short term.
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Post by hop2 on May 11, 2021 20:18:21 GMT
Also, as I said in another thread, the unemployment thing is bogus. If your not paying enough to beat unemployment, your not paying enough. Maybe in the cheapest states to live in that is an incentive to stay home, but it isn’t where I live. What keeps people home here? The everchanging school schedules and inflexible companies. I agree. I'm also concerned about the quality of the jobs out there. They just don't seem to be anything worth applying for. If they truly couldn’t get anyone to work mine would have had a job offer already. Multiple job offers. But she too is hearing the ‘too qualified’ chorus I agree with this too. If fast food doesn't want a kid with 4 years of experience, then who do they want? I didn’t realize that the union hires you in some places. I was under the impression that you joined it. It doesn't work like that here. It's very hard to get in the union. Most have to start as an apprentice and get a bunch of experience before they will bring you in. Has she tried contacting the school she went to? Perhaps they have a placement center that can help her. Yes, she has. And that's how she got the one lead this week. My DD teaches part time online and she won’t take a job that pays her less than that job. ( DUH ) but retail jobs that pay more don’t seem to want her. Jobs in her actual field are still paused for the pandemic so what is she supposed to do? ( she does not get unemployment ) It’s crazy to hear the news reports that people can’t find people to work and see the trouble my kids have had getting jobs. It just does not match! Another reason people I know have turned down jobs was not enough hours. Well if your offering 10 hours a week spread over 2-3 days that not really a job and it’s keeping the person from finding another job. Why would my DD trade one 15 hour a week from home job for a 10-12 hour a week job that she has to drive to? Because 6 months from now you might decide to give her more hours? Nah.
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Post by jeremysgirl on May 11, 2021 20:44:33 GMT
I am so f*ing sick of people saying her generation is lazy/doesn't want to work. Bullshit. ITA.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2021 21:06:20 GMT
From the Krugman piece above:
"Also, if unemployment benefits were holding job growth back, you’d expect the worst performance in low-wage industries, where benefits are large relative to wages. The actual pattern was the reverse: big job gains in low-wage sectors like leisure and hospitality, job losses in high-wage sectors like professional services.
So what actually happened? We don’t know. Maybe it was a statistical aberration, maybe a variety of factors ranging from computer chip shortages to lack of child care were holding the economy back. The sensible thing is to wait a few months for more evidence, not rush to cut off a crucial financial lifeline for millions of families.
But punishing the unemployed is what Republicans do, whenever they can, whatever the economic circumstances. The G.O.P., posturing aside, is still a corporatist party."
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Post by mollycoddle on May 11, 2021 21:21:49 GMT
I don't blame them. This whole pandemic has just completely exposed how selfish so many people in our society are. It sure has. My daughter works at a restaurant as a server. The stories she tells after almost every shift...some people are such assholes. She's a server who has gotten stiffed on a tip because of things completely out of her control. Steak not cooked right? No tip for her. Waited too long to be seated at a table? No tip. It's no wonder no one wants to work in food service. I feel so bad for her. She is a recent college graduate (December 2020) working a long term substitute teacher job while she applies for teaching jobs and she works at a well known chain steak house on the weekends. She works her butt off, she is so friendly, covers shifts when people don't want to work, etc. Yet she goes to work and regularly gets screamed at by the manager, stiffed by asshole customers, and more. I am so f*ing sick of people saying her generation is lazy/doesn't want to work. Bullshit. I agree. The young people that I know are far from lazy. And frankly, they are a lot nicer/kinder than my friends and I were.
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Post by fkawitchypea on May 11, 2021 21:42:17 GMT
ITA. I don't know why this generation gets labeled as lazy. DS and his friends have had jobs since they were 13 or 14, starting off working at our local farms, mowing lawns, etc. jeremysgirl -- someone above mentioned temping. That may be a good option for your dd. I have a friend that works for a temp agency and said they are mobbed with requests right now. Also, how about your local electric/power company? Many of the electrical graduates from our local community college start out there.
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Post by Lexica on May 11, 2021 21:57:28 GMT
Can she advertise in your area papers and on whatever media would be relevant to do work for homeowners? I know several people that could use a bit of electrical work done, and I hope your area is the same. She is certified, right? Is working for herself allowed in your area? I would absolutely hire her to do a few things around my home like add extra outlets, installing a security system, or whatever else was needed. I think we need to pitch in and help these qualified people to make a living if we possibly can. In your daughter's situation, I would hope that it would be allowed for her to advertise herself for smaller, individual jobs.
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Post by twinsmomfla99 on May 11, 2021 22:12:29 GMT
I don't want to repeat much of what has been said, but there are some industries that pay really good wages, plus benefits and need people 40+ hours a week and still can't get staffed. This area has a huge, huge warehouse industry due to location and proximity to FedEx, railway and the interstates. There are more warehouses being built every month but the companies are having difficulty staffing them. Amazon came in and paid $15+ to start and it forced other warehouses to follow suit (good!). Some companies are starting there and within 90 days offer benefits and up to $19 per hour base pay. Yet still companies are under staffed. There are a few different issues. First off, it is work. You actually have to show up and put in a day's work, not just stand around. It is not back breaking, ditch digging level work, but you still have to stand, move, lift etc. Some people just don't want to work thta hard. (yes, some people can't physically work that hard, but then they probably wouldn't apply for a warehouse position). Another issue (and I know it doesn't relate to most Peas), but many companies won't hire someone full time if they have a felony conviction on their record. Some companies will make exceptions for non violent offenses, but if there is any type of weapon or DV involved they will not hire them. I know DH went to bat for one of his favorite temp workers to try to get him hired because he had an old drug conviction years before. My opinion is there is not one single reason for the hiring/staffing/unemployment crisis and not one single solution either. Every industry and every area has its own unique set of issues and solutions. Oldest DD works in HR for a company located in an area with a reasonable cost-of-living (less than 94% of the national average). The starting salary for a machine operator is $15.50/hour, with periodic raises given for meeting training goals that put the wage at about $20/hour within the first two years. It is not back-breaking work, and there are three shifts available that can accommodate families’ childcare needs. She cannot fill all of her available positions. Is it because of the unemployment payments? Possibly. In the past, they have never had trouble hiring workers. But now, unemployment pays some almost as much as they would earn while working at the starting wage. After paying SSI/Medicare and the expense of traveling to work, there may be less money in their pockets on payday than they are getting from unemployment now. They also have the opportunity to work “under the table” for cash and still draw unemployment benefits. The enhanced unemployment definitely provides some incentive to stay unemployed. However, I do not understand why someone would go that route when there are good jobs with benefits that are available, and yet DD cannot find enough workers to fill these positions. You would think someone would take advantage of the lack of competition for these jobs to get them now instead of waiting until the unemployment payments end.
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Post by jeremysgirl on May 11, 2021 22:29:03 GMT
Can she advertise in your area papers and on whatever media would be relevant to do work for homeowners? I know several people that could use a bit of electrical work done, and I hope your area is the same. She is certified, right? Is working for herself allowed in your area? I would absolutely hire her to do a few things around my home like add extra outlets, installing a security system, or whatever else was needed. I think we need to pitch in and help these qualified people to make a living if we possibly can. In your daughter's situation, I would hope that it would be allowed for her to advertise herself for smaller, individual jobs. She could absolutely jeopardize her entire future by doing this. She is not licensed and this is a huge liability. But I appreciate the suggestion and everyone's suggestions. She just came home and we are going to have a talk tonight about her options.
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Post by mimix3 on May 11, 2021 22:32:30 GMT
I had the same question posed to me when I interviewed for the job I have now. The owner asked how long it would be before I worked full time for my husband (his own business) and I told him I wouldn't be. He continued on with that for a few minutes. I almost felt like I wasnt going to get the job, but in the end I did.
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Post by Lexica on May 11, 2021 23:06:57 GMT
Can she advertise in your area papers and on whatever media would be relevant to do work for homeowners? I know several people that could use a bit of electrical work done, and I hope your area is the same. She is certified, right? Is working for herself allowed in your area? I would absolutely hire her to do a few things around my home like add extra outlets, installing a security system, or whatever else was needed. I think we need to pitch in and help these qualified people to make a living if we possibly can. In your daughter's situation, I would hope that it would be allowed for her to advertise herself for smaller, individual jobs. She could absolutely jeopardize her entire future by doing this. She is not licensed and this is a huge liability. But I appreciate the suggestion and everyone's suggestions. She just came home and we are going to have a talk tonight about her options. Oh, okay. I didn't understand that she is qualified as an apprentice, but not to work for herself yet. I was trying to think outside the box for her, but obviously not to her future detriment.
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Post by Nanner on May 11, 2021 23:32:23 GMT
My father was an electrician. He worked for many many years at plants, then worked in the parliament buildings, and his last several years were working in a hospital.
I hope she finds something.
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Post by MissBianca on May 12, 2021 1:18:00 GMT
ITA. I don't know why this generation gets labeled as lazy. DS and his friends have had jobs since they were 13 or 14, starting off working at our local farms, mowing lawns, etc. jeremysgirl -- someone above mentioned temping. That may be a good option for your dd. I have a friend that works for a temp agency and said they are mobbed with requests right now. Also, how about your local electric/power company? Many of the electrical graduates from our local community college start out there. I think a lot of it is they have found a balance better than our generation did. My oldest works for a place that cares about his mental health. They go on field trips to farms (they are food to table type place). They are the only restaurant in the group to not close during Covid, the others did a rolling closing for a month at a time. But now the manager is like you guys are busting butt make sure you take time off. DS24 is getting his second Covid shot Friday so his boss (the owner) said I will cover your shift Saturday so you can take it easy. Today DS20 went to work for 7am, got out around 1, and went fishing until 6. The place they both used to work, pizza truck, would close 2-3 times a year so the owners could go to some Woodstock type events and follow their favorite band around for a week or two. They make themselves take time for fun. All of the boys friends are like this. It’s not uncommon for me to have a handful of kids outside having a bonfire or inside playing Magic.
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Post by crazy4scraps on May 12, 2021 6:14:12 GMT
I don't want to repeat much of what has been said, but there are some industries that pay really good wages, plus benefits and need people 40+ hours a week and still can't get staffed. This area has a huge, huge warehouse industry due to location and proximity to FedEx, railway and the interstates. There are more warehouses being built every month but the companies are having difficulty staffing them. Amazon came in and paid $15+ to start and it forced other warehouses to follow suit (good!). Some companies are starting there and within 90 days offer benefits and up to $19 per hour base pay. Yet still companies are under staffed. There are a few different issues. First off, it is work. You actually have to show up and put in a day's work, not just stand around. It is not back breaking, ditch digging level work, but you still have to stand, move, lift etc. Some people just don't want to work thta hard. (yes, some people can't physically work that hard, but then they probably wouldn't apply for a warehouse position). Another issue (and I know it doesn't relate to most Peas), but many companies won't hire someone full time if they have a felony conviction on their record. Some companies will make exceptions for non violent offenses, but if there is any type of weapon or DV involved they will not hire them. I know DH went to bat for one of his favorite temp workers to try to get him hired because he had an old drug conviction years before. My opinion is there is not one single reason for the hiring/staffing/unemployment crisis and not one single solution either. Every industry and every area has its own unique set of issues and solutions. Don’t you think some of it too is the corporate culture that some of these employers are well known to operate under that makes people not want to work there even if the pay and benefits are decent? When companies treat their employees like crap that word gets around. I have friends that work/have worked for UPS. The pay is decent and the other benefits are too, but they work their people straight into the ground. The employees accrue vacation time they can’t actually use because huge chunks of the year are totally blacked out. They get health insurance but can’t use it because if they can’t take a half day for an appointment, they have to use a full day and then they don’t get paid if they do unless they use vacation time which my friend has said he has to put in the request weeks in advance, and who can do that when you don’t know when you will be sick or injured? There are several big companies in my area that I wouldn’t ever even consider applying for a job with simply because their reputation for being miserable places to work are so horrible and so prevalent.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2021 13:02:03 GMT
There are several big companies in my area that I wouldn’t ever even consider applying for a job with simply because their reputation for being miserable places to work are so horrible and so prevalent. I'm glad word gets around. The jumbo employers w/the billion dollar profits and the pittance wages, shitty schedules and horrible treatment DESERVE to be struggling to find workers. Share the wealth. More profit-sharing. Less acting like everyone is a miserable POS who you pay only under duress and because you haven't figured out a way to outsource/offshore/downsize/AUTOMATE them yet.
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Post by LuvAgoodPaddle on May 12, 2021 16:48:30 GMT
Well you just have to read the garage door repair post to see why it can be hard to pay livable wage in some industries.
Maybe that garage door repairman is one of the very few who do pay his employee a livable wage, offer healthcare, vacation, sick leave, they are licensed and bonded, etc.
But yet us consumers think it's too expensive and of course we are going to call around for a cheaper option. Because there is almost always a cheaper option with a company who maybe hires day workers or illegals (roofing and construction are good for this), zero benefits to their employees, not licensed and bonded, work cheaper for cash, etc.
Meanwhile, the guy who does pay livable wages can't get business because the lower cost guy is getting all the business. Livable wage company now has to lay off workers, lower hours and cut other business costs just to stay afloat. And possibly even have to start lowering what he charges because no one will pay it.
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Post by disneypal on May 12, 2021 18:44:44 GMT
All these people keep saying to cut benefits. But no one is looking at the reality of the situation. I totally see where you are coming from....it is so frustrating. My sister worked with a company 23 years, as an office manager. The company was a national fitness center and she worked in the corporate office. When COVID hit, everyone started canceling their memberships and therefore the company has practically no income and had to let go 80% of their staff, my sister included. She has been applying for similar positions since September 2020. She has gotten about 3 interviews, although she has applied for countless positions. When she does get an interview, they want to pay her about half of what she was making per year OR they only want someone part-time. She is willing to take a pay cut to get a job but she can't take a job making 50% less than she was and with no benefits...she needs insurance (has been paying COBRA). Even places like retail and fast food are not good options because, while many say they are hiring, they are only willing to give people 10-20 hours a week and no benefits. It has been a real struggle for her to find a job. She interviewed for a position, when through 3 steps (up the leadership chain) and ultimately, they decided they weren't going to fill the position after all since they didn't think they had the revenue to sustain it. I feel bad for her. It isn't like she isn't trying - she is!
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