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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2021 15:26:44 GMT
I really wish people my age and older would let go of the idea that because we did something, people today should be able to do it too. Our society is not the same. Short story is, if you can’t find enough workers, look at how you’re treating the ones you have. Amen.
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Post by hopemax on May 12, 2021 16:00:07 GMT
There are a lot of big lies being said about the labor shortage, as there were previous big lies. Skills have to match jobs, and I think there is a mis-match due to what was needed and not needed over the last year. A lot of people who were in the industries most affected didn't sit around at home and collect unemployment, despite what people say. They went out and got jobs in the industries that thrived in the pandemic environment. Low wage workers not working at a restaurant or travel services got delivery jobs, warehouse jobs, medical billing and scheduling jobs, etc. They thrived in those jobs and so why would they go back to an industry with lower wages / less benefits / worse working conditions? Their new employers don't want to give them up either. We're being asked to believe that people are filing for unemployment for the benefits. There would have to be an official record in order the checks and direct deposit payments to be made, but there are 12 states with unemployment less than 4%. That's not a sign of lazy workers, that's a sign of not enough workers. This is the situation that capitalists tell us will provide increased wages, better benefits, better conditions. Now that it's here, they hate it.
The places that did suffer are now looking to hire. They already took a hit from being closed or understaffed over the last year, the last thing they want to do is have to pay more, more benefits, better work environment. But that's the situation now. The workers that are unemployed, if we dig into it, are probably poor matches for the jobs that are open. Like the issues of low wage places not wanting to hire people that they think will leave the moment something better comes along. So what do they do, just like the rest of the last year, deny the reality of the situation and make it about something else other than "the world changed."
We have been approaching another radical shift in labor for awhile, and the pandemic is forcing it to the forefront The fact that some industries had their strongest growth in years, while others were shut down or limited has created an imbalance, and old talking points aren't going to cover it anymore. There has been a lot of resistance to automation, but for these low wage, back-breaking jobs... if workers won't take them for less than X, and employers can't afford to pay X than maybe people shouldn't be doing those jobs anymore in the same quantity; let the robots do it, give progress the wheel. Other industries have growth potential, but it took the pandemic for them to realize how much growth existed in a "convenience" economy or how much their business was being held back because they didn't have a 21st century infrastructure with online, mobile service options. We've moved beyond indentured servitude or worse, now we're at the next step in labor progress. People shouldn't be forced into bad jobs, just because that's the way it's always been.
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Post by jeremysgirl on May 12, 2021 16:04:41 GMT
hopemax said: there are 12 states with unemployment less than 4%. That's not a sign of lazy workers, that's a sign of not enough workers. This is the situation that capitalists tell us will provide increased wages, better benefits, better conditions. Now that it's here, they hate it. Permission to use this quote on Facebook?
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Post by hopemax on May 12, 2021 16:07:16 GMT
hopemax said: there are 12 states with unemployment less than 4%. That's not a sign of lazy workers, that's a sign of not enough workers. This is the situation that capitalists tell us will provide increased wages, better benefits, better conditions. Now that it's here, they hate it. Permission to use this quote on Facebook? Sure!
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Post by crimsoncat05 on May 12, 2021 16:20:32 GMT
from this article, a tweet from Rep Ilhan Omar that I think sums it up perfectly: "The interests of big business are at war with the interests of the working class. They will spend millions of dollars to take $300 a month away from you and your family, to force you to work for them for pennies. Their greed has no bounds." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To businesses: If people are staying at home for a paltry extra $300 because that is MORE money than your paycheck would be, then PAY THEM MORE TO WORK FOR YOU!!! (But no... they can't lessen any of the dividends to stockholders or the bonuses for the CEO, et al. !!! )
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Post by lizacreates on May 12, 2021 16:39:44 GMT
"I don’t begrudge workers. People make decisions based on what they’re offered. If the government pays them not to work, many won’t work. Not all want to become entrepreneurs or work extra hours and get promoted. Some are content to just get by. And the government is making it easier right now to do that."
The majority of Americans aren’t even vaccinated. Some/many don’t even want to wear masks. Try slinging hash at $7.25/hour for these wackos while endangering your health and then come back and tell us what it was like.
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Post by Merge on May 12, 2021 17:47:04 GMT
Also since I know I’ll get bashed, if we all sit around and expect the government to pay us to sta the home during a pandemic, amd we eventually become reliant on that since we’ll lose job skills-isn’t that communism. I mean how long do really want to ride the government money. I get it, don’t want to get the virus. But we’re past the one year mark, we’re on track with the vaccine, at some point we have to redefine our normal amd get to it. Where is your evidence that this is happening? 12 states have unemployment below 4%. I believe that's the threshhold for effectively zero unemployment. Several others are hovering right in that range. Who is sitting around?
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2021 18:15:32 GMT
I really wish people my age and older would let go of the idea that because we did something, people today should be able to do it too. Our society is not the same. Short story is, if you can’t find enough workers, look at how you’re treating the ones you have. Amen. You already quoted the part I was going to do I'm just gonna say DITTO. I run into this with my dad and some other family members (40's and older). I've pointed out that tuition for me in the 90's is less than what kids are paying at community colleges today and I went to a public university.
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Post by Merge on May 12, 2021 18:18:51 GMT
You already quoted the part I was going to do I'm just gonna say DITTO. I run into this with my dad and some other family members (40's and older). I've pointed out that tuition for me in the 90's is less than what kids are paying at community colleges today and I went to a public university. My brother was able to work his way through college - he paid his full tuition and even had enough for rent on an apartment - from 1992-96 at a small state university working part time for UPS. No way is that possible now.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2021 18:22:35 GMT
I can't stand the "hazers" who seem to go through life saying "I had to go through shit, so should you."
Isn't it "When you know better, you do better?"
Or is that just for home gallery walls and t-shirts?
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Post by oliquig on May 12, 2021 18:29:36 GMT
You already quoted the part I was going to do I'm just gonna say DITTO. I run into this with my dad and some other family members (40's and older). I've pointed out that tuition for me in the 90's is less than what kids are paying at community colleges today and I went to a public university. My brother was able to work his way through college - he paid his full tuition and even had enough for rent on an apartment - from 1992-96 at a small state university working part time for UPS. No way is that possible now. My nephew is going to a small regional in state university, and made the choice to live at home to save money. Even with scholarships and a financial aid package, he has to take out loans. He is lucky in that he will end up with under 20K to pay back since his freshman year was covered completely by scholarships.
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Post by lizacreates on May 12, 2021 18:58:06 GMT
Also since I know I’ll get bashed, if we all sit around and expect the government to pay us to sta the home during a pandemic, amd we eventually become reliant on that since we’ll lose job skills-isn’t that communism. I mean how long do really want to ride the government money. I get it, don’t want to get the virus. But we’re past the one year mark, we’re on track with the vaccine, at some point we have to redefine our normal amd get to it. Lol. We’re communists now. None of these people are rolling in dough yet engender so much criticism. Median rent for a one-bedroom in Chicago is over $1K/month. Food and utility prices keep rising. Gasoline is over $3/gallon. The majority of businesses in my state aren’t even open and those that are, are not at full capacity. Our schools are still closed. Our vaccine rate is not even 35%. My large county alone was recently featured in NYT for being at very high risk of exposure. We have over half-a-million unemployed, reportedly the highest in the Midwest. This $300/week extra is shoring up that many lives. If it wasn’t for this and the $600/week extra last year, we’d have poverty and homeless rates in this state that’ll make anyone’s nose bleed. So, that linked Chicago Tribune commentary criticizing our governor for doing what is conscionable grossly ignores a hell of a lot of facts and consequences for the sake of denouncing Democrats. And NO! Temporary provisions for the working population during a pandemic so they don’t sink into abject poverty is not communism. I’m game anytime for political jousting, but bring a sharper knife next time.
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Post by cannmom on May 12, 2021 19:24:19 GMT
I don’t think that the unemployment shortage has been completely caused by stimulus money, but locally my DH has seen stimulus money effect many restaurant owners. He works in food distribution and many local restaurants have had people quit because” I got my stimulus money and don’t need to work now”. Employees have literally said those words to their employers. More than one has had to close or shorten hours due to a lack of employees. These are people that already had these same jobs so it’s not due to scheduling or something else about the job. They are advertising and actively looking for people. Some have said people will schedule an interview and just not show up for the interview.
Several fast food places in our area are only doing drive-thru service and I think it’s because they can run with fewer employees and it’s more cost effective overall not to have the dining room open.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on May 12, 2021 19:28:55 GMT
but locally my DH has seen stimulus money effect many restaurant owners. He works in food distribution and many local restaurants have had people quit because” I got my stimulus money and don’t need to work now”. Employees have literally said those words to their employers. More than one has had to close or shorten hours due to a lack of employees. These are people that already had these same jobs so it’s not due to scheduling or something else about the job.yes, but... don't you think those people would WANT to come back to work if they were getting paid MORE than the unemployment check is?? If their job had good benefits, etc.? If their stimulus money is enough to live on (for at the least short term), then employers have to give people some INCENTIVE to want to come back to work. A more flexible schedule, more hours, vacation time, career advancement opportunities, SOMETHING. There HAS to be *something* about the jobs that people don't like; employers just aren't finding out what it is.
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Post by 950nancy on May 12, 2021 19:39:33 GMT
I know women have been hit hard with unemployment. They are also often expected to be the one to stay home and take care of kids who have not fully returned to the classroom. I think there are lots of factors that play into unemployment.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2021 19:56:31 GMT
employers just aren't finding out what it is. I think most of them couldn't care less. They just want to go back to their pittance wages and/or shitty scheduling and they want the employees to be GRATEFUL for it.
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Post by jeremysgirl on May 12, 2021 20:05:15 GMT
If their stimulus money is enough to live on (for at the least short term), then employers have to give people some INCENTIVE to want to come back to work. A more flexible schedule, more hours, vacation time, career advancement opportunities, SOMETHING. There HAS to be *something* about the jobs that people don't like; employers just aren't finding out what it is. Well, first, if stimulus money was enough to live on, that's pretty sad. And I couldn't have said the rest better. There has to be something wrong with the job that is keeping people away. It's time for businesses to start looking at themselves and see why they can't compete.
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Post by sassyangel on May 12, 2021 20:10:00 GMT
Also since I know I’ll get bashed, if we all sit around and expect the government to pay us to sta the home during a pandemic, amd we eventually become reliant on that since we’ll lose job skills-isn’t that communism. I mean how long do really want to ride the government money. I get it, don’t want to get the virus. But we’re past the one year mark, we’re on track with the vaccine, at some point we have to redefine our normal amd get to it. No. That. Is. Not. Communism.
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Post by sassyangel on May 12, 2021 20:13:59 GMT
I don’t think that the unemployment shortage has been completely caused by stimulus money, but locally my DH has seen stimulus money effect many restaurant owners. He works in food distribution and many local restaurants have had people quit because” I got my stimulus money and don’t need to work now”. Employees have literally said those words to their employers. More than one has had to close or shorten hours due to a lack of employees. These are people that already had these same jobs so it’s not due to scheduling or something else about the job. They are advertising and actively looking for people. Some have said people will schedule an interview and just not show up for the interview. Several fast food places in our area are only doing drive-thru service and I think it’s because they can run with fewer employees and it’s more cost effective overall not to have the dining room open. Those one off stimulus payments aren’t the kind of money you can live off indefinitely. Maybe, a couple of months, at the most, in a low cost of living state. But even then at some point the money is going to run out. If *that* one off payment is perceived as better than a job, then that says something unflattering about the job, not the one off payment.
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Post by aj2hall on May 12, 2021 20:16:14 GMT
I think most of these reasons have already been mentioned, but this article explains the labor shortage and unemployment bonus really well. Bottom line - the Republican talking point that people are lazy and staying home just to collect the unemployment bonus is simply false. 1. People are still concerned about their health & Covid 2. Lots of parents, especially moms are still needed at home 3. Restaurants and hotels were hardest hit, they are now struggling to hire back workers. Other companies like Amazon and Wal-Mart already hired some of those workers at higher wages. www.nytimes.com/2021/04/16/upshot/unemployment-pandemic-worker-shortages.htmlI imagine that in the states that stopped the unemployment bonus, the labor shortage will not change dramatically.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2021 21:39:46 GMT
It's time for businesses to start looking at themselves and see why they can't compete. It makes me so glad to see us finally turning these commands back to the employers. When employees can't get jobs they're told, "Make yourself more marketable." "Look at what you're offering." "Think about how to make yourself more attractive to employers - Go back to school. Get retrained." etc. Now that employERs can't find employees - it's HIGH time we tell them "Make yourself more marketable." "Look at what you're offering." "Think about how to make yourself more attractive to EMPLOYEES - Offer better schedules. Offer better benefits. "
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Post by aj2hall on May 12, 2021 21:58:34 GMT
It's time for businesses to start looking at themselves and see why they can't compete. It makes me so glad to see us finally turning these commands back to the employers. When employees can't get jobs they're told, "Make yourself more marketable." "Look at what you're offering." "Think about how to make yourself more attractive to employers - Go back to school. Get retrained." etc. Now that employERs can't find employees - it's HIGH time we tell them "Make yourself more marketable." "Look at what you're offering." "Think about how to make yourself more attractive to EMPLOYEES - Offer better schedules. Offer better benefits. "Maybe now is the time to tell them to pull themselves up by their bootstraps, too.
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Post by jeremysgirl on May 12, 2021 22:06:50 GMT
It's time for businesses to start looking at themselves and see why they can't compete. It makes me so glad to see us finally turning these commands back to the employers. When employees can't get jobs they're told, "Make yourself more marketable." "Look at what you're offering." "Think about how to make yourself more attractive to employers - Go back to school. Get retrained." etc. Now that employERs can't find employees - it's HIGH time we tell them "Make yourself more marketable." "Look at what you're offering." "Think about how to make yourself more attractive to EMPLOYEES - Offer better schedules. Offer better benefits. "That is a perfect bit of deliciousness. I have to say, having been through a recession with two job losses and losing everything, I'm a bit resentful of employers treating employees however they want to thinking that there will be no repercussions for them. I am enjoying probably far more than I should this alternate reality.
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Post by cannmom on May 12, 2021 23:44:12 GMT
I don’t think that the unemployment shortage has been completely caused by stimulus money, but locally my DH has seen stimulus money effect many restaurant owners. He works in food distribution and many local restaurants have had people quit because” I got my stimulus money and don’t need to work now”. Employees have literally said those words to their employers. More than one has had to close or shorten hours due to a lack of employees. These are people that already had these same jobs so it’s not due to scheduling or something else about the job. They are advertising and actively looking for people. Some have said people will schedule an interview and just not show up for the interview. Several fast food places in our area are only doing drive-thru service and I think it’s because they can run with fewer employees and it’s more cost effective overall not to have the dining room open. Those one off stimulus payments aren’t the kind of money you can live off indefinitely. Maybe, a couple of months, at the most, in a low cost of living state. But even then at some point the money is going to run out. If *that* one off payment is perceived as better than a job, then that says something unflattering about the job, not the one off payment. I agree that it’s not enough to live off. These are employees that had worked these jobs for awhile, it’s restaurant work, so not the most desirable or high paying. They hadn’t left before for other jobs though.
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Post by cannmom on May 12, 2021 23:52:04 GMT
but locally my DH has seen stimulus money effect many restaurant owners. He works in food distribution and many local restaurants have had people quit because” I got my stimulus money and don’t need to work now”. Employees have literally said those words to their employers. More than one has had to close or shorten hours due to a lack of employees. These are people that already had these same jobs so it’s not due to scheduling or something else about the job.yes, but... don't you think those people would WANT to come back to work if they were getting paid MORE than the unemployment check is?? If their job had good benefits, etc.? If their stimulus money is enough to live on (for at the least short term), then employers have to give people some INCENTIVE to want to come back to work. A more flexible schedule, more hours, vacation time, career advancement opportunities, SOMETHING. There HAS to be *something* about the jobs that people don't like; employers just aren't finding out what it is. I think everyone would like to be paid more. These small Mom & Pop companies aren’t getting rich by keeping their pay low. Most of them can’t afford to offer benefits like insurance. It’s absolutely cost prohibitive. In order to raise employee wages and offer benefits they would have to raise prices significantly. It’s a vicious cycle.
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Post by java on May 12, 2021 23:53:16 GMT
It is $300 per week not per month.
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Post by aj2hall on May 13, 2021 0:31:55 GMT
I know restaurants in particular are struggling with labor shortages. Just a couple of points 1. Restaurants had problems hiring and keeping workers pre-pandemic. There’s always been a high turnover rate. 2. Both high end restaurants as well as the fast food chains are struggling to hire workers 3. It’s not all about the money - stress, hours etc are all contributing factors. If you worked in a restaurant pre covid, but then had the opportunity to work for amazon or another warehouse for more $, benefits, better hours, guaranteed work week etc, wouldn’t you take that? 4. The demand for restaurant employees has increased significantly, restaurants need to increase wages or benefits to compete. The problem isn’t that they can’t hire anyone, they can’t hire anyone at the wages and benefits they’re offering.
5. Especially post covid, there’s no job security working in a restaurant. 6. Last year when the unemployment bonus was $600, double what it is now, 7 million people still returned to work. www.wsj.com/articles/restaurants-serve-up-signing-bonuses-higher-pay-to-win-back-workers-11619359201www.cnn.com/2021/05/10/economy/labor-shortages-pay-gaps/index.htmlBusinesses that say they have a hard time finding the workers they need, should really include the qualifier, "at the wages I want to pay," Sheirholz said.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on May 13, 2021 0:50:41 GMT
Also since I know I’ll get bashed, if we all sit around and expect the government to pay us to sta the home during a pandemic, amd we eventually become reliant on that since we’ll lose job skills-isn’t that communism. I mean how long do really want to ride the government money. I get it, don’t want to get the virus. But we’re past the one year mark, we’re on track with the vaccine, at some point we have to redefine our normal amd get to it. You are about as tone deaf as a rock. People are not staying home “just to live off the government” it’s not a forever thing—and the stimulus payments are doing what they are supposed to be doing—stimulating the economy. Is “Normal” to have 4000 deaths a day due to a virus that is beatable with vaccinations and time?
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on May 13, 2021 0:51:30 GMT
It's not just about the wage, Julie. It's about the SCHEDULE. Too many of these companies give workers too few hours/week to make it. And/or they change schedule every week and don't notify you until late the previous week. Making it impossible for people with parents to care for or children to care for or even students with class schedules. If employers want employees, they need to start treating them like humans, not necessary evils. I know all about the schedule. I was a single mom for many years. It sucked finding childcare, making ends meet on my wage. But that’s not a pandemic issue. It’s an economy issue. It’s a workforce issue. It’s why I’m pushing my kids to gain a marketable skill whether that be a university for my science kid or a trade fit my disabled kid. So they aren’t flipping the damn burgers. But even still, if my kid went to work at White Castle, she’s making more than I ever have in my life. Not really. It’s the company’s refusing to pay a living wage issue.
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Post by miominmio on May 13, 2021 8:43:40 GMT
Also since I know I’ll get bashed, if we all sit around and expect the government to pay us to sta the home during a pandemic, amd we eventually become reliant on that since we’ll lose job skills-isn’t that communism. I mean how long do really want to ride the government money. I get it, don’t want to get the virus. But we’re past the one year mark, we’re on track with the vaccine, at some point we have to redefine our normal amd get to it. You obviously have zero knowledge about political systems, now do you?
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