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Post by pixiechick on Jul 16, 2021 20:45:04 GMT
Jen Psaki admitted the administration was working with Facebook to remove what they (the WH) deems misinformation. Here’s the exact quote from the press briefing. 1. The White House is only flagging vaccine misinformation posts. We are in the middle of a public health crisis. 99% of the people dying from covid are unvaccinated and 98% of those in hospitals are unvaccinated. Some hospitals are overwhelmed in areas where there are surges. 2. Facebook is flagging or removing the posts, not the White House3. 65% of the vaccine misinformation posts have been tracked back to 12 users who have been banned from other social media platforms www.npr.org/2021/05/13/996570855/disinformation-dozen-test-facebooks-twitters-ability-to-curb-vaccine-hoaxes4. Interesting that the Republicans complaining like Josh Hawley had no problems with former attacking the media as "fake" news and radical left wing media, failing NYT etc. Maybe if people still trusted media to provide accurate information we wouldn't have as big of a problem with anti -vaxxers. Or perhaps, maybe Senators like Ron Johnson could stop spreading their own vaccine mis-information. Or maybe, if former had publicly received the vaccine instead of in secret, revealed 2 months later. It's incomprehensible to me that Republicans are contributing to the deaths of their own base. 5. Facebook is a private company free to remove or flag posts. Americans are entitled to free speech, but not free speech on social media platforms. And there are restrictions on free speech - yelling fire in a crowded movie theater for example. Falsehoods and misinformation about vaccines are a public health threat. 6. The White Hose is not "merging" with facebook. 7. The White House collaborating with facebook is not fascism. Heres the definition of fascism, according to Merriam-Webster fas·cism | \ ˈfa-ˌshi-zəm also ˈfa-ˌsi- \ Definition of fascism 1 often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition 2 : a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control early instances of army fascism and brutality — J. W. Aldridge Ironic that those crying fascim now (when it is clearly not) remained silent about former's fascist and autocratic tendencies. Accuse others of what you are guilty of. www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/press-briefings/2021/07/15/press-briefing-by-press-secretary-jen-psaki-and-surgeon-general-dr-vivek-h-murthy-july-15-2021/In terms of actions, Alex, that we have taken — or we’re working to take, I should say — from the federal government: We’ve increased disinformation research and tracking within the Surgeon General’s office. We’re flagging problematic posts for Facebook that spread disinformation. We’re working with doctors and medical professionals to connect — to connect medical experts with popular — with popular — who are popular with their audiences with — with accurate information and boost trusted content. So we’re helping get trusted content out there. On your comments: Your point number 2 contradicts your point number 1. The White House can not both be flagging the posts and NOT flagging the posts. 3. Flagging speech for banning is an attack on the first amendment. 4. Calling out when news reports get it so painfully wrong and correcting it is no where near banning speech. The distrust of media comes from their own actions. THEY created that distrust all on their own. Here's a list from a former investigative correspondent in the Washington bureau for CBS News Media Mistakes in the Trump Era: The Definitive List
5. Speech that was recently banned proved to be true after all. Discussing that the virus came from a lab in Wuhan was banned speech on social media. Until it was shown PUBLICALLY to be true. And from the Fauci emails we now know that they knew way back when they were banning that speech. The news of information found on Hunter's laptop was banned speech on social media. Before the election it was ATTEMPTED to dismiss it as "Russian disinformation". After the election they finally admitted what some officials were blowing the whistle on... that it was NOT "Russian disinformation" it was real. Banning discussion because your party doesn't like it is beyond alarming. How are you going to react when Republicans come back in office and do that? We are supposed to be able to discuss ideas and let the better ones rise to the top. You can not get to the correct answers and better ideas when you ban discussions. 6. The White House has flat out stated that they're working with social media to ban free speech. 7. From your definition "2 : a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control" Working with any social media platform to ban speech is THAT exactly. Just as one example. The Biden administration has now only ADMITTED that they're working with social media to make an attack on free speech. More likely than not, they had already been doing it. It's getting really hard to deny it anymore. And one of the problems is that they have shown they are not trustworthy in what and why they ban speech. They ban speech that hurts them, the Biden campaign and their narrative, in any way. |
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Post by sunshine on Jul 16, 2021 21:32:12 GMT
Jen Psaki admitted the administration was working with Facebook to remove what they (the WH) deems misinformation. Here’s the exact quote from the press briefing. 1. The White House is only flagging vaccine misinformation posts. We are in the middle of a public health crisis. 99% of the people dying from covid are unvaccinated and 98% of those in hospitals are unvaccinated. Some hospitals are overwhelmed in areas where there are surges. 2. Facebook is flagging or removing the posts, not the White House 3. 65% of the vaccine misinformation posts have been tracked back to 12 users who have been banned from other social media platforms www.npr.org/2021/05/13/996570855/disinformation-dozen-test-facebooks-twitters-ability-to-curb-vaccine-hoaxes4. Interesting that the Republicans complaining like Josh Hawley had no problems with former attacking the media as "fake" news and radical left wing media, failing NYT etc. Maybe if people still trusted media to provide accurate information we wouldn't have as big of a problem with anti -vaxxers. Or perhaps, maybe Senators like Ron Johnson could stop spreading their own vaccine mis-information. Or maybe, if former had publicly received the vaccine instead of in secret, revealed 2 months later. It's incomprehensible to me that Republicans are contributing to the deaths of their own base. 5. Facebook is a private company free to remove or flag posts. Americans are entitled to free speech, but not free speech on social media platforms. And there are restrictions on free speech - yelling fire in a crowded movie theater for example. Falsehoods and misinformation about vaccines are a public health threat. 6. The White Hose is not "merging" with facebook. 7. The White House collaborating with facebook is not fascism. Heres the definition of fascism, according to Merriam-Webster fas·cism | \ ˈfa-ˌshi-zəm also ˈfa-ˌsi- \ Definition of fascism 1 often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition 2 : a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control early instances of army fascism and brutality — J. W. Aldridge Ironic that those crying fascim now (when it is clearly not) remained silent about former's fascist and autocratic tendencies. Accuse others of what you are guilty of. www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/press-briefings/2021/07/15/press-briefing-by-press-secretary-jen-psaki-and-surgeon-general-dr-vivek-h-murthy-july-15-2021/In terms of actions, Alex, that we have taken — or we’re working to take, I should say — from the federal government: We’ve increased disinformation research and tracking within the Surgeon General’s office. We’re flagging problematic posts for Facebook that spread disinformation. We’re working with doctors and medical professionals to connect — to connect medical experts with popular — with popular — who are popular with their audiences with — with accurate information and boost trusted content. So we’re helping get trusted content out there.
According to Psaki, the Biden administration is flagging posts on Facebook that it deems misinformation and meeting regularly with Facebook. What the hell do you think they're doing with those flagged posts?
Let's be clear: Biden is using a private company to do what the government doesn't have the right to do legally-shut down free speech. The Biden administration wants to create the information, monitor the information, and control the information and they'll use outside means to achieve that. What does that sound like?
As for your comment about the White House isn't removing the posts, Facebook is: no shit.
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Post by onelasttime on Jul 16, 2021 21:34:20 GMT
Here’s the exact quote from the press briefing. 1. The White House is only flagging vaccine misinformation posts. We are in the middle of a public health crisis. 99% of the people dying from covid are unvaccinated and 98% of those in hospitals are unvaccinated. Some hospitals are overwhelmed in areas where there are surges. 2. Facebook is flagging or removing the posts, not the White House3. 65% of the vaccine misinformation posts have been tracked back to 12 users who have been banned from other social media platforms www.npr.org/2021/05/13/996570855/disinformation-dozen-test-facebooks-twitters-ability-to-curb-vaccine-hoaxes4. Interesting that the Republicans complaining like Josh Hawley had no problems with former attacking the media as "fake" news and radical left wing media, failing NYT etc. Maybe if people still trusted media to provide accurate information we wouldn't have as big of a problem with anti -vaxxers. Or perhaps, maybe Senators like Ron Johnson could stop spreading their own vaccine mis-information. Or maybe, if former had publicly received the vaccine instead of in secret, revealed 2 months later. It's incomprehensible to me that Republicans are contributing to the deaths of their own base. 5. Facebook is a private company free to remove or flag posts. Americans are entitled to free speech, but not free speech on social media platforms. And there are restrictions on free speech - yelling fire in a crowded movie theater for example. Falsehoods and misinformation about vaccines are a public health threat. 6. The White Hose is not "merging" with facebook. 7. The White House collaborating with facebook is not fascism. Heres the definition of fascism, according to Merriam-Webster fas·cism | \ ˈfa-ˌshi-zəm also ˈfa-ˌsi- \ Definition of fascism 1 often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition 2 : a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control early instances of army fascism and brutality — J. W. Aldridge Ironic that those crying fascim now (when it is clearly not) remained silent about former's fascist and autocratic tendencies. Accuse others of what you are guilty of. www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/press-briefings/2021/07/15/press-briefing-by-press-secretary-jen-psaki-and-surgeon-general-dr-vivek-h-murthy-july-15-2021/In terms of actions, Alex, that we have taken — or we’re working to take, I should say — from the federal government: We’ve increased disinformation research and tracking within the Surgeon General’s office. We’re flagging problematic posts for Facebook that spread disinformation. We’re working with doctors and medical professionals to connect — to connect medical experts with popular — with popular — who are popular with their audiences with — with accurate information and boost trusted content. So we’re helping get trusted content out there. On your comments: Your point number 2 contradicts your point number 1. The White House can not both be flagging the posts and NOT flagging the posts. 3. Flagging speech for banning is an attack on the first amendment. 4. Calling out when news reports get it so painfully wrong and correcting it is no where near banning speech. The distrust of media comes from their own actions. THEY created that distrust all on their own. Here's a list from a former investigative correspondent in the Washington bureau for CBS News Media Mistakes in the Trump Era: The Definitive List
5. Speech that was recently banned proved to be true after all. Discussing that the virus came from a lab in Wuhan was banned speech on social media. Until it was shown PUBLICALLY to be true. And from the Fauci emails we now know that they knew way back when they were banning that speech. The news of information found on Hunter's laptop was banned speech on social media. Before the election it was ATTEMPTED to dismiss it as "Russian disinformation". After the election they finally admitted what some officials were blowing the whistle on... that it was NOT "Russian disinformation" it was real. Banning discussion because your party doesn't like it is beyond alarming. How are you going to react when Republicans come back in office and do that? We are supposed to be able to discuss ideas and let the better ones rise to the top. You can not get to the correct answers and better ideas when you ban discussions. 6. The White House has flat out stated that they're working with social media to ban free speech. 7. From your definition "2 : a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control" Working with any social media platform to ban speech is THAT exactly. Just as one example. The Biden administration has now only ADMITTED that they're working with social media to make an attack on free speech. More likely than not, they had already been doing it. It's getting really hard to deny it anymore. And one of the problems is that they have shown they are not trustworthy in what and why they ban speech. They ban speech that hurts them, the Biden campaign and their narrative, in any way. Is it attack on Free Speech? From William & Mary.. “Shouting fire in a crowded theater" is a popular analogy for speech or actions made for the principal purpose of creating panic. The phrase is a paraphrasing of Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr.'s opinion in the United States Supreme Court case Schenck v. United States in 1919, which held that the defendant's speech in opposition to the draft during World War I was not protected free speech under the First Amendment of the United States Constitution. The case was later partially overturned by Brandenburg v. Ohio in 1969, which limited the scope of banned speech to that which would be directed to and likely to incite imminent lawless action (e.g. a riot).[1] The paraphrasing differs from Holmes's original wording in that it typically does not include the word falsely, while also adding the word "crowded" to describe the theatre.[2] The original wording used in Holmes's opinion ("falsely shouting fire in a theatre and causing a panic") highlights that speech that is dangerous and false is not protected, as opposed to speech that is dangerous but also true.”
The original limitation put on the Freedom Of Speech in a court case in 1919 as bolded above. “ Speech that is dangerous and false is not protected”. Granted in 1969 the court limited what speech was not protected but that was then and this is now the age of internet. Dangerous misinformation spreads like wildfire and can lead to people dying across the country. In fact I believe one of the Justices was voicing his concern about the amount of misinformation that was being spread not too long ago. So while you may go on about it’s an attack on Freedom of Speech I look at it as “speech that is dangerous and false” and will most certainly lead to people dying. I suspect if a case involving misinformation regarding the pandemic should make its way to the Supreme Court the 1969 ruling may be revised back to the 1919 ruling that “speech that is deemed dangerous and false” is not protected speech. The idea that any of the Amendments should not have any limitations placed on them is not only dumb but highly irresponsible. So we are going to disagree. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jul 16, 2021 22:48:19 GMT
Nothing but the best for his supporters…. 😀 The grift is on and if doesn't get you, the coronavirus will!! GOP voters are being fleeced and even killed by the conservative grift 'machine': columnist Matthew Chapman July 16, 2021 On Friday, writing for The Washington Post, columnist Paul Waldman drew a parallel between GOP activists hawking marked-up Chinese "Freedom Phones" and the anti-vaccination propaganda echoing throughout right-wing media. Both, he argued, are part of the same scam to profit off of the outrage of their supporters — and their supporters are paying the price. "There's no telling how many Donald Trump superfans will fall for [Freedom Phones], but they're a nearly infinitely minable resource, whether the goals of the elite conservatives targeting them are economic, political, or both," wrote Waldman. "That's also the way to understand the sweeping campaign against COVID-19 vaccination that has overtaken the right. While conservative politicians and media figures are causing increased death and suffering among their own supporters, they're doing so because it serves their most important goal: Keep the machine running." He then explained how scams run rampant throughout the right-wing political world, as conservative grifters have worked tirelessly to separate Trump supporters from their hard-earned cash. www.rawstory.com/scam-targeting-trump-supporters/ |
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Post by aj2hall on Jul 16, 2021 23:07:24 GMT
OK, just to clarify. The White House is drawing attention to posts that are false or misleading. They are not marking the posts or removing them. Your first amendment rights are not protected online on a platform owned by a private company. In addition, speech that is dangerous and false is not protected. There is no proof that the virus came from the lab in Wuhan, they are still investigating. If information regarding the vaccine changes, Facebook can change its policy on vaccine misinformation posts then. Facebook changed its policy regarding the origin of the virus as the information changed. There's no reason for Facebook to stop flagging or removing posts with vaccine misinformation or falsehoods because information might change. The White House working with facebook is still not merging. There is no combining, uniting, coalescing or blending. www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/mergingDefinition of merge transitive verb 1 : to cause to combine, unite, or coalesce (see COALESCE sense 2) merged the two companies 2 : to blend gradually by stages that blur distinctions individuality and uniqueness are merged and blurred — Norman Kelman 3 archaic : to plunge or engulf in something : IMMERSE If you think the Biden Administration is acting authoritarian, why didn't you call out former when he did exactly that? |
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Post by onelasttime on Jul 17, 2021 0:19:03 GMT
Joe Manchin is an ass. I regret that I can’t tell that to his face.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jul 17, 2021 0:23:45 GMT
Just read that.  |
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Post by aj2hall on Jul 17, 2021 0:36:51 GMT
I would like to point out again that the Republicans protesting the White House & Facebook, as per usual, have not offered any useful suggestions for how to fight misinformation or how to increase vaccination rates. Their only role seems to be objecting and blocking.
As Biden said today (I'm paraphrasing) The only pandemic in the US is in the unvaccinated.
I wish Republican voters and supporters of former could see clearly how former and other Republicans do not care about them.
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Post by onelasttime on Jul 17, 2021 1:46:20 GMT
Dear Facebook,
That’s all nice, but what exactly are you doing to rid your site of all the misinformation posts on the vaccine?
Sincerely,
The American People
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Post by pixiechick on Jul 17, 2021 2:12:34 GMT
OK, just to clarify. The White House is drawing attention to posts that are false or misleading. They are not marking the posts or removing them. Your first amendment rights are not protected online on a platform owned by a private company. In addition, speech that is dangerous and false is not protected. There is no proof that the virus came from the lab in Wuhan, they are still investigating. If information regarding the vaccine changes, Facebook can change its policy on vaccine misinformation posts then. Facebook changed its policy regarding the origin of the virus as the information changed. There's no reason for Facebook to stop flagging or removing posts with vaccine misinformation or falsehoods because information might change. The White House working with facebook is still not merging. There is no combining, uniting, coalescing or blending. www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/mergingDefinition of merge transitive verb 1 : to cause to combine, unite, or coalesce (see COALESCE sense 2) merged the two companies 2 : to blend gradually by stages that blur distinctions individuality and uniqueness are merged and blurred — Norman Kelman 3 archaic : to plunge or engulf in something : IMMERSE If you think the Biden Administration is acting authoritarian, why didn't you call out former when he did exactly that? The White House working with facebook is still not merging. There is no combining, uniting, coalescing or blending. www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/mergingDefinition of merge transitive verb 1 : to cause to combine, unite, or coalesce (see COALESCE sense 2) merged the two companies 2 : to blend gradually by stages that blur distinctions individuality and uniqueness are merged and blurred — Norman Kelman 3 archaic : to plunge or engulf in something : IMMERSE No one gives a damn how you parse the words.* The fact is that Biden is attempting to go around the first amendment by using big tech to silence free speech. That is horrifying and if they succeed in weaponizing Facebook/Twitter/etc. to blow up the first amendment what are you going to do when a Republican gets in office and uses it to shut you up and push their own horrifying narrative or agenda? *Although I would say that Biden is in fact "uniting" with Facebook. That is what Jen Psaki described. If you think the Biden Administration is acting authoritarian, why didn't you call out former when he did exactly that? I may have, if I agreed with the assessment. You'd have to show a specific issue you're talking about, because in general I either have when I agreed that he was wrong, or didn't agree with the conclusion the Peas came to, or thought enough people covered it so I didn't say anything. or wasn't around at the time. So if you have something specific and want to link a discussion on it, I'll take a look. Oh, wait... I guess whataboutism is only bad when I do it. |
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Post by pixiechick on Jul 17, 2021 2:19:16 GMT
I would like to point out again that the Republicans protesting the White House & Facebook, as per usual, have not offered any useful suggestions for how to fight misinformation or how to increase vaccination rates. Their only role seems to be objecting and blocking. As Biden said today (I'm paraphrasing) The only pandemic in the US is in the unvaccinated. I wish Republican voters and supporters of former could see clearly how former and other Republicans do not care about them. I would like to point out again that the Republicans protesting the White House & Facebook, as per usual, have not offered any useful suggestions for how to fight misinformation or how to increase vaccination rates. Their only role seems to be objecting and blocking. The same way they've always said ever since the left started trying to cancel those they disagreed with... You fight bad ideas with more speech, not by silencing them. Justice Brandeis (a Democrat): "More speech, not enforced silence" |
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Post by aj2hall on Jul 17, 2021 2:21:04 GMT
No one gives a damn how you parse the words.* The fact is that Biden is attempting to go around the first amendment by using big tech to silence free speech. That is horrifying and if they succeed in weaponizing Facebook/Twitter/etc. to blow up the first amendment what are you going to do when a Republican gets in office and uses it to shut you up and push their own horrifying narrative or agenda? *Although I would say that Biden is in fact "uniting" with Facebook. That is what Jen Psaki described. I may have, if I agreed with the assessment. You'd have to show a specific issue you're talking about, because in general I either have when I agreed that he was wrong, or didn't agree with the conclusion the Peas came to, or thought enough people covered it so I didn't say anything. or wasn't around at the time. So if you have something specific and want to link a discussion on it, I'll take a look. Oh, wait... I guess whataboutism is only bad when I do it. Semantics and whataboutism are OK for you to argue, but no one else. Got it. |
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Post by pixiechick on Jul 17, 2021 2:27:49 GMT
There is no proof that the virus came from the lab in Wuhan, they are still investigating. If information regarding the vaccine changes, Facebook can change its policy on vaccine misinformation posts then. Facebook changed its policy regarding the origin of the virus as the information changed. There's no reason for Facebook to stop flagging or removing posts with vaccine misinformation or falsehoods because information might change. You need to be able to question the science. That's what discussion and debate is for, to find the better ideas and the right solutions. To shut down discussion is tyrannical. Bottom line -if you can not discuss it and question it, it's not science, it's propaganda. |
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Post by pixiechick on Jul 17, 2021 2:29:01 GMT
No one gives a damn how you parse the words.* The fact is that Biden is attempting to go around the first amendment by using big tech to silence free speech. That is horrifying and if they succeed in weaponizing Facebook/Twitter/etc. to blow up the first amendment what are you going to do when a Republican gets in office and uses it to shut you up and push their own horrifying narrative or agenda? *Although I would say that Biden is in fact "uniting" with Facebook. That is what Jen Psaki described. I may have, if I agreed with the assessment. You'd have to show a specific issue you're talking about, because in general I either have when I agreed that he was wrong, or didn't agree with the conclusion the Peas came to, or thought enough people covered it so I didn't say anything. or wasn't around at the time. So if you have something specific and want to link a discussion on it, I'll take a look. Oh, wait... I guess whataboutism is only bad when I do it. Semantics and whataboutism are OK for you to argue, but no one else. Got it. Sorry no, that was your criticism for me. You began that line of thinking. |
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Post by aj2hall on Jul 17, 2021 2:29:39 GMT
I would like to point out again that the Republicans protesting the White House & Facebook, as per usual, have not offered any useful suggestions for how to fight misinformation or how to increase vaccination rates. Their only role seems to be objecting and blocking. The same way they've always said ever since the left started trying to cancel those they disagreed with... You fight bad ideas with more speech, not by silencing them. Justice Brandeis (a Democrat): "More speech, not enforced silence" The problem is that President Biden and his administration could talk until they're blue in the face. Supporters of former will not believe anyone in the administration or the mainstream media. Former created so much distrust in the media, Democrats and science. Some of that mistrust may have been there previously but he increased it exponentially. Sadly, another part of the problem is that many people rely on social media for their news. |
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Post by aj2hall on Jul 17, 2021 2:31:31 GMT
There is no proof that the virus came from the lab in Wuhan, they are still investigating. If information regarding the vaccine changes, Facebook can change its policy on vaccine misinformation posts then. Facebook changed its policy regarding the origin of the virus as the information changed. There's no reason for Facebook to stop flagging or removing posts with vaccine misinformation or falsehoods because information might change. You need to be able to question the science. That's what discussion and debate is for, to find the better ideas and the right solutions. To shut down discussion is tyrannical. Bottom line -if you can not discuss it and question it, it's not science, it's propaganda. Feel free to question the vaccine with any scientifically proven, peer reviewed study. Anecdotes are not proof. The administration is not trying to shut down debate, only combat misinformation on 1 platform. |
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Post by pixiechick on Jul 17, 2021 2:55:01 GMT
The same way they've always said ever since the left started trying to cancel those they disagreed with... You fight bad ideas with more speech, not by silencing them. Justice Brandeis (a Democrat): "More speech, not enforced silence" The problem is that President Biden and his administration could talk until they're blue in the face. Supporters of former will not believe anyone in the administration or the mainstream media. Former created so much distrust in the media, Democrats and science. Some of that mistrust may have been there previously but he increased it exponentially. Sadly, another part of the problem is that many people rely on social media for their news. The media and democrats increased distrust exponentially with their own words and actions. And they're sealing the deal with this tyrannical/authoritarian action. |
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Post by sunshine on Jul 17, 2021 10:39:52 GMT
You need to be able to question the science. That's what discussion and debate is for, to find the better ideas and the right solutions. To shut down discussion is tyrannical. Bottom line -if you can not discuss it and question it, it's not science, it's propaganda. Feel free to question the vaccine with any scientifically proven, peer reviewed study. Anecdotes are not proof. The administration is not trying to shut down debate, only combat misinformation on 1 platform. Keep up-Psaki has already said that anyone banned/deleted on one platform should be banned/deleted on all platforms. This is just the beginning.
Oh, it's only 12 people. Who cares, it's only 1 platform. Hey, it's for the greater good. Look over there, remember Trump?
Your reaction to this is exactly what they're hoping for. A little here and there and nobody will notice or care. How'd that work out for China, Venezuela, and Cuba?
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Post by aj2hall on Jul 17, 2021 12:11:41 GMT
Feel free to question the vaccine with any scientifically proven, peer reviewed study. Anecdotes are not proof. The administration is not trying to shut down debate, only combat misinformation on 1 platform. Keep up-Psaki has already said that anyone banned/deleted on one platform should be banned/deleted on all platforms. This is just the beginning.
Oh, it's only 12 people. Who cares, it's only 1 platform. Hey, it's for the greater good. Look over there, remember Trump?
Your reaction to this is exactly what they're hoping for. A little here and there and nobody will notice or care. How'd that work out for China, Venezuela, and Cuba?
You might have more ground to stand on if you had raised the alarm about Trump’s increasingly authoritarian tactics, discussions of a coup and an attempted insurrection. But, you remained silent and were OK with all of that, so save your outrage. Monitoring your posts, drawing attention to ones with dangerous vaccine misinformation on Facebook or any other social media platforms is not an infringement of your freedom of speech. Facebook and other social media platforms are all privately owned companies. They have the right to flag or remove posts that they deem inappropriate or dangerous. Don’t like it? Then don’t use social media. Furthermore, there are restrictions to your freedom of speech, including speech that is dangerous. |
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Post by sunshine on Jul 17, 2021 12:53:50 GMT
Keep up-Psaki has already said that anyone banned/deleted on one platform should be banned/deleted on all platforms. This is just the beginning.
Oh, it's only 12 people. Who cares, it's only 1 platform. Hey, it's for the greater good. Look over there, remember Trump?
Your reaction to this is exactly what they're hoping for. A little here and there and nobody will notice or care. How'd that work out for China, Venezuela, and Cuba?
You might have more ground to stand on if you had raised the alarm about Trump’s increasingly authoritarian tactics, discussions of a coup and an attempted insurrection. But, you remained silent and were OK with all of that, so save your outrage. Monitoring your posts, drawing attention to ones with dangerous vaccine misinformation on Facebook or any other social media platforms is not an infringement of your freedom of speech. Facebook and other social media platforms are all privately owned companies. They have the right to flag or remove posts that they deem inappropriate or dangerous. Don’t like it? Then don’t use social media. Furthermore, there are restrictions to your freedom of speech, including speech that is dangerous. You can keep looking in the rear view mirror at Trump and allow yourself to be blinded to what's coming head on. Talk about Trump until you're blue in the face, they're hoping for it. The way you continue to ignore the fact the Biden administration is using a private company, today and now, to do it's dirty work shows your ignorance.
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Post by onelasttime on Jul 17, 2021 14:11:23 GMT
You might have more ground to stand on if you had raised the alarm about Trump’s increasingly authoritarian tactics, discussions of a coup and an attempted insurrection. But, you remained silent and were OK with all of that, so save your outrage. Monitoring your posts, drawing attention to ones with dangerous vaccine misinformation on Facebook or any other social media platforms is not an infringement of your freedom of speech. Facebook and other social media platforms are all privately owned companies. They have the right to flag or remove posts that they deem inappropriate or dangerous. Don’t like it? Then don’t use social media. Furthermore, there are restrictions to your freedom of speech, including speech that is dangerous. You can keep looking in the rear view mirror at Trump and allow yourself to be blinded to what's coming head on. Talk about Trump until you're blue in the face, they're hoping for it. The way you continue to ignore the fact the Biden administration is using a private company, today and now, to do it's dirty work shows your ignorance.
How is it “dirty work” to work with a private company to remove verified misinformation about a virus that has killed over 600,000 in roughly 18 months and is still killing people and verified misinformation about a vaccine that either prevents people from getting the virus or minimizes the symptoms if they should get it from their platform? Or are you one of those trump supporters that shares on of trump’s traits of not caring what happens to other people unless it happens to you? |
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Post by onelasttime on Jul 17, 2021 14:15:23 GMT
The Republicans bitch and bitch about the Democrats wanting to spend money on helping people and saving the environment but have no problems wasting tax payer money on things like the stunt they pulled in Arizona…
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jul 17, 2021 14:17:36 GMT
With ONLY 182 questionable ballots!!!!!!!!!
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jul 17, 2021 14:30:32 GMT
You lost, get over it!!
Former was raging at FOX last night about the AZ info!! I must have missed the AZ Senate info...(rolling eyes)
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Post by sunshine on Jul 17, 2021 15:15:16 GMT
You can keep looking in the rear view mirror at Trump and allow yourself to be blinded to what's coming head on. Talk about Trump until you're blue in the face, they're hoping for it. The way you continue to ignore the fact the Biden administration is using a private company, today and now, to do it's dirty work shows your ignorance.
How is it “dirty work” to work with a private company to remove verified misinformation about a virus that has killed over 600,000 in roughly 18 months and is still killing people and verified misinformation about a vaccine that either prevents people from getting the virus or minimizes the symptoms if they should get it from their platform? Or are you one of those trump supporters that shares on of trump’s traits of not caring what happens to other people unless it happens to you? Trump, again. That's so lazy.
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Post by onelasttime on Jul 17, 2021 15:30:41 GMT
How is it “dirty work” to work with a private company to remove verified misinformation about a virus that has killed over 600,000 in roughly 18 months and is still killing people and verified misinformation about a vaccine that either prevents people from getting the virus or minimizes the symptoms if they should get it from their platform? Or are you one of those trump supporters that shares on of trump’s traits of not caring what happens to other people unless it happens to you? Trump, again. That's so lazy.
Lazy ? How so? You seem to have a problem with President Biden working with private social media companies to remove misinformation about the vaccine. You call it “dirty work”. A move that I see as helping people not get the virus. So I asked the question how is what President Biden doing “dirty work”? Which brings up another question, why won’t you answer the original question? |
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Post by aj2hall on Jul 17, 2021 15:33:06 GMT
You might have more ground to stand on if you had raised the alarm about Trump’s increasingly authoritarian tactics, discussions of a coup and an attempted insurrection. But, you remained silent and were OK with all of that, so save your outrage. Monitoring your posts, drawing attention to ones with dangerous vaccine misinformation on Facebook or any other social media platforms is not an infringement of your freedom of speech. Facebook and other social media platforms are all privately owned companies. They have the right to flag or remove posts that they deem inappropriate or dangerous. Don’t like it? Then don’t use social media. Furthermore, there are restrictions to your freedom of speech, including speech that is dangerous. You can keep looking in the rear view mirror at Trump and allow yourself to be blinded to what's coming head on. Talk about Trump until you're blue in the face, they're hoping for it. The way you continue to ignore the fact the Biden administration is using a private company, today and now, to do it's dirty work shows your ignorance.
If you think Trump is in the rear view mirror, you are the one showing ignorance. Like it or not, he is very much in control of the Republican Party today. Love how conservatives and Republicans are all for free markets, deregulation etc except when it negatively affects them. |
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Post by aj2hall on Jul 17, 2021 15:46:19 GMT
This was posted on another thread but bears repeating. www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/press-briefings/2021/07/16/press-briefing-by-press-secretary-jen-psaki-july-16-2021/MS. PSAKI: We don’t take anything down. We don’t block anything. Facebook and any private-sector company makes decisions about what information should be on their platform. Our point is that there is information that is leading to people not taking the vaccine, and people are dying as a result. And we have a responsibility, as a public health matter, to raise that issue. The responsibility we all have — the government, media platforms, public messengers — to give accurate information. |
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Post by hop2 on Jul 17, 2021 15:47:05 GMT
With ONLY 182 questionable ballots!!!!!!!!! and if I’m reading the story correctly they were already marked as questionable by the regular election officials no? Let’s spend millions to learn what we already know…. |
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