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Post by malibou on May 18, 2021 15:25:50 GMT
Once again, I'm going to look terrible. š I expect my friends to respect my feelings on such a topuc, as I respect theirs. Therefore in this case I would expect to be warned that ole pastor Chris had stopped by for a minute, so I could delay my arrival. And that if that didn't happen, it was fair game. Old pastor chris: Do you have a relationship with jesus? Me: hahahaha, here we go! Nope! And please please let's talk about why. - and then trust me, it gets worse and worse. miominmio you and I could have a good old time, and let's invite garcia5050 friend. š
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Post by femalebusiness on May 18, 2021 15:35:12 GMT
I learned decades ago that I am under no obligation to be polite to someone who is rude. Proselytizing is beyond rude. Besides, I am sure it pisses Jesus off when it is done in his name.
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Post by scrapmaven on May 18, 2021 15:40:21 GMT
I don't engage. MYOB. Since he's a pastor I would be respectful the first time, but I would also tell him that I won't be discussing religion today. If he pressed I would probably excuse myself and go home. I'm very blunt w/people who try to convert me, but I also know that this is his behavior, no matter how rude and I can't change him anymore than he can change me. That's why I'd just leave. Dude, I've quit better jobs than this.
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Post by mikklynn on May 18, 2021 15:45:39 GMT
The typical F*** off has a nice ring to it. That was my first thought. In reality, I'd just say you have your beliefs, I have mine.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on May 18, 2021 15:47:08 GMT
I would have a very hard time staying polite. On the instances I have met people who try to push religion on me (Norway is very secular, but we have a bible belt along the South coast, and not being the right kind of Christian in that area can be difficult. And Iām Norse pagan, not even Christian š), they usually start with something along the Ā«these are the end of timesĀ». Oh, that is a true gift for someone obsessed with historyš¤£ I hit them with all the times their people have believed that before, then I move on to all the horrible things christians have done to polytheists over the centuries. They usually leave pale faced before I even get so far as to start dissecting their holy book. Religion and politics should not be discussed in polite company, and if they choose to go down that road, the gloves come off. I had a friend who was super knowledgeable about the Bible yet was completely atheist. He does this exact same thing and I swear he could turn true most avid bible goer into an atheist. This is my brother!! Atheist to the core, but knowāreally knows the Bible and history!
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Post by myboysnme on May 18, 2021 15:51:00 GMT
Catholics the world over have a hard time convincing non Catholics that they are Christian. Catholics know they are from the faith Jesus himself established. So as a Catholic I rely on the fact many people know really nothing about the Catholic faith and I say as you did, I'm Catholic. I repeat until the topic shifts.
Anyway now I'm basically atheist while keeping a few Catholic traditions, but I haven't gone there with very religious people. Nothing good can come from it.
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on May 18, 2021 15:54:58 GMT
āNo, but I have a close, personal relationship with the Devil.ā
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(As Iām constantly reminded here, it is a big, damn country. I just canāt imagine....but Iām glad I have an answer now, just in case.)
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2021 16:05:59 GMT
āNo, but I have a close, personal relationship with the Devil.ā[mic drop] (As Iām constantly reminded here, it is a big, damn country. I just canāt imagine....but Iām glad I have an answer now, just in case.)
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Post by MissBianca on May 18, 2021 16:08:19 GMT
I would have a very hard time staying polite. On the instances I have met people who try to push religion on me (Norway is very secular, but we have a bible belt along the South coast, and not being the right kind of Christian in that area can be difficult. And Iām Norse pagan, not even Christian š), they usually start with something along the Ā«these are the end of timesĀ». Oh, that is a true gift for someone obsessed with historyš¤£ I hit them with all the times their people have believed that before, then I move on to all the horrible things christians have done to polytheists over the centuries. They usually leave pale faced before I even get so far as to start dissecting their holy book. Religion and politics should not be discussed in polite company, and if they choose to go down that road, the gloves come off. Can we be friends?!? Iām seriously fangirling over here. Lol
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Post by Merge on May 18, 2021 16:17:55 GMT
"Yes, and he told me to stay far away from you."
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"I'm a heathen. You should probably stay six paces away in case now is the time God decides to smite me."
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2021 16:18:29 GMT
This thread reminds me of the video where a guy is saying "sir, sir, can I have a moment of your time.' You can hear him start to run and say 'I'd like to talk to you about our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ."
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Post by RedSquirrelUK on May 18, 2021 16:19:02 GMT
Hmm. I'm also British and I agree with gar's reaction, because religion is not a subject for dinner-time conversation in our culture until you really get to know people. (Culture? Is that the right word?) Having said that, I am a Christian so my response would have been "yes, thank you". If he pushed it, I might have started talking about my job as well. Because that's what he was doing. Not appropriate where I live. Are you expecting your friends to include the pastor in the party again?
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Post by StephDRebel on May 18, 2021 16:51:49 GMT
Our most aggressive pastor was while my aunt was dying in hospice. He came in and asked if he could pray with the family and they said Ok, thinking that someone had invited him. He then started asking about her personal history and her relationship with Christ and then tried to sit around asking about her medical treatment and next steps.
My husband asked to speak to him in the hallway and when he followed him out he took him by the neck of his coat and escorted him to his car. It was the first time he had really met that side of my family and at every family gathering since we've laughed about the way he introduced himself by bouncing the pastor like he was security at a strip club.
He is their favorite.
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Post by pinklady on May 18, 2021 17:09:26 GMT
This thread reminds me of the video where a guy is saying "sir, sir, can I have a moment of your time.' You can hear him start to run and say 'I'd like to talk to you about our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ." š¤£šš¤£šš¤£ I love this version http://instagram.com/p/CNxtb51jx7E
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Post by Spongemom Scrappants on May 18, 2021 17:10:20 GMT
I went to high school in NC and spent a lot of my adult life living in the south or visits family in the south (NC, TN, GA, TX). I am a lapsed Catholic. Iāve never had anyone be more than welcoming when inviting me to church or asking where I went to church. Iāve never received any pushback when declining. Thatās not to say there are not more pushy/aggressive members, but in almost 40 years Iāve not run across them. As a guest in someone elseās home I would have replied to āthatās not an answerā with āthatās the only answer I have for you.ā Then if it persisted I would tell him I was not interested in a discussion my relationship with God/Jesus/deity of choice and change the subject. I am snarky by nature, but as a guest at a dinner, I would not be inflaming the discussion with snark. This is where manners (especially in the south) can be useful. Iāve lived in the south my whole life (Alabama, Mississippi, Florida, Virginia, and South Carolina). Thereās a very strong religious presence here, but if youāre not a Protestant with fairly fundamental beliefs, believe the bible to be the absolute truth, and āaccept Jesus into your heart,ā it doesnāt count. Questions about where you go to church, whether you are āsaved,ā and whether you believe abortion to be evil are not at all uncommon. In general, itās been quite easy to deflect all that and just refuse to engage... with excruciating politeness because it IS the south. By the way, Iāve noted several posters seeming to imply that he deserved an extra degree of respect or politeness as a minister. I disagree. Itās simply a profession to me as a non-believer as any other profession would be. I would respond with good manners to anyone.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2021 17:23:59 GMT
In reality, I'd just say you have your beliefs, I have mine. But they're not his "beliefs". They're his "TRUTHS!!!" Black and white thinking. "My interpretation of my favorite book is the ONLY TRUTH!!!" I know I've told this before, but I'll say it again. He's saving you from the "Invisible Train": ------- I think they think they're 'loving' people by proselytizing - even rudely. Here's the analogy I use. This was about parents and LGBTQ children. But substitute 'Christian' for 'parent'... The parent and child are crossing a railroad track. The parent is behind the child a bit. All of a sudden the parent pushes the child across the tracks to the far side while running back across the tracks to the near side. The child is severely injured by the push/fall after landing on the far side of the tracks. The parent is uninjured having run but not fallen to the near side of the tracks. The parent recrosses the track to the child. The child has a broken arm, cuts, is bleeding profusely, etc. The child looks at the parent in horror. "Call 911! I'm going to faint. Why did you do that?!?!?!" The parent looks at the child lovingly. "There was a train coming and I pushed you out of its path - you could have DIED!" The child weakly moans "There was no train." The parent whispers "It was invisible." The invisible train (i.e., THEIR INTERPRETATION OF THEIR FAVORITE HOLY BOOK), that only certain religious people can see. But they act on it as if it's real and the rest of us can be hurt by it. When, in fact, we are only hurt by their actions "protecting us" from the invisible train.
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Post by craftedbys on May 18, 2021 17:28:17 GMT
GAR, in the Southern portion of the US. It is not uncommon for a new person in a town to be bombarded with invitations to church in grocery stores and when banking. The common question is "Have you found a church home yet" Next popular attempt to snag you is "I'm a member of xxx church and we would love to have you visit". These offers are all made by people you've never met before. I personally think there might be prizes for whoever gets the new people. Like whoever ropes in the most new people in a year gets a trip to Myrtle Beach. It So much yes. When we first moved back to the area our new next door neighbors came over to introduce themselves. They were very friendly, but after the questions about where we were from and how many kids we had the wife invited me to their Southern Baptist church. I politely thanked them for the gracious invitation and declined saying we are Catholic and already have a church we go to. The woman never said another word to me. Ever. And we lived there for the next seven years.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2021 18:04:41 GMT
The woman never said another word to me. Ever. And we lived there for the next seven years. Ah, Christian fellowship. Of course, according to many evangelicals, Catholics aren't Christian, so no reason to be kind I guess.
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Post by magellen on May 18, 2021 18:10:16 GMT
We havenāt had Mormons since I told the āIām so glad youāre here, my god requires a virgin sacrifice, but that wouldnāt work in this situation. I think a good ābless your itty bitty heartā would serve you well.
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Post by sassyangel on May 18, 2021 18:17:30 GMT
Ugh, honestly evangelical *anything* drives me insane now, whether it be - Christian, atheist, vegan, MLMer, animal, vegetable, mineral, any of it. Unless I ask because I want to know (and sometimes I do if the person seems reasonable and without agenda), I donāt really want to engage otherwise, lol. Lessons learned. š
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Post by bc2ca on May 18, 2021 18:17:55 GMT
I might say "I did until he lost his way and started hanging out too much with pastors who spend their parishioners tithes on private jets, yachts and multiple megamansions".
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Post by CarolinaGirl71 on May 18, 2021 18:21:09 GMT
Dh and I were visiting some friends in NC; their pastor was at their home when we arrived. Do you think this was coincidental to your visit, or was it a setup? I always reply with "I do not discuss religion and politics in polite company" with a smile. If they ask again, I reply with the same answer and the same smile. If they continue, I ask if they do not understand my request, again with a smile. I don't play into their game. I am thinking you were set up by your friends, and it was extremely rude of them to let you be ambushed. I would think it would be fine if, in a conversation, your friends asked if you would like to meet and talk to their pastor, and they should accept a yes or a no as a final answer. I think you should let your friends know you do not want to talk to their pastor (assuming that you don't).
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Post by basketdiva on May 18, 2021 18:21:19 GMT
GAR, in the Southern portion of the US. It is not uncommon for a new person in a town to be bombarded with invitations to church in grocery stores and when banking. The common question is "Have you found a church home yet" Next popular attempt to snag you is "I'm a member of xxx church and we would love to have you visit". These offers are all made by people you've never met before. I personally think there might be prizes for whoever gets the new people. Like whoever ropes in the most new people in a year gets a trip to Myrtle Beach. It I lived on the Gulf Coast for 4 years ans Texas 4 years and were never annoyed like that. Sure a couple of times when we first got their were said if we needed a church, here's ours. More like an open invite. If we told people were Catholic, they didn't push the subject.
I've never met a pastor ( went to a baptist College) who asked that question immediately after meeting me. How exetremely rude-especially to hound visitors they will not probably see again.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2021 18:21:26 GMT
I might say "I did until he lost his way started hanging out too much with pastors who spend their parishioners tithes on private jets, yachts and multiple megamansions". That's when some wonderful "men of God" are not spending their time abusing the children/members of the congregation. Google "pastor arrested" or "pastor charged" and "abuse". Quite an eyeful.
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Post by smcast on May 18, 2021 18:30:22 GMT
"I don't know you well enough to feel comfortable discussing such personal matters." After that, I'd either change subject completely or fire back "20 questions" to shift attention off of me. I'd be having a talk with my friend too, if she didn't change subject.
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Post by gar on May 18, 2021 19:10:16 GMT
The woman never said another word to me. Ever. And we lived there for the next seven years. How very gracious and christ-like.
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Post by RosieKat on May 18, 2021 19:18:38 GMT
Maybe something like "Yes, I do, but it's between me and Him."
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Post by rickmer on May 18, 2021 20:37:42 GMT
i would be taken aback... religion is very personal here and the only people i could imagine being that aggressive to butt into my biz are the guys standing on a street corner waving the bible around and screaming at everyone walking by. or jehovah's witness observers going door-to-door to convince others they need to be saved.
as a matter of fact, the only time i can recall being asked about my religion outwardly is by new canadians - but when i give a response of "i was not really raised religious" and change the subject, none have pushed any further.
if someone were to push, i guess i would fall back on "i respect your right to choose your views and beliefs, please respect mine". and then change the subject. or leave.
that's so weird, if i were your friend, i would be horrified that a member of my clergy was rude to my friend.
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Post by magellen on May 18, 2021 21:14:26 GMT
The funny thing about this? I have a few Mormon friends and none of them have ever pushed their belief on me , even the door knockers were polite( I just wanted off their list).
The worst ones are the mega-church goers, the ones that have children with them and 7th day adventists. The megas seem to have no trouble attacking my Catholic and mormon neighbors.
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Post by librarylady on May 18, 2021 21:30:39 GMT
The funny thing about this? I have a few Mormon friends and none of them have ever pushed their belief on me , even the door knockers were polite( I just wanted off their list). The worst ones are the mega-church goers, the ones that have children with them and 7th day adventists. The megas seem to have no trouble attacking my Catholic and mormon neighbors. Did you mean Jehovah Witness and confuse the name?
I've never known an Adventist to knock on doors.
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