PaperAngel
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Post by PaperAngel on May 20, 2021 4:58:05 GMT
Posts/discussions on this board sometimes reference the average or typical scrapper. What is your definition? How are you the same or different than your perception of the “average scrapper?” TIA.
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Post by ScrapbookMyLife on May 20, 2021 6:27:12 GMT
I don't think I fall into the "average" category, because I scrapbook what I like and I don't follow trends or fads. Stickers, patterned paper, matted photos, no or very little journaling, double sided photo squares. I describe my scrapbook style as "old school" and have been scrapbooking the same style since I started in 1996.
I am single, and have been asked more than once "what do you scrapbook, since you have no kids?. I scrapbook my life...(pre-covid) >> nights out with friends, concert, lunch date with Niece, my cat, wandering about, festival in park, home stuff (perfect day-book-hot tea-nap, etc...).
There is such a wide variety of people who scrapbook, I'm not sure that there is an average scrapbooker.
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Post by Night Owl on May 20, 2021 6:34:06 GMT
I think the average scrapbooker when they buy scrapbook supplies don't pay attention to brand names or scrapbook designers like we do. Some of them only buy Creative Memories products and are not even aware of what is in the stores.
Years ago when the scrapbook magazines were popular I gave some of mine to my mom to read. She didn't even know what to do with them, she bought her scrapbook albums at Hallmark and used mainly stickers so the ideas in magazines like CK were foreign to her.
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Post by myboysnme on May 20, 2021 13:28:55 GMT
I am going to say it has changed and that what I am seeing is the average scrapper is the following:
Married with high school children or older. Grandmas, but not as many grandmothers as I would expect.
Creative Memories user, either primarily or exclusively.
Still gets excited about punches and techniques like borders and paper piecing.
Scraps 12x12 2 page spread
Has no idea about what the industry looked like in its heyday, who name scrappers were or are, magazines and the desire to get published, blogs or you tubers. They follow people like Megan Jacks who shows them how to use their new tools.
They formula scrap by copying tutorials step by step. They love classes that show them exactly what to put where. If everyone's page looks the same no problem.
They use die cut machines.
They still find socializing a key enticement to the hobby.
How am I different? In almost every way. I scrap 8.5x11 primarily. I use all products. I scrap to tell my stories. I do not view tutorials. I do my own thing. I do not socialize. I am very productive comparatively.
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Post by chendra on May 20, 2021 15:29:41 GMT
I'm not sure, because I don't know any scrappers in "real life" and I have never been to a crop. You all are my people 😊
However, I did check out r/scrapbooking on Reddit for a bit and most of it seemed to be Creative Memories style, with deco scissors and photos cut into shapes with multiple photos on a page. I'm thinking that might represent the "average scrapper"--tried and true style.
ETA:This observation was not intended to disparage Creative Memories or any particular style of scrapping. It was an impression of a style I had after visiting an online group other than this one. My apologies to anyone I may have offended.
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Post by sleepingbooty on May 20, 2021 15:40:03 GMT
I'm not sure, because I don't know any scrappers in "real life" and I have never been to a crop. You all are my people 😊 Samesies! I have never met a scrapbooker IRL. The "old-timey" American scrapbookers with their page kits that people discuss in here are a total mystery to me. Heck, I don't even know what a page kits looks like. The Peas are my reference.
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Post by oh yvonne on May 20, 2021 15:46:05 GMT
I'm not sure, because I don't know any scrappers in "real life" and I have never been to a crop. You all are my people 😊 However, I did check out r/scrapbooking on Reddit for a bit and most of it seemed to be Creative Memories style, with deco scissors and photos cut into shapes with multiple photos on a page. I'm thinking that might represent the "average scrapper"--tried and true style. Gosh I really think ones take depends on where you check in at. I'm part of the RTS Facebook group and there are a lot of us. The vast majority are boomer/gen X empty nesters, lots of grandmothers. Also everyone seems to be like me, old school TwoPeas style scrappers who keep up on all the trends and love to shop.
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Post by don on May 20, 2021 16:03:14 GMT
Female, with not enough time.
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Post by scrappyrabbit on May 20, 2021 16:03:26 GMT
I disagree that the CM style scrapper is the average scrapper now-a-days. From what I see on the internet (here, youtube, instagram), the average scrapper uses a lot of product per page, uses a lot of layering, and a lot of embellishing. I don't know any scrappers in real life, other than my mom who hasn't scrapped in like 20 years though. Now she is into her cricut and makes cards and other things with her cricut.
Also, people who knock CM should really head over to their website. Their paper designs and embellishments are lovely and on trend. I just don't like the price and the thinness of the paper.
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Post by chendra on May 20, 2021 16:15:46 GMT
I disagree that the CM style scrapper is the average scrapper now-a-days. From what I see on the internet (here, youtube, instagram), the average scrapper uses a lot of product per page, uses a lot of layering, and a lot of embellishing. I don't know any scrappers in real life, other than my mom who hasn't scrapped in like 20 years though. Now she is into her cricut and makes cards and other things with her cricut. Also, people who knock CM should really head over to their website. Their paper designs and embellishments are lovely and on trend. I just don't like the price and the thinness of the paper. Oh I hope my comment didn't come off as knocking CM! That was not my intent at all. I wasn't sure how to describe what I was seeing. Maybe I should have said "classic" CM? Do we think the "average scrapper" is active in online groups? Is what we see in online groups representative of the scrapbooking community?
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Post by scrappyrabbit on May 20, 2021 16:39:02 GMT
I disagree that the CM style scrapper is the average scrapper now-a-days. From what I see on the internet (here, youtube, instagram), the average scrapper uses a lot of product per page, uses a lot of layering, and a lot of embellishing. I don't know any scrappers in real life, other than my mom who hasn't scrapped in like 20 years though. Now she is into her cricut and makes cards and other things with her cricut. Also, people who knock CM should really head over to their website. Their paper designs and embellishments are lovely and on trend. I just don't like the price and the thinness of the paper. Oh I hope my comment didn't come off as knocking CM! That was not my intent at all. I wasn't sure how to describe what I was seeing. Maybe I should have said "classic" CM? Do we think the "average scrapper" is active in online groups? Is what we see in online groups representative of the scrapbooking community? No, it's just that I don't see anyone scrapping in the old-school CM style any more. But again, I don't know any scrappers in real life. I've never been to a crop, etc.
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Post by jenna on May 20, 2021 16:40:07 GMT
When I think of "average scrapbooker" I think of 2 different people.
Average in general, they're the ladies at my LSS who only scrap 12x12. They don't keep up with new lines but are excited to see new stuff in stores, but also don't understand why you would use pocket pages or add so much "stuff" to your pages.
Then there's the average computer literate scrapbooker. They're following brands and specific artists on Instagram, they keep up with new releases, maybe use lots of cut files. They're the more "modern" idea of the average scrapbooker.
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Post by grammadee on May 20, 2021 17:05:49 GMT
Is there such a thing as an "average scrapbooker"? We all scrapbook for our own reasons, in our own style, with materials we have or can purchase. We find friends--either in person or on line--with people who have similar interests to our own. We learn from them and pick up techniques and designs and other ideas from the people we gravitate to.
One of the scrapbook magazines did a survey a few years ago about what type of scrapbooker we are, but I have no idea where to find that. But these are just some of the ways we vary:
WHY do we scrapbook? To document the past? The present? Tell stories? Play with paper? Artistic drive? For fun or a relaxation from a busy life? To prevent boredom from an UNbusy life?
HOW do we scrapbook? With paper and glue? Digitally? PL pockets? Clean & Simple? Layered and poofy? ALL the products and trends? With lots of photos or one per page? What size page? Do our own thing? Electronic cutters or stickers & purchased diecuts? Use mixed media? Or lots of glitter? Or nothing wet and messy?
WHAT do we scrapbook? Our everyday lives? Special events? Precious memories? Dates and facts? Feelings? Impressions? Our take on the world as it was, or is?
WHERE do we scrapbook? At home? In a designated studio or room or corner? On the dining room table? Only at crops?
WHEN do we scrapbook? When the mood strikes? Whenever we can? Every day? On evenings &/or weekends? Mornings? Afternoons? Late at night?
Am I average? I have no idea. As Willie Nelson says in his song, "Woke Up Still Not Dead Again Today, "I've never been accused of being NORMAL, anyway..."
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Post by kmage on May 20, 2021 17:51:01 GMT
I think I've said this here before, but I kind of divvy up scrapbookers into two categories. The ones that like it and do it every now and again, perhaps make a book for a birth or special trip, and those who are #obsessedwithscrapping lol. Most of the people I know who scrapbook are in the latter category. We talk about scrapbooking or cardmaking incessantly, gather with others to play with paper, (virtually or in person, doesn't matter) I LOVE paper arts. Scrapping and card making are how I express myself. I don't know how to define "average" because for me, you have either drank the paper koolaid, or you haven't.
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Post by msliz on May 20, 2021 18:11:50 GMT
Female, with not enough time. I know this was offered up as a joke, but it's pretty accurate! When I go to crops, the scrappers are 55 and older, "catching up" on their children's albums or scrapping grandchildren, and not spending a ton of time on journaling but getting the basics on the page. More than half are tech savvy and bring electronic cutters. Most stamp for cards but not for layouts. On their pages, they layer, make clusters, add enamel dots. Pages are multi-photo. Most are 2 pagers. Most shun mixed media for reasons of time and ease. They shop and they're down to scrap. They vacation together at scrap retreats. But having said that, I'm not sure these ladies are representative of the average scrapper. Or are they? Lately I'm only meeting ones that are as over the top as me, or more so. The ones who weren't so into it quit scrapbooking years ago.
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Post by kmage on May 20, 2021 18:22:27 GMT
The ones who weren't so into it quit scrapbooking years ago. Maybe this is what I am seeing? As it becomes harder to access supplies (online is hard for scrapbookers, as we tend to want to touch that paper) and LSS have closed up, maybe you have to be a die hard scrapbooker to have kept going this long? I remember someone posted an article ( grammadee maybe??) about kind of entry into the scrapbooking world, it was sort of a "here's how to get into it, it is not hard, you can do your own thing" kind of article. I thought it was cool, because I think for some people, jumping into ACOT or scrapbook.com is super intimidating. I brought someone to Archivers back in the day and they were like, "nope" due to the sheer size. In retrospect, I should have maybe just given them a kit instead of being like, "Here's my world! Have at it!"
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Post by lisacharlotte on May 20, 2021 20:45:42 GMT
I have a local LSS and there are quite a few crops that happen in my community. Just based on my experience in a largish city:
Age: the two big groups seem to be equally split between moms of school age kids and grandmas. Outliers are no kids or adult kids/no grandkids.
Type: Two page layouts. Usually I’m the only one doing PL. I do occasionally see someone doing DD, WITL, DITL. I see more card makers now.
Technology: few digital scrappers. Most EVERYONE has a cutting machine (Cricut/Silhouette) and makes elaborate scenes for their pages. Also the portable Epson printer is popular for printing photos.
Scrappy celebs: the majority seem to be aware of at least one or two big names. Some have no clue the inspiration that is out there.
Demographic: white. I rarely see WOC and never a man of any color. The majority seem to be college educated, typically teachers or medical professionals. Not surprising since this hobby consists of using discretionary spending to support it. It’s a bit disheartening since this hobby can be done with minimal supplies.
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Post by pinklady on May 20, 2021 21:27:26 GMT
I thought this was an easy answer until I started reading the posts and thinking, yeah that’s true on each. Now, I don’t think the “average scrapper” exists! 😆
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Post by kitbop on May 20, 2021 21:38:15 GMT
The ones who weren't so into it quit scrapbooking years ago. As to what an "average" scrapper is - do you mean most common type scrapper? I'd say 1. multi-photo scrapbooker, 1 or 2 pages 2. enjoys shopping, gravitates to themed lines and likes matching embellies 3. uses layers and tends towards pp backgrounds 4. aware of a few "celebs" but doesn't look overly hard for online input - happy with their style.
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Post by cmpeter on May 20, 2021 22:35:24 GMT
I agree...I don't think there is an average scrapper. I'm in a group of about 10 that scrap together. We have a couple who do PL, a digital scrapper, traditional 12x12 scrappers, a couple that do a variety of all of the above.
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Post by myboysnme on May 20, 2021 23:34:40 GMT
No, it's just that I don't see anyone scrapping in the old-school CM style any more. My POV about CM is because I have been scrapping with CM scrappers since 1999 but I have never used a CM album in my life. I own about 3 CM tools - a corner rounder, a wave cutter my friend gave me, and a scallop border punch I just won at a CM NSD crop. I now regularly/at least once a month scrap with the customers of at least 5 CM consultants. I on the other hand buy everyone's product, CM and every one else's as well. I've attended every convention and expo within driving distance of my area since 2001, have worked for vendors at conventions and taken classes with Lisa Bernson, Renee Lindgren and other former names in the hobby. I worked in an LSS for 7 years in the mid 2000's. Current CM product is equal to anything I can buy elsewhere in regard to paper and stickers. And the CMers I scrap with are not really using deco scissors and cropping photos into shapes much any more. They are formula scrapping, putting lots of photos on a page and using CM product pretty much exclusively. They are not inking, stamping, misting, or chalking. They are punching, piecing and layering. I am not bashing CM style at all. I am saying the average scrapper I know is a CM scrapper. In my area we now have zero LSS in I believe the entire state. In the heyday a 30 mile radius we had 15 LSS. All are long gone. CM is it for touching product. Michaels is down to 4 aisles - one paper, one albums, one stickers and one tools plus die cut machines. Hobby Lobby is about an hour away. I will be going to CKC in July. I haven't missed a convention or expo since the first one held within a day's drive of my house. I see who is buying and what they are buying. Card making and stamping has I believe exceeded scrapping photos and memorabilia. Many vendors cater to stampers. Of course I'm not familiar with what is going on in Utah, Arizona and California where scrapbooking had a huge presence and influence. Everything may be going strong there. But where I am, even in regard to this board, I only know one local person who is still on this board and I don't think she is scrapping anymore. Used to be I knew tons of local scrappers on the boards.
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Post by AussieMeg on May 21, 2021 1:02:07 GMT
Also, people who knock CM should really head over to their website. Their paper designs and embellishments are lovely and on trend. Wow, I just checked out their site and there is some lovely stuff - it's certainly changed a LOT since the last time I bought anything CM back in the late 90s! AND they do digital stuff!!! There is a lovely summer kit that I'd like to buy, but it is waaaaaaaay overpriced. It's $22 AUD, which is three times what I would normally pay for a digital kit with the same amount of papers / elements.
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Post by scrappyem on May 21, 2021 11:16:13 GMT
I wish I had known about the community when I first tried scrapbooking in 2003. I made one book for my wedding and that was it (I still have it despite being divorced, it's fun to look back on the style) and then didn't do any more until I discovered PL in 2012 and the online community/resources through blogs. I wonder if more people would be into if they knew there are more options/styles than just what the big box stores offer. I'd guess there are more big-box scrappers than us, who use the bound albums and a more "traditional style", CM or otherwise here in the US. Definitely skews white, 50 and up, and has kids/grandkids. There's still an LSS about an hour from me that over the years has shifted more & more into mixed media, Tim Holtz, and carries cutesy style brands I'm less familiar with and then has a bunch of old stock from the last 4-5 years. They do a ton of card classes these days. My IRL friends love seeing my albums and I encourage at least printing photos, but I have yet to bring anyone into our fold sadly.
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Post by simplyparticular on May 21, 2021 12:47:37 GMT
Can there be “average” scrapper if scrapping isn’t a trendy hobby anymore?
I don’t know anyone who scrapbooks IRL. I occasionally run into people in the paper crafting aisles at Joann or Tuesday morning, but when we chat, few are scrapbookers. They think of themselves as stampers, artist card traders, greeting card makers, planners, bullet journalers, Cricut users or paper crafters. The shift in aisle space at big box stores reflects that.
I’m just grateful enough paper hobbies are keeping some SB manufacturers going, although there are plenty of ex-scrappers stashes being purged to keep it going for awhile.
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Post by christinec68 on May 21, 2021 13:09:44 GMT
To me the average scrapper is someone who enjoys preserving memories with pictures and/or words in an artistic way.
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Post by Linda on May 21, 2021 19:34:02 GMT
I think what we're trying to get at is 'what is the demographic that the scrapbook companies are marketing to"
And I think they are mainly people who shop the big box stores, they might have shopped at the LSS when there was one in town but odds are, there isn't. They like pink and florals and themes and stickers. They often are scrapbooking a specific album (baby book, a trip, a wedding...) or for a particular purpose (retirement album or school days/0-18 for graduation). They don't necessary scrap for the sake of scrapping not are they especially concerned with trends or new technique - tried and true works for them. Mostly lots of photos and flatter pages. They aren't really the online shoppers, forum/blog/instagrammers. Scrapping is social, with their friends or their CM/CTMH consultants.
I think forums like us attract people who go all in on their hobby - whether by buying all things, making all the things, or just talking about all the things. We don't always stay all in...and sometimes we stay because of people/friends we've made. But I think we're a small percentage of scrapbookers in general (and I say that as someone who is probably closer to the 'average' scrapper than the cool, creative folks here.)
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Post by mbanda on May 21, 2021 19:41:22 GMT
I go to a 4-day retreat in the area twice a year with about 10-12 other ladies. We're all between 45-55 and most of us have kids high school age or beyond. A few are Grandparents. We're all married and have money to spend on this hobby. We have a "real" scrapbook store near us/the retreat and we usually get both big scrapbook conventions in our area (Scrapbook Expo and Great American Scrapbook). I see the full spectrum of scrapping amongst our group. A couple (like me) know the scrapping celebrities, and influencers, frequent message boards, follow lots of Instagram pages and like to try new products and trends. But we also like to make cards and mini books and use some page kits and sketches. We do 2-page layouts, 1-page layouts, lots of journaling, no journaling - whatever floats our boat! We take classes at conventions and watch YouTube tutorials for new techniques. A few are PL scrappers and they love it and are perfectly happy just using the divided page protectors & journaling cards. They love to just get it done! A few love to use their Cricut for every page and make elaborate titles and paper piercings. Some are very "theme" oriented. I love themed products too! I think it's so hard to define the "average scrapper". I also don't think one way is better than another to scrap. Scrapbooking does two things for me - 1) Its' a creative outlet. I love to play with pretty paper and design pages. 2) It's a way to preserve my memories. All this to say I'm just thankful I have a group in real life that still loves to get together in person and create It's my happy place for sure!!
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Post by tealpaperowl on May 21, 2021 19:42:56 GMT
I'd say average is someone who crafts at least once a month. Hoards supplies lol like we all do!
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Post by artbabe on May 22, 2021 14:21:42 GMT
I do know a lot of scrappers and did go to crops pre-covid. From what I see the average scrapper is nothing like you see online.
The average scrapper I see is cardstock heavy, very themed embellishments, lots of photos per page, two-page layout. There are definitely old-school CM scrappers out there. Most of the scrappers I know can't identify products by brand and seldom buy collections. They are unaware of internet scrappers and buy most of their stuff from Michael's, Joanne, or Hobby Lobby.
They have older children or are grandmas.
I'm not the average scrapper. Well, maybe average for 2peas, but not the general scrapping population. I'm older, but single, and I'm scrapbook obsessed. I order online at least once a month and get excited with each new release. I check 2peas everyday and get a lot of inspiration online. Back in the heyday I had a subscription to all of the magazines and new the names of all of the scrapbook celebrities. I have spent an insane amount of money on this hobby.
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Post by jediannie on May 22, 2021 15:57:41 GMT
When I go to crops, the scrappers are 55 and older, "catching up" on their children's albums or scrapping grandchildren, and not spending a ton of time on journaling but getting the basics on the page. More than half are tech savvy and bring electronic cutters. Most stamp for cards but not for layouts. On their pages, they layer, make clusters, add enamel dots. Pages are multi-photo. Most are 2 pagers. Most shun mixed media for reasons of time and ease. They shop and they're down to scrap. They vacation together at scrap retreats. But having said that, I'm not sure these ladies are representative of the average scrapper. This is my experience as well. A lot of the people I see at crops (or used to see at crops) are middle aged and older, older kids or grandkids, big fancy embellished pages with little to no journaling. They don't follow scrappers on any social media but do follow trends set forth by online scrapbook stores or LSS's. These are the people that would come over and look at what I was doing (pocket pages, mini albums, mixed media etc) and ask tons of questions about what I was doing and how they could "never do this because it seems too limiting" or "too messy". To me the average scrapper is someone who enjoys preserving memories with pictures and/or words in an artistic way. This is perfect and concise. It encompasses all!
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