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Post by Really Red on Jun 1, 2021 14:09:44 GMT
I just cannot help but think of what is done to young athletes in the name of sport. We push these kids so hard and they become famous/wealthy at such a young age and it doesn't seem possible to handle it all. I remember a tennis star (It was Andrea somebody) whose dad had her on the courts for hours at age 2. TWO years old! I really think she is smart for doing what she is doing. Did you all see that her sister came down hard on her? It seems unbelievable. Jennifer Capriati? Oh she was one, too! I meant Andrea Jaeger. When I looked her up, Tracy Austin popped up as well. Both of them had crazy parents. I think obviously crazy parents can be anywhere (child stars, etc.), but these were really sad cases.
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Post by epeanymous on Jun 1, 2021 14:14:02 GMT
Unless I am missing something, the penalty for failing to comply with the interview contract term is a fixed amount of money, which she was willing to pay? That is how contracts work. She doesn’t owe anyone more than that.
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Post by Really Red on Jun 1, 2021 14:15:37 GMT
Another voice in the 'status quo is more important than change chorus' pipes in....  This post from that idiot, Candace Owens, is exactly why Osaka is smart to take a break. I am flabbergasted at the need that some people have to publicly criticize someone who has, quite literally, ZERO to do with them. For those of you who say media is a part of her job. I agree. The media absolutely made her into a high-earning darling. Isn't there something wrong with that as well? I think back at some of the recent media about Jennifer Love Hewitt and the questions that she was asked as a young teen about her breasts. What is wrong that we, as a society, feel that those are appropriate questions to ask anyone, much less a young kid?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2021 14:19:26 GMT
Media - social, news outlets, print, etc - is the sticks, kindle, flame, and fuel of our world. And it needs to be out out.
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Post by elaine on Jun 1, 2021 14:19:35 GMT
She's only 23, right? I'm trying to picture my 21 year old with bipolar handling this situation. And I'm thinking it's not going to be nearly as diplomatic as a 46 year old me would handle it. Maybe that's wrong. Maybe I give a whole lot of grace that sometimes isn't warranted. But I can understand the excitement she felt about the tournament. Emotions running high. Wanting to do the thing. And then getting cold feet. It doesn’t even have to be cold feet. She could have thought she was doing better mentally and then realizing she was wrong and she couldn’t handle it. Or, she was okay and her mental status changed fairly quickly. Both of these things have happened to me countless times, and I’m a lot older with a lot more experience with being mentally ill. Yes. Athletes withdraw at the last moment all. the. time - even during the tournament- because of a physical injury that has come on suddenly or THAT THEY THOUGHT WOULD BE BETTER/WELL ENOUGH TO PLAY WITH during the tournament. Mental health issues should be viewed through the same lens, IMO. If you (general you) aren’t going to rage against the star athletes in all the sports that withdraw/don’t play their games/matches due to physical injury, even if they don’t announce it until game day (which in most sports they actually don’t, unless it is not possible to hide, like knee surgery), then you shouldn’t rage against Naomi withdrawing for mental health reasons. Yes, people are disappointed/sad that they won’t be able to watch their favorite athlete interact with some type of ball, but I’ve never seen this type of rage before. A large part of me thinks that reaction has an unexplored misogynistic underpinning. If it were Djokavic who withdrew for mental health reasons, there would be some hoopla/complaining, but I can’t imagine this public rage that people feel free to hurl at Naomi. I also don’t see male athletes asked the same sexual innuendo questions. Yes, I’m sure there must be some out there - but not to the same degree that female athletes do. And those woman who meet society’s standards of beauty are forced to listen to and answer a lot of them. Your boss can’t ask you sexually loaded questions at the workplace - regardless that you have a contract - without there being negative consequences for him/her. The press, in these sports situations, are allowed (and some take pleasure in) to ask whatever sexual or other irrelevant questions they want to. And it isn’t to uncover some crime that is damaging society or giving voice to the unheard (valid reasons for a free press), it is solely for entertainment purposes. I don’t have a mental illness and even I wouldn’t want to sit in front of a post-game/match press conference and be the entertainment when some of the questions are so inappropriate and you don’t know when they are coming. I would feel like I entertained enough doing what I worked my life to do - perform on the court/field.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Jun 1, 2021 14:25:09 GMT
A large part of me thinks that reaction has an unexplored misogynistic underpinning. I agree and this also has to do with mental health stigma. If she had injured her wrist, it would be no big deal. But because it's her brain, well, then suddenly she's being a baby. I know you get that Elaine.
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Post by elaine on Jun 1, 2021 14:30:56 GMT
A large part of me thinks that reaction has an unexplored misogynistic underpinning. I agree and this also has to do with mental health stigma. If she had injured her wrist, it would be no big deal. But because it's her brain, well, then suddenly she's being a baby. I know you get that Elaine. Oh yes! I had hoped that that part was clear in my post too. 😀 Withdrawing due to physical injury is “understandable,” withdrawing for a mental health issue is “being a prima donna” due to the stigma. I do think that there is also a misogynistic bent to this, because I believe that if it had been Djokavic or Rafa (or another male tennis star), there wouldn’t be the same level of outrage/anger.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Jun 1, 2021 14:31:18 GMT
How everything is going well and then boom! Some obscure thing throws a wrench in. You can no longer function. You are no longer excited about xyz. Mental health can also cause severe physical problems. Just because you can doesn't mean everyone else should be able to. Yes! All of this. And I get why people with no mental health issues don't get it. How could they? They don't know that every manic/mixed episode I have starts out by me feeling nauseous. I will admit that I'm even a pain in the ass about this. I put so much pressure on myself sometimes and I'm disappointed when I can't function. Sometimes I push myself past my limits and then have real regrets about what I did. I admit to judging others sometimes too. If I can do it with the challenges that I have, surely they can too, right? So I'm empathetic to those who truly don't understand, as well. These are just good conversations to be having.
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Post by elaine on Jun 1, 2021 14:34:30 GMT
How everything is going well and then boom! Some obscure thing throws a wrench in. You can no longer function. You are no longer excited about xyz. Mental health can also cause severe physical problems. Just because you can doesn't mean everyone else should be able to. Yes! All of this. And I get why people with no mental health issues don't get it. How could they? They don't know that every manic/mixed episode I have starts out by me feeling nauseous. I will admit that I'm even a pain in the ass about this. I put so much pressure on myself sometimes and I'm disappointed when I can't function. Sometimes I push myself past my limits and then have real regrets about what I did. I admit to judging others sometimes too. If I can do it with the challenges that I have, surely they can too, right? So I'm empathetic to those who truly don't understand, as well. These are just good conversations to be having. Yes. And society as a whole wouldn’t be having them - or at least not to the same degree - if Naomi withdrew a month ago. It would have been a blip in the news and people would have moved along without thinking about, discussing and maybe making some changes due to how we treat mental health issues in the workplace.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2021 14:35:04 GMT
I agree and this also has to do with mental health stigma. If she had injured her wrist, it would be no big deal. But because it's her brain, well, then suddenly she's being a baby. I know you get that Elaine. Oh yes! I had hoped that that part was clear in my post too. 😀 Withdrawing due to physical injury is “understandable,” withdrawing for a mental health issue is “being a prima donna” due to the stigma. I do think that there is also a misogynistic bent to this, because I believe that if it had been Djokavic or Rafa ( or another male tennis star), there wouldn’t be the same level of outrage/anger. The pressure women have to be on and happy and perfect all the time needs to end. Females and males do not have the same level of mental stigma nor the same pressure of life.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2021 14:35:44 GMT
And women need to stop being assholes to each other.
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Post by hutchfan on Jun 1, 2021 14:36:50 GMT
I truly hope she gets the mental help she needs. There was a player whose name I can't remember stated about having to show up for those mandatory press meetings that when he didn't want to do them but it was in his contract that when he was asked a question he didn't want to answer he would say "I am here so I won't get fined" and he would repeat that. She could easily show up and chose what to answer and easily state if she thinks a question is inappropriate. It was pointed out that she has been doing this for years, knows the contract and she has also signed major endorsements with high profile businesses that she makes millions of dollars from and she knew this was part of her job for the tennis tournament and her major endorsements.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2021 14:40:52 GMT
I truly hope she gets the mental help she needs. There was a player whose name I can't remember stated about having to show up for those mandatory press meetings that when he didn't want to do them but it was in his contract that when he was asked a question he didn't want to answer he would say "I am here so I won't get fined" and he would repeat that. She could easily show up and chose what to answer and easily state if she thinks a question is inappropriate. It was pointed out that she has been doing this for years, knows the contract and she has also signed major endorsements with high profile businesses that she makes millions of dollars from and she knew this was part of her job for the tennis tournament and her major endorsements. Have you not read any of the replies by Elaine or Jeremysgirl?! 1. She can't just easily show up. You have no clue how mental illness works. 2. Good for him. She is not him. She is her own being. With her own conditions. And her own way of dealing with them. 3. What does experience have to do with mental health? So what if she has been doing it for years. 4. Just because it is part of the job doesn't mean it is okay or right.
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Post by epeanymous on Jun 1, 2021 14:41:13 GMT
I truly hope she gets the mental help she needs. There was a player whose name I can't remember stated about having to show up for those mandatory press meetings that when he didn't want to do them but it was in his contract that when he was asked a question he didn't want to answer he would say "I am here so I won't get fined" and he would repeat that. She could easily show up and chose what to answer and easily state if she thinks a question is inappropriate. It was pointed out that she has been doing this for years, knows the contract and she has also signed major endorsements with high profile businesses that she makes millions of dollars from and she knew this was part of her job for the tennis tournament and her major endorsements. Her “major endorsements” get to decide how to deal with her unwillingness at this tournament to do interviews and/or her withdrawal from the tournament. Her French Open contract terms presumably don’t have a clause that requires her to do interviews or lose endorsements. That’s not how this works. It’s also not how mental health works that you get to decide that someone else is capable of doing a thing despite a mental health issue because they knew in advance that they had a contract term requiring them to do it so obviously they must be capable.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2021 14:41:49 GMT
These are just good conversations to be having. I'm so grateful for the young who are FORCING us to re-examine the bullshit we've lived w/for far too long. She could easily show up and chose what to answer and easily state if she thinks a question is inappropriate. How do you DARE to presume to speak about what is "easy" for ANOTHER HUMAN?! She could answer, but to presume it would be EASY means your thinking is part of the problem.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2021 14:42:03 GMT
I truly hope she gets the mental help she needs. There was a player whose name I can't remember stated about having to show up for those mandatory press meetings that when he didn't want to do them but it was in his contract that when he was asked a question he didn't want to answer he would say "I am here so I won't get fined" and he would repeat that. She could easily show up and chose what to answer and easily state if she thinks a question is inappropriate. It was pointed out that she has been doing this for years, knows the contract and she has also signed major endorsements with high profile businesses that she makes millions of dollars from and she knew this was part of her job for the tennis tournament and her major endorsements. When one is dealing with depression or anxiety there is no way in hell they could easily just say what he said. Even with constant practice your brain is on a whole other level and in a different space and your mouth may not even work properly.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2021 14:43:15 GMT
These are just good conversations to be having. I'm so grateful for the young who are FORCING us to re-examine the bullshit we've lived w/for far too long. She could easily show up and chose what to answer and easily state if she thinks a question is inappropriate. How do you DARE to presume to speak about what is "easy" for ANOTHER HUMAN?! She could answer, but to presume it would be EASY means your thinking is part of the problem. Thank you.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2021 14:47:22 GMT
I am yet again shocked that other women think the press has a right to put down, sexual question, hurt, belittle, be rude to women who "put themselves out there and make a ton of money." Because that erases all responsibility right? They are open to any and all crap right? Or that well its always like that, it is part of her contract. Doesn't mean it is right.
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Post by hutchfan on Jun 1, 2021 14:49:40 GMT
These are just good conversations to be having. I'm so grateful for the young who are FORCING us to re-examine the bullshit we've lived w/for far too long. She could easily show up and chose what to answer and easily state if she thinks a question is inappropriate. How do you DARE to presume to speak about what is "easy" for ANOTHER HUMAN?! She could answer, but to presume it would be EASY means your thinking is part of the problem. These are not my thoughts. I was quoting what was said yesterday on the tennis channel amoungst the commentators. I am sorry I didn't make that clear enough. In school I had to get up in class to do speeches in English class and HATED IT. It was part of my grade. I know how she feels. Those press conferences are annoying and they do ask the women stupid inappropriate questions.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Jun 1, 2021 14:53:06 GMT
I had to get up in class to do speeches in English class and HATED IT. It was part of my grade. I know how she feels. I don't want this to be a pile on. But you really, really don't. Hating something, being uncomfortable with something isn't the same.
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Post by hutchfan on Jun 1, 2021 14:53:14 GMT
I didn't make my post clear. These are not my thoughts or comments. I was quoting what commentators were stating yesterday on the tennis channel. I have always thought those press conferences were stupid and they always ask the women inappropriate questions.
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Post by elaine on Jun 1, 2021 14:53:24 GMT
Let me just add that even if one responds with “that question is inappropriate,” the question is out there in the public, especially for these large televised post-match press conferences. Just being asked the question - regardless of the answer - shapes the public perception of the individual. So, women athletes are seen as promoting themselves sexually if they are asked questions by reporters about photos of them circulating in the media. How they answer, or don’t answer, doesn’t change that. The same with a variety of questions.
Men, by and large, are not asked the same questions.
Anyone who knows anything about press conferences knows that they are draining mentally. If Naomi knows that her mental health isn’t up for it, good for her for taking care of herself. She also hasn’t complained about the negative consequences for her decision, which she has paid.
I continue to find that the anger at her says more about the people who are angry and their personal biases than it does about Naomi.
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Post by dewryce on Jun 1, 2021 14:54:44 GMT
I'm so grateful for the young who are FORCING us to re-examine the bullshit we've lived w/for far too long. How do you DARE to presume to speak about what is "easy" for ANOTHER HUMAN?! She could answer, but to presume it would be EASY means your thinking is part of the problem. These are not my thoughts. I was quoting what was said yesterday on the tennis channel amoungst the commentators. I am sorry I didn't make that clear enough. In school I had to get up in class to do speeches in English class and HATED IT. It was part of my grade. I know how she feels. Those press conferences are annoying and they do ask the women stupid inappropriate questions. No, you probably don’t. Even if you have anxiety and depression, they can affect people differently.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Jun 1, 2021 14:55:42 GMT
I've always thought the obligatory post event pressers ridiculous - I can't think of a sport where they're anything but inane at best. It must be terribly difficult to be extremely talented in one area, but have difficult with some of the other aspects of the job. Unfortunately professional sports are more than just the game - and where so many of them actually make most of their money. I hope that she will be able to find a balance to the various demands of a profession she clearly excels at on the court that is also conducive to her mental health.
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Post by hutchfan on Jun 1, 2021 14:56:54 GMT
I had to get up in class to do speeches in English class and HATED IT. It was part of my grade. I know how she feels. I don't want this to be a pile on. But you really, really don't. Hating something, being uncomfortable with something isn't the same. I am sorry but I hated it and it was uncomfortable for me. I would get physically sick, break out in hives every where. It was awful. It did cause mental stress for me.
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Post by hutchfan on Jun 1, 2021 14:58:48 GMT
These are not my thoughts. I was quoting what was said yesterday on the tennis channel amoungst the commentators. I am sorry I didn't make that clear enough. In school I had to get up in class to do speeches in English class and HATED IT. It was part of my grade. I know how she feels. Those press conferences are annoying and they do ask the women stupid inappropriate questions. No, you probably don’t. Even if you have anxiety and depression, they can affect people differently. yes I probably don't know how she feels just like you don't know how I feel or felt.
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Post by dewryce on Jun 1, 2021 15:01:12 GMT
I don't want this to be a pile on. But you really, really don't. Hating something, being uncomfortable with something isn't the same. I am sorry but I hated it and it was uncomfortable for me. I would get physically sick, break out in hives every where. It was awful. It did cause mental stress for me. No one is saying it wasn’t awful for you or discounting your experience, and I’m very sorry you went through that. It still doesn’t mean you know how she feels. Depression and anxiety are a bitch in their own, but put them together?
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Post by dewryce on Jun 1, 2021 15:02:49 GMT
No, you probably don’t. Even if you have anxiety and depression, they can affect people differently. yes I probably don't know how she feels just like you don't know how I feel or felt. The difference is that I didn’t claim to know. I can tell from your last post that your reaction was extreme and must have felt horrible, especially so young; again, I’m very sorry you went through that.
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Post by hutchfan on Jun 1, 2021 15:08:09 GMT
yes I probably don't know how she feels just like you don't know how I feel or felt. The difference is that I didn’t claim to know. I can tell from your last post that your reaction was extreme and must have felt horrible, especially so young; again, I’m very sorry you went through that. I will state again I was quoting tennis commentators. These are not my feelings toward her. I DON'T know how she feels. But people here sure do like to tell me how I feel. How I should speak.
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Post by dewryce on Jun 1, 2021 15:13:12 GMT
The difference is that I didn’t claim to know. I can tell from your last post that your reaction was extreme and must have felt horrible, especially so young; again, I’m very sorry you went through that. I will state again I was quoting tennis commentators. These are not my feelings toward her. I DON'T know how she feels. But people here sure do like to tell me how I feel. How I should speak. The part about getting up in class was quoting others? I’m sorry if I misunderstood, it seemed to me (even in follow-up posts) that that particular part was personal to you.
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