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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2021 16:29:57 GMT
With sexism, sexual abuse and racism center stage. "Russell Moore, who previously led the Southern Baptist Convention’s public policy arm, recently left his position and his church for a new position at Christianity Today magazine. On his way out, two letters he sent to SBC leadership were leaked to media, in which Moore described a culture of racism and mishandling of sexual abuse claims. Since Moore’s letters were leaked, several leaders have called for a third-party investigation into how the SBC leadership has responded to the issue of sexual abuse within its churches. The letters also exposed how many institutional leaders are unable to speak openly about what is taking place inside the convention without committing professional suicide within the SBC. The Washington Post interviewed a dozen employees of SBC institutions, as well as five pastors, all of whom said they could not speak openly about what has taken place without jeopardizing their jobs.... Patterson, who in 2018 was fired from his job as president of Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary for his handling of rape allegations at seminaries, is expected to return to this year’s meeting." www.washingtonpost.com/religion/2021/06/12/southern-baptist-convention-secret-infighting-meeting/The SBC will continue to lose members and influence as it clings to the dreck of their past teachings. Already, megachurch pastor and author Rick Warren and his church have drawn ire for ordaining women: www.baptiststandard.com/news/baptists/saddleback-church-ordains-three-women-draws-criticism/Keep going backwards, SBC. You don't seem to be able to do anything else.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2021 13:24:30 GMT
"‘Our Lord Isn’t Woke.’ Southern Baptists Clash Over Their Future. " "Evangelical Christians were a regular presence in the Trump White House. They laid hands on the president as they prayed for him, stood at his shoulder as he signed executive orders, and saw vindication for their support in his antiabortion policies and conservative judicial appointments. Now, the Southern Baptist Convention, the country’s largest and most influential evangelical denomination, is at war over what direction it will take after the Trump presidency. One faction argues the SBC should step back from its role in electoral politics in order to broaden its reach and reverse a 15-year decline in membership." www.wsj.com/articles/our-lord-isnt-woke-southern-baptists-clash-over-their-future-11623439486Nah, keep on keepin' on, my (white) dudes!!
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Post by JustCallMeMommy on Jun 14, 2021 14:21:15 GMT
I'm in an area with a large Southern Baptist presence, and I grew up SB. I find the dynamics interesting. Most of the larger churches in this area at some point removed anything about the Southern Baptist Convention from their websites. I remember getting in an argument with my ex around 2006 or 2007 about whether a certain church was SB - members were acting horrible and said they were SB, but the church did not publicly claim it on their signs and web sites. They preach inclusion in the pews, but as soon as Jack and Jim want to get married, they quietly explain that they are glad to have them worship, but they can't perform the ceremony. You'll find women in minor leadership positions, but not as lead pastors or deacons.
The church I grew up in was pretty liberal as far as SB churches go. We were taught to properly study the Bible (which I strongly believe must include understanding the circumstances in which something was written), that there are grey areas, and that it is OK to question - and even prayerfully challenge - our Biblical interpretation. I think this is the biggest difference between a "good" church and one that is so rigid that the members and leadership get stuck with archaic rules that keep them stuck in the past. Time has shown that very few of my peers stayed in the SB church after we moved to other areas - in most regions, it unfortunately doesn't fit with our belief systems.
I think we'll continue to see this distancing from the SB convention and its rigid guidelines. There is nothing keeping a church in the convention like there is with other denominations that actually own the property and approve (or hire) the leadership of individual churches.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2021 5:10:13 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2021 13:53:17 GMT
The less white nationalist pastor won.
Where do the white nationalists go from here?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2021 13:55:50 GMT
"Despite the talk of unity, Southern Baptists appeared headed for a major split over the sorts of culture-war issues usually reserved for politics, such as race and gender. The internal conflict took on a particularly Trumpian tone, pitting a populist group of self-identifying "real" Southern Baptists against those they say would transform the church into something unrecognizable to many traditionalists. Beyond the presidential race, the fight over the future of the SBC played out over a series of votes on hot-button issues like the use of critical race theory, which the SBC adopted as acceptable in 2019. While conservatives had hoped to see language rejecting critical race theory, the SBC's moderate wing appears to have carried the day here, too, as a resolution was passed to reaffirm the church's position on racial reconciliation and to condemn racism." www.cnn.com/2021/06/15/politics/moderates-win-presidency-southern-baptist-convention/index.htmlIn a choice between whiteness and witness, the SBC NARROWLY chose witness. Let's see if they stick w/it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2021 14:18:47 GMT
Good background and overview here: "White evangelicals often liked to think that their theology was unimpeachable. In their view, problems arose only when they failed to faithfully bring that theology to bear on the pressing issues of the day. Perkins cut through this self-serving defense. “There’s something wrong at the root,” he said. White evangelicalism was not captured by cunning outside forces. It was rotting from the inside. Instead of Perkins’ vision of sacrificial love for community, white evangelicals promoted a privatized faith that was supposed to be a route to the good life. Rick Warren famously created a composite character to focus attention on the kind of person he wanted his church to reach. “Saddleback Sam” was a wealthy white man. Rather than listen to the warnings of Black evangelicals, white evangelicals set themselves up as the authoritative voice of God. Confident in their ownership of the gospel and their theological rectitude, white evangelicals felt emboldened to expand their influence by any means necessary. The fruit wasn’t long in coming. The movement’s relentless quest for church growth favored pragmatic and charismatic leaders rather than righteous ones. " religiondispatches.org/the-roots-of-white-evangelicalisms-crisis-are-in-white-evangelical-churches-not-republican-politics/
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Post by naby64 on Jun 16, 2021 15:03:41 GMT
As a member of a SBC and office employee, my boss/pastor is there. I can't get into all that I would like to as this is a public board and I suppose if someone wanted to, could find me here. I will just say, I had an issue with sexual assault by a member(twice) and until I threw a hissy fit (and was later told he was tired of me blowing up at him) he did nothing. Once I threw out "what if it were your wife" card and become quite emotional, he finally called the member in for a "talk". I was then ignored by that member. Fine by me at that point.
I am far to the left of what most of the members here believe so I do tend to keep my mouth shut. I do not affirm most of the comments made to me if I don't agree with what they are saying. I just look at them. I am paid too well to walk away from here. Think and say what you will of me. In this small town, I wouldn't get another job paying what I am making. I have said enough that my MoM knows my stance on several things.
When I say I shudder to think of what is coming back from this convention in my boss's mind, it is truly shudders.
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Post by casii on Jun 16, 2021 16:06:12 GMT
I'm not SB, but my dad's side of the family is as well as my DH's side of the family, so I've been following some of the twitter drama.
Apparently there was a song framed as a letter from a father to daughter about Modest being Hottest (this is a tired and oft used phrase directed at girls). One line had something about dressing more Amish and less Kardashian. Do these people know that the Amish community has it's own issues with sexual abuse? It doesn't have anything to do with what you're wearing.
Then one poor sexual abuse victim is there. She has spoken out and continues to speak out about her abuse and lack of response from leadership. Apparently some men have walked by her hissing "Slut" her way.
I can't even. Being Episcopalian isn't perfect, but it's not yet shamed me to my core like these men should be shamed.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2021 3:53:59 GMT
The white boys be pissed.
The move to break away from the SBC has begun by the churches/pastors/white dudes for whom Litton (an anti-abortionist, complementarian, etc dude) is seen as a "lefty".
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2021 3:54:14 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2021 5:32:51 GMT
Jesus was "rooting" for a candidate.
Sounds familiar.
Jesus apparently didn't have enough power to pull it out for his preferred candidate.
Sad.
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Post by refugeepea on Jun 18, 2021 6:12:42 GMT
I'm not SB, but my dad's side of the family is as well as my DH's side of the family, so I've been following some of the twitter drama. Apparently there was a song framed as a letter from a father to daughter about Modest being Hottest (this is a tired and oft used phrase directed at girls). One line had something about dressing more Amish and less Kardashian. Do these people know that the Amish community has it's own issues with sexual abuse? It doesn't have anything to do with what you're wearing. Then one poor sexual abuse victim is there. She has spoken out and continues to speak out about her abuse and lack of response from leadership. Apparently some men have walked by her hissing "Slut" her way. I can't even. Being Episcopalian isn't perfect, but it's not yet shamed me to my core like these men should be shamed. Oh yes, modest is hottest. Careful what you wear around young men. You will give them impure thoughts.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2021 6:26:51 GMT
Then one poor sexual abuse victim is there. She has spoken out and continues to speak out about her abuse and lack of response from leadership. Apparently some men have walked by her hissing "Slut" her way. I can't even. Being Episcopalian isn't perfect, but it's not yet shamed me to my core like these men should be shamed. Oh yes, modest is hottest. Careful what you wear around young men. You will give them impure thoughts. I think you’re talking about Hannah-Kate Wilson. She’s how I learned about all of this. I was following her leading up to the verdict and just after and then today, her social media disappeared. I hope she’s okay. She struggles with suicidal intentions.
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