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Post by pancakes on Jun 17, 2021 0:39:21 GMT
Where would you buy a vacation home in the U.S.?
The only stipulations are that - you must make enough rental income to cover or nearly cover the cost of the investment - it’s a place you’d want to vacation at (aka you’re not just buying it for cash flow income)
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Post by katlady on Jun 17, 2021 0:46:28 GMT
Not sure what you are asking. Do you mean we would need to rent it out when we are not there? If I bought a vacation home, I wouldn’t rent it out, except to maybe some family members or close friends.
But I would love to have a vacation home on the Kohala coast of the Big Island of Hawaii. And if I was filthy rich, I would have an apartment in Manhattan.
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Post by pancakes on Jun 17, 2021 0:50:10 GMT
Not sure what you are asking. Do you mean we would need to rent it out when we are not there? If I bought a vacation home, I wouldn’t rent it out, except to maybe some family members or close friends. But I would love to have a vacation home on the Kohala coast of the Big Island of Hawaii. And if I was filthy rich, I would have an apartment in Manhattan. I clarified my question! Yes, it has to have a decent investment return from rental income but you’d also want to vacation there.
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Post by katlady on Jun 17, 2021 0:53:08 GMT
Not sure what you are asking. Do you mean we would need to rent it out when we are not there? If I bought a vacation home, I wouldn’t rent it out, except to maybe some family members or close friends. But I would love to have a vacation home on the Kohala coast of the Big Island of Hawaii. And if I was filthy rich, I would have an apartment in Manhattan. I clarified my question! Yes, it has to have a decent investment return from rental income but you’d also want to vacation there. Ok, thanks for clarifying! But, like I said, I wouldn’t rent it out looking for a return on my investment. So, ignore my answer above. 😆
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Post by busy on Jun 17, 2021 0:54:55 GMT
Bend, Oregon. It’s a very desirable vacation destination year-round, and one of my favorite places. We aren’t into winter sports, so we’d rent it all winter, most of fall and spring and less than half of summer. We’d spend most of our summers there. It’s the peak season, so we wouldn’t be maximizing our income, but we could still more cover the carrying/maintenance/property management costs.
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Post by Merge on Jun 17, 2021 0:55:07 GMT
I would warn you that very few individual vacation rental owners (at least that we know) actually break even. There are so many factors that go into how much you can make vs. what you spend that it’s not a reliable source of income. (ETA: refer to the threads about wages - the expenses of cleaning, maintenance, and laundry between renters are not small, and can vary wildly from year to year. You also have to consider the initial expense of setting up a home as a vacation rental. AirBnB travelers are savvy and choosy, and expect cable, wi-fi, decent beds and linens, updated fixtures, and caretaking available 24/7.)
The ones that actually make money are the people or companies who own several rentals that can offset each other (and even then, the margins are thin, and most are investors planning to sell the property at a profit in time).
Better to think in terms of how much you’re willing to invest in a property for long-term appreciation of the asset, with the understanding that some years you’ll have to invest more than others, in addition to where you’d like to live part time.
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Post by iteach3rdgrade on Jun 17, 2021 0:58:41 GMT
Oahu
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Post by ntsf on Jun 17, 2021 0:59:32 GMT
we have a property in sun valley idaho. you can make your yearly costs through rentals. strong winter and strong summer market. we are not renting our place but we could easily. lots going on all the time
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Post by peabay on Jun 17, 2021 1:00:25 GMT
Martha's Vineyard
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Post by freecharlie on Jun 17, 2021 1:08:26 GMT
Well, I'm sitting on the balcony of our condo rental in Redington Shores, Florida, so...
Honestly somewhere warm on a beach and when I say ON, I mean ON. Not across the street or something. It doesn't have to be Florida but on a beach...
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Post by freecharlie on Jun 17, 2021 1:09:53 GMT
Where do you like to vacation? I'd buy somewhere I'd want to do
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Post by lizacreates on Jun 17, 2021 1:13:21 GMT
Strictly US or are you open to somewhere close to US?
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Post by pancakes on Jun 17, 2021 1:36:17 GMT
I would warn you that very few individual vacation rental owners (at least that we know) actually break even. There are so many factors that go into how much you can make vs. what you spend that it’s not a reliable source of income. (ETA: refer to the threads about wages - the expenses of cleaning, maintenance, and laundry between renters are not small, and can vary wildly from year to year. You also have to consider the initial expense of setting up a home as a vacation rental. AirBnB travelers are savvy and choosy, and expect cable, wi-fi, decent beds and linens, updated fixtures, and caretaking available 24/7.) The ones that actually make money are the people or companies who own several rentals that can offset each other (and even then, the margins are thin, and most are investors planning to sell the property at a profit in time). Better to think in terms of how much you’re willing to invest in a property for long-term appreciation of the asset, with the understanding that some years you’ll have to invest more than others, in addition to where you’d like to live part time. We own four rental units already that we mostly AirBnB so we are familiar with the game! We do better than break even, and we’ve been doing it since 2015.. The only difference is that this is what we would consider a vacation property (and in a vacation-specific location, although some people consider our city, Chicago, a vacation spot).
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Post by pancakes on Jun 17, 2021 1:36:57 GMT
Strictly US or are you open to somewhere close to US? What would you suggest close to the US?
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Post by freecharlie on Jun 17, 2021 1:39:48 GMT
Strictly US or are you open to somewhere close to US? What would you suggest close to the US? Caribbean Island:)...ON the beach
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Post by lizacreates on Jun 17, 2021 1:52:29 GMT
Strictly US or are you open to somewhere close to US? What would you suggest close to the US? Do you like resorts when you vacation?
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Post by pancakes on Jun 17, 2021 2:00:00 GMT
What would you suggest close to the US? Do you like resorts when you vacation? Yes, on occasion! Going to an all inclusive in October, ha.
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Post by lizacreates on Jun 17, 2021 2:21:20 GMT
Do you like resorts when you vacation? Yes, on occasion! Going to an all inclusive in October, ha. Okay. Mexico. Are you and your husband thinking about buying? My late husband and I bought a vacation condo in Baja California Sur in 1996 when the resort was still being built. Las Ventanas in San Jose del Cabo (near Cabo San Lucas). It’s managed by Rosewood Hotels. They’re the ones who advertise and book, set the rates, do all the accounting, cleaning, repairs and maintenance. (As an individual, I technically do not own the unit. Husband and I had to set up a bank trust in Mexico and it’s that trust that owns it. It’s because Mexican law prohibits foreigners from directly owning real estate that’s within 50 km from the ocean.) Apart from huge bills caused by a hurricane several years ago, rental income has paid for all expenses throughout with profit. The rental rates do vary depending on season. Christmas-New Year season fetches the highest rates. During the economic meltdown, I netted losses one year after another. But that’s an anomaly. Last year, I had zero income for April and May due to COVID travel restrictions, and income did not go back to semi-normal until August. Everything--property tax, management fees, utilities, repairs, insurance, etc--is much, much cheaper compared to US because the dollars I pay with are converted to pesos. For example, 2020 property tax was $2,319. We do have an HOA so we get an assessment every couple of years or so. I’m personally not keen on maintaining a vacation home in the US because of the high expense. What I own here are 3-flat buildings and a small strip mall which are very reliable and consistent income sources with low expenses and many tax advantages. Buying a condo in a Mexican resort, to me, has been positive and lucrative. I go there three to four times a year and whenever I do I just call the hotel and they block off those days. There are some really fantastic resorts near the ocean in Mexico where you can buy. So don’t limit yourself to just the US.
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Post by Really Red on Jun 17, 2021 2:27:52 GMT
I would warn you that very few individual vacation rental owners (at least that we know) actually break even. There are so many factors that go into how much you can make vs. what you spend that it’s not a reliable source of income. (ETA: refer to the threads about wages - the expenses of cleaning, maintenance, and laundry between renters are not small, and can vary wildly from year to year. You also have to consider the initial expense of setting up a home as a vacation rental. AirBnB travelers are savvy and choosy, and expect cable, wi-fi, decent beds and linens, updated fixtures, and caretaking available 24/7.) The ones that actually make money are the people or companies who own several rentals that can offset each other (and even then, the margins are thin, and most are investors planning to sell the property at a profit in time). Better to think in terms of how much you’re willing to invest in a property for long-term appreciation of the asset, with the understanding that some years you’ll have to invest more than others, in addition to where you’d like to live part time. This surprises me. I'm on the East coast and everyone I know who has a rental tells me it more than pays for itself. Most of the people I know have one and their rental income has paid for the home in well under 15 years. I agree, however, with others who say if you go for a beach home, be directly on the beach.
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Post by pancakes on Jun 17, 2021 2:30:56 GMT
Yes, on occasion! Going to an all inclusive in October, ha. Okay. Mexico. Are you and your husband thinking about buying? My late husband and I bought a vacation condo in Baja California Sur in 1996 when the resort was still being built. Las Ventanas in San Jose del Cabo (near Cabo San Lucas). It’s managed by Rosewood Hotels. They’re the ones who advertise and book, set the rates, do all the accounting, cleaning, repairs and maintenance. (As an individual, I technically do not own the unit. Husband and I had to set up a bank trust in Mexico and it’s that trust that owns it. It’s because Mexican law prohibits foreigners from directly owning real estate that’s within 50 km from the ocean.) Apart from huge bills caused by a hurricane several years ago, rental income has paid for all expenses throughout with profit. The rental rates do vary depending on season. Christmas-New Year season fetches the highest rates. During the economic meltdown, I netted losses one year after another. But that’s an anomaly. Last year, I had zero income for April and May due to COVID travel restrictions, and income did not go back to semi-normal until August. Everything--property tax, management fees, utilities, repairs, insurance, etc--is much, much cheaper compared to US because the dollars I pay with are converted to pesos. For example, 2020 property tax was $2,319. We do have an HOA so we get an assessment every couple of years or so. I’m personally not keen on maintaining a vacation home in the US because of the high expense. What I own here are 3-flat buildings and a small strip mall which are very reliable and consistent income sources with low expenses and many tax advantages. Buying a condo in a Mexican resort, to me, has been positive and lucrative. I go there three to four times a year and whenever I do I just call the hotel and they block off those days. There are some really fantastic resorts near the ocean in Mexico where you can buy. So don’t limit yourself to just the US. Thanks for the perspective! Sounds very intriguing and I’ll have to look into it.
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Post by Legacy Girl on Jun 17, 2021 2:31:40 GMT
Hilton Head Island, SC. LOVE!
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Post by Merge on Jun 17, 2021 2:43:34 GMT
I would warn you that very few individual vacation rental owners (at least that we know) actually break even. There are so many factors that go into how much you can make vs. what you spend that it’s not a reliable source of income. (ETA: refer to the threads about wages - the expenses of cleaning, maintenance, and laundry between renters are not small, and can vary wildly from year to year. You also have to consider the initial expense of setting up a home as a vacation rental. AirBnB travelers are savvy and choosy, and expect cable, wi-fi, decent beds and linens, updated fixtures, and caretaking available 24/7.) The ones that actually make money are the people or companies who own several rentals that can offset each other (and even then, the margins are thin, and most are investors planning to sell the property at a profit in time). Better to think in terms of how much you’re willing to invest in a property for long-term appreciation of the asset, with the understanding that some years you’ll have to invest more than others, in addition to where you’d like to live part time. This surprises me. I'm on the East coast and everyone I know who has a rental tells me it more than pays for itself. Most of the people I know have one and their rental income has paid for the home in well under 15 years. I agree, however, with others who say if you go for a beach home, be directly on the beach. IDK, maybe it’s the 1849 home in Maine that is the money suck. LOL. But small town Maine can make it really hard on rental home owners, too - they want the tourist income but also don’t like outsiders. Lots of regulations and stuff. And of course the maintenance can be a lot, and last year with Covid we couldn’t do any short term rental at all because the state had very strict regulations on who could travel there. We have a few different friends who have owned and sold vacation rentals because they consistently lost money in the short term. We’ve always played this as a long term game and bought where the market was low so we could eventually sell at a profit, but not everyone wants to take that kind of financial risk.
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Post by ~summer~ on Jun 17, 2021 2:55:38 GMT
Ok these types of threads are my new favorite threads lol.
I’m going to answer with what we are actually considering - not what might seem to me to be an ideal location (aka Martha’s Vineyard)
I haven’t read other responses but will go back and read after I post.
June Lake, CA (this is where I am most actively looking- it is in the eastern sierra surrounded by wilderness and alpine lakes snd hiking but has a cute little town and by California standards is “affordable”
Bend,OR Palm Springs Central CA coast (pismo beach, Avila beach) Truckee (surging in price right now) Edited - one of the resort towns in Utah, Idaho or Montana (park city, Ketchum, big sky — all expensive though)
My sister bought an ocean front house in Newport Beach which was insanely expensive but it is literally booked as a rental every night (except when they use it) and they charge a high rate.
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Post by ~summer~ on Jun 17, 2021 2:58:31 GMT
This surprises me. I'm on the East coast and everyone I know who has a rental tells me it more than pays for itself. Most of the people I know have one and their rental income has paid for the home in well under 15 years. I agree, however, with others who say if you go for a beach home, be directly on the beach. IDK, maybe it’s the 1849 home in Maine that is the money suck. LOL. But small town Maine can make it really hard on rental home owners, too - they want the tourist income but also don’t like outsiders. Lots of regulations and stuff. And of course the maintenance can be a lot, and last year with Covid we couldn’t do any short term rental at all because the state had very strict regulations on who could travel there. We have a few different friends who have owned and sold vacation rentals because they consistently lost money in the short term. We’ve always played this as a long term game and bought where the market was low so we could eventually sell at a profit, but not everyone wants to take that kind of financial risk. one day I’m gonna rent your house in Maine!
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Post by Linda on Jun 17, 2021 4:50:35 GMT
Newport Rhode Island
my mum's house sold to an investor who rents it out. 12k a MONTH in the summer. Not sure what winter rates are.
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Post by Crack-a-lackin on Jun 17, 2021 6:49:53 GMT
Thinking about places I’d want to rent while on vacation, and not considering costs and reality of finding available properties, I would choose:
Lake Tahoe (lake view) Malibu (on the beach) Most California coastal towns (Santa Barbara, Laguna, Carmel-by-the-sea) Coeur d’Alene, ID (lake view) Whitefish, MT Martha’s Vineyard Scottsdale, AZ
I like city vacations so a luxury condo in the heart of Chicago, NYC, Boston.
Or a funky, interesting house (near entertainment) in Austin, Nashville, New Orleans
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Post by monklady123 on Jun 17, 2021 10:24:09 GMT
A beach front home in South Bethany in Delaware.
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Post by Patter on Jun 17, 2021 10:24:22 GMT
Hilton Head Island, SC. LOVE! That's what I was going to say. We have been renting there for 32+ years. We were actually going to do buy a home and rent it out but decided we would rather put the $$ into our land/home to enjoy daily instead of going down just "every now and then." Another place I would consider would be Blowing Rock or Boone, NC.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2021 10:24:25 GMT
On the shores of lake Superior. There's a few places we've lusted after. Vacationing in the UP is limited unless you're into winter sports as well.
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Post by bratkar on Jun 17, 2021 10:37:27 GMT
Gulf Shores, Fort Morgan area of Alabama, just west of Pensacola. We have family there they also own a few rental properties. We have entertained the thought of getting our own rental property there, but have not actually gotten totally serious about it (YET)
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