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Post by Monica* on Jun 18, 2021 18:51:16 GMT
Okay, so much of what I wanted to say has been covered. So let me introduce a topic not touched upon yet: Serena and Mark. Is it just me or does anyone else think something's going on? Are we sure her baby is the Commander's? They seem to have an unspoken connection or agreement or something (remember their discussion outside of the room when Fred was being interrogated?). Also, remember Fred warning Mark "Be careful what you covet?" ? I think the writers are setting something up for next season.
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Post by floridagirl on Jun 18, 2021 18:51:18 GMT
ShesaRenegade , I agree with your thoughts on Luke on the other thread. I wanted to punch him when he suggested June count their blessings that they had Nicole and were out while Hannah, his DD, was still in Gilead. I was hoping to have a hard time deciding whether I was Team Luke or Team Nick, and it is really no contest. I am definitely Team Nick. I think that June actually doesn't even really like Luke anymore. The way she looks at him sometimes gives me the vibe that she's just with him until she figures out what she needs to do.
One thing I didn't care for in the finale was her biting Fred. That seemed very out of character for her. Beating him to death - yes; biting him on the face to draw blood that you saw on her teeth - no.
As I said in the other thread, I would have loved to have seem those handmaids, especially June and Emily (who I think is really a bad ass, too) stringing Fred up on that wall. Now that would have been an awesome scene! Instead we just get literally a flash of his body hanging there.
I agree about Serena Joy. I hope she gets everything that is coming to her. She really showed her hand to Mark when she demanded the house, that the woman interviewing Fred call him Commander, etc. I think it was at that moment that Mark realized that June was telling the truth about how manipulative Serena Joy can be. I would love to see her child taken away after she gives birth and have her sent back to Giliad as a handmaid.
Me too
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Post by Tearisci on Jun 18, 2021 19:06:08 GMT
Okay, so much of what I wanted to say has been covered. So let me introduce a topic not touched upon yet: Serena and Mark. Is it just me or does anyone else think something's going on? Are we sure her baby is the Commander's? They seem to have an unspoken connection or agreement or something (remember their discussion outside of the room when Fred was being interrogated?). Also, remember Fred warning Mark "Be careful what you covet?" ? I think the writers are setting something up for next season. That is really interesting and I've thought the same thing over the past season. I think there could have been something there when Mark felt sorry for her but now that Serena showed her true colors, I think that bubble has been burst!
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Post by pierogi on Jun 18, 2021 19:16:50 GMT
Luke doesn't understand the full scope of what happened in Gilead. Not to June, not to any of them. He would be horrified if he knew just what happened to his wife. I almost screamed when he told June to essentially "get over it." He has absolutely no clue what recovering from serious trauma entails. It surprises me a bit, because I remember him escaping by the skin of his teeth. It's not that he got to Canada before all the bad stuff happened. Watching her deal with post-Gilead aftermath in Canada reminded me of how so many Holocaust survivors married/remarried other survivors, and often lived in communities where there were large groups of other survivors for support and community. When you've been through that kind of terror, it doesn't really end when it stops. (If that makes sense.) You need to be around someone who has stood in your shoes, and to whom you don't need to explain everything you're going through. Or all the triggers you have: sounds, smells, etc.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2021 19:48:10 GMT
Just joining in on the dislike for Luke. I've not only disliked him from the start but just don't like the whole vibe of him and June. The relationship is nauseatingly superficial. Whenever they interact I feel like it's a conversation of 2 superficial people finding out they both like vanilla: I like vanilla. No way, I like vanilla. My god, I love vanilla. I can't get over how much I like vanilla too. Vanilla is so great.
That's the extent of their interactions. I feel Moira is a bit like that too. Just can't really stand the dynamic between all three of them. Hard to pinpoint why other than the superficialness of it.
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Post by ShesaRenegade on Jun 18, 2021 20:14:59 GMT
Isn't Nick the father of Serena's baby, or am I imagining this??? Nick is the father of June's baby, Nicole. (Nick - Nicole...I literally just realized the male/female and father/daughter name connection. I swear I realize something new every time I think about this show...haha).
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Post by The Birdhouse Lady on Jun 18, 2021 20:36:00 GMT
Isn't Nick the father of Serena's baby, or am I imagining this??? Nick is the father of June's baby, Nicole. (Nick - Nicole...I literally just realized the male/female and father/daughter name connection. I swear I realize something new every time I think about this show...haha). So...we don't know who the father of Serena's baby is at this point? I don't know why I think it's Nick. I am pretty sure that it is not Fred. I did know that Nicole's dad was Nick but I didn't put the name connection together!
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Post by Tearisci on Jun 18, 2021 20:55:22 GMT
Nick is the father of June's baby, Nicole. (Nick - Nicole...I literally just realized the male/female and father/daughter name connection. I swear I realize something new every time I think about this show...haha). So...we don't know who the father of Serena's baby is at this point? I don't know why I think it's Nick. I am pretty sure that it is not Fred. I did know that Nicole's dad was Nick but I didn't put the name connection together! Nick/Nichole - mind blown! Totally didn't see this but that's got to be super intentional. I don't think Nick is the father of Serena's baby. He has nothing but contempt for her and I can't see them getting it on. I wonder if they would give Nick immunity if he were to come to Canada or would he face a similar fate to Joseph who they indicated would be put on trial for war crimes as a founder of Gilead. I just sadly cancelled my Hulu subscription because the show is over. *sigh* Another long year to wait!
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Post by amom23 on Jun 18, 2021 21:16:08 GMT
Isn't Nick the father of Serena's baby, or am I imagining this??? Nick is the father of June's baby, Nicole. (Nick - Nicole...I literally just realized the male/female and father/daughter name connection. I swear I realize something new every time I think about this show...haha). Actually June named the baby Holly after her mother. Serena named her Nicole. I doubt there was never a name connection to Nick as her father.
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Jun 18, 2021 21:33:44 GMT
I don’t think anyone is coming after June for Fred’s murder. I think she is saying goodbye because she knows she can’t be Luke’s wife and she can’t, at least now, be Nichole’s mother. There have been a few moments where June has been noticing Luke and Moira’s close relationship, and there was a scene before she got Fred where she was looking at them through the window. She has realized that she can’t go back or accept a new life…certainly not now and maybe ever, and the most loving thing she can so is to let them raise Nichole. I think thats why they did it in the no man's land... not under Canadian or Gilead jurisdiction.
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Post by huskergal on Jun 18, 2021 23:03:24 GMT
Okay, so much of what I wanted to say has been covered. So let me introduce a topic not touched upon yet: Serena and Mark. Is it just me or does anyone else think something's going on? Are we sure her baby is the Commander's? They seem to have an unspoken connection or agreement or something (remember their discussion outside of the room when Fred was being interrogated?). Also, remember Fred warning Mark "Be careful what you covet?" ? I think the writers are setting something up for next season. I absolutely think the baby is his. Fred can't father a child. I really think so after he questioned her about living with Fred as husband and wife and asked how she could do that.
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Post by huskergal on Jun 18, 2021 23:07:26 GMT
The end was so delicious. So happy that bastard got what he deserved.
I knew when June went back that her marriage wouldn't last. She has been through too much. Nick understands all of it. I don't dislike Luke. He has no idea. He can't possibly understand how she is feeling. It is obvious that June doesn't love him any more.
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Post by stingfan on Jun 19, 2021 0:09:33 GMT
I thought that when Serena got pregnant, it brought the paternity of Nicole into question. That if Fred could get Serena pregnant, maybe he also got June pregnant.
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Post by Rhondito on Jun 19, 2021 0:16:18 GMT
The end was so delicious. So happy that bastard got what he deserved. I knew when June went back that her marriage wouldn't last. She has been through too much. Nick understands all of it. I don't dislike Luke. He has no idea. He can't possibly understand how she is feeling. It is obvious that June doesn't love him any more.I totally agree.
What bothers me though is how she knew he was so horrified by what she had done, and said give me a minute and I'll leave. Now, if you were a man and knew someone had raped your wife for years, would you be upset that she killed him? Or would you think the bastard got what he deserved? Is he going to treat Emily and the others who participated the same way?
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Post by birukitty on Jun 20, 2021 13:43:25 GMT
Okay, so much of what I wanted to say has been covered. So let me introduce a topic not touched upon yet: Serena and Mark. Is it just me or does anyone else think something's going on? Are we sure her baby is the Commander's? They seem to have an unspoken connection or agreement or something (remember their discussion outside of the room when Fred was being interrogated?). Also, remember Fred warning Mark "Be careful what you covet?" ? I think the writers are setting something up for next season. In an article that I read from the writers that was posted on EW online they said Fred is the father of Serena's baby. What a lot of viewer's saw as Mark "getting close" to Serena was actually Mark using psychological methods to get Serena to trust him. Mark actually despises Serena. I'm part of a Handmaid's Tale facebook list and there were a lot of folks who had the same thought about the baby.
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Post by birukitty on Jun 20, 2021 13:44:24 GMT
Luke doesn't understand the full scope of what happened in Gilead. Not to June, not to any of them. He would be horrified if he knew just what happened to his wife. I almost screamed when he told June to essentially "get over it." He has absolutely no clue what recovering from serious trauma entails. It surprises me a bit, because I remember him escaping by the skin of his teeth. It's not that he got to Canada before all the bad stuff happened. Watching her deal with post-Gilead aftermath in Canada reminded me of how so many Holocaust survivors married/remarried other survivors, and often lived in communities where there were large groups of other survivors for support and community. When you've been through that kind of terror, it doesn't really end when it stops. (If that makes sense.) You need to be around someone who has stood in your shoes, and to whom you don't need to explain everything you're going through. Or all the triggers you have: sounds, smells, etc. I agree 100%.
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Post by Rhondito on Jun 20, 2021 16:27:47 GMT
I read an article yesterday that brought up a point everyone is completely ignoring - who is Nick's wife!? I'm sure it will be explored in the next season but it's very interesting that they made a point to show him put his ring back on but never gave any information on his marriage or wife.
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Post by fkawitchypea on Jun 20, 2021 20:09:48 GMT
I read an article yesterday that brought up a point everyone is completely ignoring - who is Nick's wife!? I'm sure it will be explored in the next season but it's very interesting that they made a point to show him put his ring back on but never gave any information on his marriage or wife. I have been trying to figure this out. As a commander wouldn't he get a wife that had some sort of status, like a dead commander's wife? I can't think of anyone significant that is not a handmaid or a martha that would be a big enough deal to make it a plot point. Maybe it's Mrs. Winslow, only because I love Elisabeth Reaser and would love to see her back.
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Post by thundergal on Jun 21, 2021 1:31:23 GMT
If Fred really is the father of Serena Joy's baby, that brings Nicole's paternity in to question.
Re: the biting...June was describing how hard it was to convince Fred that she adored him while they danced at Jezebels. She said to herself, "Don't run...don't kick...don't scream...don't BITE."
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Post by dizzycheermom on Jun 21, 2021 3:37:33 GMT
I'm in a FB group for THM and someone said that someone official from the show has confirmed that Fred is the father of Serena's baby. I think Tuello may have initially been interested in Serena but not after learning about the things she has done and esp not after her demands in the last episode.
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Post by bc2ca on Jun 21, 2021 5:47:12 GMT
Isn't Nick the father of Serena's baby, or am I imagining this??? I never thought it would be Nick after she manipulated/ordered Nick to impregnate June. Once he became a Commander she had no power over him. So let me introduce a topic not touched upon yet: Serena and Mark. Is it just me or does anyone else think something's going on? They definitely played it a bit to make us wonder, but Serena was pregnant before arriving in Canada. I don't think Nick is the father of Serena's baby. He has nothing but contempt for her and I can't see them getting it on. I read an article yesterday that brought up a point everyone is completely ignoring - who is Nick's wife!? I'm sure it will be explored in the next season but it's very interesting that they made a point to show him put his ring back on but never gave any information on his marriage or wife. I'm curious to see who she is and if she comes into play next season. Re: the biting...June was describing how hard it was to convince Fred that she adored him while they danced at Jezebels. She said to herself, "Don't run...don't kick...don't scream...don't BITE." this is absolutely why I think she bit him. So looking forward to next season and plan to rewatch it all this summer.
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Post by aprilfay21 on Jun 21, 2021 15:11:44 GMT
The showrunners have already stated Fred is the father of Serena's son.
I love Luke and feel sorry for him. His wife and child were ripped away for 7 years and he had no idea if they were alive or not. He has no clue what June endured over there so very little to work with in terms of understanding her and helping her cope. He is expecting and missing the old June and the new June is a different person.
I'm also not team Nick. That's a trauma bonded relationship and he's no good for her either. She needs to be alone and heal before she's with anyone.
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Post by styxgirl on Sept 18, 2021 0:38:37 GMT
Just finished watching this!
I thought that this season’s finale was the SERIES finale!
Whew, I’m glad it is not and that there is more to come.
I would have liked to see Fred’s consequences in Gilead for a bit to see him uncomfortable. His demise was fitting though!
I’m happy Janine is alive. Amazing she has the strength to take Esther under her wing and help her.
Off to google to see when the next season will be ready!
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