Dalai Mama
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Post by Dalai Mama on Jun 18, 2021 17:11:54 GMT
I haven't seen this discussed yet. The World Health Organization has released a first draft for their global action plan on alcohol consumption. This stood out for me: I was willing to give them the benefit of the doubt so, I read the draft, looking for their reasoning. The times they mentioned women specifically: The risk is higher for men but women should be prevented from drinking until they hit menopause. The audacity. Here's a link to their first draft. Hopefully they will listen to the backlash and reword it. World Health Organization Global action plan on alcohol: 1st draft
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Post by Zee on Jun 18, 2021 17:17:13 GMT
There would be a lot less pregnancies without it 🤭
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Dalai Mama
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Post by Dalai Mama on Jun 18, 2021 17:23:21 GMT
There would be a lot less pregnancies without it 🤭 Hah! I guess it's much easier to convince governments to limit overpopulation by controlling women's drinking habits than by providing them access to affordable birth control.
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Post by keriwest on Jun 18, 2021 17:25:13 GMT
Totally nuts.
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Post by catmom on Jun 18, 2021 17:46:27 GMT
Huh. The patriarchy strikes again. What a surprise.
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Post by padresfan619 on Jun 18, 2021 17:47:49 GMT
The economy would collapse without bottomless brunch.
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Post by bc2ca on Jun 18, 2021 17:48:48 GMT
The inclusion of "and women of childbearing age" leave me stumped as a special category. I was pregnant for 1.5 of my 40 child bearing years and would not have been happy to have a WHO campaign encouraging me to abstain before and after my pregnancies.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2021 17:54:52 GMT
Are they trying to address fetal alcohol syndrome? Personally it does not upset me as you will save the kids of these women if you can convince them not to drink or at least to use contraception if not trying to conceive.
You don't have to stretch much to project a subtext of men are expendable and women are a target of societal control.
I agree with much more birthcontrol for everyone. Alcoholic fathers might not cause birth defects but they surely are not going to be in best position to care for the progeny.
If alcohol was a medication it would never get past the FDA...known carcinogen, teratogen, and causes poor mental health outcomes including much higher likelihood of suicide completion. Not a fan.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Jun 18, 2021 18:02:22 GMT
Ridiculous.
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Dalai Mama
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Post by Dalai Mama on Jun 18, 2021 18:18:26 GMT
Are they trying to address fetal alcohol syndrome? Personally it does not upset me as you will save the kids of these women if you can convince them not to drink or at least to use contraception if not trying to conceive. You don't have to stretch much to project a subtext of men are expendable and women are a target of societal control. I agree with much more birthcontrol for everyone. Alcoholic fathers might not cause birth defects but they surely are not going to be in best position to care for the progeny. If alcohol was a medication it would never get past the FDA...known carcinogen, teratogen, and causes poor mental health outcomes including much higher likelihood of suicide completion. Not a fan. It is my belief that their motivation is to prevent FASD. But, rather than education, they're advocating the prevention of drinking by all women of child-bearing years. The wording is problematic. But, to that (double) point, I didn't drink when I was trying to get pregnant because I was educated about FASD. I didn't worry about drinking when I was not trying to get pregnant because I had ready access to affordable birth control.
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Post by mollycoddle on Jun 18, 2021 18:24:40 GMT
I’d like to see them try. 😁
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cycworker
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Post by cycworker on Jun 18, 2021 18:30:55 GMT
Are they trying to address fetal alcohol syndrome? Personally it does not upset me as you will save the kids of these women if you can convince them not to drink or at least to use contraception if not trying to conceive. You don't have to stretch much to project a subtext of men are expendable and women are a target of societal control. I agree with much more birthcontrol for everyone. Alcoholic fathers might not cause birth defects but they surely are not going to be in best position to care for the progeny. If alcohol was a medication it would never get past the FDA...known carcinogen, teratogen, and causes poor mental health outcomes including much higher likelihood of suicide completion. Not a fan. It is my belief that their motivation is to prevent FASD. But, rather than education, they're advocating the prevention of drinking by all women of child-bearing years. The wording is problematic. But, to that (double) point, I didn't drink when I was trying to get pregnant because I was educated about FASD. I didn't worry about drinking when I was not trying to get pregnant because I had ready access to affordable birth control. Exactly. I suspect some religious issues with birth control are at the root of the statement. Also, patriarchy in general. Why offer women affordable, accessible, reliable birth control, as well as education, to try to reduce FASD when we can instead just try to make more rules for women?
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Dalai Mama
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Post by Dalai Mama on Jun 18, 2021 18:41:12 GMT
It is my belief that their motivation is to prevent FASD. But, rather than education, they're advocating the prevention of drinking by all women of child-bearing years. The wording is problematic. But, to that (double) point, I didn't drink when I was trying to get pregnant because I was educated about FASD. I didn't worry about drinking when I was not trying to get pregnant because I had ready access to affordable birth control. Exactly. I suspect some religious issues with birth control are at the root of the statement. Also, patriarchy in general. Why offer women affordable, accessible, reliable birth control, as well as education, to try to reduce FASD when we can instead just try to make more rules for women? Under His Eye
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Post by karinec on Jun 18, 2021 18:42:29 GMT
Too late for me!
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Post by busy on Jun 18, 2021 18:44:29 GMT
What bullshit (Of course women shouldn’t drink while pregnant or trying to get pregnant. But to recommend abstaining for decades just because? Come on. Also, newsflash, not all women want to have children. We’re more than just vessels.)
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Post by maryland on Jun 18, 2021 18:45:10 GMT
That's ridiculous! Why not limit drinking for men of child bearing age too! I hate double standards between the genders.
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Post by padresfan619 on Jun 18, 2021 18:57:13 GMT
Sometimes you can try to get pregnant for almost a decade and finally give up when you get no answers as to why you’re struggling to get pregnant. Then finally find out you’re pregnant the same day you were having margaritas at home during a worldwide pandemic. Hello. I have a perfectly healthy three month old!
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Post by Legacy Girl on Jun 18, 2021 19:58:52 GMT
Not a fan, but I do think that the increase in females dealing with alcohol issues is pretty significant. I think they'd be a lot smarter to deal with the pressures that are causing women to turn to alcohol than to restrict drinking throughout childbearing years. The whole "mommy drinking" culture makes me ill. We even have a local radio station whose promotions are all "funny" plays on women NEEDING alcohol. To me, it's a public health issue, not a joke. But maybe that's because alcoholism hits WAY too close to home in my family.
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Dalai Mama
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Post by Dalai Mama on Jun 18, 2021 20:17:49 GMT
Not a fan, but I do think that the increase in females dealing with alcohol issues is pretty significant. I think they'd be a lot smarter to deal with the pressures that are causing women to turn to alcohol than to restrict drinking throughout childbearing years. The whole "mommy drinking" culture makes me ill. We even have a local radio station whose promotions are all "funny" plays on women NEEDING alcohol. To me, it's a public health issue, not a joke. But maybe that's because alcoholism hits WAY too close to home in my family. Men have over 5x as many alcohol use disorders, over 3x as many alcohol-related deaths, and over 4x as many disability-adjusted life years. There are only two countries in the world where there are more females with alcohol use disorders than male - Ukraine and Uganda and that's only by the smallest margin. In the US, almost twice as many men suffer from alcohol use disorders than women and, while it is skewing a bit more towards women, that margin hasn't changed much over the past 20 years. And I would suggest the 'mommy drinking' culture is a symptom of a much-larger issue of inequality. ETA* the actual percentage of US women with alcohol use disorders has decreased in the past 20 years.
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Post by edie3 on Jun 18, 2021 23:29:28 GMT
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