tanya2
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Post by tanya2 on Jun 19, 2021 4:58:20 GMT
there's supposed to be an announcement on monday, hopefully about fully vaccinated Canadians not needing to do the 14 day quarantine upon return to canada If/when that happens they'll still have to do a Covid test upon entry and quarantine until it comes back is what I've heard. I live in a Border town and am quiet fine with the continued closure honestly. I'm ok with that, its the 14 day quarantine that is the biggest problem. We travelled this winter (hold your boos), and flew into Buffalo to cross at a land border to avoid the stupid mandatory hotel quarantine. I had no problem with having to test before we left & before we returned (although they really need to make those pcr tests easier to get and way cheaper than they are), and then again upon our return. But with all those negative tests, and being fully vaccinated, there is no need to hide in your house for 14 days
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Post by gar on Jun 19, 2021 7:05:11 GMT
That is not good. I mean I know there were going to be break through cases but was hoping for less. Much less. I along with everyone else is so sick of all of this. Beyond ready to get back to normal. Tired of trying to keep everyone from doing foolish things (family). We get some semblance of normal and then if we get a wave of this here which is highly likely just when everyone lets their guard down and go back to work unmasked after 16 months. But these numbers are really very small and being hospitalised doesn’t necessarily mean severe illness, maybe just a day or two of medical help. There will always be variations as with flu, to which some people will succumb.
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Post by hookturnian on Jun 19, 2021 7:52:52 GMT
I'm hoping that the number of breakthrough cases and severity of illness remains low. And of course, I hope our vaccine supply and uptake improves.
Australia closed its borders on 20 March last year. It doesn't look like it will reopen until next year. Given that 50% of Australians were either born overseas or have at least one parent who was born overseas, that's a lot of people who are unable to see close family.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2021 11:10:36 GMT
I'm hoping that the number of breakthrough cases and severity of illness remains low. And of course, I hope our vaccine supply and uptake improves. Australia closed its borders on 20 March last year. It doesn't look like it will reopen until next year. Given that 50% of Australians were either born overseas or have at least one parent who was born overseas, that's a lot of people who are unable to see close family. That's the only way out of this IMO. But the whole world needs to have a high vaccination rate not just the more industrialised nations. Global travel is so prevalent in modern day life for many of us. Over the last 50 years the world has become so much more accessible to a very high number of people. We ( general we) would be very foolish if we thought any country with a high vaccination rate is going to be fully protected. The most we can hope for is that it will protect us from serious illnesses, hospitalisations and in some cases death. The less the virus circulates the less it has a chance of finding a host to mutate and that is why the less developed countries need to also have easy access to the vaccines. More people vaccinated = less hosts for the virus to find. In the meantime I believe we will still need a booster to protect us from any future mutations, just like we do with the flu every year.
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Post by hookturnian on Jun 19, 2021 13:07:51 GMT
Very true. I actually had my South African hat on when talking about access to and rollout of vaccines. I know I'm fine for both here in Australia, but I'm worried about my siblings, niblings and other family members and friends back in SA.
SA's plans for AZ were stymied due to its poor efficacy against the South African (beta??) strain. And more recently they had to turn away 2 million J&J vaccines due to contamination in Baltimore. That's huge when you have a population of 59 million, with an average age of 29, so you have to vaccinate quite a lot of people to reach herd immunity. And of course, SA attracts many migrants from all over Africa and Asia, not all of them documented.
SA has a good pharmaceutical manufacturing sector and could manufacture vaccines for a lot of Africa. SA's president has been pushing for a relaxing of patents, even if only for a limited period. But no luck there.
Covid's not over for anyone until it's over for everyone, as they say.
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Post by christine58 on Jun 21, 2021 16:17:57 GMT
So it appears the Canadian border will be open to fully vaccinated people with them requiring COVID tests. BUT our local Buffalo channel just said the border is still closed till July 21 and this announcement from their prime minister changes nothing?? So confused. I have cousins who want to come see their dad in the US...it's as clear as mud because the US is not allowing US citizens to travel into Canada.
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Post by milocat on Jun 21, 2021 16:32:44 GMT
So it appears the Canadian border will be open to fully vaccinated people with them requiring COVID tests. BUT our local Buffalo channel just said the border is still closed till July 21 and this announcement from their prime minister changes nothing?? So confused. I have cousins who want to come see their dad in the US...it's as clear as mud because the US is not allowing US citizens to travel into Canada. "Canada will be lifting most international travel restrictions for Canadians, permanent residents, and certain foreign nationals who are fully vaccinated, starting in early July. The change does not apply to fully vaccinated non-citizens who are looking to visit for non-essential reasons, and for any Canadian traveller who is not fully-vaccinated, the existing suite of travel restrictions will remain in effect." www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/canada-lifting-restrictions-for-fully-vaccinated-travellers-starting-in-two-weeks-1.5478703
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Post by christine58 on Jun 21, 2021 16:53:18 GMT
So it appears the Canadian border will be open to fully vaccinated people with them requiring COVID tests. BUT our local Buffalo channel just said the border is still closed till July 21 and this announcement from their prime minister changes nothing?? So confused. I have cousins who want to come see their dad in the US...it's as clear as mud because the US is not allowing US citizens to travel into Canada. "Canada will be lifting most international travel restrictions for Canadians, permanent residents, and certain foreign nationals who are fully vaccinated, starting in early July. The change does not apply to fully vaccinated non-citizens who are looking to visit for non-essential reasons, and for a about Canadian traveller who is not fully-vaccinated, the existing suite of travel restrictions will remain in effect." www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/canada-lifting-restrictions-for-fully-vaccinated-travellers-starting-in-two-weeks-1.5478703Our local TV station continues to say that the border is still closed to non-essential travel. These "restrictions" that have been lifted appear to only cover Canadians going BACK to Canada. There's been nothing from the US about Canadians traveling into the US.
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Post by milocat on Jun 21, 2021 17:08:20 GMT
Our local TV station continues to say that the border is still closed to non-essential travel. These "restrictions" that have been lifted appear to only cover Canadians going BACK to Canada. There's been nothing from the US about Canadians traveling into the US. Yes that's what it sounds like, Canadians can travel without the hotel quarantine (if vaccinated and a negative test). It's not open to other countries for non essential travel.
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Post by christine58 on Jun 21, 2021 19:32:30 GMT
Yes that's what it sounds like, Canadians can travel without the hotel quarantine (if vaccinated and a negative test). It's not open to other countries for non essential travel. So Canadians cannot come into the US??
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Post by bc2ca on Jun 21, 2021 19:49:47 GMT
Yes that's what it sounds like, Canadians can travel without the hotel quarantine (if vaccinated and a negative test). It's not open to other countries for non essential travel. So Canadians cannot come into the US?? I'm not sure where you are getting this. The Canadian government is discouraging nonessential travel, but I have known plenty of Canadians traveling to the US this year (Hawaii, Phoenix, Palm Springs). Most walk/drive across the border and fly from the nearest airport. Only the US government can restrict Canadians coming into the US. Canada can put testing, vaccination and quarantine requirements on Canadians returning to Canada. My Canadian sister traveled to Hawaii for a month and just returned to Vancouver. They flew into Bellingham, took a taxi/Uber to Peace Arch and walked across to avoid the 3 night hotel requirement for air arrivals, and are quarantining at home right now. We have been waiting for the quarantine requirement to lift and are thrilled to have a date for heading north.
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Post by christine58 on Jun 21, 2021 19:53:46 GMT
I'm not sure where you are getting this. The Canadian government is discouraging nonessential travel, but I have known plenty of Canadians traveling to the US this year (Hawaii, Phoenix, Palm Springs). Most drive across the border and fly from the nearest airport.Well here's the thing. My cousins live in Canada and they have not come to the US to see their 95 year old father since COVID started. They all have said they can't come across the border. We've been continually told the border is closed to non-essential travel so how are Canadians driving to the US?? Everything I have read today that my cousin has sent me only talks about Canadians getting back into Canada. The Buffalo stations said today that even with these restrictions being lifted, the US border is still closed. It's as clear as mud. I want them to be able to come see their father and am just curious is all. I do know that many Canadians have flown into the US.
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Post by catmom on Jun 21, 2021 19:54:30 GMT
Yes that's what it sounds like, Canadians can travel without the hotel quarantine (if vaccinated and a negative test). It's not open to other countries for non essential travel. So Canadians cannot come into the US?? In theory, the (land) border is closed. In practice, flights are available and Canadians have been flying to the US for months now. I'm not going to pretend it makes sense.
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Post by christine58 on Jun 21, 2021 19:57:51 GMT
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Post by catmom on Jun 21, 2021 19:59:04 GMT
I'm not sure where you are getting this. The Canadian government is discouraging nonessential travel, but I have known plenty of Canadians traveling to the US this year (Hawaii, Phoenix, Palm Springs). Most drive across the border and fly from the nearest airport.Well here's the thing. My cousins live in Canada and they have not come to the US to see their 95 year old father since COVID started. They all have said they can't come across the border. We've been continually told the border is closed to non-essential travel so how are Canadians driving to the US?? Everything I have read today that my cousin has sent me only talks about Canadians getting back into Canada. The Buffalo stations said today that even with these restrictions being lifted, the US border is still closed. It's as clear as mud. I want them to be able to come see their father and am just curious is all. I do know that many Canadians have flown into the US. Would they be driving or flying into the US? If they are flying, and fully vaccinated, they should be good to go after July 5th. In theory they shouldn't be able to cross a land border crossing, so I'm not sure they are able to drive to the US. Once in the US however, Canadian citizens can cross back over into Canada via a land border crossing or via air, because as citizens they can't be denied entry.
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Post by christine58 on Jun 21, 2021 20:00:47 GMT
Would they be driving or flying into the US? My cousins would be driving. They are in Woodstock and their dad lives outside Buffalo...
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Post by catmom on Jun 21, 2021 20:16:45 GMT
Would they be driving or flying into the US? My cousins would be driving. They are in Woodstock and their dad lives outside Buffalo... Ahh. Someone else may have suggestions, but my understanding is they won't be able to cross the land border.
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Post by christine58 on Jun 21, 2021 20:22:00 GMT
My cousins would be driving. They are in Woodstock and their dad lives outside Buffalo... Ahh. Someone else may have suggestions, but my understanding is they won't be able to cross the land border. That’s what the local news continues to say...that the US border is still closed to land travel. These new “rules” are for those traveling by air or water and it took away the mandatory quarantine if they are vaccinated. US citizens can still not cross the Canadian border either
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Post by carhoch on Jun 21, 2021 20:41:04 GMT
I’m hoping that they open the order I would love to go the province of Quebec in September with the RV
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Post by quiltz on Jun 21, 2021 21:25:22 GMT
Our local TV station continues to say that the border is still closed to non-essential travel. These "restrictions" that have been lifted appear to only cover Canadians going BACK to Canada. There's been nothing from the US about Canadians traveling into the US. At this time, the Canadian Government is concerned about Canadians coming home and ensuring that there won't be a spike in Covid-19 cases in Canada. They are looking out for Canada and for Canadian's health. It is not their job to plasicate the Americans. Canada looks after Canada first. There are various exemptions for people who need to travel to the USA, however, they are VERY difficult to find and neither Homeland nor CBSA are helpful in discerning what paperwork or documents that are required.
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Post by milocat on Jun 21, 2021 21:38:19 GMT
Yes that's what it sounds like, Canadians can travel without the hotel quarantine (if vaccinated and a negative test). It's not open to other countries for non essential travel. So Canadians cannot come into the US?? Canadians could always come go the US, if they wanted to pay to stay in a quarantine hotel when they came back. The land border was more locked down, flights not so much.
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Post by christine58 on Jun 21, 2021 21:43:35 GMT
At this time, the Canadian Government is concerned about Canadians coming home and ensuring that there won't be a spike in Covid-19 cases in Canada. They are looking out for Canada and for Canadian's health. It is not their job to plasicate the Americans. Canada looks after Canada first. There are various exemptions for people who need to travel to the USA, however, they are VERY difficult to find and neither Homeland nor CBSA are helpful in discerning what paperwork or documents that are required. I understand that. My cousin in Woodstock thinks that on July 9 she's driving across the border and I don't think she is going to be able to. The news here keeps saying the border is still closed till 7/21...am I understanding that correctly?? I do feel bad for families who all are vaccinated and cannot see their loved ones on either side of the border. Don't even get me started that she could have applied for compassionate care and come to see her 94 year old father.
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Post by tanya2 on Jun 21, 2021 21:49:09 GMT
Canadians have been able to fly to the US throughout the entire pandemic. Since March 15, 2020 there has been a mandatory 14 day quarantine for anyone returning to Canada. But honestly, it wasn't overly enforced & was basically on your honour. However, since Feb 22, 2021 anyone returning to Canada by air has had to do a 3 day hotel stay and could only fly into one of 4 airports in the country. And they got a LOT more strict about enforcing the 14 days. Now as of July 5 the fully vaccinated Canadian citizens and permanent residents (and a few others) can return without having to quarantine. Which is excellent news for those of us that will still travel.
As for your relatives in Woodstock (hey, my son lives there!) they can fly into Buffalo to visit but I don't think they can drive there yet. Easiest way to check is to call the bridge they would be crossing at
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Post by christine58 on Jun 21, 2021 21:49:39 GMT
As for your relatives in Woodstock (hey, my son lives there!) they can fly into Buffalo to visit but I don't think they can drive there yet. Easiest way to check is to call the bridge they would be crossing at That won't happen at all..
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Post by tanya2 on Jun 21, 2021 21:54:25 GMT
I know when I drove from the buffalo airport into Canada we had zero issues other than needing to test & quarantine, but that was dealing with Canadian customs & we are citizens. I haven't tried it going from Canada into the US by land. Really, I would tell them to call & talk to someone at the border
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Post by quiltz on Jun 21, 2021 21:59:42 GMT
Don't even get me started that she could have applied for compassionate care and come to see her 94 year old father. Well, that was an exception that was offered. Her refusal to act on it is on her, not you.
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Post by chedanemi on Jun 21, 2021 22:00:56 GMT
That's great! I wonder why they haven't been able to work something out here. I'm a Point Roberts resident. We've officially been exempt from the negative Covid test since February. That being said, we still are subject to the "essential" travel requirements JUST to drive THROUGH Canada to mainland Washington. Although we personally have not had any problems getting through the border when we need to, there are several residents here who have been denied crossing through even though they had a valid essential reason. The general consensus here is that if we are simply driving through, without stopping for any reason in Canada, there shouldn't be any "essential" reason required. However, we are subject to Canada's requirements until the border completely opens!
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Post by christine58 on Jun 21, 2021 22:12:43 GMT
Don't even get me started that she could have applied for compassionate care and come to see her 94 year old father. Well, that was an exception that was offered. Her refusal to act on it is on her, not you. I never said it was on me. Just breaks my heart that neither she or her 3 brothers in Ontario never applied.
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Post by bc2ca on Jun 21, 2021 22:23:30 GMT
I'm a Point Roberts resident. I feel for the unique circumstances Point Roberts residents face. Most of the coverage we've seen has been more about stores & restaurants devastated by the lack of Canadians coming in than the hardships to stranded Americans. We have a few CDN friends with cottages there and a few others that use the PO Box services to get US goods delivered. christine58, is your cousin expecting to make a day trip July 9th? There are still going to be test requirements going both ways and coming back into Canada she will have to be registered with the ArriveCAN app. It is not going to be business as usual yet. Does she have dual citizenship?
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Post by christine58 on Jun 21, 2021 22:25:24 GMT
christine58, is your cousin expecting to make a day trip July 9th? There are still going to be test requirements going both ways and coming back into Canada she will have to be registered with the ArriveCAN app. It is not going to be business as usual yet. Does she have dual citizenship? No she was coming for the weekend and I do not believe she has dual citizenship.
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