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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jun 19, 2021 0:45:43 GMT
Update 6/26: the Bishops have backtracked. Maybe their taxes could be used for better things!! Before their three-day meeting that culminated Friday with a vote to move toward denying America's second Catholic President, Joe Biden, communion over his stance of supporting a woman's right to choose an abortion, the Vatican told the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB) to not politicize communion or other sacraments. They did it anyway, and now powerful Democrats – and many others – are furious. The bishops seem not care about Newt Gingrich and his divorces and remarriage. Or the GOP support of the death penalty, separating children at the border...... www.rawstory.com/joe-biden-communion/
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jun 19, 2021 1:07:28 GMT
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Post by arielsmom on Jun 19, 2021 1:21:10 GMT
Their time would be better spent cleaning house of all the paedophiles before they start in on the rest of the world. Glad I am no longer a practising Catholic. I will certainly never take communion again.
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Post by michellegb on Jun 19, 2021 8:45:58 GMT
This is a ridiculous fluffing of the egos of those foolish bishops. They have so much more to worry about than this. But let's get some publicity that will take the public's eye off the never-ending issues with child molestation by priests. Like arielsmom, I'm glad I don't participate in this nonsense anymore.
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Post by maryannscraps on Jun 19, 2021 11:13:50 GMT
And they wonder why their numbers are declining? Clean up their own house first. In three of the four parishes I've lived in since adulthood, pedophile priests were arrested after years of being shipped around the diocese.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2021 11:28:23 GMT
They're interpreting this totally wrong IMO.
It's up to the individual whether they themselves have gone against their faith surely. Isn't that what it means when you go to confession?
Are they also going to deny any catholic lawyer for representing anyone in a divorce court too? No of course not, the lawyer isn't getting a divorce. That is no different to President Biden supporting people's choices. Pres Biden himself isn't committing any personal " sin" he's representing the people, all of the people, in America. Personal beliefs should not enter into your decisions when you take up the job of public office be it the President, congressperson or anything else.
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Post by mikklynn on Jun 19, 2021 11:41:01 GMT
Their time would be better spent cleaning house of all the paedophiles before they start in on the rest of the world. Glad I am no longer a practising Catholic. I will certainly never take communion again. I refer to myself as a recovering Catholic. I have refused to take communion when I go with my parents. Shit like this is exactly why. I hope they do lose their tax exempt status.
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Post by peabay on Jun 19, 2021 12:42:47 GMT
Are they refusing Communion to the politicians who back the death penalty?
The church is supposed to be against that too.
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Post by lizacreates on Jun 19, 2021 13:13:36 GMT
Is there a questionnaire to be filled out before you’re given the wafer? How would a priest even know the congregant is pro-choice? So for practical purposes, what do these edicts even really mean and how would they be enforced?
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Post by peasapie on Jun 19, 2021 13:26:53 GMT
It’s such nonsense. Do they decry every Catholic using birth control, or every divorced and remarried Catholic? Or every Catholic who supports abortion rights? Or every Catholic who provides these services?
I stopped receiving Communion long ago and shake my head when I see 95% of parishioners getting up to receive. Hypocrisy, thy name is organized religion, starting with the pedophile priests. Let he who is without sin throw the first stone.
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Post by TXMary on Jun 19, 2021 14:08:23 GMT
I left the Catholic church years ago and sometimes I think about going back. They always do something to remind me why I left in the first place and I come to my senses. I am 59 years old and I left in my early 20s. Back then, I went to mass every Sunday and the family that sat in front of us was a local doctor who owned a women's clinic. Everyone in town knew that they performed abortions there and yet, he was a very active and prominent member of my Catholic church. I guess they didn't care as long as he kept on writing the big checks to them. I was pro choice but the hypocrisy was just too much for me. My mom and I both left.
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Post by purplebee on Jun 19, 2021 14:12:41 GMT
I am a 69-year old non-practicing “cradle Catholic.” Devout parents, 12 years of Catholic school. Still cling to some beliefs. I was hopeful that Pope Francis might be an instrument of change for the church, but recent rulings on homosexual relationships were very disappointing, though not surprising. I hate that the church is seeing fit to castigate President Biden. His strong faith could have been an asset to the future of the Catholic Church, now they are trying to turn it into a fight. I feel sorry for the President, he and Jill are between a rock and a hard spot. I hope enough American Catholics push back against this, and push hard….
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Post by bc2ca on Jun 19, 2021 17:31:41 GMT
I'm horrified by this indefensible move.
Is there anyway for the Vatican to sanction the Bishops?
I'd love Pope Francis to fly in and personally give communion to Biden.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jun 26, 2021 15:32:44 GMT
A decision... Members of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops released a document clarifying that they will not create "a national policy on withholding Communion from politicians," seeking to tamp down on escalating debate within the church over banning communion for President Biden. The move came days after a committee voted to begin creating a teaching document on the Holy Eucharist, or the meaning of communion, sparking questions about whether or not the document would include guidelines for politicians who support abortion rights such as Biden. thehill.com/homenews/administration/560363-us-catholic-bishops-vow-no-national-policy-on-withholding-communion
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2021 15:58:40 GMT
Handy reference reminder:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_sexual_abuse_cases
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Post by Really Red on Jun 26, 2021 16:59:32 GMT
A decision... Members of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops released a document clarifying that they will not create "a national policy on withholding Communion from politicians," seeking to tamp down on escalating debate within the church over banning communion for President Biden. The move came days after a committee voted to begin creating a teaching document on the Holy Eucharist, or the meaning of communion, sparking questions about whether or not the document would include guidelines for politicians who support abortion rights such as Biden. thehill.com/homenews/administration/560363-us-catholic-bishops-vow-no-national-policy-on-withholding-communionSo SO many reasons I am no longer a Catholic and this is just one more. A bunch of old men making decisions for women. These old men were probably stunned to have the backlash. They are completely out of step with reality.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jun 26, 2021 18:00:43 GMT
Seems old white men everywhere want to tell women what to do!! Politically, medically everything in our lives. Really Red
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Post by sleepingbooty on Jun 26, 2021 18:10:10 GMT
From what I remember from my childhood years, the Catholic communion wafer just sticks to the roof of your mouth and hangs there for way too long, impossible to be unrooted even by the mightiest of tongues, inconveniencing you without meeting any basic needs like the dreaded mid-mass hunger. Very symbolic of the Church.
The American bishops going against the Pope's explicit demand is also telling. There are several Catholic Churches at work through the world and they're serving very political agendas such as getting their biblical beliefs written into federal law. And hiding their criminals in plain sight.
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Post by catmom on Jun 26, 2021 18:21:56 GMT
The nearly 1,000 children in unmarked graves in western Canada’s residential schools would belie the Catholic church’s supposed concern for human life. Lying murdering fuckers.
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Post by refugeepea on Jun 26, 2021 18:47:06 GMT
I was not raised Catholic, but yeah I don't participate in religion either because of stuff like this.
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Post by refugeepea on Jun 26, 2021 18:47:46 GMT
The nearly 1,000 children in unmarked graves in western Canada’s residential schools would belie the Catholic church’s supposed concern for human life. Lying murdering fuckers. And the children in Ireland.
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Post by kate on Jun 26, 2021 20:35:59 GMT
I'd love Pope Francis to fly in and personally give communion to Biden. This would be AWESOME. I am a faithful, practicing Catholic - and a feminist, and a Communion-receiving sinner. I'm imagining a "sin screening" (like Covid screening) taking place at Mass... "Please stop at the confessional in the side aisles for screening before you join the Communion procession."
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Post by Basket1lady on Jun 26, 2021 20:46:24 GMT
I'd love Pope Francis to fly in and personally give communion to Biden. This would be AWESOME. I am a faithful, practicing Catholic - and a feminist, and a Communion-receiving sinner. I'm imagining a "sin screening" (like Covid screening) taking place at Mass... "Please stop at the confessional in the side aisles for screening before you join the Communion procession." Well, we sort of have this with the examination of conscience. But where do we draw the line? Politicians don’t have a separate set of rules from a normal lay person. When we start policing each member of a parish, it’s going to get sticky. That’s why Catholic doctrine say that we are all sinners. And that my sin isn’t better or worse than your sin (not going into the whole mortal vs venial sins). I know that I pray daily that I’m making the right decisions. That by voting for Biden because of his stance on ALL human rights, that it may negate any demerits against me for supporting abortion in an indirect way. It’s not black or white.
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Post by Merge on Jun 26, 2021 21:14:37 GMT
The American Catholic church has made itself a political tool for the far right. Might be time to rethink those tax exemptions.
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Post by voltagain on Jun 26, 2021 21:24:43 GMT
Is there a questionnaire to be filled out before you’re given the wafer? How would a priest even know the congregant is pro-choice? So for practical purposes, what do these edicts even really mean and how would they be enforced? For the average congregant it means little. For public figures like the Bidens it is a way to attempt to control their support of policies, essentially attempting to force Catholic doctrinal policies on the US public. What the pope bishops are missing is the fact if Biden capitulates to the church he will lose much of his voting base. We are not a Catholic nation.
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Post by voltagain on Jun 26, 2021 21:30:01 GMT
The American Catholic church has made itself a political tool for the far right. Might be time to rethink those tax exemptions. How about ALL churches that want to get into the political arena with their support and preaching.
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Post by kate on Jun 27, 2021 20:34:51 GMT
When we start policing each member of a parish, it’s going to get sticky. So true.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2021 2:35:42 GMT
Foolish men w/foolish ideas in their foolish heads. The Catholic bishops’ anti-Biden project is backfiring "The decision of right-wing Catholic bishops to begin drafting a statement that many of them said was aimed at President Biden and his reception of communion was not just a rebuke to him and to other Catholic Democrats. It was also an attack on Pope Francis, who had made clear that he did not want them to go down this divisive road. And it reinforced the suspicions of the church among progressive-leaning young people already alienated from Christian institutions that champion extreme forms of conservative politics. A group of angry men (they are all men) seemed to want nothing to do with their brothers and sisters who believe that social justice and a radical concern for “the lives of the poor, those already born, the destitute, the abandoned and the underprivileged,” as Francis put it in 2018, should be at the heart of Catholic teaching." www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/06/27/bishops-pressuring-biden-over-abortion-are-compromising-catholic-church/Hey, bishops, once we take care of all of the BORN children, we can start to discuss the non-born using the organs of another person and whether they have that right that no other human has. mkay?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2021 2:52:32 GMT
Hypocritical a3948398es. "Consider, then, the case of Bill Barr, Trump’s attorney general. I know he is Catholic because he was honored by Catholic organizations and praised by several bishops while serving under Trump, in which capacity he oversaw a revival of the federal death penalty and the execution of 13 people. The Catholic Church teaches that the death penalty is immoral and “inadmissible,” based on the same principle—the inviolable dignity of all human life—that forbids abortion. But the bishops’ response to this spate of killings, and to Barr’s role in it, was muted. No committees were formed to discuss this confusion. If Biden’s Catholic practice demands a response from the bishops’ conference that Barr’s did not, then the incoherence the bishops must address is their own." www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2021/06/catholic-bishops-joe-biden-abortion/619288/
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Jun 28, 2021 12:06:52 GMT
The American Catholic church has made itself a political tool for the far right. Might be time to rethink those tax exemptions. Not just the Catholic church.. but all churches who have made themselves political should have their tax exemptions taken away.
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