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Post by onelasttime on Jun 24, 2021 14:30:51 GMT
“Theft Perception Examining the Views of Americans Who Believe the 2020 Election was Stolen”
From the article…
“Key Findings
Republicans widely support Donald Trump and believe his claims about a stolen election. While Republicans support all elements of the ‘Stop the Steal’ narrative in high numbers, the overall electorate largely rejects these claims and propositions.
Among Republicans, 85 percent believe it was appropriate for Trump to file lawsuits challenging election results in several states, and the same proportion believe that vote-by-mail increases vote fraud; 46 percent of Republicans believe it was appropriate for legislators in states won by Joe Biden to try to assign their state’s electoral votes to Trump.
Republicans most committed to both Trump and the narrative of election fraud share a few other views in common: extreme antipathy toward Democrats and immigrants, belief that racism is not a problem, support for nationalism, belief in traditional family values and gender roles, and preference for a very limited role for government in the economy.
While a voter’s willingness to reject an election without evidence of fraud might suggest an embrace of authoritarianism, a key measure of authoritarian leanings — support for a “strong leader who doesn’t have to bother with Congress or elections” — is only weakly correlated to support for Trump and for the stolen election narrative.”
This guy Drutman did a thread about this with a lot of graphs. But this one tweet stood out…
”Who are the Republicans most supportive of Trump and Stop the Steal? They are the Republicans who hold the most far-right attitudes, especially on race and immigration. And they especially hate Democrats.”
I’m certainly not a fan of Republicans these days but I certainly don’t hate them. I’m trying to understand why they hate this country so much they are willing to stand by and watch it destroyed and do nothing about it.
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Post by purplebee on Jun 24, 2021 14:51:53 GMT
This type of information - researched and shown in black and white - is what scares me the most about the sad state of our country. What in the world is going to happen to us if this frightening trend of Republicans still believing lies and twisted facts continues to grow? I am hopeful that President Biden will do the right thing, but with the extreme GOP opposition he faces, how can he be effective? I hate to repeat a statement from the trump reign of terror, but I am really starting the believe that we ARE doomed…
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Post by onelasttime on Jun 24, 2021 14:54:36 GMT
This from the Key Points in the OP may offer the best clue to the thinking of more then a few of those who identify with Republicans/Conservatives…
“Republicans most committed to both Trump and the narrative of election fraud share a few other views in common: extreme antipathy toward Democrats and immigrants, belief that racism is not a problem, support for nationalism, belief in traditional family values and gender roles, and preference for a very limited role for government in the economy.”
It would appear that this lot are living in the past. In a country that no longer exists. And they are trying to push this country back to a time to what they see as the “good old days”.
And the others who identify as conservatives/Republicans that are not part of this group apparently just don’t care. I wonder what it’s going to take before they start to care?
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Post by Really Red on Jun 24, 2021 16:37:46 GMT
We need to stop catering to the idiots.
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Post by flanz on Jun 24, 2021 16:58:47 GMT
I'm sitting here and wondering, WHAT CAN I DO? WHAT CAN WE DO?? The voter suppression and all of the other legislation in Republican state houses that is pulling us back into the dark ages are not to be ignored. I'm deeply concerned that 2022 elections will see Repub majorities in the House and Senate. Again, WHAT CAN I DO???
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Jun 24, 2021 17:03:04 GMT
I am hopeful that President Biden will do the right thing, but with the extreme GOP opposition he faces, how can he be effective? he can't be... we've already seen that, because of one word- MITCH. (eta: wait- THREE words... MITCH, Kyrsten, and Joe.)
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Post by pinklady on Jun 24, 2021 17:14:58 GMT
In my lifetime the Republican Party has NEVER been “great”. They’ve always been the same scumbags they are now, it was just behind closed doors.
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Post by purplebee on Jun 24, 2021 19:50:13 GMT
I am hopeful that President Biden will do the right thing, but with the extreme GOP opposition he faces, how can he be effective? he can't be... we've already seen that, because of one word- MITCH. (eta: wait- THREE words... MITCH, Kyrsten, and Joe.) Unfortunately, a very true statement.
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Post by PLurker on Jun 24, 2021 21:46:57 GMT
We need to stop catering to the idiots. if only...
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Post by mollycoddle on Jun 24, 2021 21:54:02 GMT
They have gone full Batshit.
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Post by elaine on Jun 24, 2021 22:30:40 GMT
“ Theft Perception Examining the Views of Americans Who Believe the 2020 Election was Stolen”
From the article… “Key Findings Republicans widely support Donald Trump and believe his claims about a stolen election. While Republicans support all elements of the ‘Stop the Steal’ narrative in high numbers, the overall electorate largely rejects these claims and propositions. Among Republicans, 85 percent believe it was appropriate for Trump to file lawsuits challenging election results in several states, and the same proportion believe that vote-by-mail increases vote fraud; 46 percent of Republicans believe it was appropriate for legislators in states won by Joe Biden to try to assign their state’s electoral votes to Trump. Republicans most committed to both Trump and the narrative of election fraud share a few other views in common: extreme antipathy toward Democrats and immigrants, belief that racism is not a problem, support for nationalism, belief in traditional family values and gender roles, and preference for a very limited role for government in the economy. While a voter’s willingness to reject an election without evidence of fraud might suggest an embrace of authoritarianism, a key measure of authoritarian leanings — support for a “strong leader who doesn’t have to bother with Congress or elections” — is only weakly correlated to support for Trump and for the stolen election narrative.” I would love to see the data if they asked if they think that military votes should be considered fraudulent? And then, after they respond, follow it up with the percentage of military votes that are mail-in ballots (the majority). Because, you know, the GOP likes to give lip service to supporting the military without actually supporting the military - counting their mail-in votes, funding their healthcare, providing adequate mental healthcare, cutting a wide variety of support to the military, veterans, and their families. They are so anti-military, compared to the Democratic Party, these days that it is jaw dropping.
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Post by AussieMeg on Jun 24, 2021 23:48:41 GMT
Okay, I know that a lot of Republicans are batshit crazy and gullible twits. But I want to know who are the 6% of Democrats who think that trump should never concede?
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Post by onelasttime on Jun 25, 2021 4:53:14 GMT
Another example of the party going off the deep end.
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Post by cycworker on Jun 25, 2021 5:28:11 GMT
I know I'm in Canada, so some would prefer me to not weigh in too heavily. That said - Canada is also fighting a far right who spreads conspiracies.
I have said it many, many, MANY times before... read Teri Kanefield's blog and/or listen to her on Youtube. Check out Heather Cox Richardson, too, as well as Dr Joanne Freeman. Despair immobilizes us. That's why they throw so much disinformation out at us. They want us to get scared & despairing & thus not fight. The Steve Bannons of the world know we outnumber them, so they try to keep us off balance.
And yes - MAGA is really about going back to the days of the robber barrons, when white men could do pretty much whatever they wanted to do.
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Post by lucyg on Jun 25, 2021 6:32:10 GMT
Okay, I know that a lot of Republicans are batshit crazy and gullible twits. But I want to know who are the 6% of Democrats who think that trump should never concede? You may not know the history of the parties. The Republicans started life as the party of Lincoln, the party that freed the slaves. After Reconstruction ended, they grew into the party of industrialists, financiers, rich college-educated people. The Democrats were the party of Southern white landowners and Jim Crow, but also the party of the working class in the North. In the 1930s, Roosevelt’s New Deal ushered in a more forward-looking Democratic Party. In the 1960s, after the Civil Rights and Voting Rights acts were pushed through by a coalition of postwar Democrats and moderate/liberal Republicans, the ugly wing of the Republican Party started wooing those Southern Democrats over to their side, and eventually that’s where most of them landed. The parties basically flipped positions over a period of about 50 years. tl;dr: there are still a few holdouts, conservatives who have maintained Democratic membership while voting straight Republican tickets, and registered Republicans who consider themselves fiscal conservatives but social moderates, and (horrified by Trump) have been voting Democratic in recent years.
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Post by onelasttime on Jul 21, 2021 20:12:03 GMT
The Republicans won’t even allow a debate…
They get away with this because not enough people care what happens in this country.
I would like to know just exactly is it going to take for people to start caring.
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Post by lindas on Jul 21, 2021 20:51:44 GMT
The Republicans won’t even allow a debate… They get away with this because not enough people care what happens in this country. I would like to know just exactly is it going to take for people to start caring. It’s bad enough Congress votes on bills without reading them but Schumer wanted a vote on a bill that hasn’t even been fully written. He knew it was going to fail that’s why he voted with the republicans so he can bring it to the floor again.
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Post by dewryce on Jul 21, 2021 21:00:23 GMT
This from the Key Points in the OP may offer the best clue to the thinking of more then a few of those who identify with Republicans/Conservatives… “ Republicans most committed to both Trump and the narrative of election fraud share a few other views in common: extreme antipathy toward Democrats and immigrants, belief that racism is not a problem, support for nationalism, belief in traditional family values and gender roles, and preference for a very limited role for government in the economy.”It would appear that this lot are living in the past. In a country that no longer exists. And they are trying to push this country back to a time to what they see as the “good old days”. And the others who identify as conservatives/Republicans that are not part of this group apparently just don’t care. I wonder what it’s going to take before they start to care? They role for the government in the economy but interfering with elections is A-OKAY.
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Post by onelasttime on Jul 21, 2021 21:01:07 GMT
The Republicans won’t even allow a debate… They get away with this because not enough people care what happens in this country. I would like to know just exactly is it going to take for people to start caring. It’s bad enough Congress votes on bills without reading them but Schumer wanted a vote on a bill that hasn’t even been fully written. He knew it was going to fail that’s why he voted with the republicans so he can bring it to the floor again. It was vote to debate the bill not to pass it. In the course of debating a bill bits and pieces can be amended, added, or dropped.
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Post by sideways on Jul 21, 2021 21:09:15 GMT
The Republicans won’t even allow a debate… They get away with this because not enough people care what happens in this country. I would like to know just exactly is it going to take for people to start caring. It’s bad enough Congress votes on bills without reading them but Schumer wanted a vote on a bill that hasn’t even been fully written. He knew it was going to fail that’s why he voted with the republicans so he can bring it to the floor again. They weren’t voting on the bill. They were voting on whether to debate the bill. But don’t let facts get in the way of your outrage.
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Post by lindas on Jul 21, 2021 21:11:47 GMT
It’s bad enough Congress votes on bills without reading them but Schumer wanted a vote on a bill that hasn’t even been fully written. He knew it was going to fail that’s why he voted with the republicans so he can bring it to the floor again. It was vote to debate the bill not to pass it. In the course of debating a bill bits and pieces can be amended, added, or dropped. I’m well aware of what it was for but how do you debate something that isn’t even written yet.
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Post by onelasttime on Jul 21, 2021 21:29:02 GMT
It was vote to debate the bill not to pass it. In the course of debating a bill bits and pieces can be amended, added, or dropped. I’m well aware of what it was for but how do you debate something that isn’t even written yet. What do you think they do? Stand around and say “debate” over and over again because you’re convinced no one read the bill or the parts of the bill that are done?
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jul 21, 2021 22:03:20 GMT
onelasttimeI wish I knew what their hate is all about too. It is truly intense, beyond comprehension.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jul 21, 2021 22:31:47 GMT
It was vote to debate the bill not to pass it. In the course of debating a bill bits and pieces can be amended, added, or dropped. I’m well aware of what it was for but how do you debate something that isn’t even written yet. Doesn’t that seem like a good time to debate? Then maybe when it is written it will pass if both parties had a chance to give their input?
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Post by aj2hall on Jul 21, 2021 22:48:37 GMT
The Republicans are just stalling for time. They can’t completely block the bill, but they can delay it. They decided on Monday to vote against debate. If they can delay long enough, the Senate takes a recess Aug 6. Then it would be fall at the earliest before this passes. www.politico.com/news/2021/07/19/gop-infrastructure-deal-500166Though Portman and others cried foul over holding a vote on unfinished legislation, it’s a tried and true strategy for both parties. Republicans kicked off their drive to repeal Obamacare with a vote on proceeding to an unwritten bill; just this Congress, senators in both parties advanced hate crimes and competitiveness legislation before it was finished.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2021 23:45:02 GMT
I watched Narativ Live's podcast last night and that's certainly how it seems. They've become the whackjob party who stands for NOTHING. They just want to gain fame and whine about the Dems/"Libs".
I've said it before, but even my local Congressman drank the koolaid a few months ago. He went from being fairminded and wonderful to just spouting the Trump line with his newsletters and social media posts. It's SO sad!!!! The majority of people posting back are local and pissed!
One more thing. Rep. Eric Swalwell said yesterday that there are many Republicans in Congress & the Senate who are merely playing a role, much like the characters in the WWE. He said that they don't even like to do the theatre performances but they're obligated to do it for their base. He also said that a lot of them get along outside of the Capitol.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jul 22, 2021 0:43:00 GMT
Not enough,!!!!
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Post by sideways on Jul 22, 2021 2:25:12 GMT
It was vote to debate the bill not to pass it. In the course of debating a bill bits and pieces can be amended, added, or dropped. I’m well aware of what it was for but how do you debate something that isn’t even written yet. So, you have no clue how it works.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2021 3:59:02 GMT
I wish I knew what their hate is all about too God, guns, gays, greed. I've said it before, but even my local Congressman drank the koolaid a few months ago. The party is lurching evermore into the land of lunacy. "Republican U.S. Sen. James Lankford would seem to have all the conservative credentials he'd need to coast to re-election in deep-red Oklahoma. A devout Baptist, Lankford was the director of the nation’s largest Christian youth camp for more than a decade. He speaks out regularly against abortion and what he describes as excessive government spending. And his voting record in the Senate aligned with former President Donald Trump’s position nearly 90% of the time. But like several other seemingly safe GOP incumbents, Lankford, who didn't even draw a primary opponent in 2016, finds himself under fierce attack by a challenger in his own party. The antagonist is a 29-year-old evangelical minister and political newcomer who managed to draw more than 2,000 people to a “Freedom Rally" headlined by Donald Trump's former National Security Advisor Michael Flynn, at which Lankford was accused of being not conservative enough. “When James (Lankford) certified the big lie, he joined the big lie," Jackson Lahmeyer told the raucous crowd in Norman, citing Lankford's failure to endorse Trump's false claims about the election outcome. “The 2020 presidential election — that was a stolen election and we will never, ever allow it to happen again.” The state's GOP chairman, John Bennett, has already endorsed Lahmeyer in the race. Political Cartoons Similar scenes are playing out in other red states where ultra right-wing challengers are tapping into anger among Republicans over Trump's election loss and coronavirus-related lockdowns. Some incumbents suddenly are scrambling to defend their right flank, heating up their own rhetoric on social media and ripping into President Joe Biden at every opportunity.In Texas, GOP Gov. Greg Abbott, who faces a contested reelection primary next year, is pushing looser gun laws than he ever previously embraced and proposing unprecedented state actions, including promises to build more walls on the Mexican border. “I think it’s unquestionably attributable to the aftermath of the 2020 election and the insurrection and former President Trump’s claims of voter fraud,” said Alan Abramowitz, a political science professor at Emory University in Atlanta. Some conservative incumbents are obvious targets for right-wing challenges — notably U.S. Reps. Liz Cheney in Wyoming and Anthony Gonzalez in Ohio who voted to impeach Trump. Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp's offense was refusing to block Georgia's electoral votes from being awarded to Biden. But with the 2022 election cycle approaching, the backlash is also touching even those who backed Trump consistently through countless controversies. Texas' Abbott echoed Trump's partisan positions and has banked $55 million in campaign funds, more than any sitting governor in history.
But he's drawn a challenge from Allen West, who until recently was the chairman of the Texas GOP. West, a tea party firebrand and former Florida congressman, has attacked Abbott's leadership after Democrats temporarily thwarted a GOP voting bill by decamping to Washington. And he can draw a crowd. Last year, West led a boisterous rally outside the governor’s mansion to demand an end to coronavirus lockdown restrictions. “We cannot sit around and continue to do nothing,” West told supporters in South Texas during one of his first campaign stops. Actually winning a primary is probably more than many challengers, including West, can expect. But they can succeed in pushing the party farther to the right while also raising their own profiles as public figures."www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2021-07-20/seemingly-safe-gop-incumbents-under-attack-from-right-wing
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Post by onelasttime on Jul 22, 2021 5:00:43 GMT
This guy is just plain disgusting. Boy Texas you sure did scree up with this guy.
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