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Post by aj2hall on Jul 16, 2021 23:22:04 GMT
Misinformation is dangerous and has deadly consequences. Misinformation was one of the leading causes of the Jan 6 insurrection. www.npr.org/2021/03/05/971767967/trump-is-no-longer-tweeting-but-online-disinformation-isnt-going-awaywww.eipartnership.netOn January 6, 2021, an armed mob stormed the US Capitol to prevent the certification of what they claimed was a “fraudulent election.” Many Americans were shocked, but they needn’t have been. The January 6 insurrection was the culmination of months of online mis- and disinformation directed toward eroding American faith in the 2020 election. US elections are decentralized: almost 10,000 state and local election offices are primarily responsible for the operation of elections. Dozens of federal agencies support this effort, including the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA) within the Department of Homeland Security, the United States Election Assistance Commission (EAC), the FBI, the Department of Justice, and the Department of Defense. However, none of these federal agencies has a focus on, or authority regarding, election misinformation originating from domestic sources within the United States. This limited federal role reveals a critical gap for non-governmental entities to fill. Increasingly pervasive mis- and disinformation, both foreign and domestic, creates an urgent need for collaboration across government, civil society, media, and social media platforms.
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Post by tenacious on Jul 17, 2021 1:19:53 GMT
I have lived in communist China and under the censorships and surveillance imposed by a government who operates under the premise of “for your own good.”
I have a very big problem with it.
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Post by freecharlie on Jul 17, 2021 1:23:32 GMT
I'd wonder why they were wasting their time. I do think in certain cases they should be monitoring posts if there is a person of interest they are monitoring.
I do not think my fb posts are private. They are out there and can be shared or screenshotted. It is why I don't comment on public stories like news stations
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Post by cycworker on Jul 17, 2021 1:24:31 GMT
I am really, really torn. I absolutely see what tenacious is saying. We have to be very careful; the slope can be slippery. And by the same token... the lies & misinformation/disinformation about both the 2020 election, and the all things Covid related, are dangerous. On a public forum, there should be monitoring for dangerous untruths like that. It can't be allowed.
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Post by aj2hall on Jul 17, 2021 2:02:36 GMT
99.8 % of the recent deaths are the unvaccinated. Sadly, the recent deaths are preventable with vaccines. One of the best people to convince many of the unvaccinated is former, but he remains silent. I'm not sure that removing misinformation on facebook will convince anyone, but I don't have a problem with it.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jul 17, 2021 2:12:57 GMT
It’s public info.
And the social media platforms are not doing in good faith, an attempt to curb disinformation.
We see lie after outright lies daily.
Jen P. Said it was primarily 12 of the same “people” spreading the lies/disinformation. And it’s not like they’re digging into their personal shit. They’re looking at what these individuals are posting…publicly.
And the lies they’re spreading affect everyone—not just certain people.
I’m good with the government checking these postings out.
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Post by christine58 on Jul 17, 2021 2:23:46 GMT
Here's the thing. FBI already has a team that trolls through social media, either through stuff that was reported to them or because they're already monitoring groups/people. FB already has an algorithm in place to flag posts. Granted it's not great and people land in FB jail for saying something like "I'd burn my house down if a spider that big showed up." Plus you know different law enforcement groups are watching the "dark web" and other sites. To think that your social media isn't completely private is laughable. Along with the FBI ,don’t ask me how I know this, there are other homeland security groups that monitor Alexa. Yes you read that correctly. I have a family member who has extremely high security clearance that works currently for a division of homeland security and he continues to say do not ever buy an Alexa or an echo or any of those devices that you can talk to and will follow your commands like hey Alexa play country music.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Jul 17, 2021 2:55:28 GMT
To answer the asked question, I don’t have a problem with the government monitoring social media. There is no one forcing anyone to be on any of those platforms and they are posting stuff they obviously *want* other people to read. If the content these folks are putting out there is proved to be untrue, it should be flagged or called out in some way and if the person persists in repeatedly posting untrue content that could be harmful to others they should be shut down.
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Post by freecharlie on Jul 17, 2021 2:57:57 GMT
Here's the thing. FBI already has a team that trolls through social media, either through stuff that was reported to them or because they're already monitoring groups/people. FB already has an algorithm in place to flag posts. Granted it's not great and people land in FB jail for saying something like "I'd burn my house down if a spider that big showed up." Plus you know different law enforcement groups are watching the "dark web" and other sites. To think that your social media isn't completely private is laughable. Along with the FBI ,don’t ask me how I know this, there are other homeland security groups that monitor Alexa. Yes you read that correctly. I have a family member who has extremely high security clearance that works currently for a division of homeland security and he continues to say do not ever buy an Alexa or an echo or any of those devices that you can talk to and will follow your commands like hey Alexa play country music. Again, they'd be wasting resources monitoring me. They can see how many times I set a timer, played jeopardy, or added stuff to my shopping list. Even if they were listening when I hadn't said the wake word, their going to be bored and maybe amused when I yell at sports on tv
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Post by magellen on Jul 17, 2021 7:47:03 GMT
Oh I think that our phone calls, emails and even Private conversations are monitored . I am not okay with it.
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Post by hookturnian on Jul 17, 2021 8:20:50 GMT
Monitoring of social media is the tip of the iceberg. Snowden blew the whistle on government surveillance of citizens' private emails, phone locations and web histories years ago.
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Post by mollycoddle on Jul 17, 2021 11:23:30 GMT
I think the people commenting on an expectation of privacy aren’t seeing the issue. It’s not a privacy issue at all. It’s a what happens when the government gets to tell you what to believe and censors anything that doesn’t fall in line with their view issue. It’s a freedom of information issue. It’s a free media and press issue. FB is already flagging posts that contain misinformation. Hell, I got a warning because I jokingly stood a conservative to make sure that he voted on November 3rd. And FB owns its platform, so like it or not, they get to decide what they allow. It’s not a free media issue at all. Zuckerberg , like the Biden administration, happens to believe that Covid is dangerous. He probably thinks that posts saying that the vaccine is dangerous are…dangerous. We keep having this misunderstanding with conservatives. FB is a private company who clearly is happy to help the Biden administration stop the spreading of misinformation. If they didn’t want to help the Biden administration, they could refuse. So this is a company that has agreed to help the administration. I think that asking a company to please stop spreading vaccine misinformation on your platforms is reasonable, given the circumstances that we are in,
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Post by mollycoddle on Jul 17, 2021 11:27:37 GMT
I think the people commenting on an expectation of privacy aren’t seeing the issue. It’s not a privacy issue at all. It’s a what happens when the government gets to tell you what to believe and censors anything that doesn’t fall in line with their view issue. It’s a freedom of information issue. It’s a free media and press issue. FB is already flagging posts that contain misinformation. Hell, I got a warning because I jokingly told a conservative to make sure that he voted on November 3rd. And FB owns its platform, so like it or not, they get to decide what they allow. It’s not a free media issue at all. Zuckerberg , like the Biden administration, happens to believe that Covid is dangerous. He probably thinks that posts saying that the vaccine is dangerous are…dangerous. We keep having this misunderstanding with conservatives. FB is a private company who clearly is happy to help the Biden administration stop the spreading of misinformation. If they didn’t want to help the Biden administration, they could refuse. So this is a company that has agreed to help the administration. I think that asking a company to please stop spreading vaccine misinformation on your platforms is reasonable, given the circumstances that we are in, From this morning’s WaPo: “ During a White House briefing, Rochelle Walensky, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, said the seven-day average of coronavirus infections soared nearly 70 percent in just one week, to about 26,300 cases a day. The seven-day average for hospitalizations has increased, too, climbing about 36 percent from the previous seven-day period, she said. “There is a clear message that is coming through: This is becoming a pandemic of the unvaccinated,” Walensky said. “We are seeing outbreaks of cases in parts of the country that have low vaccination coverage because unvaccinated people are at risk, and communities that are fully vaccinated are generally faring well.” A 70% increase in a week. This should alarm everyone.
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Post by mollycoddle on Jul 17, 2021 11:42:57 GMT
I was wrong. FB is not being entirely cooperative. And I think that *might* be because the posts that the administration wants flagged belong to a relatively small group of people, who generate a lot of looks and comments. I thought that Zuckerberg, who is a smart guy, would agree with science. But maybe not so much.
Anyhow, this should please a lot of people. Not me, though. 🤷♀️
Here ya go
“ But top White House officials have been unsatisfied with the response from social media companies and over the past two days grew far more outspoken about their concerns. They have called on the platforms to make it harder for users to spread false information and have proposed greater investments in content moderation, especially in languages other than English. They also want more action on detecting “super spreaders” and repeat violators of the company’s policies.
White House press secretary Jen Psaki said on Friday that the White House is in regular communication with social media platforms, urging them to remove false narratives such as the notion that coronavirus vaccinations can cause infertility.
The White House has also pressed Facebook to remove the 12 people that one study found are producing 65 percent of anti-vaccine misinformation on social media platforms.
In her comments Friday, Psaki appeared to address concerns about the First Amendment or any heavy-handed government intervention into private business.
“We don’t take anything down. We don’t block anything. Facebook and any private-sector company makes decisions about what information should be on their platform,” she said. “Our point is that there is information that is leading to people not taking the vaccine, and people are dying as a result. And we have a responsibility, as a public health matter, to raise that issue.”
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2021 11:46:12 GMT
"Monitoring" social media posts is one thing. Asking Facebook to censor posts/posters the administration doesn't like is something else. According to Jen Psaki yesterday, the administration is asking FB to remove misinformation about vaccines coming from about 12 people who are posting about 65% of the anti-vaccine content. The "Disinformation Dozen" includes Robert F. Kennedy Jr., a prominent anti-vax guy who has already been removed from Instagram. I have a real problem with this. Covid or not, this is a very slippery slope. The US government should not be deciding what adults can see, read, or hear.Do you have a problem with terrorist spreading their beliefs and radicalizing others? To me spreading misinformation on Covid and the vaccine is just the same - both has the potential to harm others.
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Post by ameslou on Jul 17, 2021 13:28:01 GMT
IMHO anything you put out there for public consumption is fair game for monitoring.
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Post by julie5 on Jul 17, 2021 14:15:41 GMT
Honestly I’m more ok with monitoring social media than the illegal wire tapping that supposedly took place in the early oughts after 9/11. I can choose not to join social media. But talking on the phone, I’m more likely to have more personal info in a phone call than I am on Facebook.
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Post by julie5 on Jul 17, 2021 14:17:27 GMT
Here's the thing. FBI already has a team that trolls through social media, either through stuff that was reported to them or because they're already monitoring groups/people. FB already has an algorithm in place to flag posts. Granted it's not great and people land in FB jail for saying something like "I'd burn my house down if a spider that big showed up." Plus you know different law enforcement groups are watching the "dark web" and other sites. To think that your social media isn't completely private is laughable. Along with the FBI ,don’t ask me how I know this, there are other homeland security groups that monitor Alexa. Yes you read that correctly. I have a family member who has extremely high security clearance that works currently for a division of homeland security and he continues to say do not ever buy an Alexa or an echo or any of those devices that you can talk to and will follow your commands like hey Alexa play country music. For us, Alexa serves absolutely no purpose. So we don’t buy one. I still don’t think they are a good idea. I figured it was my tinfoil hat.
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Post by pancakes on Jul 17, 2021 15:01:56 GMT
I voted no, only because I think they’re already doing it.
I’d be more concerned if they were punishing people wrongly for it.
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Post by CardBoxer on Jul 17, 2021 15:16:35 GMT
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Post by myshelly on Jul 17, 2021 15:40:13 GMT
I think the people commenting on an expectation of privacy aren’t seeing the issue. It’s not a privacy issue at all. It’s a what happens when the government gets to tell you what to believe and censors anything that doesn’t fall in line with their view issue. It’s a freedom of information issue. It’s a free media and press issue. FB is already flagging posts that contain misinformation. Hell, I got a warning because I jokingly stood a conservative to make sure that he voted on November 3rd. And FB owns its platform, so like it or not, they get to decide what they allow. It’s not a free media issue at all. Zuckerberg , like the Biden administration, happens to believe that Covid is dangerous. He probably thinks that posts saying that the vaccine is dangerous are…dangerous. We keep having this misunderstanding with conservatives. FB is a private company who clearly is happy to help the Biden administration stop the spreading of misinformation. If they didn’t want to help the Biden administration, they could refuse. So this is a company that has agreed to help the administration. I think that asking a company to please stop spreading vaccine misinformation on your platforms is reasonable, given the circumstances that we are in, If it is a private company doing it on its own, then it’s not a free media issue. When the government steps in and wants to decide what is or is not misinformation, then it is absolutely a free media issue. I don’t have an issue with FB censoring anything. FB is a private company. The issue here is the involvement of the Biden administration. That is wholly inappropriate and should scare the shit out of anyone who understands it.
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Post by sassyangel on Jul 17, 2021 15:47:43 GMT
As to the question posed, no I do not have a problem with the Feds monitoring social media posts. I am not stupid and I know that anything posted on the internet is not private. If you (general you) expect your social media to be private, you just are not bright. Now for my added opinion, I really don't care if warning labels are added to social media posts. I do have a problem with content being deleted. That is a slippery slope. Even though I'm glad anti-vax posts may be deleted, what about the next time when something I believe in is deleted. I can't have my cake and eat it too so, I'd have to go with no deleting, just flagging posts. If Facebook/Twitter etc knows that a huge whack of misinfo comes from 12 accounts, I’m confused why they haven’t been deplatformed. They deplatformed Trump (eventually) for misinformation they deemed dangerous to the wider community. This is no different.
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Post by sassyangel on Jul 17, 2021 15:56:13 GMT
Oh I think that our phone calls, emails and even Private conversations are monitored . I am not okay with it. What exactly are you going to do about it, though?
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Post by librarylady on Jul 17, 2021 16:07:18 GMT
Just so you are aware: When electronic posts are "monitored" it means there is a program set to get a hit when a specific word or words are used. It does not mean that some person is reading every post. Example: (I think most schools use something like this) Our school email program was set to seek for words related to something about sex. The settings eventually uncovered 2 teachers who were having a torrid affair and sending explicit messages to one another. Both lost their jobs because the emails were sent during the time they were supposed to be teaching class. Timing let the administration know that it was not sent outside of instruction time.
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Post by mollycoddle on Jul 17, 2021 16:19:56 GMT
FB is already flagging posts that contain misinformation. Hell, I got a warning because I jokingly stood a conservative to make sure that he voted on November 3rd. And FB owns its platform, so like it or not, they get to decide what they allow. It’s not a free media issue at all. Zuckerberg , like the Biden administration, happens to believe that Covid is dangerous. He probably thinks that posts saying that the vaccine is dangerous are…dangerous. We keep having this misunderstanding with conservatives. FB is a private company who clearly is happy to help the Biden administration stop the spreading of misinformation. If they didn’t want to help the Biden administration, they could refuse. So this is a company that has agreed to help the administration. I think that asking a company to please stop spreading vaccine misinformation on your platforms is reasonable, given the circumstances that we are in, If it is a private company doing it on its own, then it’s not a free media issue. When the government steps in and wants to decide what is or is not misinformation, then it is absolutely a free media issue. I don’t have an issue with FB censoring anything. FB is a private company. The issue here is the involvement of the Biden administration. That is wholly inappropriate and should scare the shit out of anyone who understands it. The important point here is that FB is free not to comply-and so far they aren’t.
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Post by pinklady on Jul 17, 2021 17:12:20 GMT
As to the question posed, no I do not have a problem with the Feds monitoring social media posts. I am not stupid and I know that anything posted on the internet is not private. If you (general you) expect your social media to be private, you just are not bright. Now for my added opinion, I really don't care if warning labels are added to social media posts. I do have a problem with content being deleted. That is a slippery slope. Even though I'm glad anti-vax posts may be deleted, what about the next time when something I believe in is deleted. I can't have my cake and eat it too so, I'd have to go with no deleting, just flagging posts. If Facebook/Twitter etc knows that a huge whack of misinfo comes from 12 accounts, I’m confused why they haven’t been deplatformed. They deplatformed Trump (eventually) for misinformation they deemed dangerous to the wider community. This is no different. I have no problem with Facebook and Twitter suspending/deleting accounts. It’s their platform and the first amendment does not apply in any way shape or form.
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Post by KikiPea on Jul 17, 2021 19:08:53 GMT
Yes, I would have a serious issue with it. I wouldn’t even interview for a company that would ask for my FB password to see anything that is not set to public. It’s private for a reason. Stay out of my personal business.
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Post by sassyangel on Jul 17, 2021 19:23:18 GMT
If Facebook/Twitter etc knows that a huge whack of misinfo comes from 12 accounts, I’m confused why they haven’t been deplatformed. They deplatformed Trump (eventually) for misinformation they deemed dangerous to the wider community. This is no different. I have no problem with Facebook and Twitter suspending/deleting accounts. It’s their platform and the first amendment does not apply in any way shape or form. That’s my argument, those 12 accounts should’ve been. I was questioning why they haven’t been. Deplatforming someone is no longer giving a platform to post their content, i.e banning them. I just realized you might not be familiar with that new-ish word, my apologies.
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Post by sassyangel on Jul 17, 2021 19:27:10 GMT
Yes, I would have a serious issue with it. I wouldn’t even interview for a company that would ask for my FB password to see anything that is not set to public. It’s private for a reason. Stay out of my personal business. This isn’t the same as that, though.
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Post by lindas on Jul 17, 2021 21:14:24 GMT
If Facebook were to ban those 12 accounts now it would be seen as bowing to pressure from the Biden admin and would play right into Trump’s lawsuit accusing them of being government actors.
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