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Post by SockMonkey on Jul 19, 2021 17:21:13 GMT
She was a really nice girl, and she apologized and said she is not good at giving change. But really, it is just basic math and counting. It is like she did not know how much a dime or a nickel were worth! I remember as a kid doing homework where we had to do worksheets where we count coins. Do they do that anymore?! It's possible she has dyscalculia, which is like dyslexia only with numeracy. She admitted to you that she's not good at giving change, and clearly struggled with the task. Layer that with the fact that many transactions are cashless these days, children don't interact with cash as often as "we" did (speaking as a Gen Xer), and the anxiety of knowing she struggles with making change and being uncomfortable. It sounds like you were kind, but I do want to bring attention to the fact that dyscalculia is a real disability, and that there are multiple reasons a person might struggle with this, so I hope we all approach these situations with patience.
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Post by malibou on Jul 19, 2021 18:17:19 GMT
She was a really nice girl, and she apologized and said she is not good at giving change. But really, it is just basic math and counting. It is like she did not know how much a dime or a nickel were worth! I remember as a kid doing homework where we had to do worksheets where we count coins. Do they do that anymore?! It's possible she has dyscalculia, which is like dyslexia only with numeracy. She admitted to you that she's not good at giving change, and clearly struggled with the task. Layer that with the fact that many transactions are cashless these days, children don't interact with cash as often as "we" did (speaking as a Gen Xer), and the anxiety of knowing she struggles with making change and being uncomfortable. It sounds like you were kind, but I do want to bring attention to the fact that dyscalculia is a real disability, and that there are multiple reasons a person might struggle with this, so I hope we all approach these situations with patience. You are absolutely right! And no way would I shame someone struggling like that. Patience is still a virtue.
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Post by slicksister on Jul 19, 2021 18:20:51 GMT
I think we had a thread before about kids not knowing how to make change. I had an experience the other day that really had me worried about the future! LOL! I bought something that came out to $12.08. I gave the gal $20.00 and was wondering if I should give her the $0.08 too, but decided not to. So, she proceeds to give me change. The cash register tells her how much to give me, $7.92. Easy right? I get the $7.00, then I get $0.75, and then here is where things got complicated. She slowly gives me a dime. OK, so far so good, we are at $0.85. Then she halts for a bit, gets more coins out of the till, and tries to give me another dime and two pennies. I tell her no, that's wrong, it's $0.92, not $0.97. She takes the coins back, stands there for a few seconds, gets the coins and once again, tries to give me another dime!! I tell her no, a nickel, not a dime. She tries again, once again I get the darn dime! On the fourth try, she gives me the nickel, but she was so hesitant about it. She was a really nice girl, and she apologized and said she is not good at giving change. But really, it is just basic math and counting. It is like she did not know how much a dime or a nickel were worth! I remember as a kid doing homework where we had to do worksheets where we count coins. Do they do that anymore?! Is it possible that she was not raised in the US? The terms quarter, nickel and dime are not common outside the US. Canada has nickels, dimes and quarters. Loonies and toonies too but that's a discussion for another time LOL
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2021 18:21:25 GMT
When I worked retail I hated giving change even though the till told me how much, my brain just doesn't work in numbers and people watching and tutting and judging just made the whole thing worse.
It's worth remembering we're all a little bit stupid about certain things.
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Post by sean&marysmommy on Jul 19, 2021 21:02:58 GMT
I didn't realize counting change and telling time on an analog clock weren't covered in depth in public school anymore. We're homeschooling, and we cover those things. My daughter just finished 1st grade and she can tell time to the minute now, on an analog clock. She struggled with that concept until she learned to count by 5s, and then it came much more easily. We haven't covered things like "quarter till" or "quarter after" yet. She knows all of her coins, but struggles to count quarters up to a dollar. It will just take some practice/time.
We started both time (to the hour and half hours only) and change (pennies and nickels) in Kindergarten, and moved on to the rest this past school year. It has felt age appropriate so far, the pacing in our curriculum.
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Post by SAHM wannabe on Jul 19, 2021 21:52:37 GMT
Elementary teacher here …
I would agree that telling time on an analog clock and counting back change are not taught in depth the way they used to be, but the concepts are still taught.
However, these are skills that aren’t “needed” the way they were when we were students. My guess is that many of us would be impressed by the ease with which students navigate computer technology or at least don’t have a fear of tackling new programs. That’s because they’re learning to use the tools that are “needed” for their future success.
Progress!
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Post by AussieMeg on Jul 19, 2021 23:35:58 GMT
Hmmmm, I'm not entirely sure. I know that when I do my grocery shopping, they call out the rounded up/down amount, but I usually pay by card, so it goes through as the exact amount. Since you don't have pennies anymore is merchandise just priced in 5 cent increments? I vaguely remember when we first got rid of one and two cent coins, I was led to believe that shops would not be allowed to price items like $3.99. But shop owners still did. These days places like Target and K-Mart etc, price most of their goods at an even dollar value, so $2 or $10 or $46 . It's uncommon to see anything priced with cents in those shops, unless it is on sale or very small items. Other shops still price things like $19.95. And our GST (sales tax) is included in the price, so we don't have to pay $7 plus tax. Oh, and they weren't called pennies here, which is odd given how much Australians like to make up words or shorten words and chuck a 'y' or 'ie' on the end!
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Post by crazy4scraps on Jul 20, 2021 1:45:53 GMT
My kid covered all of those topics in elementary school, and fairly in depth too (counting change, writing in cursive, reading an analog clock). She learned how to “count up” to make change in 3rd or 4th grade. For the example of making change from a $20 with a bill of $12.08, first add .02 to get to 10¢, a dime and a nickel to get to 25¢, three more quarters to get to $13. Then two $1’s to get to $15 plus a $5 gets you up to $20.
My kid can do math crazy fast in her head. From the time she was first learning to add and subtract, we would make a game of it when we would be out shopping, etc. Now that she’s older, our game has switched to percentages, discounts and decimals. This stuff is all so much easier when it’s used every day.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Jul 20, 2021 10:52:31 GMT
I think it's just a societal/generational difference. And I see nothing wrong with that. I admit I'm lacking too in technology in some ways. My daughter has asked me twice now if she can Venmo me money. I have no idea how it works. I need to go and look it up so I can figure out if that's a reasonable way to do things. She hates going to the ATM and pulling out cash for me.
I was looking for a kitchen timer for the longest time. I did not want a digital one because I didn't want to have a hard time just washing it. I wanted just one of those old fashioned circular crank ones. It took me and Jeremy forever to find one. I also would prefer a non digital meat thermometer. But I haven't been able to find one. So I have a digital one and I have to carefully hand wash it.
I think we all have struggles with things whether they be manual or technological based on our age/generation.
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Post by iluvpink on Jul 20, 2021 11:02:11 GMT
I'm going to chime in and say that dyscalculia is real and my dd has it and the psychologist that tested her said based on my history and problems with math and school that it's likely that I have it also.
I'm 50 and had parents that cared, tutoring and did well in school otherwise. But math forget it. And counting back change is so much harder because of the pressure of doing it quickly and in front of someone. I'm sure a lot of it does have to do with kids not being taught properly these days, but for some it's always been an issue.
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Post by iowgirl on Jul 20, 2021 12:50:08 GMT
I had an experience with gramma when we went to lunch together last month. gramma wanted to take cookies back to my grandchildren, so she asked for a half dozen cookies. The young clerk said, "OK, how many?" gramma replied, "a half dozen". The girl looked like a deer in the headlights. Luckily, gramma helped her out with "that's 6." I'm amazed at what our children are not learning in the practical applications department. I once ordered 12" sandwich at Subway. The girl looked at me very confused and said they only had 6" and foot long. So I said, OK - make it a foot long If they get cash, it’s bills and they just hand over paper money and get change. My 16 year old niece is the same way with change. However she gave up on coins in kindergarten once she learned paper money is worth more. She couldn’t tell the difference between a penny, nickel, dime or quarter. Ask her to go in your wallet to get money for ice cream and she’d always pull out the $20 🤣 THIS! I worked a lot of concession stands during my kids sports careers and the amount of kids that would bring a $20 to pay for a .50 item, and then come back later with another $20 for the same .50 candy blew my mind! I couldn't decide if they were working the game with the parent and keeping the change, or if they just had a pocketful of cash. I often had to yell at them to come back for their change. They'd hand me the $20 and just walk off when I handed them the candy. I absolutely do not do things for them that they can do for themselves. I'm working on teaching them lifeskills. This needs to happen more! I started my kids very young with ordering their own food at fast food places, and understanding how to pay for it and get the right change back. It helps them interact with adults and people in general too. I really think we are starting to raise kids that are terrified of the world and just can't interact anymore. One of the 'games' we played when they were young was "Grocery Store" .. I put real money/change in a toy cash register and they would use it to make change. I see so many posts on Facebook about how the schools need to teach kids life skills like banking, money management, taxes how to vote, etc.. .. I'm sitting there thinking what are parents supposed to be teaching kids also! We started paying our kids quite young for work on the farm. Not huge amounts when they were super young, but enough that we could teach them money management skills. They went to the bank and deposited their money, balanced their books and talked to the banker. Maybe it is the small town aspect, but the bank was always willing to work with the kids and show them how to deal with banking matters. They were more than happy to do this. They also started having to file taxes fairly young. I know that it's not possible for every kid to be able to work and need to file taxes, but the parents should at least clue them in one what they are doing every year. Our school did have a "Life Skills" class. It was a pretty easy class, but they did show kids how to at least make a meal, some basic accounting, and some auto skills like checking oil, changing a tire etc. My kids never took the class, because that was part of everyday life for them. Kids also need to be taught (either at home or at school) what all these MLM business do, so they can NOT get lured in to these cockamamie schemes. They think they are getting an actual job or starting their own business and loosing so much money and even ruining their credit.
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Post by mcjunkin on Jul 20, 2021 13:52:32 GMT
Not money, but several clerks at the Petco do not know how many a "dozen" is. We will ask for three dozen or four dozen crickets, and they will ask how many that is. And oddly enough, it is not just the young clerks.
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Post by candygurl on Jul 20, 2021 13:57:06 GMT
I’m horrible with counting back change lol but do know basic change. My nephew during 2nd grade barely did coins lessons. In third he did do some worksheets with clocks but then again this was during covid so who knows. It’s sad the stuff they have to teach for the state testing.
This year he did no science only social studies and learning about his home state. It’s hard to cover everything but you would think learning about money would be one of the most important lessons along with reading and grammar. Idk makes me want to do my own lesson with him lol!
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Post by janeliz on Jul 20, 2021 14:09:21 GMT
I’m actually quite good with numbers and math. But I avoid any sort of task where I am counting or making change for people, like at a concession stand or ticket booth at my kids’ sporting events, etc.
If I’m standing there making change, there’s a line of people waiting, and the customer is staring at me? I freeze up and my mind goes completely blank. It’s awful. It doesn’t happen every single time, but it’s obviously some sort of stress response. 🤷♀️
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Post by PLurker on Jul 20, 2021 14:20:17 GMT
jeremysgirl my adult kids still have their "kid/teen" accounts active for just that reason. We can easily transfer money back and forth between the 3 of us as I was the "adult in charge" of those accounts. So if they pick something up for me, I transfer $ there (no delays/no fées) and they can then get it at will. And the reverse, if I pick up something for them at their request, they put $ there and tell me to take it. Works for us. Or works between the two of them, too. (all accounts, same online bank)
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Post by warrior1991 on Jul 20, 2021 15:13:29 GMT
I don't remember struggling with telling time on an analog clock or counting quarters. But I struggled with fractions. Still do with some, like if 5/16 is bigger or smaller then 5/32. Ugh. But that only matters at work. (I'm an office manager for a construction company, and I have a chart I can look at).
I knew 1/4, 1/2, and 3/4. (Knowing an analog clock helped there). But could not get 1/3 for the longest time. Even when baking it would be hard. I would just read the recipe and follow it EXACTLY. If I ever had to double it, that would be torture.
1/8, 3/8, 5/8, and 7/8 were completely foreign to me. Until I started matted my layers in card making. I can not eye-ball cutting the matting layer, I HAVE to measure, so I had to start learning the measurements instead of "6 little lines". LOL!!
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