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Post by revirdsuba99 on Dec 15, 2021 14:25:42 GMT
I'm concerned that there is no mention of what was going on the National Mall starting after 9:00am... Arms and all. This was prior to the rally on the Ellipse.
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Post by onelasttime on Dec 15, 2021 19:06:18 GMT
Good!
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Dec 16, 2021 5:33:31 GMT
Poor Gym..... 'Jim Jordan is a traitor': Democrat blasts Trump ally for text message urging Pence to reject Biden votes John Wright December 15, 2021 Look, Jim Jordan is a traitor," Gallego added. "He's a traitor to the Constitution of the United States. He has been a traitor to the Constitution of the United States for quite a while, and now we actually have it in text." Gallego added that no one should be surprised given that Jordan was among those who "made up lies on the House floor" on Jan. 6 about fraudulent votes in states including Arizona. How is anybody surprised by any of this?" he said. "My biggest issue isn't Jim Jordan. My issue is the fact that there are a lot of people who are not taking this seriously — the fact that there is a slow-moving coup that is happening right now all over this country led by the Jim Jordans and other people." Gallego said that instead of storming the Capitol, Trump supporters are now focused on capturing seats that could allow them to overturn a future election. www.rawstory.com/jim-jordan-2656048198/
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Post by onelasttime on Dec 16, 2021 17:41:56 GMT
What this guy and every other critics of the 1/6 Select Committee are deliberately ignoring is it is the investigation of an attempt to overthrow a legally elected government. Which means you go where the evidence leads you and executive privilege be damned. Note the two weak examples this guy provides. What happened on January 6 made those two “examples” look like saplings in a forest of Redwoods.
From the Washington Post…
“Meadows referral creates new legal, political challenge for Garland and DOJ”
“Former White House chief of staff Mark Meadows speaks to reporters outside the White House in October 2020.
By Matt Zapotosky Yesterday at 6:48 p.m. EST
“The U.S. House of Representatives’ decision to hold former White House chief of staff Mark Meadows in criminal contempt again puts at the feet of the Justice Department a political and legal conundrum, analysts say.
If prosecutors charge Meadows for failing to comply with a subpoena from the committee investigating the Jan. 6 breach of the U.S. Capitol, they could risk undermining the ability of the executive branch to keep officials’ discussions private — including in future administrations. They could also face Republican allegations that they’re abandoning precedent to unfairly target a political foe. Decline to do so, however, and federal prosecutors could hamstring lawmakers’ investigation into a brazen attack on the seat of American democracy, while facing blistering criticism from Democrats and liberal groups.
Congress’s latest contempt referral is another political headache for Attorney General Merrick Garland, who came to the department hoping to extricate the Justice Department from partisan infighting after the Trump presidency. It is being handled initially by career prosecutors in the U.S. attorney’s office in D.C., who could seek a grand jury indictment. High-level officials will surely assess those prosecutors’ decisions.
On Wednesday, President Biden weighed in on the matter, saying Meadows was “worthy of being held in contempt.”
Meadows’s attorney has said he is refusing to appear before the committee because “as a former Chief of Staff he cannot be compelled to appear for questioning and that he as a witness is not licensed to waive Executive Privilege claimed by the former president.”
But while former president Donald Trump might have some say in the matter, invoking executive privilege is up to the current president, not the former one.
And in November, a lawyer for Biden told Meadows that the president won’t do so in this case — a decision which Meadows’s attorney has suggested would depart from a long tradition of presidents protecting current and former White House aides from compelled testimony.
“As with all criminal referrals, we will evaluate the matter based on the facts and the law, and the Principles of Federal Prosecution,” said Bill Miller, a spokesman for the U.S. attorney’s office in D.C. A spokesman for Garland declined to comment.
The House voted in October to hold former White House chief strategist Stephen K. Bannon in criminal contempt for his refusal to comply with a subpoena from the Jan. 6 committee. Less than a month later, the Justice Department charged Bannon with two counts of contempt. The charges, which each carry a maximum sentence of one year in jail, were seen as a warning shot to others who might resist the committee’s demands.
But bringing a case against Meadows will be more challenging than bringing one against Bannon, analysts say. Bannon was not a White House official during the events surrounding Jan. 6 — so it’s harder for him to claim his conversations with the president should be protected.
Meadows, in contrast, was Trump’s chief of staff during the insurrection. Past Justice Department legal opinions have asserted generally that, if the president invokes executive privilege, his senior aides cannot be made to testify. This instance is unusual, however, in that the current and former presidents find themselves at odds.
Trump has sought to keep his White House records out of the hands of the Jan. 6 committee — though last week, a federal appeals court rejected his bid to do so.
“This is a harder call than Bannon,” former U.S. Attorney Barbara McQuade, who served in the Obama administration, said of compelling Meadows to appear. “Bannon was an easy call because he was out of the White House by the time he spoke to President Trump about the issues that the committee is interested in. Meadows, on the other hand, is the chief of staff. He probably has a stronger claim than anyone on the planet, based on his position.”
The Justice Department has in recent history refused to bring criminal cases against current and former administration officials after contempt findings from Congress, citing the invocation of executive privilege.
In 2008, for example, the department rebuffed charges against President George W. Bush’s chief of staff, Joshua Bolten, and former White House counsel Harriet Miers, who had resisted subpoenas over the controversial forced resignations of U.S. attorneys. In 2012, the department declined to pursue a contempt prosecution against Attorney General Eric Holder, who refused to turn over some documents about the so-called Fast and Furious scandal, a gunrunning sting gone wrong.
“The executive branch generally takes an expansive view of executive privilege, and they have got to be thinking about what precedent is created if and when Republicans take control of the House of Representatives in a year,” said Will Moschella, who served as assistant attorney general in the Office of Legislative Affairs in the Justice Department under George W. Bush.
Before Meadows failed to appear for a deposition before the committee, he had been at least somewhat cooperative — turning over thousands of documents, including personal emails and text messages, that his attorneys believed were not privileged. But in early December, his attorney said he would not appear for a deposition and would respond only to written questions.
New details on Mark Meadows’s role in trying to overturn the election McQuade said Meadows’s failure to appear at all — rather than show up and individually refuse to provide information he believed could be privileged — might make the case easier to prosecute. “There are many things he could answer that are not privileged, including things like conversations he had with third parties,” she said.
George J. Terwilliger III, Meadows’s attorney, wrote to the committee on Monday that a referral for prosecution “would be contrary to law, manifestly unjust, unwise, and unfair.” He had earlier filed a lawsuit seeking to have a federal judge declare the committee’s subpoenas invalid.
“A referral of a senior presidential aide would also be unwise because it would do great damage to the institution of the Presidency, as restraint in the application of the statute over time attests,” Terwilliger wrote.
Rep. Bennie G. Thompson (D-Miss.), the committee chairman, said Tuesday: “This isn’t about any sort of privilege or immunity. This is about Mr. Meadows refusing to comply with a subpoena to discuss the records he himself turned over.”
Even if Meadows were to be prosecuted and convicted, that would not by itself get Congress the information it seeks, analysts said. To accomplish that, Congress would have to sue Meadows and have a judge hold him in civil contempt, throwing him in jail until he agreed to cooperate. And that process might not wrap up before the midterm elections, the analysts said.
“The criminal referral’s about punishment, but part of that process is not he gets ordered to go testify,” said former federal prosecutor Randall Eliason. “If what they’re really about is getting the testimony, then they need to move on that front, as well.”
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2021 18:46:04 GMT
To remind folks what Trump was tweeting during the desecration and destruction of the Capitol. "Mike Pence didn't have the courage..." = "Mike Pence didn't follow our Powerpoint plan to throw out the LEGALLY COUNTED AND VERIFIED VOTES OF 8 STATES IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA".
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Dec 16, 2021 20:18:30 GMT
Fine Meadows should sit and discuss the public content of his published book. He wrote it, talk about it.
As far as I know, what is on his personal phone and emails is not privileged. Certainly not since HE was the person who provided the info!
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Dec 16, 2021 21:06:34 GMT
MSNBC Nicole Wallace just mentioned that DOJ Donoughue(?) gave his notes to the Select Committee.. he one of the ones who said he would walk if former made Clark AG...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2021 22:22:54 GMT
Call your Congressional reps. Jordan must go. He advocates actions outside of the Constitution.
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Post by refugeepea on Dec 16, 2021 23:30:15 GMT
Hmmm, I would like to know more about their Tweets and messages.
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Post by onelasttime on Dec 16, 2021 23:48:42 GMT
I wonder if he will claim executive privilege or take the 5th amendment?
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Dec 17, 2021 5:54:31 GMT
Gohmert ..... Barr, didn’t go along with those claims either. And much of the Rosen-era DOJ, according to Cheney, didn’t like Gohmert’s lawsuit against Pence. However, one person in the DOJ who was favorable to Gohmert’s lawsuit, according to Cheney, was then-Acting Assistant U.S. Attorney General Jeffrey Clark, who, unlike Rosen, wanted the DOJ to pursue Trump’s voter fraud claims. www.rawstory.com/mike-pence-lawsuit-2656056578/
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Dec 17, 2021 14:06:59 GMT
Call your Congressional reps. Jordan must go. He advocates actions outside of the Constitution.
He’s a fucking weasel, an inefficient representative of Ohio.
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Post by onelasttime on Dec 17, 2021 21:55:14 GMT
What amazes me is how it was so easy for these guys to talk about overturning a legal election. And did they think it would be a ok if the Supreme Court bought into this?
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Post by onelasttime on Dec 17, 2021 23:57:35 GMT
So close…
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Dec 18, 2021 0:05:10 GMT
Good for her! I hope she stays straight arrow..
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Dec 18, 2021 14:21:38 GMT
Ali Alexander seems to be talking.... 'Stop the Steal' organizer fingered the GOP lawmakers he communicated with to House riot committee: report Tom Boggioni December 18, 2021 According to a report from Politico, Ali Alexander -- one of the principles behind the "Stop the Steal" rally that preceded the storming of the U.S. Capitol -- has handed over names of Republican Party lawmakers he was in communication with prior to the events on Jan 6th. The report notes Alexander revealed the names in the lawsuit he filed attempting to block the House committee from accessing his phone records. The report notes that, in the late Friday court filing, Alexander admits he had "a few phone conversations" with Rep. Paul Gosar (R-AZ) and engaged in a "text exchange with Rep. Mo Brooks (R-AL)."
Politico reports that Alexander also implicated Rep. Andy Biggs (R-AZ) saying he was in contact in person “and never by phone, to the best of his recollection,” according to his lawyers. www.rawstory.com/trump-stop-the-steal-2656065834/
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Post by onelasttime on Dec 21, 2021 17:42:19 GMT
Two thoughts come to mind
1. If you have nothing to hide
2. For 11 hours Hillary Clinton sat at hearing and answered every question.
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Post by onelasttime on Dec 21, 2021 17:54:11 GMT
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Dec 21, 2021 18:06:27 GMT
Surprised? Nope!!
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Post by onelasttime on Dec 22, 2021 20:07:01 GMT
👍🏻
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Post by onelasttime on Dec 22, 2021 20:26:17 GMT
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Post by Montannie on Dec 22, 2021 21:59:31 GMT
I think the committee will begin live public hearings in January. I can't wait!
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Dec 23, 2021 0:06:03 GMT
Yes!!!!
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Dec 26, 2021 22:24:30 GMT
MTG on a rant claiming that the Select Committee is holding the insurrectionists in jail.. what?
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Dec 28, 2021 3:02:50 GMT
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Dec 28, 2021 4:54:54 GMT
And the plot thickens .. Another book . Peter Navarro and Bannon in cohorts!! REVEALED: Peter Navarro planned conspiracy with Steve Bannon by ‘lining up over 100 congressmen’ to overthrow the electionSarah K. Burris December 27, 2021 Peter Navarro's name hasn't come up much when it comes to the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol and the last-minute plot to overthrow the 2020 election, but his recently published memoir admits to exactly that. The Daily Beast revealed Monday that Navarro's book cites Steve Bannon as a cohort in a "hail Mary" attempt to stop the election certification. Further, Navarro confessed that he coordinated with Republican members of Congress to do it. The claim could explain the apology text message that Mark Meadows turned over to the committee reading "I'm sorry" and "we tried."The co-conspirators even named the mission, calling it "the Green Bay Sweep." When discussing it in an interview with the Beast, he named Rep. Paul Gosar (R-AZ) and Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) as officials who helped spearhead the effort."We spent a lot of time lining up over 100 congressmen, including some senators. It started out perfectly. At 1 p.m., Gosar and Cruz did exactly what was expected of them,” Navarro told the Beast. "It was a perfect plan. And it all predicated on peace and calm on Capitol Hill. We didn’t even need any protestors, because we had over 100 congressmen committed to it." "That commitment appeared as Congress was certifying the 2020 Electoral College votes reflecting that Joe Biden beat Trump. Sen. Cruz signed off on Congressman Gosar’s official objection to counting Arizona’s electoral ballots, an effort that was supported by dozens of other Trump loyalists," the Beast recalled. It's unknown whether the House Committee has caused Cruz and Gosar to testify or requested documents from them. However, Navarro's book may be the catalyst that sparks the subpoenas. Navarro explained that the goal was to run out the clock to pressure then-Vice President Mike Pence to stop the certification, something he believed he had no power to do. As Pence's book revealed, he had already spoken to former Vice President Dan Quayle (R-IN) about the request. They thought that the speeches from 100 members would force the media to cover the unproven conspiracy theories about election fraud that were never proven. Instead, thousands of Trump supporters ascended on the U.S. Capitol in a violent attack, sending those same members running for their lives. After returning to the chamber, many avid Trump supporters were unwilling to oppose the election any further. "The Green Bay Sweep was very well thought out. It was designed to get us 24 hours of televised hearings," Navarro asserted. "But we thought that we could bypass the corporate media by getting this stuff televised." Bannon allegedly warned on his show that "all hell is going to break loose." But he later tried to correct the record, saying he wasn't talking about the violence but about Pence. "What I was talking about was Pence. Call the play, run the play. Pence was going to send it back to Arizona. Send it back to Georgia. Send it back to Pennsylvania," Bannon claimed. Bannon never spoke to Pence, who never had any intention of sending the election back to the states, according to his book. “My role was to provide the receipts for the 100 congressmen or so who would make their cases… who could rely in part on the body of evidence I'd collected,” Navarro confessed to the Beast. "To lay the legal predicate for the actions to be taken."No massive election fraud effort has been uncovered. Any individual crimes wouldn't have changed any of the outcomes. "Steve Bannon’s role was to figure out how to use this information—what he called 'receipts'—to overturn the election result. That’s how Steve had come up with the Green Bay Sweep idea," Navarro wrote in his new book. "The political and legal beauty of the strategy was this: by law, both the House of Representatives and the Senate must spend up to two hours of debate per state on each requested challenge. For the six battleground states, that would add up to as much as twenty-four hours of nationally televised hearings across the two chambers of Congress." When Navarro woke up on Jan. 6 he got a text message from Bannon saying that the Green Bay Sweep was a go. "Call the play. Run the play," the book said. He also said he was scheduled to speak to the crowds at the Ellipse, but it ultimately wasn't in the cards. Navarro was grateful because he really needed to focus on his attempt to overthrow the election. "It was better for me to spend that morning working on the Green Bay Sweep. Just checking to see that everything was in line, that congressmen were on board," Navarro confessed. "It was a pretty mellow morning for me. I was convinced everything was set in place.” Bannon hasn't commented on the fact that Navarro implicates him in his book. www.rawstory.com/peter-navarro-bannon-conpiracy-republicans/
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Dec 30, 2021 1:48:18 GMT
This could be fun.... Jan. 6 committee announces new GOP congressional targetJohn Wright December 29, 2021 If he has information he wants to share with us, and is willing to voluntarily come in, I'm not taking the invitation off the table," Rep. Bennie Thompson (D-MS) told ABC News. "If Leader McCarthy has nothing to hide, he can voluntarily come before the committee." *** Thompson added that he would consider sending McCarthy a formal request to appear before the committee. If he does so, the House GOP leader would become the third Republican in Congress invited to testify, joining Reps. Jim Jordan of Ohio and Scott Perry of Pennsylvania. McCarthy, who reportedly had a shouting match with former president Donald Trump on Jan. 6, was asked this week by KBAK whether he would cooperate with the Jan. 6 committee. "I don't have anything to add," McCarthy responded. "I have been very public, but I wouldn't hide from anything."www.rawstory.com/kevin-mccarthy-2656194524/
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Post by refugeepea on Dec 30, 2021 2:02:12 GMT
The co-conspirators even named the mission, calling it "the Green Bay Sweep." When discussing it in an interview with the Beast, he named Rep. Paul Gosar (R-AZ) and Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) as officials who helped spearhead the effort. Teddy has been on a twitter tirade since this came out.
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Post by refugeepea on Dec 30, 2021 2:04:58 GMT
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Post by refugeepea on Dec 30, 2021 2:06:57 GMT
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