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Post by voltagain on Jul 30, 2021 21:14:49 GMT
Do you have a summary? It's behind a paywall. I am sorry. I didn't realize it was behind a paywall. dewryce has a summary in her post below your's (above this one)
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Post by dewryce on Jul 30, 2021 21:19:17 GMT
Do you have a summary? It's behind a paywall. I am sorry. I didn't realize it was behind a paywall. dewryce has a summary in her post below your's (above this one) I was surprised, I thought the Post’s COVID related articles were made available to everyone for free.
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Post by voltagain on Jul 30, 2021 21:20:54 GMT
I am sorry. I didn't realize it was behind a paywall. dewryce has a summary in her post below your's (above this one) I was surprised, I thought the Post’s COVID related articles were made available to everyone for free. I did too.
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AmeliaBloomer
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Jul 30, 2021 23:02:42 GMT
Bold mine. Interesting. I might be imagining this but I thought I had read about viral load also being related to how sick you get. Since we’re consistently hearing that vaccinated people suffer less (and see that play out on the US map), I’m going to infer that viral load does NOT drive severity. It’s unfortunate that a few months ago the CDC director announced-and-then-retracted the claim that vaccinated people don’t-or-rarely transmit. My experience is some people doggedly cling to that claim.
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Post by dewryce on Jul 30, 2021 23:30:27 GMT
Yeah AmeliaBloomer , I have a problem with quite a bit of the CDC’s messaging. In this particular case I think they said that before they had enough data, before anyone really had enough data, and based it on previous iterations of COVID19. But we knew then Delta was much more aggressive and acting differently than the others so I think the statement was, at best, ill-advised. I thought the same thing about the viral load, I’ll have to see if I can work out where I might have read that. Let’s hope we’re both misremembering! Eta: I remember reading numbers from the UK where they had more vaccinated and partially vaccinated die from Delta than unvaccinated. But I believe that wasn’t unexpected as the people who were vaccinated and still got it had underlying conditions and were all over 50. The unvaccinated were a younger group.
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Post by peaname on Jul 30, 2021 23:48:24 GMT
I have three kids and by 14 they would all understand you making a decision in the best interest of your health. By that age they’d be disappointed no doubt but with the way things have gone have had many things cancelled and have become more resilient because of it.
When my middle son was exposed at school last fall he wore a mask at home unless in his own room and ate in another room during his two week quarantine. Would you consider that?
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Post by littlemama on Jul 31, 2021 13:42:38 GMT
A 14 year old is old enough to understand if you do need to postpone. Make the best decision, taking everyone's health into consideration.
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Post by moretimeplease on Jul 31, 2021 14:26:57 GMT
The CDC has a document now that suggests it’s as easy to spread as chick pox, and has an R0 of 8 or 9. And that the vaccinated carry just as much viral load and spread it just as easily. Most vaccinated people will have a mild case. Of those that don’t I saw in another article that about half of those (44% IIRC) that don’t are immunocompromised. Just some information to have at hand when you talk to her. Let me go find the article and link it for you.(eta: Here you go.) If she comes, I think having a test before she goes home is a good idea, as is having one before she comes. And y’all need to mask everywhere indoors unless you live in an area that’s not having big issues. This reporting in the media is causing a lot of confusion and worry, and can be misleading. Yes, the ease of transmissibility is very high, even for vaccinated individuals *with breakthrough COVID* to pass it to others. However the CDC document is not indicating that it’s easy (or even likely) for vaccinated individuals to catch COVID. Since everyone is vaccinated, your risk is still very low. Just mask up, avoid big crowds, and use lots of hand sanitizer. For peace of mind, get a PCR COVID test before sending her home.
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Post by arizonastamplover on Aug 1, 2021 19:18:54 GMT
You know your family best, but I don't think you can cancel this trip without hurting your niece's feelings. To be perfectly frank, it sounds to me like your husband is looking for an excuse to cancel the trip. It does sound like a long visit. Was he completely on board when it was being planned? Have you talked to your doctor about the risk of having your fully vaccinated niece visit you? I would start there. Perhaps you could call your niece and explain that if she comes now, you'll pretty much be staying home due to covid, whereas if she waits until the numbers are down, you'll do a lot more sightseeing, shopping and eating out. So much advice on here. Thanks for this. My husband did talk to his doctor about it, whom we really trust to give us good guidance. We had delayed this from last year, and we weren't even going to do it this year, but then my husband is the one who offered that she could come. He really was looking forward to it, but he has been very careful ever since the start of COVID. We've ben cooking for the past 17 months, and haven't eatten out once...LOL.
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Post by arizonastamplover on Aug 1, 2021 19:25:24 GMT
Thanks everyone for the great advice and opinions. I didn't want to start a huge COVID debate on this forum (and how we have handled it), so the advice is appreciated. I got to the root of why my husband was suddenly wanting to turn the trip off - there are people coming to his work sick with COVID and not taking leave. He was not happy (to say the least), so it went down the path of hunker down again.
Anyways, my niece is coming out. We have cancelled our mini trip to stay with my husbands parents in Phoenix. We are all vaccinated, but he doesn't want to take the chance, which I respect. We will go out and do my nieces school shopping here, but wearing masks (which I do anyways still). We weren't planning on eating out. We are big on being outdoors, so many of the things we were going to do will still be ok. I had to cancel a few things, but we really hadn't mentioned any specifics to my niece in case something changed.
Doctor did recommend that we not be in areas of large crowds and always wear a mask. He understands my husbands past medical history (and therefore how he thinks about these things), so that helped the situation as well.
My niece is big on wearing a mask in public groupings anyways, and has stated that she may not even feel comfortable removing her mask on the airplane to eat.
This was a tough one to work through, but your posts did help, so thank you!!!
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Post by scrapmaven on Aug 1, 2021 23:15:56 GMT
My dh was hospitalized last week (not COVID related) and the nurses talked about all of the breakthrough cases in the hospital. I'm high risk and we're approaching things from a very over-cautious perspective. However, if everyone was normal risk and vaccinated I would consider the visit. I wear my mask both in/outdoors all the time and I don't go into crowds ever. YMMV. I saw that she's coming out, so just be cautious, but you can still have fun. Plan things around less busy times, etc. Enjoy your visit.
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