mimix3
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Post by mimix3 on Jul 30, 2021 13:39:48 GMT
I am in one of those states that has high COVID cases and low vac. rate because....well because politics.... Any who what do you think the odds are that the US shuts down again?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2021 13:44:36 GMT
I would say below 50%. I don't see the entire US shutting down because of politics. I could see blue states being even more cautious.
But I think with more demands of vaccinations to do xyz and masks indoors will (hopefully) help.
We are at the point where we either get 80% vaccinated or we continue to watch this thing mutate to the point where our vaccines don't even work at keeping the case mild.
BUT if we have to, then so be it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2021 13:45:27 GMT
I honestly think school reopening is going to be the biggest test for Ca.
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Just T
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Post by Just T on Jul 30, 2021 13:45:36 GMT
I am in a state with high rates of Covid and low rates of vaccinations, and NO, we will not shut down. We barely did in March of 2020 as we have a very hands off governor who never even issued a mask mandate in the spring of 2020. My county never did either, and no way will we shut down anything, unless private businesses decide to do so. St. Louis county issued a mask mandate this week and people are losing their damn minds, and our state's attorney general filed a lawsuit to stop it.
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Post by Loydene on Jul 30, 2021 13:45:53 GMT
I'm afraid that the politics of the matter won't permit either a shut down or mandated vaccines. I expect the "leaders" will just stumble and mumble and hope something turns around - continuously failing to recognize that this VIRUS just wants to reproduce. And it will reproduce -- very possibly mutating into a really deadly variation that doesn't work off a "spike protein" and one that will mean the current vaccines don't work. With all the available "fresh meat" - otherwise known as the unvaccinated -- the VIRUS has plenty of fuel to work with and will mutate again and again before it eats through that population -- learning as it reproduces.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Jul 30, 2021 14:10:07 GMT
I doubt very much that even the more Democratic leaning areas won’t totally shut down like they did last time. I think it was a huge mistake to relax the masking and distancing protocols when we did here in MN, before the majority of the school kids could get vaccinated. It’s a pretty common sight to see whole families of unmasked people out and about shopping now when you KNOW none of the younger kids are vaccinated, and that makes me wonder if the adults they’re with are. I’d say for every elementary school aged kid I see with a mask on indoors there are easily 3-4 more who don’t have one on, and these are the same kids who are all participating in youth sports, summer camp and other group activities.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Jul 30, 2021 14:14:50 GMT
We're right in the middle of trying to guess this relating to our kids decision about college. My daughter is adamant that she's not going back if classes aren't in person, I'm terrified that we're going to send her and a few weeks later the state is going to shut down and classes will to remote.
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Post by Really Red on Jul 30, 2021 14:26:01 GMT
Very, very, VERY low.
Promising news these days re Delta. UK and India cases are down. Not down a little. Stunningly down. No one understands why. I read an excellent NYT article this morning about how little we know. We keep expecting the virus to act one way and it doesn't. The article is behind a paywall, but if you have the NYT, I'd encourage you to read it. It's very interesting.
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Post by Skellinton on Jul 30, 2021 14:43:29 GMT
I say zero chance of another shut down, eve one like our pretend shut down we had. Our “shutdown” was nothing like other countries imposed and was not a true shut down by any stretch of the imagination. I doubt mask mandates will even be enforced in most places, although I am glad to be an Oregwashingtonian (Oregon/washington resident) as our states have both said schools will have mask mandates.
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Post by freecharlie on Jul 30, 2021 14:43:57 GMT
No way. I can see them limiting things, but the US feels the lockdowns didn't work.
I think now we are just going to move on and hope.
IF schools become hot spots and STUDENTS start getting sick, you MIGHT see schools online, but don't see them closing other things.
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Post by gar on Jul 30, 2021 14:55:05 GMT
UK and India cases are down. Not down a little. Stunningly down. No one understands why. Well, no one knows for certain yet but there are pointers. We had the Euros (football) and thousands of people were permitted (with neg tests etc) to crowd into football stadiums/travel to watch. With the possibility of some cases slipping through the net and then spreading among those people, there was probably a spike connected to that which has now passed. Children are not at school (summer holidays) and therefore probably not transmitting the virus so much. But on the other side, we're only 10 days post the relaxation of pretty much all rules and cases have gone up again in the last 2 days so we could be seeing the effects of less social distancing, less mask wearing etc. It's really too early to say why we've had the huge numbers drop yet and whether it'll continue or not.
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Post by wellway on Jul 30, 2021 14:56:33 GMT
Very, very, VERY low. Promising news these days re Delta. UK and India cases are down. Not down a little. Stunningly down. No one understands why. I read an excellent NYT article this morning about how little we know. We keep expecting the virus to act one way and it doesn't. The article is behind a paywall, but if you have the NYT, I'd encourage you to read it. It's very interesting. I don't have a sub to NYT but I'm surprised they are saying the UK cases are stunningly down, they are falling but e.g. my area had got down to 10 or 12 cases per 100,000 a few months back, it now stands between 200- 400 cases per 100,000. And this is with high rates of vaccination. 90% of the adult population have had one dose and 71% have had two. This BBC link has a lot of info, graphs maps etc on cases, infection rates, hospitalizations etc. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51768274
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Post by wellway on Jul 30, 2021 15:01:28 GMT
UK and India cases are down. Not down a little. Stunningly down. No one understands why. Well, no one knows for certain yet but there are pointers. We had the Euros (football) and thousands of people were permitted (with neg tests etc) to crowd into football stadiums/travel to watch. With the possibility of some cases slipping through the net and then spreading among those people, there was probably a spike connected to that which has now passed. Children are not at school (summer holidays) and therefore probably not transmitting the virus so much. But on the other side, we're only 10 days post the relaxation of pretty much all rules and cases have gone up again in the last 2 days so we could be seeing the effects of less social distancing, less mask wearing etc. It's really too early to say why we've had the huge numbers drop yet and whether it'll continue or not. Saw a headline, (but didn't read the story) quoting Piers Morgan saying he caught Covid at the Euros.
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Post by tracylynn on Jul 30, 2021 15:01:33 GMT
The US is so far behind the UK and India on the Delta Variant though. It could be weeks and weeks before this thing starts to "slow down".
I don't think there will be shut downs.
I think some States, blue States, will enact certain rules. Like Washington did with schools and masking this week.
I think the biggest driving force will be Businesses. What are they going to do. Facebook, Google and Netflix are requiring vaccinations to return to the office it looks like. I'm fairly certain my company is going to as well. I'm fine with all that. Let them take the lead now and force the issue of vaccination.
We'll get where we need to be eventually. I just can't believe that as so many countries are struggling with NEED for the vaccination, so many American's are snubbing their nose. We really are a country of entitled assholes, aren't we?
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Post by gar on Jul 30, 2021 15:03:21 GMT
I'm surprised they are saying the UK cases are stunningly down, The number of cases fell 33% in the last week - that's a great number, although of course, it's not the whole picture.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Jul 30, 2021 15:33:32 GMT
St. Louis county issued a mask mandate this week and people are losing their damn minds, and our state's attorney general filed a lawsuit to stop it. the council overturned the mask mandate, 5-2... I heard the County Health Commissioner on Chris Hayes last night, talking about the heckling and racial slurs hurled at him while he was presenting at the meeting (and some of the interruptions came from council members themselves-- the guy who brandished the gun at the protestors is on the council now, apparently). People have truly lost their da#n minds, and forgotten that we are supposed to be a civilized society. eta: and no, I don't believe we will have any more shutdowns in the US-- I like the phrase 'pretend' shutdowns, because that is TRULY what they were. I think the only thing that will have a snowball's chance of working is companies pushing / mandating vaccines (or else have restrictions and/or extra testing), like the NFL is doing for their players and the President announced for all Federal workers.
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Post by longtimenopea on Jul 30, 2021 15:36:40 GMT
Low I think. I think the shutdown made a lot of sense in the early days when we had no vaccine and no treatment and hospitals were overwhelmed. I think localities and states should start mitigating where they need to now.
We went back to school in a hybrid model in the spring and the numbers actually got better during that time, because we were actively vaccinating and the mask mandate was still in place. The mask mandate being lifted and the delta variant has set us back a lot right now though.
I predict some rough months to come in “hot spots” and a booster shot campaign by year’s end. But I predict things generally stay open.
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Post by myshelly on Jul 30, 2021 15:36:47 GMT
I don’t understand when people say “US shutdown.”
You realize every state and sometimes every county did its own thing, right?
Some never shut down.
Some said they shut down but so little was closed it didn’t look or feel like a shut down.
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Post by naby64 on Jul 30, 2021 15:41:01 GMT
No, there will be no shutdown. I think some blue states will try and enact some more masking mandates but in my neck of the woods, just won't happen.
Heck, my governor enacted a Public Health Emergency yesterday but went on to state there will be NO MASK MANDATES, nothing will change. So in fact, nothing will change. I will continue to get notice day by day of more friends being in the hospital with this.
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Post by monklady123 on Jul 30, 2021 15:44:24 GMT
Well....since the USA never shut down entirely the first time around, no I don't think we'll do it again.
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Post by gar on Jul 30, 2021 15:58:58 GMT
I suspect we (in the UK) will have some form of restrictions again come autumn/winter. I don't know that they'll ever go for the full lockdown again - I just don't think there'd be the compliance again - but when we're all back indoors again, flu cases begin etc, I wouldn't be surprised.
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Post by kibblesandbits on Jul 30, 2021 15:59:33 GMT
You mean like the "shutdown" we had where all the big retailers got to stay open and make a billion while the little retailers, restaurants, and hotel/travel industry got to lose a billion?
Let's hope not.
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Post by gar on Jul 30, 2021 16:01:22 GMT
I don’t understand when people say “US shutdown.” You realize every state and sometimes every county did its own thing, right? Some never shut down. Some said they shut down but so little was closed it didn’t look or feel like a shut down. Figure of speech I assume.
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Post by tuva42 on Jul 30, 2021 16:18:53 GMT
I do not think most states will mandate that businesses shut down or go back to carry out for restaurants. I don't think most will enact mask mandates. And because of that people will die. I hold the willfully unvaccinated responsible for this.
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Post by mollycoddle on Jul 30, 2021 16:24:53 GMT
I don’t think that there will be any sort of general shutdown. What might happen is that more and more businesses in *some* states will require masks and/or proof of vaccination. It’s happening in some areas already. But who knows?
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Post by amom23 on Jul 30, 2021 16:28:41 GMT
Not a chance my state will shut down or even issue another mask mandate. It's better to just live in a fantasy world where everything is rainbows and butterflies.
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Post by christine58 on Jul 30, 2021 16:37:22 GMT
I am in one of those states that has high COVID cases and low vac. rate because....well because politics.... Any who what do you think the odds are that the US shuts down again? 0% I just don't see it happening. I think states will implement things but nationwide..no
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Post by sleepingbooty on Jul 30, 2021 16:37:24 GMT
The US never shut down as a country from my non-US point of view. It never will. States have a significant amount of power and will follow more or less (or none at all!) restrictions and sanitary measures depending on the party in power in each state, not the actual federal government.
I'm really surprised to see some Americans worrying about this. It didn't happen in 2020, it won't happen in 2021 or 2022. It's ok, you can chill (or panic at the thought of struggling to get rid of this virus due to lack of restrictions).
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mimix3
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Post by mimix3 on Jul 30, 2021 17:46:25 GMT
I don’t understand when people say “US shutdown.” You realize every state and sometimes every county did its own thing, right? Some never shut down. Some said they shut down but so little was closed it didn’t look or feel like a shut down. Why yes, I do realize that. It was just a question of HOW FAR some states/counties would be willing to go to "slow the spread".
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Post by finaledition on Jul 30, 2021 17:57:12 GMT
Living in CA I think it will vary by county. I happened to live in a county that took very aggressive steps that exceeded CDC recommendations. And I do think any decisions will be made at the county level at least thru the recall election in September. Newsom has to walk on egg shells right now so will not make sweeping statewide mandates. Which given the vastly different vaccination rates throughout the state I think the response should be different and not a one size fits all.
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