peppermintpatty
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Post by peppermintpatty on Jul 30, 2021 18:03:50 GMT
We're right in the middle of trying to guess this relating to our kids decision about college. My daughter is adamant that she's not going back if classes aren't in person, I'm terrified that we're going to send her and a few weeks later the state is going to shut down and classes will to remote. Most colleges are mandating the vaccine for their students and staff. If you aren't vaccinated, you can only do online classes. It is possible that the kids might have to wear masks again but I highly doubt that they will go remote again. I was reading an article in the NY Times and many experts are trying to figure out why the Delta variant has petered out in places that they thought would get hammered. England is one. They were all ready for another wave and it just didn't materialize. The same thing has happened in the US. Not with the Delta variant but other variants just kind of stopped at borders. Hopefully the Delta will do the same thing here. I don't think we will see a shut down again. There is just too much pressure to keep things moving at this point.
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Post by dewryce on Jul 30, 2021 18:09:35 GMT
Very, very, VERY low. Promising news these days re Delta. UK and India cases are down. Not down a little. Stunningly down. No one understands why. I read an excellent NYT article this morning about how little we know. We keep expecting the virus to act one way and it doesn't. The article is behind a paywall, but if you have the NYT, I'd encourage you to read it. It's very interesting. I don't have a sub to NYT but I'm surprised they are saying the UK cases are stunningly down, they are falling but e.g. my area had got down to 10 or 12 cases per 100,000 a few months back, it now stands between 200- 400 cases per 100,000. And this is with high rates of vaccination. 90% of the adult population have had one dose and 71% have had two. This BBC link has a lot of info, graphs maps etc on cases, infection rates, hospitalizations etc. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51768274Ahhh look. People caring about other people. Weird. (We are at 54% for my county, and it’s ranked 21 out of 254ish counties in Texas.)
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Post by epeanymous on Jul 30, 2021 18:31:56 GMT
We're right in the middle of trying to guess this relating to our kids decision about college. My daughter is adamant that she's not going back if classes aren't in person, I'm terrified that we're going to send her and a few weeks later the state is going to shut down and classes will to remote. Most colleges are mandating the vaccine for their students and staff. If you aren't vaccinated, you can only do online classes. It is possible that the kids might have to wear masks again but I highly doubt that they will go remote again. I was reading an article in the NY Times and many experts are trying to figure out why the Delta variant has petered out in places that they thought would get hammered. England is one. They were all ready for another wave and it just didn't materialize. The same thing has happened in the US. Not with the Delta variant but other variants just kind of stopped at borders. Hopefully the Delta will do the same thing here. I don't think we will see a shut down again. There is just too much pressure to keep things moving at this point. Colleges are mandating vaccines, but they generally have medical and religious exceptions, and ours, eg, also has a *philosophical* exception, which I know we have an entire student group that plans to use. Vaccine mandates only are effective if they are mandates.
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Post by epeanymous on Jul 30, 2021 18:34:46 GMT
I don’t think that shutdowns will occur on the same level, but would not be surprised if we went back to the occupancy limits that made it difficult for many small businesses to operate. I also would not be surprised to see colleges or K-12 schools go back online.
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kibblesandbits
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Post by kibblesandbits on Jul 30, 2021 19:05:55 GMT
I do not think most states will mandate that businesses shut down or go back to carry out for restaurants. I don't think most will enact mask mandates. And because of that people will die. I hold the willfully unvaccinated responsible for this. Since even vaccinated people can transmit this disease, and the varying levels of efficacy of the various vaccinations, it's safe to say that we can no longer wholly blame the unvaccinated.
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purplebee
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Post by purplebee on Jul 30, 2021 20:28:09 GMT
No, there will be no shutdown. I think some blue states will try and enact some more masking mandates but in my neck of the woods, just won't happen. Heck, my governor enacted a Public Health Emergency yesterday but went on to state there will be NO MASK MANDATES, nothing will change. So in fact, nothing will change. I will continue to get notice day by day of more friends being in the hospital with this. Isn’t this horrible? I was screaming at the TV yesterday as he kept pontificating about “protecting the children.” You chickens**t right wing jackass, the legislature isn’t going to approve anything, why even act like you or any of the Republican idiots voting on this really care. Oh we are doing our best to ban abortions, but really don’t give two flying f**ks about the children once they exit the womb. We live in a state governed by lunatics who are doing nothing but pandering to their trump humping base. COVID is here to stay….
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casii
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Post by casii on Jul 30, 2021 20:33:53 GMT
No, there will be no shutdown. I think some blue states will try and enact some more masking mandates but in my neck of the woods, just won't happen. Heck, my governor enacted a Public Health Emergency yesterday but went on to state there will be NO MASK MANDATES, nothing will change. So in fact, nothing will change. I will continue to get notice day by day of more friends being in the hospital with this. Isn’t this horrible? I was screaming at the TV yesterday as he kept pontificating about “protecting the children.” You chickens**t right wing jackass, the legislature isn’t going to approve anything, why even act like you or any of the Republican idiots voting on this really care. Oh we are doing our best to ban abortions, but really don’t give two flying f**ks about the children once they exit the womb. We live in a state governed by lunatics who are doing nothing but pandering to their trump humping base. COVID is here to stay…. I'm so sorry. My father live in AR and refuses to get the vaccine. Says his 74 year old, chain smoking self isn't high risk. At least he acknowledges it's real and 'says' he wears a mask when in groups. My son managed a mass vaxx site. My spouse works for a health nonprofit. Neither one could make any headway with him.
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Post by dewryce on Jul 30, 2021 20:46:07 GMT
I do not think most states will mandate that businesses shut down or go back to carry out for restaurants. I don't think most will enact mask mandates. And because of that people will die. I hold the willfully unvaccinated responsible for this. Since even vaccinated people can transmit this disease, and the varying levels of efficacy of the various vaccinations, it's safe to say that we can no longer wholly blame the unvaccinated. A majority of the unvaccinated willfully go out in public without masks, without distancing, and some even heckle people who are wearing masks. A large majority of the vaccinated only took off their masks when told it was safe for them and others, and some were still wearing the masks before the announcement yesterday. Yes, the unvaccinated played a large role in where we are today. Worse, they knowingly put others at risk. So no, they don’t get any credit nor am I cutting them any slack now that we have learned after the fact that the vaccinated should have never stopped wearing their masks. And I say this, defending them, as someone who spoke out on the vaccinated needing to still wear their masks even though it wasn’t recommended or mandated. They did what they were told was the right thing to do. eta: Just using your post as a jumping off point to the garbage I KNOW we will hear from the unvaccinated side of the aisle trying to compare the two sides as if they were equal.
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SweetieBsMom
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Post by SweetieBsMom on Jul 30, 2021 20:46:19 GMT
I don't think we'll shutdown over Delta. I do think we'll end up shutting down again when we eventually get the variant that vaccines don't work against, that's super contagious, and it runs rampant thru the population. Unfortunately I think this will happen because we won't reach herd immunity. I hope I'm wrong.
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Post by epeanymous on Jul 30, 2021 21:39:07 GMT
I do not think most states will mandate that businesses shut down or go back to carry out for restaurants. I don't think most will enact mask mandates. And because of that people will die. I hold the willfully unvaccinated responsible for this. Since even vaccinated people can transmit this disease, and the varying levels of efficacy of the various vaccinations, it's safe to say that we can no longer wholly blame the unvaccinated. It's true that vaccinated people can spread COVID, but they are much much less likely to get COVID to spread in the first place, and they are doing the most effective thing they can do to avoid catching or spreading it to others; if all eligible people were vaccinated, we wouldn't be having anything that looked like the current outbreaks.
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Post by Merge on Jul 30, 2021 21:49:47 GMT
I do not think most states will mandate that businesses shut down or go back to carry out for restaurants. I don't think most will enact mask mandates. And because of that people will die. I hold the willfully unvaccinated responsible for this. Since even vaccinated people can transmit this disease, and the varying levels of efficacy of the various vaccinations, it's safe to say that we can no longer wholly blame the unvaccinated. If everyone was vaccinated, this would all be moot. The measles vaccine isn’t 100% effective, but in a place where almost everyone is vaccinated, we don’t see measles. So yeah, we can totally blame the unvaccinated. The vaccinated did their part.
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Post by Merge on Jul 30, 2021 21:50:39 GMT
To answer the OP, there’s no way Texas will shut down. We didn’t have a meaningful shutdown the first time.
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Post by dewryce on Jul 30, 2021 21:59:33 GMT
To answer the OP, there’s no way Texas will shut down. We didn’t have a meaningful shutdown the first time.I remember a couple of weeks in, DH and I drove from the SA area up to San Marcos and Austin to drop off TP, Clorox wipes, masks, hand sanitizer, etc. to some family and friends. I don’t work and had stayed completely at home so was expecting the roads to be sort of empty and everything to be a ghost town. Ha! Everyday Saturday driving up 35. I was gobsmacked.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jul 30, 2021 22:00:37 GMT
Texas deaths are now second only to California.. they have surpassed NY. Texas has now recorded 53,275 total COVID-19 deaths since the start of the pandemic, placing it only behind California, the nation's most populous state that has suffered 64,372 virus deaths. Despite the current surge in COVID-19 cases caused by the delta variant of the virus, Texas Gov. Greg Abbott has vowed to not put in any more restrictions aimed at lowering the spread of the disease. www.rawstory.com/texas-deaths/Merge
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Post by Merge on Jul 30, 2021 22:14:08 GMT
Texas deaths are now second only to California.. they have surpassed NY. Texas has now recorded 53,275 total COVID-19 deaths since the start of the pandemic, placing it only behind California, the nation's most populous state that has suffered 64,372 virus deaths. Despite the current surge in COVID-19 cases caused by the delta variant of the virus, Texas Gov. Greg Abbott has vowed to not put in any more restrictions aimed at lowering the spread of the disease. www.rawstory.com/texas-deaths/MergeOh I know. His line now is that our rising cases are the fault of undocumented immigrants at the border, not the half of Texans who have chosen not to be vaccinated. It might seem like he’s delusional, but he’s actually just spiteful. Abbott’s whole playbook is to blame as much as possible on immigrants and “godless liberals.” If he could have found a way to blame immigrant caravans and/or Joe Biden for the failure of our grid in February, he would have done it.
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Post by jennifergeorge1067 on Jul 30, 2021 22:28:21 GMT
I don't know the chanes, but I really hope not. I teach school. When the students are not with me in the room, I cannot teach them as effectively.
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Post by epeanymous on Jul 30, 2021 22:44:35 GMT
Texas deaths are now second only to California.. they have surpassed NY. Texas has now recorded 53,275 total COVID-19 deaths since the start of the pandemic, placing it only behind California, the nation's most populous state that has suffered 64,372 virus deaths. Despite the current surge in COVID-19 cases caused by the delta variant of the virus, Texas Gov. Greg Abbott has vowed to not put in any more restrictions aimed at lowering the spread of the disease. www.rawstory.com/texas-deaths/Merge Oh I know. His line now is that our rising cases are the fault of undocumented immigrants at the border, not the half of Texans who have chosen not to be vaccinated. It might seem like he’s delusional, but he’s actually just spiteful. Abbott’s whole playbook is to blame as much as possible on immigrants and “godless liberals.” If he could have found a way to blame immigrant caravans and/or Joe Biden for the failure of our grid in February, he would have done it. I'll add a scoop of "racist" when the people who you decide to literally authorize police to pull over for COVID reasons are people you think police can visually ID as "migrants."
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Post by Merge on Jul 30, 2021 23:30:15 GMT
Oh I know. His line now is that our rising cases are the fault of undocumented immigrants at the border, not the half of Texans who have chosen not to be vaccinated. It might seem like he’s delusional, but he’s actually just spiteful. Abbott’s whole playbook is to blame as much as possible on immigrants and “godless liberals.” If he could have found a way to blame immigrant caravans and/or Joe Biden for the failure of our grid in February, he would have done it. I'll add a scoop of "racist" when the people who you decide to literally authorize police to pull over for COVID reasons are people you think police can visually ID as "migrants." Right? Evil isn’t too strong a word.
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Post by whipea on Jul 31, 2021 3:22:51 GMT
In Florida, the esteemed governor announced if any county school district requires masks he will make every effort to cut their funding. He will not accept "muzzling" children.
Also, he signed an executive order that masks or vaccines cannot be mandated in the state. Some big businesses such as Walmart and Disney are ignore and fighting the mandates and requiring employees to be vaccinated and wear masks. Some municipalities are also defying this order by requiring masks in buildings.
So the answer is no.
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Post by callmenutz on Jul 31, 2021 4:01:41 GMT
I am in a state with high rates of Covid and low rates of vaccinations, and NO, we will not shut down. We barely did in March of 2020 as we have a very hands off governor who never even issued a mask mandate in the spring of 2020. My county never did either, and no way will we shut down anything, unless private businesses decide to do so. St. Louis county issued a mask mandate this week and people are losing their damn minds, and our state's attorney general filed a lawsuit to stop it. I’m your next door neighbor in St. Louis County. Pathetic, isn’t it?
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Post by mollycoddle on Jul 31, 2021 12:50:15 GMT
There is some good news this morning www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/07/30/vaccination-increases-states-delta-surges/“ More than 4.7 million newly vaccinated Americans have made similar calculations in the past two weeks, as misgivings about the shots based on ideology, apathy or fear have taken a back seat to the desire to protect themselves and their loved ones. More than 856,000 doses were administered Friday, the highest daily figure since July 3, according to The Washington Post’s vaccine tracker. This was the third week that states with the highest numbers of coronavirus cases also had the highest vaccination numbers, deputy White House press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre said at a briefing Friday.”
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FurryP
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Post by FurryP on Jul 31, 2021 18:18:13 GMT
This thread is so depressing, I just want to cry. Except maybe this one: There is some good news this morning www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/07/30/vaccination-increases-states-delta-surges/“ More than 4.7 million newly vaccinated Americans have made similar calculations in the past two weeks, as misgivings about the shots based on ideology, apathy or fear have taken a back seat to the desire to protect themselves and their loved ones. More than 856,000 doses were administered Friday, the highest daily figure since July 3, according to The Washington Post’s vaccine tracker. This was the third week that states with the highest numbers of coronavirus cases also had the highest vaccination numbers, deputy White House press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre said at a briefing Friday.” Thanks for posting that. And then there is that idiot restaurant owner in Southern Calif, open to only unvaccinated and unmasked patrons.
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Post by voltagain on Jul 31, 2021 18:31:55 GMT
My state shut down "non essential" things early in the pandemic. I think they felt at that point it could be completely stopped. But then the restrictions were loosened when it became apparent that interstate travel was still allowing the virus into the state and people were not staying home. We are at a point now where it is against the law for the state government to mandate mask wearing or vaccination to do things like attend school. Individual business can require a mask but no one is likely to get involved in enforcing it. Schools will be open in the fall without masking requirements. K-phd cannot require students to be vaccinated. we will be a state driving covid19 numbers for years to come.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Jul 31, 2021 21:08:02 GMT
Our school district just sent out an email today stating that grades K-5 will again have a 100% online only option this coming year, but families requesting it have to commit to at least the entire first semester. The older kids in middle school and high school will not have that option within the district. It just said that the district would help families to “explore their options” if they want their older kids to be 100% online. Which sucks for us because my kid is in that one year gap between being out of elementary school and being able to be vaccinated.
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Post by FLA SummerBaby on Jul 31, 2021 22:38:54 GMT
I don't think so. Unfortunately our Gov. issued a mandate late yesterday that he will pull all funding of any schools who enforce a mask mandate (literally as my DD starts back to work (teacher) on Monday and students return in a week. I work at a major university and as cautious as they were being this time last year, now it is as though nothing ever happened. No restrictions on social distancing, class sizes, mask requirements-- nothing. We are at the end of our summer term but when fall begins in a few weeks, I am VERY concerned. I started wearing my mask at work again (despite being fully vaxed) because I trust CDC recommendations and will do everything I can to avoid getting sick.
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Post by AussieMeg on Aug 1, 2021 1:59:49 GMT
I don't think so. Unfortunately our Gov. issued a mandate late yesterday that he will pull all funding of any schools who enforce a mask mandate (literally as my DD starts back to work (teacher) on Monday and students return in a week.... No restrictions on social distancing, class sizes, mask requirements-- nothing. In Florida, the esteemed governor announced if any county school district requires masks he will make every effort to cut their funding. He will not accept "muzzling" children..... Also, he signed an executive order that masks or vaccines cannot be mandated in the state. What the actual fuck, Florida! Yesterday one of our states (Queensland) went into immediate three day lockdown. As in, they stopped football matches and other sporting events halfway through, with announcements going out over loudspeakers that they are in lockdown effective immediately and to go straight home. Why? They had 7 new COVID cases yesterday. DSO just came in to tell me that Queensland had 9 new cases overnight. Then he said "Guess how many new cases they had in Florida overnight?" I said "Oh, maybe 1000?" Nope. Over 21,000. TWENTY ONE THOUSAND new cases. The most new cases since the start of this pandemic. But let's not mandate masks or close down theme parks. WTAF.
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Post by littlemama on Aug 1, 2021 2:11:48 GMT
We wont shut down again. Thanks to the mishandling of the pandemic from the beginning last year and the number of kooky nutjobs in this country, the time has passed where lockdowns will be tolerated.
At this point, the vaccine is widely available and those who are unvaccinated have been instructed to wear masks. If they choose to do neither of those things, well, 🤷🏼♀️🤷🏼♀️
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pyccku
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Post by pyccku on Aug 1, 2021 2:12:57 GMT
The school in ash fork, AZ has already shut down for a week due to a breakout.
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Post by whipea on Aug 1, 2021 2:49:36 GMT
I don't think so. Unfortunately our Gov. issued a mandate late yesterday that he will pull all funding of any schools who enforce a mask mandate (literally as my DD starts back to work (teacher) on Monday and students return in a week.... No restrictions on social distancing, class sizes, mask requirements-- nothing. In Florida, the esteemed governor announced if any county school district requires masks he will make every effort to cut their funding. He will not accept "muzzling" children..... Also, he signed an executive order that masks or vaccines cannot be mandated in the state. What the actual fuck, Florida! Yesterday one of our states (Queensland) went into immediate three day lockdown. As in, they stopped football matches and other sporting events halfway through, with announcements going out over loudspeakers that they are in lockdown effective immediately and to go straight home. Why? They had 7 new COVID cases yesterday. DSO just came in to tell me that Queensland had 9 new cases overnight. Then he said "Guess how many new cases they had in Florida overnight?" I said "Oh, maybe 1000?" Nope. Over 21,000. TWENTY ONE THOUSAND new cases. The most new cases since the start of this pandemic. But let's not mandate masks or close down theme parks. WTAF. Yup, immeasurable idiocy. I work at a private university run by trumpsters. No one, students, faculty or staff are required to be vaccinated or wear masks. Plus, they do not share the number of COVID cases on campus, it is a big secret. Apparently there is a rapidly increasing number of faculty, staff and students who have been ill or tested positive. The only time you are notified if you have been around them for more than 30 minutes and that is not consistent?!
I stay sequestered in my office, always wear a mask and flee the campus as much as possible. Also now reducing my trips to stores and will no longer eat out. But the important thing is Disney World is open so people from all over the world come here and run all over the state. This guy is going to kill us.
I really, really, really want to move to Australia.
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Post by hookturnian on Aug 1, 2021 3:17:27 GMT
I just checked the Johns Hopkins site. Was there a data dump yesterday? It's showing 194 608 cases reported yesterday. That seems really high considering it's your summer and your vax program is quite far along.
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