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Post by librarylady on Jul 31, 2021 18:13:58 GMT
I am more than annoyed with the anti vaxing community expressing anger with, "Fauci/CDC changed its mind on masks."
In the first place, this is a new virus to the entire world and daily/weekly something new is discovered about the virus and its variants. So, the medical world updates what is known and what it is believed we should do.
Secondly, the medical world has ALWAYS updated information as science learns new things.
In my 75 years on this earth, I can think of several medical things that have changed. I'll note a few and invite others to report things they know. *New born babies should have the cord stump covered for 2 weeks. Baby bands were sold. Now it its advised not to cover the area. *Women were confined to bed after giving birth for several weeks. Now getting up and walking immediately is advised. *Women were advised not to bathe while menstruating. *Babies - advice on when to introduce solid foods changes. I am not up to date on what is advised now. Surgery: Once it was advised to stay in bed until all is healed--now getting up and moving is advised.
Anyone have something to add to the list?
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Post by Basket1lady on Jul 31, 2021 18:45:48 GMT
I agree with the changing advice. It’s incredibly annoying, but it’s also necessary.
When I started babysitting in the late 70s, you put a baby to sleep on it’s stomach so that it wouldn’t choke if it vomited. Now you put a baby on its back to sleep.
When I was a kid, if a friend got chicken pox they had a party to expose friends since it’s a rough illness to get when you are older. Now there’s a vaccine for that.
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Post by Gravity on Jul 31, 2021 18:52:30 GMT
JFK’s son was born 5 1/2 weeks early and died from hyaline membrane disease. We now have the knowledge and technology to save babies born at 23 weeks gestation.
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Post by laurasw on Jul 31, 2021 18:58:45 GMT
Giving sugar water to babies.
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Post by Merge on Jul 31, 2021 19:04:40 GMT
My mother was encouraged to smoke during labor with me to ease the pain of contractions (and she had smoked all during her pregnancy too).
Breastfeeding was considered unhygienic and formula better for babies.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jul 31, 2021 19:06:11 GMT
Rubbing teething gums with whiskey or letting baby suck on whiskey soaked rag. Yuck yuck..
I was in the hospital for almost 2 weeks with a 9.12 pound baby. I wasn't allowed to ride in a car for several weeks.
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Post by gar on Jul 31, 2021 19:09:58 GMT
My Grandma was told she should take up smoking to relax while my Grandad was away in the war and she was alone with their 3 children.
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Post by KiwiJo on Jul 31, 2021 19:10:11 GMT
Two that immediately spring to mind: During the middle years of the twentieth century it was recommended to lie babies on their tummies to sleep. That then changed to their backs or sides; current advice seems to be that they should lie on their backs. Advice on the number of eggs we can safely eat without affecting our cholesterol has changed many times, from 1-3 a week, to a couple every day. Sometimes it changes depending on whether you have other conditions such as diabetes. I think we will continue to see changing or conflicting advice on this for a while yet because there still doesn’t seem to be unanimous worldwide agreement, meaning studies are still coming up with differing results. ETA: oops, I see basket1lady already mentioned babies’ sleeping position.
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Post by QueenoftheSloths on Jul 31, 2021 20:29:03 GMT
I'm fully vaccinated but I will admit I find the constantly changing guidelines confusing and frustrating. How long was the gap between "you might want to wear 2 masks" and "if you're vaccinated you dont need a mask"? A couple weeks? It was certainly less than a month. At least the examples on this thread were changes made after years of study. I get that the pandemic is a constantly evolving situation, but at this point there have been so many changes that it is hard to have faith in these recommendations. I never stopped wearing my mask because I wasn't comfortable with how fast the changes were being made and now it turns out that I was right to feel that way.
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Post by melissa on Jul 31, 2021 21:08:37 GMT
I talk about how medicine changes nearly daily at work. Residents and students are always surprised to find out that we didn’t always do things the way we do today.
We used to depend on the Friedman Curve in labor, with expectation that women would dilate 1-2 cm per hour. We are now far more patient and wait 4-6 hours to see change.
There used to be cocaine in soda!
We thought for weight loss that calories in needed to be less than calories expended without much regard for what was in those calories. It’s far more complex than that.
Mercurochrome used to found in every house for minor scrapes.
So many things!!
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jul 31, 2021 23:02:34 GMT
melissaWe also had iodine in the medicine cabinet..
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Post by rickmer on Jul 31, 2021 23:26:54 GMT
so many baby ones!! my mom kept trying to get me to add some baby cereal in a pumped bottle so newborn baby will stay full and sleep longer. my doctor advised against this - breast milk is all that is needed.
breastfeeding recommended now with bonus that it reduces risk of breast cancer, which no one ever knew.
don't give any peanut products until over a year/18 months, now recommended to introduce common allergens earlier.
the potential effects of repeated concussions on mental health and brain function.
we know better so we do better - but it is shocking how fast things change with this virus. i am now constantly skeptical of anything i hear, suspecting it will be disproved in the near future. and though me and my family are fully vaxxed, we continue to and will continue to wear masks indoors for foreseeable future.
the unfortunate part is deniers use the quickly evolving knowledge to dispute things that were "known" before as their big "A-HA - SEE!!!"... which defies logic to me but seems to make things make perfect sense to them!?
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Post by hookturnian on Aug 1, 2021 1:59:55 GMT
melissaWe also had iodine in the medicine cabinet.. This takes me back to my childhood😁 and my classmates with orange and purple spots and stripes.
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Post by mikklynn on Aug 1, 2021 12:26:11 GMT
My Grandma was told she should take up smoking to relax while my Grandad was away in the war and she was alone with their 3 children. And the Red Cross gave out cigarettes to the soldiers! People who can't understand that the virus and our understanding of it are changing They have no critical thinking skills.
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Post by RedSquirrelUK on Aug 1, 2021 12:53:43 GMT
My father was given cigarettes as part of his National Service.
MIL was told to drink stout while she was pregnant with DH, to increase her iron levels.
Gripe water contained alcohol when I was a baby. I loved it!
Thalidomide.
The recovery position has changed at least 4 times since I learned it 30+ years ago.
They are discovering new things about the virus all the time. We need to be responsive to the changes, not defensive. It is really difficult to know which are the latest and which are hoaxes though, especially if there isn't a national source of information - or trust in one.
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Post by gardengoddess on Aug 1, 2021 13:04:18 GMT
I read an interesting quote recently by the liberal economist John Maynard Keynes that also fits this scenario.
When asked to explain a change in his economic policy, Keynes responded. “When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do?”
Just because you change your mind on an issue doesn't mean it's a negative or bad thing. It means you have more information on the subject and can then use your critical thinking skills to determine whether you still hold the same position on the matter.
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Post by auntkelly on Aug 1, 2021 13:12:53 GMT
Lawyers like to tell doctors “we were writing the Magna Carta while you were treating patients with leeches.”
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Aug 1, 2021 14:18:24 GMT
I am more than annoyed with the anti vaxing community expressing anger with, "Fauci/CDC changed its mind on masks."
In the first place, this is a new virus to the entire world and daily/weekly something new is discovered about the virus and its variants. So, the medical world updates what is known and what it is believed we should do.
Secondly, the medical world has ALWAYS updated information as science learns new things.
In my 75 years on this earth, I can think of several medical things that have changed. I'll note a few and invite others to report things they know. *New born babies should have the cord stump covered for 2 weeks. Baby bands were sold. Now it its advised not to cover the area. *Women were confined to bed after giving birth for several weeks. Now getting up and walking immediately is advised. *Women were advised not to bathe while menstruating. *Babies - advice on when to introduce solid foods changes. I am not up to date on what is advised now. Surgery: Once it was advised to stay in bed until all is healed--now getting up and moving is advised.
Anyone have something to add to the list?
Majority of these Anti vaxxers are uneducated, fear mongering, ignorant idiots. Then you have the “fake” anti vaxxers who are pretending to be nurses, playing doctor and instead trying to push their MLM remedies of snake oils, vinegars, and sugar waters.
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Post by Zee on Aug 1, 2021 14:23:41 GMT
Rubbing teething gums with whiskey or letting baby suck on whiskey soaked rag. Yuck yuck.. I was in the hospital for almost 2 weeks with a 9.12 pound baby. I wasn't allowed to ride in a car for several weeks. Then how did you get home? Get to appts? Get your baby to newborn checkups? Lol never once heard of no riding in a car. What year was this? I had my 9lb baby in 1998 and they had me up almost immediately (and I fainted on the toilet!).
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Post by hookturnian on Aug 1, 2021 14:34:40 GMT
Aspirin used to be given to young children.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Aug 1, 2021 14:53:17 GMT
Rubbing teething gums with whiskey or letting baby suck on whiskey soaked rag. Yuck yuck.. I was in the hospital for almost 2 weeks with a 9.12 pound baby. I wasn't allowed to ride in a car for several weeks. Then how did you get home? Get to appts? Get your baby to newborn checkups? Lol never once heard of no riding in a car. What year was this? I had my 9lb baby in 1998 and they had me up almost immediately (and I fainted on the toilet!). I was allowed to go home in the car. Baby didn't go to appointment for weeks .. I had a six week checkup. The question was about changes over the years . And my DS also slept on his stomach.
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Post by Zee on Aug 1, 2021 15:19:30 GMT
Then how did you get home? Get to appts? Get your baby to newborn checkups? Lol never once heard of no riding in a car. What year was this? I had my 9lb baby in 1998 and they had me up almost immediately (and I fainted on the toilet!). I was allowed to go home in the car. Baby didn't go to appointment for weeks .. I had a six week checkup. The question was about changes over the years . And my DS also slept on his stomach. Yes I know what the question was. What was the rationale for not riding in a car? I've heard of no driving, though not for postpartum reasons unless you had seizures or something. I've got antique obstetrics books and even those don't say you can't ride in a car. I've genuinely never once heard of this, so I asked.
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Post by lisae on Aug 1, 2021 19:47:43 GMT
Haven't there been changes to what position babies should sleep in - on their back or on their stomachs? To prevent SIDS. I've never had a baby so I don't know.
What is considered high blood pressure seems to be a moving target.
Cancer treatment has become more personalized and targeted.
The latter is part of the 'it's so new' excuse that I don't get. How many people take cancer treatments even when there is a poor prognosis hoping to have more time for a new treatment? The new treatment likely will not have been widely tested and yet we are eager for whatever may cure us or give us more time. The side effects of such treatments are often far worse than anything the Covid vaccine has brought. I realize the circumstances are different but yet we beg medical science to provide us with treatments and when we have one right in front of us that's been used on hundreds of millions of people now, we have idiots who will latch onto any excuse not to take it.
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Post by quiltz on Aug 1, 2021 21:11:45 GMT
Cancer treatment has become more personalized and targeted. The latter is part of the 'it's so new' excuse that I don't get. How many people take cancer treatments even when there is a poor prognosis hoping to have more time for a new treatment? The new treatment likely will not have been widely tested and yet we are eager for whatever may cure us or give us more time. The side effects of such treatments are often far worse than anything the Covid vaccine has brought. I realize the circumstances are different but yet we beg medical science to provide us with treatments and when we have one right in front of us that's been used on hundreds of millions of people now, we have idiots who will latch onto any excuse not to take it. The bold part is exactly why I recently had a radical bi-lateral mastectomy with latissimus dorsi flap procedure in mid July. I have the BRACA1 breast cancer mutation. I had my hysterectomy & ovary removal many years ago, before the BRACA1 was known about. I have the really-close-exact dna mutation that my cousin had (died April 2021), my mom (died 2003), my aunt (1985) and other relatives that live in Western Canada. I am at the prime age when the cancer rears its ugly cells. I chose the surgery and am very glad that I did. They have found some suspicious cells in the breast tissue. I am healthy right now, which is why I had the surgery. I have seen family members deal/live with chemo/radiation and other treatments and they were all so very sick for so long.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Aug 1, 2021 22:07:45 GMT
quiltz (((((((((((((HUGS)))))))))))))
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Post by dewryce on Aug 1, 2021 22:20:37 GMT
I'm fully vaccinated but I will admit I find the constantly changing guidelines confusing and frustrating. How long was the gap between "you might want to wear 2 masks" and "if you're vaccinated you dont need a mask"? A couple weeks? It was certainly less than a month. At least the examples on this thread were changes made after years of study. I get that the pandemic is a constantly evolving situation, but at this point there have been so many changes that it is hard to have faith in these recommendations. I never stopped wearing my mask because I wasn't comfortable with how fast the changes were being made and now it turns out that I was right to feel that way. Yeah, with this being so new I erred on the side of caution because I believed Delta was going to change things up quite a bit and I feel they let up the mandate too early. I get why they did it, to get more people vaccinated. But I feel it was a bit misleading and it bothered me because we knew Delta was different, why not wait just a bit on our science and see how it was affecting the rest of the world that was already in the trenches? So I’m with you, I’m frustrated about the messaging. But I’m not frustrated with the changing science, and how that can change the messaging. That’s just science.
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Post by Delta Dawn on Aug 1, 2021 22:26:14 GMT
I was told not to take a bath for 6 weeks after delivering.
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Post by lisae on Aug 2, 2021 0:52:57 GMT
Cancer treatment has become more personalized and targeted. The latter is part of the 'it's so new' excuse that I don't get. How many people take cancer treatments even when there is a poor prognosis hoping to have more time for a new treatment? The new treatment likely will not have been widely tested and yet we are eager for whatever may cure us or give us more time. The side effects of such treatments are often far worse than anything the Covid vaccine has brought. I realize the circumstances are different but yet we beg medical science to provide us with treatments and when we have one right in front of us that's been used on hundreds of millions of people now, we have idiots who will latch onto any excuse not to take it. The bold part is exactly why I recently had a radical bi-lateral mastectomy with latissimus dorsi flap procedure in mid July. I have the BRACA1 breast cancer mutation. I had my hysterectomy & ovary removal many years ago, before the BRACA1 was known about. I have the really-close-exact dna mutation that my cousin had (died April 2021), my mom (died 2003), my aunt (1985) and other relatives that live in Western Canada. I am at the prime age when the cancer rears its ugly cells. I chose the surgery and am very glad that I did. They have found some suspicious cells in the breast tissue. I am healthy right now, which is why I had the surgery. I have seen family members deal/live with chemo/radiation and other treatments and they were all so very sick for so long. I'm sorry you had to go through all this. Good for you for becoming informed and taking charge of your own health. That took a lot of courage.
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