|
Post by cindyupnorth on Aug 10, 2021 20:24:28 GMT
Do you know how sick I am of hearing this? "why should people work? they are getting 300$ more a wk, they make more on unemployment and the bonus then working". First...I don't know anyone that isn't working and collecting unemployment? do you guys? and why? and 2- are people that arn't working and getting paid under minimum wage, oR minimum wage really making money getting that 300$? because I don't think that's true.
Thoughts? are you guys of sick of this as I am? am I unrealistic? out of touch?
And I know places are short staffed, I believe that, so where are the people? did they just get better jobs? move? what happened?
|
|
smartypants71
Drama Llama
Posts: 5,843
Location: Houston, TX
Jun 25, 2014 22:47:49 GMT
|
Post by smartypants71 on Aug 10, 2021 20:27:23 GMT
This is a question I have. My friend was telling me that a major hospital here where his wife works is losing nurses left and right because they are overworked. But where are they going? Wouldn't they be over-worked wherever they go given the current situation? I guess unless they leave the hospital setting altogether.
I also read articles about people leaving their jobs because they are burned out. Did they just make that much money that they no longer need to work? How are they paying their bills? I just don't get it.
|
|
dithinnc
Shy Member
Posts: 13
Oct 4, 2019 17:16:33 GMT
|
Post by dithinnc on Aug 10, 2021 20:27:59 GMT
It's a lot of things. Lack if childcare. Moved on to other jobs after they were laid off. 600K have died and many have long haul covid and can't work. But really, it's not just one thing.
|
|
tincin
Drama Llama
Posts: 5,382
Jul 25, 2014 4:55:32 GMT
|
Post by tincin on Aug 10, 2021 20:33:36 GMT
I think there are several reasons for the labor shortage. 1- During the quarantine some people realized their time was worth more than they were being paid. 2- Some people have been so nasty to “essential employees” that those same employees have decided they are being paid enough to be assaulted, spit on, and verbally abused by the customers. 3- Around 3/4 of a million people died, some of them actually held jobs. 4- long term COVID side effects are keeping more than a few people out of work. 5- Some people are quitting their jobs because they’ve reassessed their priorities and have decided to stay home. 6- There is very little company loyalty that creates a tie between the employer and the employees anymore. People go to work for the person who offers the most money and best benefits and I don’t blame them one damned bit.
|
|
|
Post by revirdsuba99 on Aug 10, 2021 20:34:57 GMT
Many have moved on to better job/better pay. Some are retraining. Some are going back to school. Some have decided they don't need the second income or may decide to work part time. Some have physically moved to other areas. And yes, as mentioned above over 600,000 people have died some are still sick..
I'm sure there are more reasons..
|
|
|
Post by Scrapper100 on Aug 10, 2021 20:36:12 GMT
Yes I am tired of hearing that to. Here minimum wage is $14 at least so that’s not the issue. Places though expect you to have several years experience for minimum wage which many don’t have. So those just starting out are having a hard time finding jobs. Restaurants are short staffed. I heard that a local restaurant had all their cooks walk out the other night leaving them in the lurch and people got improperly cooked food at a local Outback Steakhouse. Customers weren’t warned snd it didn’t come out until several people complained.
There are long waits every where right now. It seems most stores are understaffed as there are pallets of product sitting in isles vs in the back until they are ready to stock it which makes shopping difficult to.
I don’t know what is going on but hope they can hire people soon. Not sure when the extra unemployment expires but I think it is soon but I don’t really see that making a huge impact here. It does seem to be just about everywhere though. I know many people have left the food industry as there were so many closures and people couldn’t make it with just unemployment and switched careers.
|
|
|
Post by mikewozowski on Aug 10, 2021 20:37:13 GMT
how do you explain the help wanted signs in ever single place of business? before covid you could barely find a job. now a business can barely find an employee.
so, yes, i think some people are staying home until benefits stop.
|
|
|
Post by cindyupnorth on Aug 10, 2021 20:41:10 GMT
This is a question I have. My friend was telling me that a major hospital here where his wife works is losing nurses left and right because they are overworked. But where are they going? Wouldn't they be over-worked wherever they go given the current situation? I guess unless they leave the hospital setting altogether. I also read articles about people leaving their jobs because they are burned out. Did they just make that much money that they no longer need to work? How are they paying their bills? I just don't get it. We have always been short staffed with nrsg in hospital. Being a hospital nurse is hard. It's working shifts, it's holidays, it's dealing with very sick and crabby people. So when a clinic opening or surgery, or any other position besides floor nurse comes available, they leave. Doesn't matter the pay difference. If you leave your job because you are burned out though, or quit, you don't get unemployment right? so they wouldn't get that extra 300$ people claim is the ONLY reason.
|
|
|
Post by cindyupnorth on Aug 10, 2021 20:42:33 GMT
It's a lot of things. Lack if childcare. Moved on to other jobs after they were laid off. 600K have died and many have long haul covid and can't work. But really, it's not just one thing. Has child care changed? I mean, if you had child care before, don't you have it now? Out of those 600,000 that died, how many were actually working? A lot of COVID deaths were elderly, I would bet over 50%?
|
|
|
Post by cindyupnorth on Aug 10, 2021 20:46:52 GMT
how do you explain the help wanted signs in ever single place of business? before covid you could barely find a job. now a business can barely find an employee. so, yes, i think some people are staying home until benefits stop. Yes, I know! But where are these people? I know in the town I work, it's a college town, and they didn't have onsite college the last yr. So a lot of these kids that filled the fast food, restaurant, etc jobs that have a lot of the understaffing just were not here. They stayed in their home town, and maybe just stayed home and did college online, so didn't feel they needed to work?
|
|
|
Post by Scrapper100 on Aug 10, 2021 20:49:39 GMT
I forgot. I have heard that many can’t find childcare so maybe that’s an issue. Weren’t a majority of jobs lost women and I thought it was thought that they needed to take care of children doing remote schooling?
I know there are signs here everywhere but people keep posting online that they aren’t even hearing back after they apply. Then you hear the other side that says they try snd interview people snd more than half never even show or if they do and you hire that many don’t bother to show up. So who knows.
|
|
|
Post by Scrapper100 on Aug 10, 2021 20:50:45 GMT
how do you explain the help wanted signs in ever single place of business? before covid you could barely find a job. now a business can barely find an employee. so, yes, i think some people are staying home until benefits stop. Yes, I know! But where are these people? I know in the town I work, it's a college town, and they didn't have onsite college the last yr. So a lot of these kids that filled the fast food, restaurant, etc jobs that have a lot of the understaffing just were not here. They stayed in their home town, and maybe just stayed home and did college online, so didn't feel they needed to work? That could explain in some areas but not most areas.
|
|
|
Post by PolarGreen12 on Aug 10, 2021 20:53:32 GMT
That extra $300 a week was not accepted by every state. Our dickhead Governor refused it in Oklahoma, so the extra $300 that the unemployed received here ended in May. Also, unemployment is never equal to what a person made while on the job. When I was laid off last year, my unemployment was just below HALF of my salary. Without that "bonus" money I wouldn't have been able to pay all my bills every month. So the people that are saying that the unemployed are milking it and just want to lay on the couch can suck it. Because even with the bonus it's still not a livable wage.
|
|
|
Post by arielsmom on Aug 10, 2021 20:53:34 GMT
My dd took long term leave from her job, to stay home and homeschool this past year. Even if she worked, and the children did online classes, someone had to be home with them. She's not getting $300.
Within the last couple years, 6 fast food restaurants popped up close to our high school. We are a small village of 10,000 people, with several other restaurants scattered around. These recent places are open limited hours now, due to lack of workers. Could it actually be that our community can't support that many fast food places, and we are seeing the correction now?
|
|
purplebee
Drama Llama
Posts: 6,801
Jun 27, 2014 20:37:34 GMT
|
Post by purplebee on Aug 10, 2021 20:55:32 GMT
This is a question I have. My friend was telling me that a major hospital here where his wife works is losing nurses left and right because they are overworked. But where are they going? Wouldn't they be over-worked wherever they go given the current situation? I guess unless they leave the hospital setting altogether. I also read articles about people leaving their jobs because they are burned out. Did they just make that much money that they no longer need to work? How are they paying their bills? I just don't get it. We have always been short staffed with nrsg in hospital. Being a hospital nurse is hard. It's working shifts, it's holidays, it's dealing with very sick and crabby people. So when a clinic opening or surgery, or any other position besides floor nurse comes available, they leave. Doesn't matter the pay difference. If you leave your job because you are burned out though, or quit, you don't get unemployment right? so they wouldn't get that extra 300$ people claim is the ONLY reason. I heard an interview on NPR this morning with the Chancellor of the University of Arkansas for Medical Services. He was talking about the Delta COVID surge and the lack of hospital beds and staff as a result. He said that staff is exhausted, burned out, working ‘round the clock, and unlike in the initial COVID crisis, they are also ANGRY enough at the wave of primarily unvaxxed patients to say we’ve had enough, and walk off. I can certainly see their point.
|
|
caangel
Drama Llama
Posts: 5,734
Location: So Cal
Jun 26, 2014 16:42:12 GMT
|
Post by caangel on Aug 10, 2021 20:57:05 GMT
It's a lot of things. Lack if childcare. Moved on to other jobs after they were laid off. 600K have died and many have long haul covid and can't work. But really, it's not just one thing. Has child care changed? I mean, if you had child care before, don't you have it now? Out of those 600,000 that died, how many were actually working? A lot of COVID deaths were elderly, I would bet over 50%? Parents with school aged kids suddenly had them at home doing virtual school. Or maybe grandma took them after school and couldn't risk it. Some parents are choosing to keep kid in virtual school or maybe they don't have the choice.
|
|
|
Post by iamkristinl16 on Aug 10, 2021 20:57:44 GMT
I agree with those that said there are multiple factors.
The Daily podcast recently did an episode where they talked to people in the restaurant/hospitality field. They talked to several owners as well as employees that weren't going back to work yet. Prior to this episode, I didn't think the extra unemployment was that much of a factor, but after this, my thoughts have changed a little. All of the employees said that they had realized during the shutdown that they were working too hard for too little money, didn't like how they were treated, etc. They all are still receiving unemployment and don't appear to be looking for other jobs yet. I can understand changing your career path after re-evaluating your job and what it was costing you physically and emotionally. But IMO they should not be examining their next steps while receiving unemployment for months. One woman had a baby and was talking about how much daycare would cost vs what she would make at work. Uh...didn't they think of that before getting pregnant? I don't think anything changed between now and then, except that right now she is getting paid to stay home. They need to be working somewhere and then figuring out what they are going to do next. The toll that this is taking on the employers and the economy as a whole is horrible.
I am in agreement with extending the unemployment in certain situations. But, like the eviction moratorium and other types of assistance, I wish there was a better way to assess who truly needs it. IMO, if they have been offered their jobs back, the unemployment stops. That is what I thought was happening but it apparently is not.
Last week I looked at the unemployment numbers in MN in February 2020 compared to now. If what I found was correct, it was 3.2% before the pandemic and 4% now.
|
|
|
Post by cindyupnorth on Aug 10, 2021 20:59:27 GMT
That extra $300 a week was not accepted by every state. Our dickhead Governor refused it in Oklahoma, so the extra $300 that the unemployed received here ended in May. Also, unemployment is never equal to what a person made while on the job. When I was laid off last year, my unemployment was just below HALF of my salary. Without that "bonus" money I wouldn't have been able to pay all my bills every month. So the people that are saying that the unemployed are milking it and just want to lay on the couch can suck it. Because even with the bonus it's still not a livable wage. Exactly!! I have people here telling me that they made MORE then minimum wage..like 25$ an hr, were laid off, so they got paid 2/3's of their reg paycheck, plus the 300$ bonus, and were making MORE money then working. And I'm stupid if I don't believe that.
|
|
|
Post by cindyupnorth on Aug 10, 2021 21:01:32 GMT
Parents with school aged kids suddenly had them at home doing virtual school. Or maybe grandma took them after school and couldn't risk it. Some parents are choosing to keep kid in virtual school or maybe they don't have the choice. But it's summer? and what did they do with their kids before? during the summer? I totally get it about the Grandma not wanting to watch them though!
|
|
|
Post by katlady on Aug 10, 2021 21:01:39 GMT
I see many different reasons. Yes, some may be staying home because of the $300. Some may have realized they don’t need two incomes. They may have moved to places with lower cost of living, like Californians moving to Tennessee. College students staying home and not needing extra jobs. Some can’t work because of child care issues. I see help wanted signs at almost every restaurant and store around here, from mom and pop places, to big chains and big stores. Maybe people are tired of working with the public and all the headaches that come with it, especially right now.
|
|
|
Post by Merge on Aug 10, 2021 21:02:09 GMT
This is a question I have. My friend was telling me that a major hospital here where his wife works is losing nurses left and right because they are overworked. But where are they going? Wouldn't they be over-worked wherever they go given the current situation? I guess unless they leave the hospital setting altogether. I also read articles about people leaving their jobs because they are burned out. Did they just make that much money that they no longer need to work? How are they paying their bills? I just don't get it. Some people are downsizing their lifestyles to live on one partner's income. Others are dipping into savings or getting help from family while they figure out the next move. If I didn't have two kids in college and thus increased expenses, we would have downsized and I wouldn't be teaching this year.
|
|
|
Post by cindyupnorth on Aug 10, 2021 21:04:43 GMT
I am in agreement with extending the unemployment in certain situations. But, like the eviction moratorium and other types of assistance, I wish there was a better way to assess who truly needs it. IMO, if they have been offered their jobs back, the unemployment stops. That is what I thought was happening but it apparently is not. I don't have faith in our government to figure out what those "certain Situations" are. I agree with you though. OK, if you don't want to do your job anymore, then you need to be finding another one. And people home after having a baby shouldn't be getting paid unemployment! they would be home anyway, like you said.
|
|
|
Post by katlady on Aug 10, 2021 21:05:30 GMT
|
|
peabay
Prolific Pea
Posts: 9,940
Jun 25, 2014 19:50:41 GMT
|
Post by peabay on Aug 10, 2021 21:06:50 GMT
how do you explain the help wanted signs in ever single place of business? before covid you could barely find a job. now a business can barely find an employee. so, yes, i think some people are staying home until benefits stop. I only know what's going on at my job, anecdotally, but yes, there are people who have not returned because they are making more by staying home. One said she'd come back if we paid her under the table so she could keep collecting. so, while I don't think that's every case - it is where I work.
|
|
|
Post by padresfan619 on Aug 10, 2021 21:07:55 GMT
I am still technically on unemployment but I haven’t been paid anything since mid June. I still certify for benefits and I am required to look for work, but have been stuck in a pending cycle for months. Thankfully my husband and I saved for years so I could take a year long maternity leave so even if it seems like I’m being paid to stay home, that money hasn’t been coming for a long time. And it certainly isn’t anything close to what I was getting paid to work.
I think the biggest factor is that people died. Over half a million people and they had to be a big portion of the working population. Businesses have closed or changed their way of doing things - that’s why I ultimately lost my job after months of being furloughed. I worked in a public office that has closed and now does everything online, my industry is done for so now I have to pivot to a new job entirely. It was on the way but covid certainly sped it up.
|
|
|
Post by iamkristinl16 on Aug 10, 2021 21:08:17 GMT
That extra $300 a week was not accepted by every state. Our dickhead Governor refused it in Oklahoma, so the extra $300 that the unemployed received here ended in May. Also, unemployment is never equal to what a person made while on the job. When I was laid off last year, my unemployment was just below HALF of my salary. Without that "bonus" money I wouldn't have been able to pay all my bills every month. So the people that are saying that the unemployed are milking it and just want to lay on the couch can suck it. Because even with the bonus it's still not a livable wage. Exactly!! I have people here telling me that they made MORE then minimum wage..like 25$ an hr, were laid off, so they got paid 2/3's of their reg paycheck, plus the 300$ bonus, and were making MORE money then working. And I'm stupid if I don't believe that. I think I would be making more or about the same if I was getting unemployment with the $300 extra right now. At least when considering the salary from my primary job. We might also qualify for other assistance like food stamps and insurance.
|
|
|
Post by cindyupnorth on Aug 10, 2021 21:09:04 GMT
I only know what's going on at my job, anecdotally, but yes, there are people who have not returned because they are making more by staying home. One said she'd come back if we paid her under the table so she could keep collecting. so, while I don't think that's every case - it is where I work. lordy!! but do you guys get paid higher then minimum wage? pay her under the table, plus the 300$, yea, she's a real joy!
|
|
smartypants71
Drama Llama
Posts: 5,843
Location: Houston, TX
Jun 25, 2014 22:47:49 GMT
|
Post by smartypants71 on Aug 10, 2021 21:09:32 GMT
This is a question I have. My friend was telling me that a major hospital here where his wife works is losing nurses left and right because they are overworked. But where are they going? Wouldn't they be over-worked wherever they go given the current situation? I guess unless they leave the hospital setting altogether. I also read articles about people leaving their jobs because they are burned out. Did they just make that much money that they no longer need to work? How are they paying their bills? I just don't get it. Some people are downsizing their lifestyles to live on one partner's income. Others are dipping into savings or getting help from family while they figure out the next move. If I didn't have two kids in college and thus increased expenses, we would have downsized and I wouldn't be teaching this year. I feel you on that with just one with the college thing! I'm not ready to downsize just yet and instead working for an earlier retirement.
|
|
snickle
Junior Member
Posts: 65
Aug 2, 2021 0:46:18 GMT
|
Post by snickle on Aug 10, 2021 21:09:43 GMT
I am 56. I don't really wanna work anymore.
|
|
caangel
Drama Llama
Posts: 5,734
Location: So Cal
Jun 26, 2014 16:42:12 GMT
|
Post by caangel on Aug 10, 2021 21:10:22 GMT
Parents with school aged kids suddenly had them at home doing virtual school. Or maybe grandma took them after school and couldn't risk it. Some parents are choosing to keep kid in virtual school or maybe they don't have the choice. But it's summer? and what did they do with their kids before? during the summer? I totally get it about the Grandma not wanting to watch them though! I know in my area childcare places lowered their capacity and hiked up rates. Even if parents could afford it there was often not space. I'm sure for many minimum wage workers it no longer made financial sense to work and pay for childcare.
|
|